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Title: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: Russell Brown on June 14, 2017, 05:11:43 PM
I've noticed that Special hobby have announced a 1/32 Fokker D II as a forthcoming release. While it is more than welcome, I'd have thought that given Oswald Boelcke's successes with  a Fokker D III, it would be a more 'saleable' choice.
Question!
Could one produce a D III using the Taurus two row rotary, and the Aviattic E IV cowling? The two airframes seem to be otherwise identical, but I'll bet there's something that I've overlooked.

Russell Brown (A Hauptmann Boelcke fan)
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: Borsos on June 14, 2017, 05:46:41 PM
If you are a Boelke-fan, have a look at this:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=6847.0
Borsos
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: IanB on June 15, 2017, 05:53:19 AM
I don't see why not, it was basically just a bigger engine, twin guns,  and ailerons instead of wing warping.

Ian
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: Old Man on June 15, 2017, 08:04:02 AM
Chord on the DIII is a bit larger, Sir. Conversion would be tricky, I think.

I wish they would do a DII in 1/72.
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: RLWP on June 15, 2017, 08:20:02 AM
Chord on the DIII is a bit larger, Sir. Conversion would be tricky, I think.

I wish they would do a DII in 1/72.

just put it twice as far away. Then it'll be about the same size as a 1/72 one

Richard
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: coyotemagic on June 15, 2017, 10:33:53 AM
Chord on the DIII is a bit larger, Sir. Conversion would be tricky, I think.

I wish they would do a DII in 1/72.

just put it twice as far away. Then it'll be about the same size as a 1/72 one

Richard
;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: RLWP on June 15, 2017, 07:29:49 PM
I learned all my science from Father Ted

Richard
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: Old Man on June 16, 2017, 01:07:09 AM

I wish they would do a DII in 1/72.

just put it twice as far away. Then it'll be about the same size as a 1/72 one

Richard

Well played, Sir.  My heartiest golf-clap....
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on June 16, 2017, 03:09:22 AM
I know brad Cancun did a very nice conversion of the special hobby 1/48 d.11 into a d.111. I don't remember if the wing chord was addressed though. It sure looked the part regardless.
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: Old Man on June 16, 2017, 06:17:18 AM
I know brad Cancun did a very nice conversion of the special hobby 1/48 d.11 into a d.111. I don't remember if the wing chord was addressed though. It sure looked the part regardless.

I am away from my Windsock 'Early Fokkers' monograph, Sir, but my trusty old Harleyford 'Fighters' lists the chord for the DII as 3'10-1/2", with the DIII (and both stationary motor types) as 4'11". For what it might be worth, their DII drawing follows the tabulation, with a chord of a bit over 16mm in 1/72, which reads similarly to the figure given. In a couple of days I will be able to take a look at the Windsock number and see what it shows.

Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on June 16, 2017, 10:34:06 AM
Thank you sir at just over a door that would definitely be noticeable difference. I will have a dig into my refs as well
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: GrahamB on June 16, 2017, 01:36:36 PM
Table 5 in the Datafile Special Fokker Fighters D.I-IV gives:

D.II  upper and lower chord 1.15m
D.III  ditto 1.25m

i.e. 10cm, or just over 3mm in 1/32 scale. A noticeable difference I would suggest.

Cheers
GrahamB
Title: Re: Question re forthcoming Special Hobby Fokker D II
Post by: Russell Brown on June 16, 2017, 04:50:08 PM
In a book called Fokker Fighters of World War 1, by Peter Grey and Ian Stair, from 1976,  the DII and DIII drawings show the same chord, about 16.5 mm each, which is 118.8 cm, or 3 ft 9 ins. I'm NOT challenging anyone else's figures, but it is interesting that what should be an easily defined/measured figure has so many variations.
One would need to know how the different artists/draftsmen came to their conclusions. Are/were there accurate original measurements available somewhere? Profiles of D II and (incorrectly labelled) D III on page 24 of Osprey Early German Aces seem to be about the same. It's an interesting little conundrum.

Cheers, Russell