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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Suffolk Lad on January 13, 2017, 07:19:07 PM
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I see Barracuda Studios have just announced two new wicker seats to fit the Camel. They look to have increased the width to the correct size compared to the previous undersized versions and as with all Barracuda offerings look absolutely superb.
Something to add to the back order for the Camel I think ;)
Tug
No connection BTW just happy :)
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An excellent product, I have already ordered two sets.
Des.
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Thanks for the heads up. Just had a look on their website but could only find new realeases for the seats in 1/48 and 1/72. Do you have a link for the new 1/32 offering by chance?
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Thanks for the heads up. Just had a look on their website but could only find new realeases for the seats in 1/48 and 1/72. Do you have a link for the new 1/32 offering by chance?
Here you go http://barracudacals.com/proddetail.php?prod=BR32234 (http://barracudacals.com/proddetail.php?prod=BR32234) http://barracudacals.com/proddetail.php?prod=BR32233 (http://barracudacals.com/proddetail.php?prod=BR32233)
HTH
H
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That's great. Many thanks
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Thanks, will order now. :D
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I had order these originally when they came out, not sure if they are the correct width or not but think I will wait to order those (with some other stuff) from him, just to be sure I don't get the old stock.
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Using Hannover's Link I can only find ones with the same Stock Number as the original ones I got several years back. Are we talking "apples and apples" or have I not located the new ones?? :-\
Cheers,
Lance
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Here is a link to the review I did on these seats some time ago when they were first released;
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=5571.0
The product number on the review items is exactly the same as the product number on the seats just recently advertised so I am presuming the seats are the same. I have used these seats in some of my scratch builds and found them to be an excellent product. I have ordered another two sets just to keep as spares.
Des.
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I seem to recall that the first issue of these seats had accidentally been moulded too narrow, and that the intention was to reissue them with the correct width. Is anyone able to confirm this?
I used one of the seats in a Bristol Fighter, and I had to cut the base out and spread the sides to fit the kit seat cushion.
Tony P
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Hi Des - you may recall that when I did my Camel build I felt that the Barracuda seats were out of scale width wise. I contacted Roy Sutherland of Barracuda -
On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 2:30 AM, Tug & Sue <[email protected]> wrote:
Hello ‘Guys’,
I have a question pertaining to the superbly detailed wicker seats you have produced.
I have purchased the small single seat package for fighters. I am just about to fit this to a Hobby Craft Camel (the model build is here should you feel you need to see - http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=6180.0 ) and whilst forming a cushion for it yesterday began to feel it looks rather under scale.
Measuring it across the open end gives a 10mm width which scaled would be 320mm just around 13”. Given the amount of clothing a pilot would wear I’m sure you would agree that this would be a bit of a squeeze.
Having used several Barracuda items in the past accuracy and detail is obviously foremost in your products so I am wondering do I actually have a 1/48 seat in a 1/32 package? as at 480mm scaled this would be a much more a likely width. Having said that however, checked against a Wingnut Wings Sopwith Snipe seat it is the same height at the centre back but much much narrower at the opening.
I should assure you, though I no longer have the package I definitely bought a ‘1/32’ package as marked.
Any help you can shed on this would be much appreciated
Kind regards
Yours – Ramon Wilson
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Hi Ramon.
Sorry for the slow response.
You are correct. I went back to the artist and asked about the sizing. He was embarrassed that he had forgotten to make the 16" dimension on the inside of the seat, instead of outside. Being wicker, the structure is about an inch thick, making the usable seat dimension too small.
We will be reprinting this seat, but its going to take 3-4 weeks to get the new seats into production. I am gone for the next week or so to a show in the UK. Then we need a few weeks to get the set into production. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Can you send me your mailing address so i can be sure to get your order shipped ASAP?
Thanks. Roy
I'm assuming - indeed hoping Des, that given that you say the number is the same, that Roy has reproduced the seats to the correct scale - even if it has taken a bit longer than three to four weeks he thought it might :D Can't think why he would announce announce it as a new moulding? We'll have to see. One thing's for certain the originals are well underscale widthwise but fine in all other directions and as you rightly say superb mouldings
Regards - Tug
PS I should point out that this concerned the single seat package - I don't know if the pack of two suffered in a similar manner though I would have thought the smaller of the two seats inside would have been the same as in the single package
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You are absolutely correct Tug, I also contacted Roy back in 2015 and voiced my concerns and received a very similar response to what you did. Even though the product number is the same the seats may be of a different size, I will check this when my seats arrive against one of the older seats I still have in my spares box.
I received an email from Barracuda Studios last week with the wicker seats being advertised, I ordered directly from the latest email so I am hoping that the seats are the newly revised editions, even though the part number is the same.
Des.
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Sound promising Des - perhaps you'd let me know when you get them, I'll get some from Hannants when they're in stock.
Tug
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The links I posted are from Barracuda's latest news email. So I assume this are a new release and probably re-sized. Just using the same reference numbers.
H
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Sound promising Des - perhaps you'd let me know when you get them, I'll get some from Hannants when they're in stock.
Tug
Hannants do have some but I'm not sure if they are new are old stock.
https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BCR32233
https://www.hannants.co.uk/product/BCR32234
One good thing about Hannants is that they let you know if you've ordered this before and I had so I dug into my haul and got BCR32234 out and measured it.
(http://i.imgur.com/jnNyYOe.jpg)
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As I said earlier I ordered two sets of the seat which were advertised in their latest email which was sent to me. I don't now why but it took them 9 days before they even posted the seats to me but on the other hand it only took four days for the seats to arrive.
I compared the seats to the old seats I already had on hand and to my surprise they are exactly the same, I measured across the seat with my digital calipers and they are 11.8mm, so it appears I have received old stock. Apart from that the seats are excellent and will enhance any model which require wicker seats.
Des.
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I suspected the new ones were not listed yet, as the Stock Numbers were unchanged when I checked the link. I still have 3 of the original seats in my spares box so I think I'll wait until this issue is resolved. I will say they are beautifully done.
Cheers,
Lance
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I'm really quite disappointed in hearing that Des as given Roy Sutherlands acceptance that they are under scale on width I would have thought that that major error would have been rectified.
If 11.8 mm is the width on the inside of the seat then that equates to just 14.9 " not exactly enough space for pilot in his U/Ps let alone some pretty thick warm clothing.
I agree they are beautifully moulded but if they ain't right then they ain't right :-\
They are easily modified though, but of course one shouldn't need to have to do that.
Tug
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I have known Roy Sutherland for years. He is an accuracy demon and a painstaking modeler. Not to mention an all around good person. I figured he wasn't privy to these posts about his seat, so I let him know the current discussion and he asked me to post this reply:
"Hi guys.
I understand there is some concern over the size of our resin wicker seats.
Please understand that we do careful research when we produce our sets and take care and pride in our work.
The width of the seat seems to be the point of contention. The inside dimension measures out to just under 15", which would be a tight squeeze for a 21st century pilot, but remember that men were much shorter and less robust back in the beginning of the 20th Century.
Add to that that all cockpit components in scale models have to be compromised dimensionally to compensate for the much thicker than full scale sidewalls. You lose about two inches in actual interior space, so something has to give.Yes, we did cheat in the width a bit to maintain the proper relationship to the cockpit. Remember this seat is designed to go in more than one kit and aircraft type.
Its maybe an inch or so too narrow, but its not through lack of research or carelessness. Its just a design compromise. The seats that were too narrow and reworked were the other wicker seats with the solid backs. The AGS seats you purchased have not changed.
I apologize to Tug for the long turnaround with your order. Our production casting guy is no longer with us, so I have been doing double duty. On top of that, Shelly, who handles all the books, packaging and shipping was down for 9 days with a bad flu.
Its been a rough month for us, but we are mostly caught up now. Also, please remember that we are a manufacturer who also sells direct. We are not a dedicated mail order house. Sometimes it takes a few days to turn around orders, a week or more if we get really busy like during a sale. We do no claim to do one day shipping, but it does happen quite a bit.
Wishing you all a canvas and wire filled 2017!
Happy modelling! Roy Sutherland "
I suggest if there are further questions or concerns that you contact Roy directly at Barracuda Studios.
Regards,
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Hi Eindecker,
Just to be clear - in no way was I intending any disrespect to Roy or Barracuda products in anyway whatsoever. Indeed I have recently purchased wheels for a future project because of their detail and superb quality above others available.
This was, and is, as a direct response from Roy to me with regards to the under scaling of the seat width. (See text in brown, reply #10 this thread) His current reply appears however to be somewhat contradictory to that where he originally accepts the seat is under scale due to an oversight on part of the sculptor.
I'm afraid I don't share his views in his current assessment of the seat. Place it next to that of the WnW Snipe it's narrowness becomes immediately apparent (which is how I discovered the anomaly in the first place). When I first placed it in my (Hobbycraft) Camel the lack of width became immediately apparent and appeared so narrow to the extent that I thought I may have had a 1/48 version. Modifying it proved simple and is not difficult but having said he was going to re print it I naturally assumed the width was going to be corrected
Roy has no need to apologise either - whilst he offered a replacement in the first instance I did not feel that was necessary and emailed to that effect. I also spoke to him a few days later over the matter at the show he is referring to (Telford 2015)
I will email him direct to ensure he is not under any illusion that I am an unsatisfied customer - I'm certainly not that.
Regards - Tug
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Just thought I'd post that I sent an email to Roy regarding the flash on my seats.
I found it hard to remove without damaging the fine detail (for me at least). I wasn't asking for anything, just wondering whether it would be possible to get a set without the flash. Shelly sent me another set free of charge (having searched through their stock for the best example she could find).
They arrived yesterday and are perfect!
Very good customer service...
Guy
Ps they do seem to be identical in respects of size though