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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: PrzemoL on January 05, 2017, 09:57:42 AM
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My newest subject is the SE.5a. I plan to build one of two examples which came to Poland for testing together with two RRFalcon powered Bristol Fighters in early 1920. After the presentation, when one was lost due to an accident, the other one remained disassembled until summer 1920 when facing the dramatic outcome of the Polish-Soviet war every aircraft counted. So Poland bought the second SE.5a from Handley Page who was its rigthful owner and immediately dispatched it to 7. Kościuszko Squadron. Unfortunately this aircraft was lost in its first mission with pilot Cpt. Ciecierski captured (he later escaped). The aircraft was photographed in Hołoby just before that fatal mission.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-30.jpg)
There are some question marks related to it. A serious one regards its engine. The propeller suggests the direct drive. And I tend to see the Viper style radiator over there, but it is by no means certain. Anyway, I decided to build a WNW model with the Viper engine. I was lucky to swap WNW radiator, propeller, engine and cowlings for Roden Viper counterparts - thanks to you, Rysiu!
I may still regret this move, but this is my final decision. The first problem occured when test fitting the radiator to the chin cowl - Roden part is too broad by over 1 mm. So I cut it into three parts, sanded the sides of middle slice and glued them back together. Now the breadth is fine to fit WNW fuselage.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-35.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-36.jpg)
Building this kit is quite an experience and a proof of WNW progress during the years for someone like me, more accustomed to newer WNW kits. The cockpit bits require much more amendments than usually to make the build better resembling what is presented in the photos in the WNW instruction.
I have shaved the raised imitation of fuel switch on the instrument panel and made mine from bits of plastic and wire. Also the side panel with two switches was cut off, the switches made from plastic and PE bits and it will be reattached to the side board in the correct place, more to the front. Finally, the completely forgotten magneto starter was built from plastic bits and will be added just at the pilot's right elbow on the side board.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-31.jpg)
Another photo in the WNW instruction shows a quite evident radiator shutter lever on the port side of the top cockpit cowl - this fogotten element was built from a few bits of plastic and the cables will be added later.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-32.jpg)
Some holes were drilled under the pilot seat for all the control cables from the stick and the bar. Also the horn for aileron control has some holes drilled.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-33.jpg)
My SE.5a had no Lewis gun on the Foster mount, so surely the spare drum boxes were empty. WNW provides a choice for the one mounted on the instrument panel, but the second one on the cockpit floor comes only with the drum moulded together. So I had to build an empty box - faces from the WNW element and a few pieces of a plastic profile were used.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-34.jpg)
Finally, I have shaved all the simplified imitation of internal bracing, drilled the holes for eyelets and will redo the rigging after the interior is airbrushed.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-37.jpg)
TBC...
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What a great start Przemol, the modifications you have made to the radiator are excellent also the improvements to the cockpit area, you have done a brilliant job so far and this will be a build I will be following.
Des.
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Only your first post on this build and already I have learnt so much!
Terrific modification work Prze.
Eagerly awaiting the next installment.
cheers :)
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Thank you for the background information on this aircraft. Looking forward to your progress.
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nice, great to see this kit kit get your treatment
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Only your first post on this build and already I have learnt so much!
Terrific modification work Prze.
Eagerly awaiting the next installment.
cheers :)
Prze,
I'm with Boggie, this is already an education on one of my favorite aircraft and I'll be following with great interest!
Cheers,
Lance
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Very adjucating, what you show here. Thank you for showing your clever modifications and additions on this project.
Manni
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Can't wait Prze...
Guy
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Looking forward to seeing your magic on this one, PrzemoL ;)
vB
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What a great start Przemol, the modifications you have made to the radiator are excellent also the improvements to the cockpit area, you have done a brilliant job so far and this will be a build I will be following.
Des.
I agree with Des on this one! I also will be following with great interest. Too late for my current build but what I learn from you, and have learned from Tugs build, will certainly help my next one ;)
RAGIII
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Looks good so far! I'm also following with interest, especially the mating of the Roden Viper parts :) (I've asked WnW once about a Viper version but Richard indicated they had no plans to do one as of yet)
jeroen
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Amazing research, and great modifications to your kit. True modelling as it should be ;)
Cheers,
Gary
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What can I add? Terrific start and I will be following along in future too.
Stephen.
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Great stuff. Having just cobbled together a Roden Viper SE this is highly instructive.
Looking forward to your further posts!
Mark
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It`s an another masterpiece in the making Przemo!
I`ll be following this one, since I really feel like building the SE.5a and as your fan I simply cannot miss it.
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Yes, as others said, looking forward to more updates!
Steve
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Thanks, everybody for your kind words.
The interior bits are now ready for the assembly. Besides the earlier shown mods I have also added two pulleys for the aileron cables and run the elevator, rudder and tailskid controls. And the seatbelts are from HGW.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-38.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-39.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-40.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-41.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-42.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-45.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-43.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-44.jpg)
Because of the cockpit breakdown with rudder bar sitting on a separate lower wing centre piece, the only way to tension the rudder cables is to run them along the entire fuselage to the openings at the tail. I realised it late and had to lengthen them using tube bits. Now the cables are led through their holes and the assembly of the fuselage can start. And the loosely flinging rudder bar will be attached to its socket some time later, when the lower wing jumps in.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-46.jpg)
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Nice to see yours next airplane with white and red checkers.
With great interest I will be watching how is created another masterpiece.
Adam.
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Coming along very well so far Prze . Nice details on the control lines running off the column .
Terri
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Extremely well done control rigging. Adding the pulleys was brilliant work!
RAGIII
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As usual no detail is too small to miss your eyes. Brilliant work.
Stephen.
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Fantastic work on all the colors & textures! A pleasure to see.
Steve
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Cheers, gals and guys.
Some more progress on the assembly. Fuse halves together and the lower wing on, which allowed to mount the rudder bar.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-47.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-48.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-49.jpg)
And with the cockpit top decking, which will indeed, as some of you reported, require some filling along the seams. Pressing it home together with the ammo boxes attached and the cables for throttle control passing through the hole in the side shelf and going somewhere to the engine required some tweaking but was successful.
Now not much can be seen fromthe cockpit in photos, one has really to look into the openings.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-50.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-51.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-52.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-53.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-54.jpg)
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Looking really sharp, love what you have accomplished so far.
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gorgeous se5a przemol.
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Another Masterpiece in the making !!!
Ed
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Another Masterpiece in the making !!!
Ed
I agree with Ed!
RAGIII
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Your work is so crisp and clean even under the microscope. Amazing! Will be following.
Best regards
Alistair
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She is truly looking beautiful.
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Crisp, clean and perfect as always Przemo!
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Thank you, everybody.
Winter holidays and impatient wait for the decals ordered again at Melius Manu have slowed down the progress on this build. But before going to lovely Madeira Island and just after return I managed to go as far as possible without the markings decals applied. Paint, shading, wash, some basic rigging (u/c and tail minus rudder) brought me to this stage.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-55.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-56.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-57.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-58.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-59.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-60.jpg)
The upper wing put on cabane struts only for show
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-61.jpg)
And main struts and propeller (this from Roden kit) basically ready
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-62.jpg)
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Stunning paint work on the fuselage and wings as always ! The struts and prop look terrific!
RAGIII
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Stunning paint work on the fuselage and wings as always ! The struts and prop look terrific!
RAGIII
Cannot agree more, GORGEOUS!!!!!
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Very impressive update Prze, just beautiful work thus far! The overall improvements to the interior and remarkably finished basic components are a compliment to your modeling skills, your work never fails to impress!
Cheers,
Lance
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Loving the subtle color variations!!
Steve
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Loving the subtle color variations!!
Steve
Big Big Ditto !!!!
Ed
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Thank you for the kind words.
Well, the wait for the decals goes on. So I completed the work under the centrewing including an unusual layout of the Aldis(?) sight (visible in the archive photo). And then started working on Roden's Viper. The main body is similarly arranged as in WNW's Hisso but the intake manifold with carbs and air filter consist of 9 elements instead of one. Also magnetos have to be assembled - each from 4 bits plus added 8 electric wires apiece.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-63.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-64.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-65.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-66.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-67.jpg)
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Great updates! Thanks for posting. Love what you've done so far.
Cheers,
Gary
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Outstanding update! Your Viper is coming along nicely!
RAGIII
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~~following silently and enjoying~~
:)
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Thanks, Gary, Rick and Jeroen.
The work on Viper goes on. The cables connected, the pipes attached, when the glue sets I will try to squeeze it all into the nose, but I expect some problems with space, the plumbing from Roden may not fit into the WNW framing. But for a moment I leave it and enjoy the sight. :-) And yes, there is a breather still missing, just realized it.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-68.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-69.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-70.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-71.jpg)
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Superb work on the engine, your ignition wiring looks excellent.
Des.
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Your Engine is as awesome as the rest of the build! Hoping it all fits in so you do not lose any of that great detail!
RAGIII
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That engine looks outstanding (along with the rest of the build). :D
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Lovely job n the wiring Prze,
And I love the faded PC10.
Guy
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Thank you everybody for watching and kindly commenting.
I have prepared the "nest" for Viper - two cabane lines had to be tied and two oil pipes from the oil tank added - they will be barly visible later but who cares...
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-72.jpg)
The exhausts required a surgery - the first and fourth inlets had to be gently cut out and moved off the internal second and third ones - the spacing of holes in Roden's Viper cylinder blocks was not the same as in WNW Hisso. There is still some cleaning of the filler CA glue necessary there as can be seen in the photos. They were put into place temporarily to help in positioning of the engine.
Viper itself got the last missing bits from Roden's box and some grime not too look too fresh in 1920
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-73.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-74.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-75.jpg)
And then luckily it jumped into its place without any collision!
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-76.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-77.jpg)
And with the freshly painted radiator put on to get some taste how it will look like later.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-78.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-79.jpg)
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Fantastic.
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Wow! How did I ever miss this beauty, my friend! Classic Przemo modeling magic! I will be very attentive from now on.
Cheers,
Bud
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Beautiful done. Outstanding is your type of standard.
Manni
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Outstanding marriage between WNW and Roden. Looks fantastic. :D
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I can't add anything that isn't said yet. Just wonderful!!!
Borsos
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I quote our friend Borsos, I will be following with great pleasure!
Antonio
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Superb modeling, PrzemoL ;)
vB
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The engine certainly turned out beautifully as expected! I ran in to the same issue as you while trying to fit the short exhaust from the Encore kit to the Hisso Engine on my SE5a. In the end I ordered the Encore McCudden conversion for the WNW kit and they actually changed the pipes to fit.
RAGIII
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Wonderful (as usual) progress !!
Ed
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Missed this for a while…. and now wish that I had not! Wonderful work - as always from your bench. Great marriage of the engine to the WNW kit.
Stephen.
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Amazing and lovely work, Przemo! Stunning detail, fantastic neat work and amazing paintwork! A great thread to follow! Regards, Marc
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Many thanks, everybody, for your kind words.
The work on SE.5a has stopped. I still have to wait for the decals. I have done everything I could before decalling, the radiator and the propeller are fixed for good, the exhausts have been painted and put on just for these photos, they will be attached only when the cabane rigging is done. So this is how the model looks like now. And is waiting...
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-80.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-81.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-82.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-83.jpg)
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Super looking bird, cannot wait until your next post.
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A masterpiece - as usual with your models
Jörg
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Loving your faded PC10. Could I possibly enquirer how you created that colour?
Keith
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Thank you.
Keith, no secrets with the model. The basic PC10 colour I use recently is Pactra acrylic paint Polish Khaki. Then postshading along the masking tape strips on the wing ribs, also some along the panel borders on the fuselage. This done with a black paint strongly diluted with clear lacquer not to overdo the effect (hate smoke like effects). Then some wash with blacks dark greens and browns from water colours to emphasize the surface details. This wiped with water soaked brush, delicately, leaving some dirt on the paint. Then sealed with a coat of clear satin.
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Continuing to be your usual STUNNING work!
RAGIII
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Finally some progress. I have got the decals from Melius Manu, laid them, shaded, added missing wash, assembled the upper wing and started rigging. The end is looming!
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-84.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-85.jpg)
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(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-88.jpg)
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That looks absolutely terrific: can't wait to see it finished.
Stephen.
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Turning out to be quite a looker. Beautiful interpretation. :D
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You have done a superb job with this model Przemol, the painting is excellent, looking forward to seeing the rigging done.
Des.
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I agree, so nice to see this one almost ready to fly!
Steve
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Fantastic build! From the tonal diffence betrween canvas and metal to the subtle shading - really amazing!
Borsos
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Przemek what a beauty! Your model looks simply fantastic!
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Thank you!
And I have completed this model. Two photos here, more in the gallery.
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-04.jpg)
(http://www.ikb.poznan.pl/przemyslaw.litewka/modele_pliki/se5aw-13.jpg)
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Very nice build indeed! :)
Kind regards: Kent
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That is very beautiful, Przemo! A lovely build with great details and subtle weathering, just amazing! Marc.
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As always I enjoyed following your build. Absolutely stunning paint work and rigging. Beautiful markings.
RAGIII
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Thank you very much, Kent, Marc and Rick!