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Title: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on November 23, 2016, 03:15:47 AM
Hi guys,
after a long, long time, I'm back again. ;D

So, after my "maritime" phase with Pearl Harbor is finished, and the Ray / Missile-Driven Division is now ready, I thought I could return to the childhood days of the military flight. I had already started with the "Ninak", but this site is closed for the time being, because I want to start some tests on some other models, before I even use them with the Ninak (the kit is just too expensive for me to go wild To experiment). Here is a somewhat slimmed down building report on the Nieuport.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu20.jpg)

The kit is from Roden in 1/32 scale. Since relatively few components (56) are available, and the detailing is also worth improving, so the perfect model for trials. The first thing I did was the cockpit. Normally, you paint a large part of the components before the assembly, but you should cancel it for later. And for a simple reason. All parts are glued "dull", since Rodentypically hardly any travel aids (bores / pins) are present. This makes these kits for beginners not exactly "user-friendly". After the parts were dry, the scaffold was glued and painted in a light wood tone. The seat was repaired because Roden offers here only a simple seat shell, which looks more like from the 2. world war. Here I have a basket netting, which does not look quite like the original, but fully fulfills my ideas.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu21.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu4.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu5.jpg)

Furthermore, various bowden cables and tension wires were installed. Also, I've used seat belts from Eduard, since Roden does not offer (even times apprehension).
We continue with the engine. Again, there is still a lot to be improved, even if one later by the engine cover hardly sees anything.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu22.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu3.jpg)

Thus, the cooling fins were carefully recessed, second spark plugs fitted (the engine had already two spark plugs per cylinder to compensate for a failure), and the corresponding ignition cables laid. Lacquered in iron, aluminum and metalic-black.
The bonnet was completed by a rivet row.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu6.jpg)

Now I have devoted myself to the most foolish thing. The tension wires. Since the French, as well as the German aircraft, used round tension wires, it was obvious for me to make these wires myself, since I do not like the use of yarn. I made the wires from 0.03 and 0.1 mm copper wire. The sleeves are made of 1 mm brass tube.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu7.jpg [/ img][/center]Likewise, the fastening lugs on the wing struts were built.[Center][img] http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu8.jpg)

Since the transverse side and height rudders are unfortunately not available individually, these were carefully cut with a scalpel, and re-attached with pins.
Since the wing struts are indeed a very delicate matter, as far as attaching (tacking), the paint finish was finished so far. On the top of the wing, narrow strips and nails were sculptured in the area of ​​the ribs.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu17.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu9.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu11.jpg)

The cockpit, by the way, is pushed completely into the fuselage, and not as usual, glued into one of the trunk halves.
In the current state, the middle panels are glued to the fuselage and also the bracing is finished so far in this area. The tensioning ropes are turned again, this time with a diameter of 0.05mm. The sleeves are made of carbon with an inside diameter of 0.07mm. For comparison, I have placed a pin on the last photo.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu19.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu18.jpg)

That would be it for the moment. (Sorry for the translation, it's Google-Translate  :-[)

Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: coyotemagic on November 23, 2016, 04:51:57 AM
You're off to an excellent start, Jürgen!  Looking forward to following along on this one.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: lone modeller on November 23, 2016, 05:26:36 AM
Excellent start. I did not know that this was available in this scale but you are making some very good improvements: when you are finished it will look more like WNW than Roden!

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Des on November 23, 2016, 05:47:54 AM
What a great job you are doing on this model, the cockpit turned out splendid and the camo paint colours are excellent, looking forward to seeing more.

Des.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on November 23, 2016, 05:52:18 AM
Thank you!
@Stephen,
what you mean with "available in this scale", the kit or the extra parts?

Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on November 23, 2016, 06:10:45 AM
A litle note to the Nieuport kit. Roden has simple the 1/48 kit scaled up to 1/32. Also the kit is not very accurate. For example, the upper wing is nearly 3mm to short, and some parts, as the wheels (wheel blind with the hole is inside instead outside) are wrong mounted. And so on. :(
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: rhwinter on November 23, 2016, 06:21:15 AM
That looks very fine, Jürgen!
 It's such a pity: Roden offers so many very interesting types, but the lack of quality(SOMETIMES) is discouraging. Nevertheless I got me some of my favourites like the Fokker D.VI, the Siemens-Schuckert D.III and the Albatros D.I. The Nieuport 28 is one of my boyhood heroes too, but I still hesitate to buy the Roden kit...
Looking foreward to your build of the kit, Jürgrn!
Richard
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: lcarroll on November 23, 2016, 06:38:37 AM
    Great start Jurgen, and as Des has remarked as well the colours are excellent. I have built this Kit and, with a little extra care and effort, it builds into a very nice model. I didn't worry about the wing dimensions as 3mm on a model this size is not noticeable. I'll be following your Build with great interest!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Juan on November 23, 2016, 07:15:11 AM
Great start Jürgen, looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: RAGIII on November 23, 2016, 08:41:28 AM
Outstanding start on your Nieuport. As all of the others have said your colors look excellent. I too have built this kit and agree with Lance as to the results possible with a little effort. You are doing a fantastic job on yours!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Alexis on November 24, 2016, 11:37:19 AM
Wow , your moving right along on this build , looking really nice so far .




Terri
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on November 27, 2016, 01:11:11 AM
Thanks for the positive echo.
And it goes on with a small update.
The upper and lower wings are joined together. In the case of double deckers, this section is always one of the most critical moments, since the connection between the wings takes place via thin struts. It's going very fast, something's going wrong. That is why I have first only the middle struts, which come from the trunk with the upper wing glued and dry well. Only then were the four lateral struts attached. As a result, no correction is necessary any more, and everything is ready for the installation of the prepared tension wires.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu23.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu24.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu25.jpg)

Roden has unfortunately also a mistake with the wheels installed. The wheel cover with the buckle belongs to the outside of the landing gear! So I had to drill a new axle hole and close the other axle hole. Since the wheels were fastened with a hexagon nut on the axle, I made a dummy from a hexagonal profile, and glued it.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu26.jpg)

To be continued!

Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Juan on November 27, 2016, 02:06:44 AM
Nice progress, which pilot markings are you using for this aircraft?   Looking forward to your progress.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: lone modeller on November 27, 2016, 03:54:46 AM
Very impressive so far, especially that hexagon nut! Looking forward to more.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on November 27, 2016, 04:30:22 AM
Hi Juan,
It will be the number 12, flown by Lt. Edward Rickenbacker,  France, April- May 1918.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Juan on November 27, 2016, 04:59:56 AM
Sweet, I have the Super Scale sets and two of the three have misspellings on the tail fin.  Ponds s/b Poids and Combutible s/b Combustible, not too noticeable but you would think someone would have caught that.  I guess those two years of High School French so long ago did not go to waste.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: RAGIII on November 27, 2016, 05:03:28 AM
Your Nieuport is continuing to look outstanding. I did the same as you when assembling the wings by gluing the Cabanes first, then the interplane struts. Looking forward to your soon to be tightened rigging!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on November 27, 2016, 05:43:12 AM
I have a question. This hole in the wheel cover, what is it for? I didn't find any info about it.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu26a.jpg)
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: dr 1 ace on November 28, 2016, 09:52:49 AM
Your Nieuport is continuing to look outstanding. I did the same as you when assembling the wings by gluing the Cabanes first, then the interplane struts. Looking forward to your soon to be tightened rigging!
RAGIII


Dittos , looking good 1

Ed
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: mgunns on November 28, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
I have a question. This hole in the wheel cover, what is it for? I didn't find any info about it.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu26a.jpg)
It's for the inner tube valve stem.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: mgunns on November 28, 2016, 12:41:14 PM
Hello Jurgen:

As mentioned, the camouflage turned out nicely.  Normally the seat on this airplane was strips of birch (I think), however, I am sure that the wicker seat you have would have been a field expedient replacement and looks nice in the cockpit.  This is one of my favorites.  It was one of the first WWI kits in 1/32nd I built and I will be doing another.  Your build will be a reference for me.
Looking forward to your next update.

Mark
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on December 02, 2016, 04:34:47 PM
It's time for experiments! ;) :o 8)

As I had already written, the Nieuport serves me a little as a test rabbit in the tension ropes. As can be seen in the pictures in the last update, the plan was to realize all tension cables by self-twisted copper wires. But as always, plan and reality are two different things. On the basis of the quite soft plastic of the Roden kits, it has been found that the struts are bent too much when tensioned. So I decided for a mix. WNW elastic material is used for the double wires. Since these are still disguised, it is not particularly noticeable that they have no "wire character". Short info, why these double wires were disguised. The designers wanted to improve the aerodynamics and avoid a twisting of the closely juxtaposed wires.
The clamps at the cable ends were made of brass or carbon tubes.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu28.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu29.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu30.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu31.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu36.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu27.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu37.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu41.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu39.jpg)

It should have been for the moment. In the next update, you will see the clad wires, and the rest of the tension.

Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Manni on December 02, 2016, 04:41:31 PM
Hallo Jürgen,
nice to see that you are open minded for some testing. At the moment I am not so convinced with the result of the twisted copper wires, but may be they look better, when painted.
Gruß,
Manni
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on December 07, 2016, 07:58:05 PM
Hello again!
The cladding of the double tension wires is unfortunately not yet to see, since I want to try something else. But the rest of the tension is ready. As already mentioned, this model serves me as a "test rabbit" when processing different materials. The self-twisted wires have a certain charm, but even on this scale are not quite as I had hoped. In order to stretch it properly clean, a certain pull is required. And there are small problems with the connection to the plastic parts, since at least at Roden the material is quite soft. Just as the tension is now, it does not look optimal, but comes close to my ideas halfway. Nevertheless, I will swing back in the future with the old fashioned style with elastic yarn. Only with the Spad of Merit (1/24), which I have just received, I will try it because of the size probably with self-made wires. But of course this will be a new building report. Now still fast 4 pictures of the tension.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu42.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu43.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu44.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu45.jpg)

On the close-ups, of course, this looks quite crude, but in normal view, this is all right.

Have a nice day!

Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: RAGIII on December 08, 2016, 12:24:36 AM
Your rigging is looking fine to me!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: lone modeller on December 08, 2016, 04:09:37 AM
For experimental work this looks very good. It is only by trying out ideas that we will ever learn whether they can work - good for you for trying.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on December 08, 2016, 06:17:06 AM
Today I made the first decals. Excuse me, but these things are bullshit >:(. Although I have the decals with Decal Medium coated, they do not fix themselves properly, and tear quite fast.
Shit happens. :-X

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu46.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu47.jpg)

Greetings from Germany
Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Alexis on December 08, 2016, 10:31:50 AM
Up , Roden decals are crap , but you did a nice job on her though  :)




Terri
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: RAGIII on December 09, 2016, 12:39:42 AM
Looks really great to me! Your rigging is very well done and in spite of your decal issues they look terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: lcarroll on December 09, 2016, 06:36:24 AM
Jurgen,
    As I've said before elsewhere the first step I take with Roden decals is to the garbage can! They are indeed useless, I'm surprised that it appears you got them done and they look so good. Lovely Nieuport, you've done a great job on her!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on December 09, 2016, 07:04:50 AM
Thanks! ;D ;D
Today I installed the rest of the decals, and right fixed with decal-fix. For the lining of the wires I have tried wood glue on the first wire. The only important thing is to take very little glue. Then wait a little, and apply the next layer. I painted the clad wires with russian green. I think it has become quite good.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu50.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu51.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu48.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/nieu49.jpg)

Cheers,
Jürgen
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: chowhound on December 12, 2016, 03:32:38 AM
Today I show you the last pictures in "Under Construction". I have brushed the model with matt varnish, and finally the windshield glued. Do not worry, the individual wires are still tensioned. As well as the weather and therefore the light conditions are better there is a rollout of the Nieuport.

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/ni52.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/ni53.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/ni54.jpg)

(http://www.h-j-bellenbaum.de/nieu/ni55.jpg)

And that would be the next kits from my camp:

1/72
Gotha GIII from Roden

1/48
Spad S.XIII from Dragon
Spad S.XIII from Eduard
Fokker D.VII from Eduard (Spad and Fokker are from the Limited Edition: Eduart)
Albatros D.III (OFAG) from Eduard
Salmson 2A2 from Gaspatch

1/24
Spad S.XIII from Merit

Now I only have to decide with which plane it continues.
Probably with the "little" Gotha or the "great" Spad. :)
Of course, I also build the Ninak. ;)

That's all for the moment.

Cheers
Jürgen


Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: lone modeller on December 12, 2016, 04:14:05 AM
That is beautifully finished and photographed. I would be proud if that was mine.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: coyotemagic on December 12, 2016, 05:29:27 AM
She's truly lovely, Jürgen!  Excellent work all around.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: Juan on December 12, 2016, 07:06:26 AM
Great job Jurgen, she turned out quite nicely.  Congrats.
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: RAGIII on December 12, 2016, 07:44:41 AM
She's truly lovely, Jürgen!  Excellent work all around.
Cheers,
Bud

I agree with my Amigo Bud!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 28c1 (Roden 1/32) from Chowhound
Post by: jeroen_R90S on December 15, 2016, 05:08:29 AM
Nice work! If I may say so, I do see a bit of silvering here and there under the decals. Roden decals are quite notorious for this, but I've found that putting a drop of gloss varnish (Pledge, Revell Aqua, as long as it's a gloss acrylic) helps act as a glue and prevents this. Too lat for that now, but might be usefu on that Gotha! :) That's a somewhat challenging kit, but it looks fantastic when done, and is very satisfactory. Not too many people have on of those on the shelf, built, that is :)