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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Gisbod on November 13, 2016, 04:34:14 AM
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Hello all,
Having seen SteveB's amazing Albatros build, I've been tempted over to the dark side - 1/72 (also perhaps due to a lack of new Wingnuts).
As I'm not too keen on kits that require any effort to get to look good - the Eduard Profipack Spad seemed the obvious choice. Luckily, my local model shop (yes, I actually have one 5 mins away :D ) happened to have one on the shelf, and for less than a tenner, found myself poring over the contents this afternoon ;)
First thoughts are, flipping heck, its teeny! Struts are like a length of stretched sprue... but equally, very impressed with the package. Lovely refined detail, very fine photo etch, super clearly printed decal sheet and even a masking sheet for the microscopic windshields and wheels.
It's beautiful, but equally scary as the size will pose some real challenges for my eyes and fat fingers :P
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/7ac5a6d4b2722eef9b16dd05e5926613.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/96f7b960de9f6929cb4b1dbfdbb51505.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/c5a7437be96b0e61985ef842ea2e6ae1.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/8fee31780b7f8a50f4ce04de2f4d224a.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/869f3cbf64e75bcd131c58917611eee8.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/3a4d90f7df273bb334bc6d75ba6ee41e.jpg)
Think I'm going for this colour option...
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/eb12294df1c8a3b17c327db8b71773f1.jpg)
Nonetheless, couldn't resist making a start...
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/726f257b414cd242b55c4a77089e6892.jpg)
Thanks for looking, and will be after lots of top tips from the 1/72 team...
Guy
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Hi Guy,
nice model, but you have to put some extra tlc. I have build it like 3 years ago and what I remeber most vividly is that I used some sprue pieces to force the fuselage halves open wider in order to fit to the upper part. Maybe it won't be the case this time,b ut just as a warning - do some test fitting :) Otherwise it builds beautifully and the colour markings are damn nice :)
best regards,
Sasho
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Thanks Sasho,
That's very helpful, will check that fit out.
Guy
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That is a lovely kit, Guy. I am surę you will have a lot of fun in this new scale and end up with a great model.
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That looks like a great kit. I haven't built it so can't help with gotchas but will gladly help out on any other issues.
Ian
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Though small it is a very nice looking kit, in your very capable hands I'm sure it will turn into a real gem, really nice looking PE set, looking forward to seeing what you do with this kit.
Des.
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Guy,
You are truly a modelling mad man, your previous post was related to a 1/4 Scale Se5a, then without missing a beat you are into a 1/72 Scale Spad! Can't keep a good man down they say! You are certainly a braver man then I, I'll be following this latest adventure of yours with great interest.
Cheers,
Lance
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Lovely little kit. Looking forward to seeing this built
I have about 40 1/72 kits in my stash but am slowly moving away from them as I move up to larger scales. You might change my mind with this one though
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I could be tempted to the Dark Side! I will keep two eyes firmly fixed on your progress.
Good luck!
Von B
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That is a great start Guy! As we mature, the size of those components in 1/72 seem to get very, very small! But it looks like you're OK with it! I do like the colour scheme... Regards, Marc
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Glad to read that you have seen the light at last. Despite the small pieces that looks to be a very good kit. Just think about it as a super-detailing exercise on a larger scale kit - but you will end with a completed model instead!
Stephen.
PS. willing to help with any tips if I can.
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Nice kit and choice of markings. I am looking forward to your build.
RAGIII
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Many thanks for the interest - I hope it ends up being completed... it's one of those where I'm wondering how on earth I'm going to finish it how I imagine...
A little start pre oils. I have to say, the cockpit is remarkably detailed for the scale. Nothing I feel needs adding.
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/F75B03A6-F365-43E6-AC6D-447E388EC2FA.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/8E8B83E1-876B-4587-8560-9458CDA37589.jpg)
But I would like to pick the 1/72nders brains...
What are the favoured method of rigging? I'm thinking possibly of stretched sprue for the cross centre struts and possibly Uschi elastic for the rest. Although I have to say I'm not a huge fan of that. I'd much prefer monofilament but not sure how I can incorporate it? I'm also thinking of a hole all the way through the lower wing to pull the monofilament through to tighten? What about turnbuckles?!
Any tips welcome...
Thanks
Guy
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Guy, I have a PowerPoint presentation on my favourite methods of rigging, for 1/72 scale and also for 1/32 scale. If you send me your email address I will gladly share it with you (and anyone interested).
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Guy, I have a PowerPoint presentation on my favourite methods of rigging, for 1/72 scale and also for 1/32 scale. If you send me your email address I will gladly share it with you (and anyone interested).
Excellent Prze!
Much obliged.. PM on its way...
Guy
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That should help!
I use a similar method and drill both wings. For my SPAD I used 4thou stainless wire for the two sets of stagger wires instead of drilling. I also drilled the struts instead if the wings on this one as the wires attach higher up.
Ian
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the eduard 1/72 spad xiii is one of the nicest kits ive seen in that scale. you should have a nice time with it. i like messing with different scales for different reasons not the least of which is variety.
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Guy,
Ah my favorite of all WWI fighters. Looking forward to following along. This best of luck to you my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Yes, quite a jump from 1/4 to 1/72! Looking great so far! I still have not added turnbuckles (after a one time attempt with Citadel paint) but, I am confident that it can be done. I used Uschi super fine thread for mine. I had never done rigging before, but it went well.
Steve
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Thanks for the tips ;)
Cockpit now completed...
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/f1c867bf3d2abfb0650c5e9f5aeb2166.jpg)
As usual, the macro photos are harsh! Even worse in 1/72nd ??? In my defence it really is tiny compared to 1/32:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/507607e91ed394c1799b67b7352c09ea.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/dc049b9a7a69a9bd6733d9433b908acb.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/21ebd6020b469234a8a5dd32e8138a15.jpg)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/ab8a833fa3326106e0ff58ddc931fd9c.jpg)
The kit is very detailed for this scale. There are even decals for the instrument faces and photo etch bezels... Although the decals are smaller than a pin head :o
Guy
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Outstanding work on this small masterpiece, my eyes cannot handle this scale anymore. Look forward to your next posting.
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That looks great, and very inspirational for when I get to my dual-combo!
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Guy, are you going to recreate the doubled rigging? I'm trying to make a jig to recreate that. An old friend of mine from the WWI Modeling List (Paul) is on here, and I believe that's how he did it.
Prze, I'd like to see your PowerPoint as well.
Warren
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Looks outstanding to me Guy! The Macro photos don't show anything that doesn't look great.
RAGIII
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It looks damn good from here!
For the flying wires, I ran the wires either side of the thinned down centre point of each mid strut, then added the cross piece afterwards.
Ian
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Lovely work on the interior.
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It looks damn good from here!
For the flying wires, I ran the wires either side of the thinned down centre point of each mid strut, then added the cross piece afterwards.
Ian
Ian, I've wondered about doing that, didn't know if I could make it work.
Guy, it looks lovely.
Warren
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As Rick has written I cannot see anything wrong so far - in fact quite the reverse. Super fine detail.
Stephen.
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Marvelous cockpit! You did realy a greatjob on that.
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Thanks chaps,
Warren: don't know yet, still haven't worked out my method yet...
All closed up and ready for paint...
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/AA7FB00E-85E1-4429-8E05-8631C1809A58.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/spad/AA7FB00E-85E1-4429-8E05-8631C1809A58.jpg.html)
Guy
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Ps
The wings are a little warped - so they appear with an anhedral droop. I've taped them to the correct angle and put in a hot cupboard - hopefully they'll stay like that...
Guy
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Guy, did you have to shim the fuse halves to get the top to fit evenly?
Warren
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That is a brilliant little cockpit, guy! Some great wood tones! And progress is sound... You're right to get the dihedral right at this point, it saves a lot of trouble later.. Regards, Marc
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Thanks Marc,
Yep, I'm already dreading the top wing attachment :o in fact, I'd be very grateful for any tips and how people go about the struts and wing gluing & alignment? The struts are so tiny with the faintest of holes on the wings... no snap fit like Wingnuts here. I'd be very interested in the correct procedure? Luckily, they don't have a stagger...
Guy, did you have to shim the fuse halves to get the top to fit evenly?
Warren
Warren, I did dry fit the top as you suggested and seemed close enough but once glued in place it did require a degree of shimming to both sides. I think my dry fit was a tad optimistic!
Guy
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You did a superb job with the cockpit Guy, looking forward to seeing more.
Des.
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Thanks Des ;)
Had quite a spurt today and have got all the initial painting done. The undercoat went on last night:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/3523D997-E418-401D-941E-513702435D54.jpg)
Then the 5 colour camo:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/CA2F33A2-CF40-4943-9098-7289E78A7F00.jpg)
And 6 if you count the undersides (little paint overflow here but corrected after the photos):
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/675041A0-37AC-4075-8581-D5E56EC2E5F3.jpg)
All colours are custom mixes from Mr. Color. I've even managed to get a gloss coat on so decals next I think (although I'm away again this week :( ).
In planning my rigging I've drilled holes through the lower wing and halfway through the top - the plan being to attach to the top wing prior to fixing in place and then to pull taut through the lower wing and make good the paint. Still not entirely sure how it'll end up but at least I now have a plan... I've also bought some super fine monofilament (0.06mm).
Thanks for looking,
Guy
Ps still need help re my earlier question on wings if anyone can offer advice?
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Coming along very nicely, love the camo.
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Truly remarkable work in this tiny scale, Guy!
Cheers,
Bud
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Gorgeous work on the camo scheme! The colors look spot on!
RAGIII
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Guy,
I'm sorry pard, but I've not had to correct a bent wing like that, so I'm no help.
Now, I'm certainly interested in your Gunze Mr. Color mixes you created for this. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Could you be so kind as to share, please?
Warren
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Wow! That was fast! Very nice, clean work, too! I'm way too slow.
Steve
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Fine and quick progress, Guy. Your are building a fine model.
And yes, do not hesitate to do double flying wires, it is perfectly doable, I have not specified it clearly in my presentation but 0.3mm holes can be drilled close enough one to another to get the starting points for decently spaced double lines.
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Very clean and brilliant work. Go for double wires. You will also master this task.
Manni
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Thanks chaps,
Yes, I've drilled the holes for double wires, but only at the front...
Guy,
I'm sorry pard, but I've not had to correct a bent wing like that, so I'm no help.
Now, I'm certainly interested in your Gunze Mr. Color mixes you created for this. I'm sure I'm not alone.
Could you be so kind as to share, please?
Warren
Thanks Warren, I think I've fixed the warped wings, it was more about the method people use to fix the struts & top wing?
The colours are variations of:
Mr Color 43, 45, 69, 70, 92, 119, 122, 312....
Hope that helps.
Guy
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It does help, thanks!
Warren
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Great camouflage. Seems like a good kit warped wing excluded of course
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Afternoon all,
Little more progress; some weathering, decals & rigging started. I bought in some 0.06mm monofilament and I think it's perfectly scale, but it didn't look quite right as it was almost invisible. So I've gone for an over scale 0.14mm but at least you can see it!
Thanks for keeping the interest going...
Guy
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/F84B6626-020C-468D-9A6A-095D5131DF97.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/spad/F84B6626-020C-468D-9A6A-095D5131DF97.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/EB294A49-CA1F-461A-8591-FD5573463E97.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/spad/EB294A49-CA1F-461A-8591-FD5573463E97.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/8DB10B9D-8CF4-4908-9B09-3D3F4DFCD516.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/spad/8DB10B9D-8CF4-4908-9B09-3D3F4DFCD516.jpg.html)
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Nice job in the weathering Guy!
I use .06mm for rigging and run it across a silver paint pen or permanent marker to make it more visible. It also may be necessary to mark the end with a black marker to help with threading it through the holes!
Ian
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Very nice weathering! The colours look so rich!.
Love it.
Manni
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Great weathering, especially in 1/72.
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Your weathering is superb! I am looking forward to seeing all of those wires drop into place!
RAGIII
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Thank you for the kind comments ;)
Currently mid-rigging and I'd wish I'd used a smaller diameter - I reckon about 0.1mm - it looks ok but is a little too thick to work with in this scale - the struts just aren't strong enough to be put under much tension.
Guy
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Wow! This is looking superb, Guy! Well done! All the Best for the rigging! Marc
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Ah, looking very good!!
I have always had a soft spot in my heart for Spads, & may have to consider building this kit in the not too distant future.
Steve
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Hi Guy,
Lovely work on the Spad.
You may want to take a look at this line. 0.8 in diameter and will serve you well.
vB
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Maxima-Chameleon-metres-fishing-line/dp/B005SS6I46 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Maxima-Chameleon-metres-fishing-line/dp/B005SS6I46)
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Guy,
Now that's one beautiful SPAD my old friend. Awesome paint works! Keep up the outstanding progress!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I, too, really like those colours. I use 0,08mm for rigging, but have now recieved all 3 sizes of Uschi's stretchy line to see how that goes... the super fine is really that, even thinner than 0,08mm wire I now use...
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Thank you again all,
I have nearly finished the rigging and I've learnt a lot about how I'll do it next time ::) will definitely go for 0.08mm.. the thicker it is, the problems you cause.
Here's a quick shot prior to the top wing going on...
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/spad/EA0454A8-89FF-4E06-9568-ADEE08A87EB4.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/spad/EA0454A8-89FF-4E06-9568-ADEE08A87EB4.jpg.html)
Guy
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Looking great Guy.
Warren
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As Warren said, she's looking great!
I think you'll find it easier with the thinner rigging next time, it pulls tighter without leaving a tell-tale bend as it enters the wing. There won't be any strain on the struts if you just add a small weight (I use dolls house clothes pegs!) to the line when tightening it - just enough to pull it taught. I've even used the strut material supplied in vac kits with no problems.
Ian
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Thanks Ian & Warren,
I suddenly realised that I wasn't happy with the rigging after I'd finished it so I scrapped it.. took the top wing off and cut all the rigging off. Re - rigged again with the 0.06mm (probably too thin and wispy) but definitely better. However, disaster struck just as I was finishing off... my dremel drill toppled over and has smashed pretty much all of it :o
I've just walked away from it. Probably too far gone, but I'll go and have a look in the morning when I've calmed down... :P
Ho hum...
Guy
Ps I've been sent the new Eduard 1/48th duo of the Spad & D.VII by the magazine. So one of those will be up next although I'll definitely be revisiting 1/72nd again soon. Really enjoyed it...
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Ouch!
Sorry to hear that...but glad to see you'll be returning to 1:72
Ian
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Guy,
I have a few of these kits in the stash. You want me to send you one to replace this one. I am saddened this happened, but . . . .
On a curious note, I never get consistent notifications about this thread and some others, but get notifications about others consistently.
Weird.
Warren
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Thanks chaps,
Warren, that's very kind of you, but I'll have to have a think about revisiting this so soon....
Thanks for looking in though.
Guy
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That's a shame Guy, she was looking really nice. You've had a bad several months, first the big SE and now this twist if misfortune. A relaxing "Review" type Build might just be what you need to get back to normal, good luck with the Duo Build!
Cheers,
Lance
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I certainly can feel your pain having suffered two similar disasters in the last year or so. It is a real shame as your SPAD was turning out beautifully!
RAGIII