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Title: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on March 27, 2016, 09:43:25 PM
Well, now the Albatros is finished I find myself looking through the Hannover box...

Looks super  8)

Initial thoughts are: Can't face the lozenge  :o

The trainer option look is nice, 90% sure I'll be doing that. Although it's a bit predictable; I did however find this on 'Wings Pallete'



(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/0aff1a2fc5529adb05f477f0a2739203.jpg)


Does anyone have any info or photos on non lozenge options? (I know there were a few Polish ones, but not sure I like them).

Out of interest, are there any threads showing how to paint lozenge just in case...

Many thanks,

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Dave in Dubai on March 27, 2016, 11:10:59 PM
Hi Guy,

Ray Rimell's Hawa special s vol 1 and 2 are pretty good for showing the variety of finishes.

I'll take a look and see whether tyere are any other non-lozenge options in there....


Good luck with the build,

Dave
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on March 27, 2016, 11:58:54 PM
Looking forward to this one Guy!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on March 28, 2016, 03:02:33 AM
I always thought the Hannover was a neat aeroplane, with it's distinctive double
tail.  Sorry, Guy, no help on the paint scheme front, but really looking forward to
following your build, my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Oeli on March 28, 2016, 03:08:50 AM
Hi,

have a look at the WnW site.

http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/4F70D020AF6AEE17CC07B801BA13905D

Here is the Hannover from Kay Koglin, he also built the Trainer scheme.
I try to build it too  ;)

Maybe this helps a bit.

Regards
Jörg
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on March 28, 2016, 03:19:29 AM
Thanks Dave, Big Blue, Ernie & Jörg,

Yes, I'd seen that - I think that's as close to perfection as you can get  :P

I will be copying heavily if I do that one. I fancy the one pictured above though as it's just a bit different to everyone else's.

Dave, I've seen those photos - lovely. But the wings look a different colour /shade to the fuse. I don't think anyone knows for sure, but can only have an educated guess?

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Des on March 28, 2016, 06:59:24 AM
Great to see you have decided to build this kit Guy, it is a very impressive kit and builds easy.

Des.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 01, 2016, 04:07:43 AM
Thanks Des,

Yes it is a lovely kit. I'm really enjoying it already. A nice straightforward build without too many tricky bits or rigging. Having studied the pictures of the trainer pictured in my first post (522), I've come to the conclusion that (to my mind) the fuselage is pale blue, the wings, stabiliser, rudder and wings are YELLOW  ;) the wheels and undercart are red. Once you look at the photo with those colours in mind - it suddenly all makes sense  ;D

So that's what I'm going to be doing - shame I can't post the photo as its from Ray's 'Hawa' book.

Have prepped the wood at least:

(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/42C15996-C25F-404B-918C-ED9493365A3F.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/42C15996-C25F-404B-918C-ED9493365A3F.jpg.html)

Any input welcome,

Guy

Ps getting some tips off of Bertl's build, but (obviously) won't be going to follow all the crazy stuff!

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 04, 2016, 07:34:52 AM
Evening all,

I've been beavering away on the cockpit and it's very nearly done. Nice busy pit with lots of detail. The usual wood grain with oils followed by detail painting, blending, glossing, pin wash, decalling, unglossing, wiring etc... All in all quite a job, but loved every minute of it. I went for a black leather seat just to be different.

Apologies for the usual macro photo scaries... It looks OK in the flesh - honest  :P

Guy


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/c766805f8861df755f48ceab3d5793f0.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/c766805f8861df755f48ceab3d5793f0.jpg.html)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/4fa444d90eae935c62b261cddf9e353e.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/4fa444d90eae935c62b261cddf9e353e.jpg.html)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/f1dd96e21346503c107129d1f1722b8e.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/f1dd96e21346503c107129d1f1722b8e.jpg.html)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/47c801e85cb81e114f261aaa81329df1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/47c801e85cb81e114f261aaa81329df1.jpg.html)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/ec0991fd63c098b6c0add7d43da3026c.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/ec0991fd63c098b6c0add7d43da3026c.jpg.html)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/13d4342ae9ee1761cfeca33d84d1f0a6.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/13d4342ae9ee1761cfeca33d84d1f0a6.jpg.html)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/54fb79f7f9b695144f869e49591db484.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Hannover/54fb79f7f9b695144f869e49591db484.jpg.html)


Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Des on April 04, 2016, 07:45:38 AM
Beautiful painting and detailing Guy, your choice of colours is superb, I like the black seat.

Des.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: lcarroll on April 04, 2016, 08:21:37 AM
   Magnificent work Guy! If that's Machro Mode scary then mine should be banned as absolutely lethally horrifying :o: great detail, pristinely clean and beyond perfect! Your work is a real inspiration.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 04, 2016, 12:20:29 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: uncletony on April 04, 2016, 12:35:38 PM
Fantastic & lovely Guy!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: stefanbuss on April 04, 2016, 04:13:06 PM
I am impressed by your paintwork's subtlety. It seems to be the "agreed way of working" to show very heavy woodgrain (normally by applying UvR's decals), but I always think that is way overdone.
You show a lot of restraint in your "woodworking" - this is much more convincing.

Well done.
S.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 04, 2016, 07:51:04 PM
Oh for pity sake, Guy, your macro pictures are actually better than regular
size!  Not fair!!  Your work on the Hannover interior is sublime.  Just magical.
I am anxious to see what wonders you will come up with next, my friend. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: LukasTheLight on April 04, 2016, 08:03:14 PM
Hello Guy!!!

That is one brilliant looking cockpit you are making ;) I shall keep watching...

Cheerio
Lukas
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 04, 2016, 09:23:34 PM
Love the content of your macro photography, Guy  ;)

vB
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 04, 2016, 11:34:41 PM
Guy,
I don't how I missed this but that is an AWESOME interior! Very, very well done!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: rhwinter on April 05, 2016, 01:16:56 AM
Tres bon, vraiment, Guy!
A question, though: Are you going to fit those wooden wheels to the bird, like shown on the profile?
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 05, 2016, 01:18:36 AM
Thank you for the very kind comments  :D

Just another quick one before I close her up...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/d0cb206d64b3778f9433cbc70313e837.jpg)


Getting everything lined up takes a degree of care as there are a few points from the cockpit assembly to marry up with the fuselage. It's really worth taking the time to do a few dry runs first - but it does just click into place once all is as it should be.

Now onto the engine. I've pre sprayed all the parts so it shouldn't take me too long to complete.


Guy

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 05, 2016, 01:20:28 AM
Tres bon, vraiment, Guy!
A question, though: Are you going to fit those wooden wheels to the bird, like shown on the profile?

Good question. I did notice those. I'm not sure yet. I'm not very good at improvising parts...

Why were they used?

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: rhwinter on April 05, 2016, 02:40:02 AM
Wooden wheels were used with training units, because raw materials like especially rubber, but also like all kinds of metals, were very rare in Germany at that stage of the war and thus left for the use with the front-line units.
By the way: Those wooden wheels don't look TO PRETTY to me...
Richard
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 05, 2016, 04:37:54 AM
Ah of course,

I have seen those before. I initially thought they were wooden covers. Yes, that would be tricky to represent without looking odd!

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: coyotemagic on April 05, 2016, 09:13:36 AM
Oh for pity sake, Guy, your macro pictures are actually better than regular
size!  Not fair!!  Your work on the Hannover interior is sublime.  Just magical.
I am anxious to see what wonders you will come up with next, my friend. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
What he said!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: radio on April 05, 2016, 10:15:08 AM
Very beautiful work Guy.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 06, 2016, 11:49:07 PM
Thanks Bud & Martin,

The engine is well under way. Oddly there are 2 left hand side parts in the kit - one is a rather crude representation of the rockers and rods all moulded as one and the other is a finely moulded version without the rods (ideal for adding your own with fine brass or plastic rod). The kit says this part is 'unused' but for me it's the far better option! The first job was to cut away the spark plugs and replace using brass tube again. I realise this is quite a crude way of replicating them compared to what could be done, but it's quick and convenient and, unless magnified, looks pretty good and has the added advantage of creating a secure attachment point for the ignition wire (copper coloured 0.17mm monofilament).


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/f645b6958813b4dff4b02b8200baecb4.jpg)


I'll post some more pictures once I've finished the engine - rods etc in situ.


Having finally closed up the fuselage, and sanded down the seams (this actually went perfectly well this time! There's a first for everything...) I've got a coat of primer on. I've only recently discovered Tamiya Fine Primer, and it's really excellent. It produces a very even finish that is smooth as silk. I always used Halfords primer in the past, which is also very good product, but quite coarse in comparison (although cheaper!).



(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/f1a6867278dcc7cdd4e14ca93a6fb0b5.jpg)



Now I can get stuck into the painting  ;D



Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: uncletony on April 06, 2016, 11:57:03 PM
The engine is well under way. Oddly there are 2 left hand side parts in the kit - one is a rather crude representation of the rockers and rods all moulded as one and the other is a finely moulded version without the rods (ideal for adding your own with fine brass or plastic rod).

Yep, that's what it is for. They've done this with many of their engines -- (provide a "clean" version for the detailers... )
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 07, 2016, 03:31:55 AM
Nice progress Guy.  The brass "sparkplug" tubes are a good idea.  The Tamiya fine primer
is my favourite...as you said, silky smooth. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 07, 2016, 07:31:33 PM
Thanks Ernie & Bo,

Bo, that's what I assumed, but I was surprised they don't mention this - just have the part blanked on the instructions as 'not used'


I've got a base layer of paint on now, and it looks er... Colourful - those of a nervous disposition look away now  8)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/a1812c5e26cb206f3d309ed0c129dc9f.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/fc7c568903d124377681c40616526f37.jpg)


Fear not though, this is only the start of the process, and I'm hoping it's going to end up looking like a well used training aircraft by the end  ;)

I wish I could post the period photograph - it puts the colours into context. There's one from the rear quarter where the colours make absolute sense and the text describes pale blue and yellow being common on training aircraft. Perhaps I can get permission from Ray for the magazine article? Happy to hear of any other opinions although it's too late to change!!  ;D

Thanks for looking in...


Guy

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 07, 2016, 07:33:34 PM
Lovely smooooth paintwork, Guy  ;)

Excellent.

vB
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 07, 2016, 08:16:06 PM
Lovely smooooth paintwork, Guy  ;)

Excellent.

vB

Hear, hear...colourful indeed, Guy!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Dave in Dubai on April 07, 2016, 08:54:14 PM
Looking ready for the colouring in Guy.

I agree that the Tamiya primer paints seem to get the best results. Absolutely smooth flawless finish, and they dry very quickly.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 07, 2016, 09:15:48 PM
Thanks Bob, Ernie & Dave,

I'm glad you noticed the smooth finish, because that's what I was striving for  :D I've got a confession though - the yellow is a Tamiya 'rattle can'. I've always found yellow a hard colour to paint with so I thought I'd give this a go. I'm glad I did as it made it a very straightforward job with a lovely smooth, glossy finish. The fuselage is Tamiya light blue lightened with white and diluted with Tamiya Laquer thinners. I think this is my best option for painting to date. It gives a slightly slower drying time so as not to clog the airbrush which can happen (to me at least) with protracted use. It also seems to give the smoothest finish.

Although lately I am experiencing 'spotting' with my airbrush. Little blobs spattering out along with the finer spray. Any ideas? Paint not thin enough, pressure to high? I can't seem to stop it regardless of paint type. My airbrush has been thoroughly cleaned so I'm running out of ideas. It doesn't always do it...

Guy

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: stefanbuss on April 07, 2016, 09:20:47 PM
That's getting even more interesting. Pale blue and yello? Nice...
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 07, 2016, 11:10:54 PM
Guy,
 You may need to change the Teflon seals.
Which airbrush do you use?

vB ;)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: coyotemagic on April 08, 2016, 01:37:47 AM
Lovely smooooth paintwork, Guy  ;)

Excellent.

vB

Hear, hear...colourful indeed, Guy!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Yep, super smooth paint work, Guy!  Looks like an early US Navy aircraft.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 08, 2016, 05:31:21 AM
Thanks Bud,

Guy,
 You may need to change the Teflon seals.
Which airbrush do you use?

vB ;)


Hi Bob, I've got an Iwata Custom Micro B. But I think I've finally found the problem, I went over it with a fine tooth comb and found that the blades of the tip were slightly bent (must have dropped it). If I use it without the tip it sprays fine! Phew. I'll probably need to get a new tip I reckon though  :P

I've just had an experimental paint session in an effort to recreate an uneven, dappled finish. I decided to go with the salt technique which I haven't tried before. This required a leap of faith to try it out with my lovely shiny, smooth yellow wing!

I'm sure it's old hat for everyone here, but here's what I tried:

1. Moisten the surface with warm water (the airbrush seemed to work ok with this).
2. Sprinkle on the salt - I used a standard salt grinder with coarse salt, then a final sprinkle with fine.
3. Mist on some more water.
4. Dry gently with a hairdryer.
5. Lightly spray a well thinned coat of a subtly different shade to the base.
6. Dry again with the hairdryer.
7. The salt then just brushes off and finish with a wipe down.

Quite pleased with the initial results, but bear in mind there are more processes to come and the overcoat is a Matt finish so looks slightly odd at the moment!


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/e0717b4c94d720c359d43b954984f4fe.jpg)



(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/91ab03e96cc682783340c81b0e67e174.jpg)



(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/aaa17af35ffaa2a8d409e89082f34d14.jpg)



Guy



Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: radio on April 08, 2016, 05:44:52 AM
It comes up very beautiful, Guy.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 08, 2016, 06:29:07 AM
The salt technique turned out quite nicely! Certainly has the look of distressed dope. Something to think about on my next DR1. Like all of the others have said, very colorful bird!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 08, 2016, 06:50:17 AM
Thanks Martin and Rick...


Couldn't resist finishing the job with the fuselage...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/2b2765b6fbc929a038ebe8117a162892.jpg)


I'm pleased with the effect, but think I could have gone further. I'm worried about it disappearing altogether under a filter and a layer of varnish...


Guy

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Des on April 08, 2016, 08:16:18 AM
Thanks for the tutorial on the salt tecnique Guy, the results are excellent.

Des.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: GAJouette on April 08, 2016, 11:51:03 AM
  Guy,
I'm quite impressed with your results weathering with salt. I've used similar techniques to weather WWII aircraft many times in the past but I've got admit I'd never thought of using this on WWI aircraft before now. Thank you sharing this technique my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 08, 2016, 11:56:21 AM
That looks great Guy.

I have experimented with this technique, but have yet to employ it on an actual build due to a recurring issue with white staining in my clear coat from salt residue.  I mostly shoot Tamiya acrylic paints, and have tried a variety of top coats (Alclad Aqua & lacquers, Tamiya X-22 and XF-86, and Vallejo's acrylic matte coat.  Occasional white spots in all, despite a thorough washing with warm soap and water after removing the salt.  Unlike you, I thin my Tamiya with isopropyl alcohol, so perhaps that is part of the problem?  Either way, your results are terrific.

Your build continues to impress.

Chris
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: rhwinter on April 08, 2016, 04:17:55 PM
LIKE!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 08, 2016, 04:50:05 PM
Thanks Des, Greg, Chris & Richard,

All advice & comments most welcome!



That looks great Guy.

I have experimented with this technique, but have yet to employ it on an actual build due to a recurring issue with white staining in my clear coat from salt residue.  I mostly shoot Tamiya acrylic paints, and have tried a variety of top coats (Alclad Aqua & lacquers, Tamiya X-22 and XF-86, and Vallejo's acrylic matte coat.  Occasional white spots in all, despite a thorough washing with warm soap and water after removing the salt.  Unlike you, I thin my Tamiya with isopropyl alcohol, so perhaps that is part of the problem?  Either way, your results are terrific.

Your build continues to impress.

Chris


Now you tell me Chris... :o

Thanks for the heads up though, I'll have to experiment on this I reckon, would be galling to mess it up at the final hurdle!


Guy

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 08, 2016, 09:56:52 PM
Sorry Guy, I didn't mean to scare you!   I am sure it is something particular to my process since I have seen numerous examples of other people's work where the results are very effective (like those shown above).  It was more an expression of "I wish I could do that..."

Chris
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 09, 2016, 03:21:39 PM
Not at all Chris, grateful for the heads up, but...

I'm toying with the idea of stripping the wing back to plastic  :o I've done a couple of filters and feel that I've rather spoilt it now. Once again, a little step too far. It's lost the dappled effect and just looks a bit messy now. Not really what I had in mind. I also masked all the ribs but was struggling to make these seen for some reason. In retrospect, I should have started with a light, creamy yellow as a base and then masked the ribs prior to the other effects... :P

Oh well. I'm away at work this coming week - I may just leave it for the time being and reflect..

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: LukasTheLight on April 09, 2016, 07:30:37 PM
Hi Guy!!!

Great to see you tackling down "salt" method ;) so much potential there... I used same technique on my submarine but I have definitely learnt my lesson and next time I will follow your instruction and use hairdryer... that might spare me some time ;)

Cheerio
Lukas
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 09, 2016, 10:58:27 PM
Sorry to hear that things aren't quite working out with the salt technique,
Ian.  On the good side, I am a great believer in stripping back and coming
up with something you are really happy with.  just a little bump in the road,
my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 10, 2016, 12:31:20 AM
Sorry to hear you aren't happy with current progress, Guy, but am sure you will have it up to you excellent standards in short order.

Chris
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 10, 2016, 02:53:53 AM
Thanks chaps,

I thought I may have a final blitz on the wings, thinking I can can always strip them later if it didn't work out...

Not too bad - a very faded, worn look intended. What do you reckon? Stick with that and varnish the colours in? I'm leaning towards that option at the moment. I added some streaking and re did the salt...


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/f7ed0bebdcbe500c35204342b6e48a22.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/1901f023b89dc92a7bd2c2293a7eafae.jpg)


Guy

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 10, 2016, 03:23:52 AM
I don't know what to say...On my computer the photos look like Kermit the Frog  :-X  I went out of the thread and came back and they were perfect! Strange indeed  ::)  So, I think they look terrific! Not overdone at all. JMHO
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: jknaus on April 10, 2016, 03:33:25 AM
WOW, that is so cool. I'll have to think some on trying this but the effects just blow me away on your build. Very very nice.
James
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: coyotemagic on April 10, 2016, 03:56:05 AM
I love it, Guy!  I say, go with it.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: lcarroll on April 10, 2016, 04:08:40 AM
I love it, Guy!  I say, go with it.
Cheers,
Bud

Yup, me too. I think you've really aced it Guy, I'd be real pleased with that result!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 10, 2016, 04:13:56 AM
Thumbs up!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 10, 2016, 05:05:26 AM
Thanks again!

I really wasn't sure but your opinions have helped a lot, thanks.

I'll stick with that then.

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Dave in Dubai on April 10, 2016, 07:15:27 AM
I reckon it looks good Guy.

Just sit with it for a couple of days if you're not sure.

Another thing to try is look at the pics through a black and white filter and see if it looks like the subject.

If you are happy then no-one can say for sure that your interpretation is wrong?

The salt technique has given a subtle patina to the finish which looks great too.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Des on April 10, 2016, 07:49:43 AM
The result you achieved looks good to my eyes, I would go with it.

Des.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 10, 2016, 08:41:53 AM
I think you have done great with the faded wings, Guy.  Anything more would
be in my opinion too much.  That is a really good effect, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 10, 2016, 06:13:43 PM
Thanks Dave, Des & Ernie,

Your advice has helped a lot. I've just glossed to seal it all in and the effects have all but disappeared!

I can report that I had no salt staining issues but being forewarned - I really cleaned it well in a hot soapy bath! I also read somewhere online that Laquer prevents this effect, so I used Tamiya Clear with about a 60:40 ratio with Tamiya Laquer thinners. Not a hint of any trouble.

Hope that helps anyone else..


Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: uncletony on April 10, 2016, 11:02:16 PM
I love it too! Keep it.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: radio on April 11, 2016, 01:52:39 AM
I see a very beautiful painting.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 11, 2016, 05:38:48 AM
I can report that I had no salt staining issues but being forewarned - I really cleaned it well in a hot soapy bath! I also read somewhere online that Laquer prevents this effect, so I used Tamiya Clear with about a 60:40 ratio with Tamiya Laquer thinners. Not a hint of any trouble.

Hope that helps anyone else..


Guy

Really gllad to hear it, and something for me to investigate.   :)

Chris
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: stefanbuss on April 11, 2016, 05:11:49 PM
Please keep those faded wings as they are. Absolutely fantastic work, so far.

S.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 11, 2016, 07:19:09 PM
Thanks guys,

Shame it's all disappeared under the clear coat!  ::)

Away now but hope to crack on this weekend - stickers next  ;D


Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 11, 2016, 11:03:59 PM
Thanks guys,

Shame it's all disappeared under the clear coat!  ::)

Away now but hope to crack on this weekend - stickers next  ;D


Guy

It may come back when you apply a flat or semi gloss! Still looks great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 17, 2016, 11:27:00 PM
Decalling and final coat of varnish on.


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/e3cbc920ef96b91b50de527a4fc73f52.jpg)


Bizarrely, I had the old seam issue again   :P  how this keeps cropping up is a mystery to me. There wasn't a hint of a seam even under a spotlight and magnification, but during the decalling it just appeared! Had to sand it all down again and repaint  ??? I think I've just about got away with it.

The salt technique is still all but invisible, as are the rib effects - I'm glad I spent an afternoon masking...  :-\ note for next time - I'll have to really exaggerate it so as to be almost cartoon like.

I'm up to the fun bit now - clicking all the bits together!


Guy



Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: uncletony on April 17, 2016, 11:34:28 PM
Gorgeous!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Dave in Dubai on April 17, 2016, 11:38:36 PM
Guy, that looks great!

Funny you should mention the curious phenomenae of appearing seams.

Had similar on a couple of builds- the Hansa Brandenberg being one that springs to mind.

I leave them for a bit now to settle and the paint to cure and shrink and then take another look to see if all is well.

I guess there must be some slow movement over time whilst everything dries, cures and contracts?

Anyway, your Hannover is looking splendid.

Dave :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 18, 2016, 04:06:22 AM
Beautiful work Guy!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 18, 2016, 04:35:25 AM
I have been plagued by reappearing seams since day one, Guy.  As Dave said, a
curious phenomenon indeed!  As for the look of the Hannover, I think it looks
an absolute gem.  The whole trainer colour scheme is such a change and it is great,
my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Des on April 18, 2016, 06:49:27 AM
Your Hannover is looking gorgeous Guy.

Des.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: dr 1 ace on April 18, 2016, 07:26:12 AM
Striking scheme, await final pics !

Ed
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 18, 2016, 07:35:29 AM
First, as others have stated, your Hannover looks gorgeous.  Your efforts have paid of from where I am sitting.

Second, I have experienced that exact issue: I had the upper fuselage seam re-appear on my Eindecker build after I had applied decals and the final matte coat.  Miserable.  I just used cyano in the manner that Justin suggests for the first time on my Bristol, and I have to say, it was much easier to deal with than multiple rounds of filler and sanding.  Hopefully it will solve the reappearance issue as well.

Chris

Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: radio on April 18, 2016, 10:12:30 AM
Great work Guy.
Cheers
Martin
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: stefanbuss on April 18, 2016, 05:33:32 PM
Did someone say "gorgeous"?  8)

I love it. Those yellow wings look incredible.

S.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: UFAG on April 18, 2016, 07:47:57 PM
Beautifull...!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 18, 2016, 11:55:59 PM
Thanks very much for all the comments, most welcome  ;)

Just a couple of pics of the engine, largely completed. I've got some nice ones of the fuselage on the wheels, and I'll hope to get round to posting those later today.


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/26BF399A-27E4-48C7-9DEF-12D1F365603D.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/63E7A08F-0340-4D50-8788-F492767D45EF.jpg)


Not hugely detailed... Bo & Bertl, please look away  :P

Re the seam, it had been left to dry for a week before I originally sanded, and when it came back, it was slightly raised. Goodness knows how that works.. And, yes, I add a trail of glue over the top too.  ???

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: uncletony on April 18, 2016, 11:59:15 PM

Not hugely detailed... Bo & Bertl, please look away  :P

Nonsense, it's beautiful
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 19, 2016, 12:46:14 AM
Excellent engine! Looking terrific!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 19, 2016, 02:40:51 AM
Excellent engine! Looking terrific!
RAGIII

Exactly! Couldn't agree more, Rick. Well done, Guy!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 19, 2016, 03:36:25 AM
Thanks Bo, Rick & Ernie  :D

I've done as much as I can now until my package from Bob vB arrives (how dare he go sick)  ???

Loved the project so far. I know I always seem to say this, but it's probably been my most enjoyable build yet  ;) cracking kit

WARNING: The following images contain macro photography  :P


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/ca89f27c42226d99df88c50636e20790.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/7b97bcb509c99900d4b5a464cd39fa0d.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/c4c77bfe57ea12ee3c45fac8fb67ac9a.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/1cc768f55317a78eea60ac201d9e4f6f.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/e81a6ef260e578e44462344ba14e015b.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/c634e91ae0679799b7d0e9e81e395529.jpg)


(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Hannover/6f1c169c2407226e1b15cc7f7836079b.jpg)



Thanks again,



Guy


Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: rhallinger on April 19, 2016, 03:38:38 AM
That looks just marvelous Guy!  Very well done. ;D  Beautiful Hannover!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: coyotemagic on April 19, 2016, 03:47:50 AM
Gorgeous work, Guy!  She's shaping up to be a real stunner!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Umlaufmotor on April 19, 2016, 04:33:49 AM
As Bo said, this built is beautiful, Guy!
Love it!!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: bobs_buckles on April 19, 2016, 07:36:09 AM
All the above...

vB  ;)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: BigBlue on April 19, 2016, 08:02:05 AM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Ernie on April 19, 2016, 11:10:18 AM
Good grief, Guy, you're macro is much friendlier than mine! ;D  I am just
blown away by your Hannover, even at this stage.  The thing that really
impressed me was the undercarriage generator.  Are the mounting straps
and bolts separate parts?  Also the paint and weathering on the wheels are
totally believable.  Is the red a mixture?  Lovely stuff, my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Des on April 19, 2016, 11:20:44 AM
Gorgeous work, Guy!  She's shaping up to be a real stunner!
Cheers,
Bud

My words exactly, well done Guy.

Des.
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: FarEast on April 19, 2016, 11:35:37 AM
Oh wow, that's stunning!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Dave in Dubai on April 19, 2016, 02:53:32 PM
Fantastic Guy, -love that generator plus the attachment straps on the undercarriage leg.

Best wishes,

Dave :)
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: rhwinter on April 19, 2016, 03:48:42 PM
I! Am! Impressed!
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: Gisbod on April 19, 2016, 04:21:06 PM

Ah thank you! What nice chaps you are  :D

Are the mounting straps
and bolts separate parts?  Also the paint and weathering on the wheels are
totally believable.  Is the red a mixture?

Cheers,
Ernie :)

Ernie - the generator and bolts are the kit part, all I've done is to add the two straps with masking tape and add the wire with copper monofilament. With red I always add a splash of burnt umber to tone down the colour.

Guy
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: RAGIII on April 19, 2016, 11:54:16 PM
Well I guess I am not the only one blown away by this one! Just absolutely stunning.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Wingnuts Hannover
Post by: radio on April 19, 2016, 11:57:26 PM
Very great build Guy.
Cheers
Martin