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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Monty on March 06, 2016, 10:23:28 PM
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This is a fascinating subject, a real "Late War" advanced fighter that only just saw service - although there is no record it was used in combat. I have started it already, so apologize for no sprue shots, but it is cleanly moulded and typically Roden: the surface detail and corrugations are very nice indeed! The only difficult stage seems to be the four part fuselage moulding, but this is well thought out and the real aircraft had some rough joins anyway... This is where I got up to yesterday:
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All the interior is from the kit, I just added some foil seatbelts - I still need to paint the instrument dials! This shows the floor and fuselage side dry-fitted - seems OK!
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Now both sides are attached, the top just dry-fitted to make sure it comes together and the radiator assembled and used to check alignment too....
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The fuselage top is on! Just a smear of surface primer to blend it in, and the wing tops and bottoms are glued together - they fit well with some minor trimming!
More soon,
Regards,
Marc
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Hi Marc! It is great to see you working on another WW1aircraft model. Very fine progress so far. How are the separate corrugated parts getting together? I reckon that any filling and sanding may be tricky.
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Marc,
Excellent first progress my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Marc
You've made a fine start and I'll be following the build with interest. Down at a model shop I visit occasionally there is this self-same kit and every time I pick it up and think ... should I?
Best wishes
Nigel
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You have made a great start on this very unique aircraft Marc, looking forward to seeing more progress photos.
Des.
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Outstanding start! Your interior looks superb.
RAGIII
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Hi Przemo! Thank you for looking in and great to hear from you! It is a lovely little kit - the four part fuselage sides actually fit together along the joint lines of the original air-frame, and that helps enormously, also the original had some fairly rough looking joints, so here I guess I can get away with some artistic license! It's quite easy to fill with surface primer if you get little holes (they will be minor!) and sanding and a little re-scribing of the corrugations will help, I'm sure! The only place that really worries me is the wing leading edge, but I just made sure I lined up the corrugations, glued it together well, sanded and restored the dips in the corrugations - should be OK, there's a colour demarcation there anyway!
Hi Gregory, It's always great to have you looking in! Thank You for the encouragement!
Hi Nigel, I think it's a great little kit - unlikely to be superseded by any other. Very accurate and finely moulded - mine was an absolute bargain second hand, so I can only recommend you buy it...
Hi Des! Thank you for the kind words and checking in! It is appreciated...
Hi Rick! It's a pleasure to welcome you! Yes, the kit components are good for the interior... there should be corrugations on the sidewalls though... I admit I'm too lazy to redo that!
But there is some progress, the wings are on and the tailplane is dry fitted, just to see if it lines up. The wing to fuselage joint looks weak, but if you trim it carefully, there is actually a large area of contact, and lots of liquid glue gets a really strong joint!
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Then the joints were filled with liquid surface primer, I use the Tamiya one, then trimmed, sanded and the detail restored if needed...
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Then I added the assembled radiator and the tailplane was lined up carefully and glued in place; Now the seperate control surfaces (Nice one, Roden!) were all prepared and fitting refined - the mating surfaces needed quite a bit of work but do fit if you're diligent:
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That's as far as I've got!
Regards and enjoy your modelling!
Marc
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Thanks, Marc, for the answer. I am sure you will cope with the leading edges, too. It is going to be a fine model - looking forward to it.
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Looking great Marc! Are you going to replace the Spandaus? You are working extremely fast! Keep up the good work!
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This is taking shape nicely Marc, looking forward to seeing more.
Des.
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You are making short work of this one! Looking terrific!
RAGIII
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Thank You, Rick, Des, Przemo and Xmald for looking in! Yes, it might look like it's going together fast, but it is well-engineered kit and simple in WW1 terms! I will probably use the kit machine guns as I have nothing lying around for this kit, I fully agree that just some photo-etch Spandau barrel cooling jackets would make all the difference... very visible too...
I have the control surfaces on except the rudder as I'll add it right at the end, the tail-skid fits well and there is a coaming at the front of the cockpit that needs a bit of fiddling to get in place... smears of surface primer are visible but there are no major gaps and most of the surface sanding is done... we are almost getting ready for paint!
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Regards,
Marc
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It would be nice to see Roden pluck up some courage and make some more 1/32 kits, they seem to have quite the selection in 1/72 and 1/48
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Looking terrific! You are making quick work of this one!
RAGIII
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I just picked up one of these so I find your build so far very informative. Didn't realise the fuselage was in so many parts. Lovely work so far.
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Hi Derrick! Yes, I agree, Roden do wonderful WW1 kits in any scale, their tooling and quality is really good now, so it would be a pleasure to get some new 1/32 kits... but I think they are a little scared off by WNW...
Hi Rick, It's enjoyable modelling and goes quite quickly...
Hi Toby, you won't regret buying it ... or building it! The fuselege is easy enough to get together with some care and dry-fitting, it's the only way to make he corrugations convincing...
I couldn't resist adding a few details without glue just to see if they fitted... looking like something now...
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Regards,
Marc
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Looking really good, I keep gettig tempted by this.
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Hi Ken, the more I do, the more I like it... I'm sure you will really enjoy building it!
So on to the painting. Firstly, some old school masking, stuff the holes with some tissue paper!
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Ready for paint!
Marc
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Nice project you have on the go , cockpit turned out really well 8)
Terri
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Great start; I really like what you have done with the cockpit. I look forward to seeing more.
Chris
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I am looking forward to seeing this one with the colors applied! Really nice work to date!
RAGIII
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Good work Marc.
Cheers
Martin
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Hi Terri, Chris, Rick and Martin, Thank You all for checking in, the encouragement keeps the project going!
I did get some paint on... But just a little aside about my interpretation (and I emphasize my opinion only) on the chosen colour scheme: 3 nice clear B&W photies in the Windsock Datafile page 20 and a description on page 32 appear of this very airframe, we're not always that lucky to get so much info! The underside is described as being "White pigment" and the tail surfaces too.. but I see in the colour notes the author says the white may be faded light blue as the airframe stood outside in the winter... the tail surfaces appear much whiter in the pics than the underside... So as a kind of compromise I added a touch of light grey to the underside colour and made the tail surfaces whiter.. my choice, mea culpa!
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/IMG_4026.jpg)
Now I need to let it dry well, mask off the white areas and carry on, it will take a little while as it's unusually cold and rainy here...
Regards,
Marc
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Looking very nice Marc.
Des.
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Looks great to my eyes!
RAGIII
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Looks great to my eyes!
RAGIII
Mine too! The Junkers is really shaping up nicely, Marc. I think this model
for instance, would be a great one for Roden to do in 1/32 as I couldn't see
WnW interested in it. Good work, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Ernie, Thanks for the kind words! This subject would be ideal for 1/32, but I don't think WNW would go for it - all their subjects seem to aircraft actually used in action, this may be a bit "What if" for them, even if we disagree! But perhaps Roden will do it... one day...
Hi Rick, Thank You for checking in, it helps keep the enthusiasm going!
Hi Des, your support is always very welcome...
And so we're into masking, masking and more tape... Then spaying the first topside colour... and note the photos look nothing like the colour in real life! Here I used Tamiya Acrylic purple with just a dash of light grey, it looks more mauvey-purple in real life, here it looks royal blue! Colour balance and all that!
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Aah well, Onwards!
Marc
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Beautyful colours Marc.
Cheers
Martin
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Looking really good in the purple/mauve. What did you use for it?
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The colour looks pretty good on my computer Marc, looking forward to seeing more.
Des.
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You are making great progress. I am sure your one to one eye sees the color better than I can on my computer so go with what you see in person.
RAGIII
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Hi Martin! Thanks for the vote of confidence in the colour!
Hi Toby, I use Tamiya Acrylics for spraying, this was 8 parts Purple X-16 and one part Light Grey XF-66 just to tone it down a bit, thinned with Tamiya acrylic thinners and I always add a bit of Clear X-22 just to make the paint flow nicely when airbrushing...
Thank You for checking in, Des, once on the site the photos actually change and look closer to real life! Something I can't explain...
Hi Rick, Thank You for the positive comments, I for one can vouch for colours coming up differently on different computer screens, this one is a great example!
So I continued on the wing camo - there is a green in a random, sprayed pattern, so I mixed a fairly bright green, 9 parts XF-5 to one part X-8 just to lighten it a bit and sprayed it pretty random with a feather edge, maybe a bit exaggerated, but it helps the effect in the end! To my surprise, in spite of the bright, lightened colours there's a bit of dulling after spraying, I will keep this in mind if ever I do a WNW DFW, for example!
Herewith a photo, the gloss in the green gives some strange reflections, this will go after clear coats and decals etc...
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/IMG_4106.jpg)
And the colours used...
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Now to wait for it to dry, then mask and paint the fuselage...
Regards,
Marc
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So moving on... More masking on the wings, now it's a "tape special!". Then a coat of red-brown on the fuselage - the only hint to this colour is "Chocolate Brown", now is that dark chocolate, milk chocolate or the more creamy kind? So this is my choice... that very visible seam along the top edge of the fuselage is visible on the real plane too....
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Now to let it dry..
Regards,
Marc
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Very nice job on spraying the random green patches! Your choice of brown looks good to me. I am looking forward to your next update!
RAGIII
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Very nice job on spraying the random green patches! Your choice of brown looks good to me. I am looking forward to your next update!
RAGIII
Yep, just what I was thinking. Well done, Marc.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Rick, Hi Ernie, thank you both for checking in and the encouragement, it's appreciated! Now on to one of my favorite moments in a build: taking all the masking off, it's just good to see all the different colours! I was quite surprised to see the masking over the corrugations was quite neat, in places better than the original aircraft! The small irregularities don't worry me.. I also think the contrast between the underside off-white and the tailplane white came out as I wanted... Now to let it dry for quite a while before clear coating, and then the most testing part of the build, getting the decals to behave over the corrugations!
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Regards,
Marc
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Lovely painting job, Marc. Great to see you taking on this build again.
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Your painting is excellent Marc, this is turning into a really great looking model.
Des.
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Beautiful painting at all Marc. Looks lovely.
Cheers
Martin
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Looks terrific Marc! The decal work is certainly going to be challenging with all of those corrugations. I am sure you will overcome!
RAGIII
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Very nice work, Marc. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Nice work Marc, the paint looks just fine.
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Excellent paint work, Mark!
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Przemo,Bud, Oldalbie, Rick, Martin and Des, Thank you all for commenting and the encouragement, it makes the project a lot more fun! I haven't made visible progress, but I have coated the whole model in clear, twice, letting it dry properly after each coat... I think this is very important as it does three things: provide a shiny surface for the decals to stick too, protect the paint from the copious amount of decal setting solution needed, and yes, even fill the corrugations a bit to give me half a chance of getting the decals to seat properly... Herewith photograph, the colours look more like real life now...
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/IMG_4143.jpg)
As they say, if there's no photograph it didn't really happen!
Regards and Happy Modelling,
Marc
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Looks very nice Marc. Good luck with the decals... that can indeed be trying!
Chris
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Looks very nice Marc. Good luck with the decals... that can indeed be trying!
Chris
I agree completely. The decals have been trying for many Modelers I have seen doing this kit. Patience and a lot of setting solution :o
RAGIII
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Hi Rick and Chris, I'm certainly going to take your good advice regarding the decals to heart! But it certainly looks doable in spite of the fragile decals, a few touch-ups may be needed, and I will take it slow...
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Enjoy your modelling!
Marc
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Looks good so far !
RAGIII
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Very nice!
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Nice work with the decals.
Des
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Great work! I really like the way you`ve painted her ;)
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Hi Des, Bigblue, Rick and Filip, Thank you for checking in and the encouragement. Yes, this project is progressing slowly, the decals are fragile, need lots of soaking in setting solution, and gentle teasing into place, repeat, and yes, there are small areas of damage I will have to touch up, but now I have the upper wing decals on and the other side of the fin, let's hope we can get things moving!
Regards,
Marc
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Brilliant work with the decals, Marc! Those Roden decals are horrible under the best of circumstances, smooth, glossy surface and so on, but you've worked a miracle getting them to settle over those corrugations.
Cheers,
Bud
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Even though I have a nice bunch of Roden`s models in my stash I haven`t got any experience with the decals but from what I`ve heard they`re the worst aspect of their models...
Great job with the decals!
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Your model is looking excellent Marc and congratulations on the success with applying the Roden decals. I have built every 1:32 scale WW1 Roden aircraft kit and managed to use the kit decals on all of them.
Des.
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Brilliant work with the decals, Marc! Those Roden decals are horrible under the best of circumstances, smooth, glossy surface and so on, but you've worked a miracle getting them to settle over those corrugations.
Cheers,
Bud
Bud is right on in his assessment! Miracle is correct!
RAGIII
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Brilliant work with the decals, Marc! Those Roden decals are horrible under the best of circumstances, smooth, glossy surface and so on, but you've worked a miracle getting them to settle over those corrugations.
Cheers,
Bud
Bud is right on in his assessment! Miracle is correct!
RAGIII
I would say so! I have had a hard enough time with Roden's decals on a smooth
surface. :P Brilliant work, Marc!!
Cheers,
Ernie
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Marc,
I'll say it's brilliant work, my first step with Roden decals, after trying them several times, is straight to the waste can! Add the fact that you're working on a corrugated surface and it is indeed a miracle you're performing!
Nicely done all round. 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi, Bud, Rick, Des, Lance, Ernie and Xmald, I must admit I had a real good chuckle about the quality of Roden decals! Well, to be quite honest, I think they are usable but poor, there are times with older decals that they simply won't work, and there are numerous problems: I have to confess I've hit a few of them: I now need quite a bit of touch-up both black and white. There may just be some silvering too, and this I will struggle to get vaguely right. Only now do I spot some register problems too.. Oh why can't they be Cartograph decals?? Anyway, the decals are all on, the soak-in-setting-solution phase is under way, I need to do some more gentle manual teasing into the grooves... Ah! The life of a modeller! Herewith latest pic...
All the Best,
Marc
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A trick I found with roden decals is get them hot and blast them with a heat source (hair dryer, mini gas torch soldering iron etc.) If you can get them hot enough they settle quite well, only problem is not melting the rest of the model !!!
Cheers
Andrew
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Hi Andrew! Yes, I do try the hairdryer trick as well! Thanks for checking in...
Well, I have finally called it a day with the decals, I pampered them, flooded them with setting solutions and then even tried the hairdryer... Then I just washed all the muck off, touched up the decals in the worst spots and shot it with some acrylic varnish... this will be close to my final finish, fairly shiny as it's a newish plane... I also need to do a little touch up with the red-brown where the masking chipped things a bit - not serious. The prop, tailplane and exhaust are dry fitted, otherwise sure as nuts I'll knock them off while doing other stuff...
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/IMG_4537.jpg)
Then I started on all the other detail bits and undercarriage, I need to clean them up and paint them and then attach, I also need to find some Axial decals for the prop, I always like adding them and I think I have spare somewhere....
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/IMG_4538.jpg)
Regards, Enjoy your modelling!
Marc
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Your Junkers is really loking the part now! Not far to go on this one!
RAGIII
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Well done with the decals Marc, the D.I is looking brilliant.
Des.
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The decals look fantastic, Marc! Excellent work.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great job with decals!! I only used serial text from roden. Crosses were, if remember correctly from dragon or eduard. Still had hard time sitting on corrucated surface. :)
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Thank You, Rick Des and Bud for your encouraging comments and vote of confidence! There is quite a lot of compromise in the decalling phase, I just hope it doesn't show!
What a great Junkers, Mikko! Looks very good! Next time I'll find some other decals too... I don't fancy masks on the corrugated surface either...
Well, while the paint on the oversized and under-detailed Spad dries, I went back to this one... I got the undercarriage bits together and the headrest, checked they fitted (sort of) then painted them all in the green mix I had saved... Also thinned and trimmed the troughs that protect the engine from machine-gun debris and painted them... Some progress at last!
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/img_4784.jpg)
Regards,
Marc
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Small but fine progress, Marc. It looks like the end is looming, isn't it?
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Good to see you moving on this one. You are getting close now!
RAGIII
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Hi Przemo! Hi Rick! Thank You for checking in and yes, the end is near! But I just seem to get stuck on some stupid details and some brain fade on my part. This particular aircraft had some Junkers Co letters on the wheel covers, they look very hand painted in Old German Script and I just couldn't paint them in acrylics - the paint just clumped and dried too quickly. So I left it for a while and then I remembered the old days - we hand painted enamels OK... so I went out and bought some and mixed these two colours together, thinned them then tried to copy the script in the photos... still not great but OK for me!... Just need to paint the tires now...
(http://i383.photobucket.com/albums/oo274/Marcleon_photos/IMG_4856.jpg)
Regards,
Marc
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Wow, Marc. Lovely. I would have never achieved such an effect with handpainting.
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Very nice results! Far better than I could have done.
RAGIII
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Looks great Marc!
Cheers,
Gary
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Great work on the scripts! Did you use a brush or something like a quill pen?
Steve
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Just caught up with this one. This is a super model all round - never mind the transfers they look good in the photos!. The hand -painted script looks very convincing too - if the originals were hand painted it does not matter if yours is not perfect - it is realistic!
Stephen.
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WoW you are very skilled modeller!
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Thank You Everyone for the great comments - I can definitely feel a blush coming on - it might be OK but I think I got away with it as the original was hand-painted... As Steve asked, I can explain a little how I did it... The paint needs to be thinned quite a lot... I use our local White Spirit but equivalents are easy to find everywhere - try Windsor & Newton - and then I use a fine brush - "0" White Taklon Round... I practice a few times on scrap - the paint must flow as much as possible but the edges must not "blur", then it's too thin... The mixture dries quite quickly, so don't hesitate to stop, clean your brush and mix new paint... Herewith a photo .. interesting as both are local products from South Africa...
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Regards,
Marc
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Marc,
Stunning work my friend!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Many thanks Marc for the explanation. However, I suppose we all know the theory quite well :-) But it is in practice, where the difference lies. You have done a fine paint job!
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I know it's late to comment but when I did my roden junkers I put the crosses on and noticed they weren't confirming well to the corrugations. Knowing roden decals and figuring I would probably have to touch up anyway I sliced down each corrugation with a razor blade before the were dry. Then soaked with a bunch of micro set and the blowdryer. Yes it did require touching up the black with thinned black acryl paint but I also left some voids to simulate paint chipping/weathering. You plane looks very nice hope to see you post more.
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Looking really good, sorry I am late to your build
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Nice work. I see what you mean about the decals. I shall take my time with them