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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: PrzemoL on August 02, 2012, 04:40:32 AM
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I have just started a new project - Hisso SE5a from Roden with Part PE. I plan to build the famous Mc Cudden's mount.
The interior is almost ready for closing
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Przemol,
What wait a minute that can't be so. If I hadn't read your description I would have been completely convinced I was looking a 1/48 scale project underway.OUTSTANDING P.E. work my old friend and an extra tip of the hat for such artwork in 1/72 scale. I can hardly wait to see your next awesome update .
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Amaaaaaaaaaazing.
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Truly brilliant, Prez. Off to an amazing start.
Cheers,
Bud
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Absolutely amazing work, and in 1:72 scale, incredible.
Des.
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Thanks, gentlemen.
Red Baron, I should have said, that the fuselage walls had to be thinned substantially before this nice truss fitted inside.
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Przemol,
I have seen many pretty impressive builds in 1/72; this one tips me right over the edge. The clean and crisp work along with the degree of detail is simply mind blowing.......nicely done and compliments on your considerable skills!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello PrzemoL,
Nice start... how is the fit of the PE , do you have to remove some plastic for the fitting.
I got this kit ( SE5a ) and was planing to orders the photo-etch from Part, I am happy to follow you and see your experience.
Usually I order my PE from model-art.eu, but they are always pretty long before ( to send or sending ) my order were do buy your photo-etch.
Have a nice modeling times
Marc P
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Thanks, Lance and Marc.
Marc, to fit this interior one has to thin quite substantially the walls of the fuselage. Also the turtledeck in front of the cockpit requires thinning, especially to have enough space for the Vickers over the instrument panel.
I am lucky to live in Poland, home of Part. I order their products in their flag-shop: Jadar in Warsaw. The delivery is never later than a couple of days after the order is placed.
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Your skill in this scale is mind-numbing PrzemoL. I'm in awe of your sharpness and detailing of these little beauties!!
Andrew
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Thanks, Andrew.
Some progress - the fuselage is closed. Roden seem to beat the record with this one - they split it into 7 elements and the lower wings bring the eighth. The latter required serious surgery to fit the bottom of the internal truss. I have also replaced the chin element with a PE part.
The fit of all these elements is not bad but far from perfect, too. Filling and sanding is the name of the day now.
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I'm amazed also. :)
I find it difficult enough adding detail for a 1:48.
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1/72? I can't do as well in 1/32! Brilliant effort, PrzemoL
Dal.
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Well done!! Amazing for 1/72
Steve
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Thank you, gentlemen.
Every joint required treatment with CA glue as a putty. But for now this job is done, panel lines rescribed at corrected locations, holes for the rigging drilled. The body is now ready for painting.
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What? PART pe that fits inside the fuselage?
No kidding! ;D
PrzemoL, if I may ask: how do you plan to treat the triangular areas that were covered by celluloid to view/inspect the cables? I'm not a fan of the decals that Roden included for this, but I honestly can't see a better solution in this small of a scale short of micro-surgery, etc. I'd be interested and intrigued to see the solution you might take on this being a fan of your builds being a 1/72nd fan myself. 8)
Warren
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What? PART pe that fits inside the fuselage?
No kidding! ;D
PrzemoL, if I may ask: how do you plan to treat the triangular areas that were covered by celluloid to view/inspect the cables? I'm not a fan of the decals that Roden included for this, but I honestly can't see a better solution in this small of a scale short of micro-surgery, etc. I'd be interested and intrigued to see the solution you might take on this being a fan of your builds being a 1/72nd fan myself. 8)
PrzemoL,
I struggled with the aileron and elevator inspection panels in 1/32 Scale, I can't even imagine working on them in 1/72! If you indeed have a method in mind I'll be watching very closely......if anyone can succeed at this I'm thinking it's you based on your previous work.
Cheers, (and good luck! ;))
Lance
Warren
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The inspection panels... I am sorry to disappoint you but I have no good idea for them. Microsurgery is surely beyond my skill. I plan to imitate the interior by painting it and then use the panel rims from the kit decals. I have tried something similar on my recently build Camel and it is fine forme, though definitely far from perfectness...
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I can't think of any good way 'round that either Przemol. I'll have to go look at your old Camel build.
Thanks!
Warren
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The inspection panels... I am sorry to disappoint you but I have no good idea for them. Microsurgery is surely beyond my skill. I plan to imitate the interior by painting it and then use the panel rims from the kit decals. I have tried something similar on my recently build Camel and it is fine forme, though definitely far from perfectness...
PrzemoL,
If you have or can get access to the newest Albatros Publications Windsock Worldwide Magazine (Volume 28, No. 4, July/August 2012) there is an excellent approach to solving this problem in a Build Log for the 1:48 Roden SE5a by Lance Krieg. I think it would work in 1/72 if done carefully. If this Magazine is not available to you let me know, I should be able to PDF the basics for you.
Cheers,
Lance
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Ahhh yes, I must check that issue out, Lance Krieg has sure put out some fine articles. I fondly remember sharing a libation with him at the Atlanta IMPS Nats with other members of the WWI Modeling List. Good times. :)
Warren
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Warren,
His "Sidekick" Dr. Tom Morgan, was at the Western Regionals this year and I had a couple or more libations with him as I picked his brain. Seems these two Modelling Giants are fairly human after all...................
Cheers,
Lance
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Lance, I would very much appreciate a pdf-compilation presenting the Lance Krieg's ideas.
And many thanks, everybody, for your interest in my build.
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Lance, I would very much appreciate a pdf-compilation presenting the Lance Krieg's ideas.
And many thabnks, everybody, for your interest in my build.
PrzemoL,
I have a jpeg file ready to go. Send me a PM at [email protected] , I'll reply with the attachment.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks again, Lance!
Though the ideas by Lance Krieg's seem feasible, I will rather not risk such a method this time. I am especially afraid to do it on the very thin tailplane.
And recently some paint job has been done:
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Brilliant work, Prez! How did you get the PC10 wrap-around so tight? The inspection panels look just fine. What did you use? Doesn't look like the kit supplied decals to me.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking terrific! cant believe it is 1/72nd!
RAGIII
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Amazing 1/72 scale work. Bravo.
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Prezmol,
Simply put she's amazing my old friend. It never fails to impress me with the quality of work in each and every project from your bench. Tip O' Hat and Well Done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Candy to my eyes, Prez!
I name you Lord Of The Sprues :D
BVB
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Absolutely gorgeous paintwork on the undersides Prez, as usual!
Ian
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Thank you, gentlemen. You are far too kind with me.
Bud, I have first painted and shaded CDL undersurfaces, then drew the outline of the wings and tailplane on the paper to use them as templates to prepare masks (from Tamiya masking tape) by drawing the proper lines a little bit inside the outlines to cater for the "return" of PC10. Then with the masks on the model I airbrushed PC10.
As for the inspection panels, I have just painted them. There will be some more touches like the pulleys imitation (I still have to decide if I will use some decals or just paint them. The original kit decals are unfortunately useless, since they have white background.
In the meantime some more steps were taken - shading of PC10 and some decals. I still have to enliven the upper side inspection panels (shading, wash) and shade the decals. I also had to remove the rudder, the kit decals are too small so I will have to paint it.
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PrzemoL, I am curious to know (and you may have already stated it elsewhere and I've missed it), but how did you accomplish the painting/shading of the wing's ribs on both top and bottom? Could you, or would you mind explaining your method for this please?
Thanks!
Warren
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Warren,thanks for your interest. No secrets here.
Bottom: preshading with black permanent pen along the ribs, airbrushed CDL, airbrushed shading along the ribs with a mix of clear and brown (about 10:1).
Top: airbrushed PC10, then Aizu 0.4mm tape stripes over the ribs, then airbrushed shading with a mix of clear and black (also about 10:1)
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Thanks PrzemoL! I'm always interested in finding out the techniques different people use so I can try them out. I like the results of your technique as it's subtle, understanted, etc. I sometimes feel pre-shading, etc. is over done at times, but hey . . . . it's art, right? ???
I'll have to look Aizu tape. Taping ribs (and riblets) in 1/72 is tedious work.
Warren
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Excellent work. Thanks for the tips!!
Steve
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great work przemol you always were the master of 1/72.
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As usual, the quality of your craftsmanship is superb.
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Thank you, gentlemen.
I sometimes feel pre-shading, etc. is over done at times, but hey . . . . it's art, right? ???
I'll have to look Aizu tape. Taping ribs (and riblets) in 1/72 is tedious work.
Warren, I do not fully agree with modelling being art. Not wishing to open a can of worms, I just wish to express my though that scale modelling may use art techniques but should always tend to imitate the reality as well as possible.
I'll have to look Aizu tape. Taping ribs (and riblets) in 1/72 is tedious work.
Even with Aizu tape it is tedious. Here I spent some 2 hours cutting the strips, weakening the adhesive and attaching them to the model surface only to airbrush for some 15 minutes. But Aizu makes life easier, it is true. I recommend this tape to everybody.
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My favourite stage of any biplane build - a monoplane ;)
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The inspection panels were finally made by painting and decaling of black circles later covered with a coat of clear gloss. There is also some shading around the tapes forming the triangles.
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Beautifully painting.
One wing is good, two wings looks better, three wings is superb. Make three ;D
Adam.
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Very sharp!!!
Steve
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superb paintwork Przemol!
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Some very nice work indeed Przemol - you make her look good as a mono ;)
Andrew
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Absolutely awesome paintwork, Prez. Looks like a WNW SE ('cept it's a Hisso).
Cheers,
Bud
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Thank you, everybody.
Adam, SE5a triplane... Pity, RAF did not try it ;) Though, I will better leave the triplane for you - you are doing very well with your build!
Bud, is WNW's SE5a not a Hisso version by a chance???
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Prez, not being a 1/32 modeler I can't say with absolute certainty, but I'm pretty sure that the WNW kit is a Viper and the Roden kit is a Hisso.
Cheers,
Bud
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WNW's SE.5a is indeed a 'Hisso':
http://wingnutwings.com/ww/product?productid=3
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Some more progress - I glued the interplane struts and to keep the proper geometry I have arranged a rather primitive but quite efficient jig made of card-board pieces cut to the shape using the scale drawings and fixed to the base using blobs of Uhu Tac Patafix. After positioning the struts I glued them one after another, always waiting for the glue at the previous one to set before proceeding to the next one, not to spoil their arrangement.
Tomorrow I will try to remove gently the Patafix and put the upper wing on the struts.
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Simple but effective!!
Steve
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Yes it is very simply and good method.
Adam.
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The lines for cabane rigging were glued into the predrilled holes...
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before the upper wing jumped on its place.
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First test fitting proved that all the cabane struts are about 0.5mm too short (it may well be that the upper wing sits too high), so lengthening them will be the next step - this one tomorrow.
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Or is it lack of top wing dihedral?
Steve
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No, it is not the dihedral problem. The upper wings were checked against the scale drawings from WDS (and so were the lower ones) and they all seem to fit.
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This was probably the hardest modelling evening in my life. Though it started nicely - I have lengthened the cabane struts, sanded the joints, painted, trimmed and attached them without any fuss. But the nightmare began when attaching the incidence rigging. I was manouvering with tweezers and suddenly noticed, that they somehow kicked out one of interplane struts. Still no idea, how this happened but this started the avalanche. I tried to reattach this strut, again with the tweezers in my right hand and then the left hand grip got loose and the model dropped. Just a couple of centimeters but this was enough to lose the entire undercarriage. When trying to fix these two disasters I realised all the remaining struts began to get loose in their sockets, one after another. I had to struggle with a will to throw the model to the bin. It was probably my wife who saved it. She was just sitting at the other end of the room and her pure presence saved this damned model. Well, it took me almost three hours to repair the damage and also to finish the cabane and incidence rigging. I will call it the day. A hard day...
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Great job on the save, Prez. She is still absolutely stunning. It's amazing how these lovely women in our lives can have such a calming effect.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great save, and well worth it.
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Great save, and bully for your patient wife/SWMBO.
Warren
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I admire your patience. It certainly paid off.
Steve
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Yours patience is great ;D
Adam.
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Nice save there, your patience was worth it - we'll done ;)
Andrew
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Well, many thanks, everybody. If I were patient, I would not report the disaster at all, I would just sit down quietly and repair it...
It's amazing how these lovely women in our lives can have such a calming effect.
Absolutely right, Bud, absolutely right...
And some news from the front - the rigging was done yesterday, only it was late and I was too tired to take photos. Next stage will be filling the holes in the upper wing. The end of this project seems to be within a grasp.
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So, here is the rigging done, exhausts are on their places, too.
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I have also started filling the holes on the upper wing upper side - with a dense green paint, now waiting until it is dried completely to delicately sand it flush.
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Super. Nice wiew.
Adam.
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She`s a beauty! What paint or mix of paints have you used for PC10?
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PrzemoL,
I have used the method of rigging you do (drilling through the wing) once before*, but was very frustrated at repairing any chips, etc. in the finish afterward. I have thought to do as you have done here, and just not finish the upper wing, rigging, and then finish it afterward, but have thought it would be too difficult.
- How difficult, or frustrating, do you find this method?
- Any tricks, hints, tips, etc. you can give me/us in utilizing this, especially when it comes to the finishing the upper wing once all is together?
I am very interested in this, especially since, like you, I only work in 1/72nd.
Thanks!
Warren
*I've only completed one kit since coming back to building, but have 3-4 in various stages of construction, and I'd like to get them started again. 8)
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Thanks again, everybody.
xmald - I am using Pactra acrylic paints. For PC10 I usually take their A30 named just FS34087.
WarrenD - this method of rigging I use is indeed frustrating. Filling the holes with dense paint using a sharpened toothpick end and sanding it usually requires several tries. This time I was satisfied only after 4 times. The last one, by the way, was done already on the PC10 sprayed and coated with clear gloss to receive decals. I realised that some of the holes were still too visible. So I used dense pigmented drops of my PC10 taken from the very bottom of the paint jar. After drying I have used 1200 sanding paper to delicately flush-sand them. (For earlier tries, when the finish colour layer in not yet on I use also coarser sandpaper, 600 or so)
I will say it again, this method tends to be troublesome, it also inevitably stresses the entire rigged wing cellule structure. However, the risk of damage can be reduced if one holds the upper wing by leading and trailing edges as close to the sanded area as possible.
The point is that I got accustomed to this method and I cannot imagine using any other in 72nd scale.
The last photo from the build - Aizu strips on the top wing - all waiting for the final shading.
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Then the final details were added and it is finished now.
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Thanks PrzemoL, you confirmed some of my concerns in utilizing this method. As I said, it had crossed my mind before to do it this way, but had not run into anyone who did.
Now, another question. I see where you've taped the upper surface of the upper wing:
- I assume this tape will not lift the decals you have applied?
- I can see your shading on the PC10 finish, but not on the decals. Is this a trick of the light or photo, or did you not "shade" the decals as well?
Great build too my friend!
Warren
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Thanks, Warren.
The Taiya or Aizu tape has to have the adhesive weakened if you want to be sure it will not peel off decals or paint. I do it by sticking it several times to my finger or forehead - whatever has more grease...
The decals are shaded, though it is more visible on white background than ultramarine. It is so even when I passed the airbrush stream just twice over white and 4-5 times with more smokey mix of clear and black over the darker colours.
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Another one of your miniature masterpieces, Prez. Absolutely gorgeous. One of your best.
Cheers,
Bud
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Quite stunning... As someone with F.F.S. (fat finger syndrome) I admire anyone who works so beautifully in 1/72nd in fact anyone who works in 1/72nd at all ;D
She's a real gem.
Keith
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Thank you, gentlemen. I am glad you like it.
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Przemol yours model is fantastic like yours others, which I saw before.
Adam.
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What the others have said. Brilliant. Congratulations!
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Thanks, Adam and UncleTony. Greatly appreciated...