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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: TobyCoulson on January 07, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
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I'm building the weekend version using decals from Pheon depicting a captured DV.
(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s373/tobycoulson/Model%20aircraft/Eduard%20Albatros%20DV/IMG_5478_zps7f27twj0.jpg)
(http://i1048.photobucket.com/albums/s373/tobycoulson/Model%20aircraft/Eduard%20Albatros%20DV/IMG_5477_zps5p13nikc.jpg)
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Toby,
This promises to be an excellent project my friend. Very much looking forward to the first progress.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Though I`m not very fond of planes in foreign service this Albie looks so interesting I`m going to follow your thread with a great pleasure!
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(http://s19.postimg.org/zaip4xakz/IMG_5482.jpg)
I painted the interior with Vallejo natural wood and then added an Uschi van der Rosten plywood grain transfer.. I will attempt to highlight the struts inside.
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Toby,
You have achieved a nice tone with your representation of the wood! Well done.
RAGIII
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Toby,
You have achieved a nice tone with your representation of the wood! Well done.
RAGIII
I agree with my amigo, Toby!
Cheers,
Bud
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A sepia wash to highlight the ribbing.
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Not sure what the silver flecks are on the top half but only just noticed them.
Work started on the engine. Seems quite detailed but I think I may treat myself to one of the more specialised resin kits available for another build but for the life of me I can't remember who makes them. Anyone know who I'm referring to?
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Toby,
Excellent wood paint my friend. Beautiful shade.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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You can try Karaya or Vector for a replacement engine . Pavla ? if this spelt right . Has a replacement one as well . Taurus models might have one . They are list in the market section .
Terri
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You have made a great start with this build Toby, I will be following along closely.
Des.
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You can try Karaya or Vector for a replacement engine . Pavla ? if this spelt right . Has a replacement one as well . Taurus models might have one . They are list in the market section .
Terri
Lovely thanks.
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Engine painted.
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A great start, Toby!
The Vector, Karaya, and Pavla motors are all better detailed than Eduard's, but the Eduard motor is undersized, so if you get a replacement motor, you may have to do a little surgery on the front end of the kit to make it fit.
Drew
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A great start, Toby!
The Vector, Karaya, and Pavla motors are all better detailed than Eduard's, but the Eduard motor is undersized, so if you get a replacement motor, you may have to do a little surgery on the front end of the kit to make it fit.
Drew
Drew is correct in his statement. I don't think any are a drop in replacement. Another Good option comes with the Roden Fokker DVII kits. They offer a BMW and a Mercedes which are better detailed than the Eduard kit. As with the resin engines they are larger and more true to scale so will require a little adapting. I might have a Roden Mercedes in the stash, not sure but I will check. If I do you are welcome to it.
RAGIII
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A great start, Toby!
The Vector, Karaya, and Pavla motors are all better detailed than Eduard's, but the Eduard motor is undersized, so if you get a replacement motor, you may have to do a little surgery on the front end of the kit to make it fit.
Drew
Drew is correct in his statement. I don't think any are a drop in replacement. Another Good option comes with the Roden Fokker DVII kits. They offer a BMW and a Mercedes which are better detailed than the Eduard kit. As with the resin engines they are larger and more true to scale so will require a little adapting. I might have a Roden Mercedes in the stash, not sure but I will check. If I do you are welcome to it.
RAGIII
I do have the Roden kit somewhere so I'll go down that route but many thanks for your very kind offer. I'm going to stay with the Eduard engine on this kit but will definitely upgrade on future ones.
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Some more work on the interior cockpit panels.
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I came to the conclusion that I'm going to stay with the kit engine but thought I'd add what I believe is an oil line.
I'll bend it into shape and hopefully it'll enhance the build even if it won't be visible.
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Nice wood work on those frames Toby! our engine is coming along nicely.
RAGIII
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Pipe added to engine. I've seen it in black and copper so went for copper but as it won't be seen doesn't really matter
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Dayglo red undercoat for the yellow top coat. I always use this approach for yellow as it gives it more body than just spraying onto primer.
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I initially used RLM4 for the yellow but it looked too bright and Pheon's excellent guide suggest it was in fact duller(in fact in could be many things) so I added about 10% RLM2 and it gave a duller tone which I'm pretty happy with.
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Looking great so far Toby.
Des.
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Looking good! Does the kit fit so well that it can be painted before assembly? With my clumsiness I always seem to need filler on kits that all other people can do without! :)
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Looking good! Does the kit fit so well that it can be painted before assembly? With my clumsiness I always seem to need filler on kits that all other people can do without! :)
No need for filler. Maybe only a bit of sanding down hopefully
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I used RLM66 for the blue as it seemed very close to then Pheon recommendation.
(http://s19.postimg.org/a5snhslhv/IMG_5579.jpg)
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Looking great, Toby! (I took your advice and signed up!)
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Looking great, Toby! (I took your advice and signed up!)
It's a great place to be in. You learn so much and there's so many good modellers to help you out.
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Colour looks good -isn't that RLM76? I thought 66 was that dark cockpit interiour color...?
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Colour looks good -isn't that RLM76? I thought 66 was that dark cockpit interiour color...?
Oops. Good spot. Typo ::)
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Colour looks good -isn't that RLM76? I thought 66 was that dark cockpit interiour color...?
Oops. Good spot. Typo ::)
Actually it's RLM 65 I used so it was a typo just the wrong one. ;)
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Most of the cockpit is finished. I went for a seat from Barracuda over the one that comes with the kit.
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I read elsewhere that the control column in this kit is too long and needed about 3mm taking off it so I did. I'm learning. It's a slow process but I'll get there...............hopefully :)
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I also decided to paint the wood in the engine compartment darker as I thought that oil and petrol would've stained it. I may be wrong. It wouldn't be the first time ::)
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Everything is coming together quite nicely Toby. The barracuda seat looks like an excellent replacement part!
RAGIII
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It's taking a good way!
Xan
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Really nice work so far 8)
Terri
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Looking good so far Toby.
Cheers
Pete.
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Very good work.
Cheers
Martin
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Cockpit now finished.
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Beautiful job on the interior and engine, Toby. She's coming along very nicely.
Cheers,
Bud
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That engine came out just fine!
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Some weathering on the panel lines and the first roundel goes .
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Nice! Already a bit of a looker! 8)
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Nice! I like that scheme, too.
Drew
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What Drew said , very nice !
Terri
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Beautiful job on the interior and engine, Toby. She's coming along very nicely.
Cheers,
Bud
Not unusual, but I agree with my Amigo 100%
RAGIII
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Bottom wing now on but I've just realised that I need to make a template for the Aviattic lozenge decals I've got so that should've been done beforehand ::)
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On a more positive note I have started to make the templates for the top wing. I will cut out the plastic sheet underneath and make sure it's a bit bigger giving me some spare to play with.
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If the worst comes to the worst I do have lozenge decals from another Eduard DV but I'd much rather use the Aviattic ones. Personal pride and all that.
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Nice job so far.you have made much progress since the last time I checked in.I was reading above about the engine debate so I thought I would clarify.there is no good Mercedes d.iii engines for the Eduard/special hobby/etc kits in 1/48. The Roden d.vii engine won't fit without major surgery. The pavla and vector engines are based on the Roden engine block but spruced up to look better .Karaya does a Mercedes which is based on the Eduard block but to me is only a little better than the Eduard and has a couple of weird things about it. Someday maybe a company will do a series 160hp d.iii/ 180hp d.iiia /200hp d.iiiau for 1/48 that will fit Eduard/etc kits and we will be saved.til then we have to just detail the Eduard engines or chop up the kit to make the vector/rodens work.cheers
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That really looks great!
Just a head's up: the tailplane alignment is often off from the lower wing on these Eduard kits.
Drew
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Thanks Drew. I must admit trying to work out the lozenge pattern and how they marry up is going to be the most time consuming I think after the rigging so all help is gratefully welcomed.
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Nice job so far.you have made much progress since the last time I checked in.I was reading above about the engine debate so I thought I would clarify.there is no good Mercedes d.iii engines for the Eduard/special hobby/etc kits in 1/48. The Roden d.vii engine won't fit without major surgery. The pavla and vector engines are based on the Rosen engine block buy spruced up to look better .Karaya does a Mercedes which is based on the Eduard block but to me is only a little better than the Eduard and has a couple of weird things about it. Someday maybe a company will do a series 160hp d.iii/ 180hp d.iiia /200hp d.iiiau for 1/48 that will fit Eduard/etc kits and we will be saved.til then we have to just detail the Eduard engines or chop up the kit to make the vector/rodens work.cheers
I have to say I'm finding the whole engine saga fascinating. Much more fun that the WW2 fighters and Cold war jets I'm used to building where very little can be seen. I've got a Fokker EV from Eduard and an after market engine for that from CMZ for that so I'll have something to look forward to.
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Unfortunately the saga continues. The cmk resin engine which claims to be an oberursel made for the Eduard Fokker is wrong it looks like a French clerget.so in this case the Eduard engine is better than the cmk engine.try copper state ,Taurus ,or vector if you need a more detail resin oberursel 110hp
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Unfortunately the saga continues. The cmk resin engine which claims to be an oberursel made for the Eduard Fokker is wrong it looks like a French clerget.so in this case the Eduard engine is better than the cmk engine.try copper state ,Taurus ,or vector if you need a more detail resin oberursel 110hp
Damn. Thanks I thought I'd cracked it ::)
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its easy to see what i mean just google 2 things and click on the images tab.... 1.oberursel u.r.2 110hp engine..... 2. clerget 9b
then look at the cmk engine. it is definately a clerget, not really a bad one so you can use it in a sopwith camel , strutter , triplane ,a bristol m1.c,some other brit or french planes.so it will not go to waste you just use it later on another build
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Toby,
You are moving along at a great pace. Your DV is looking very nice. As for lining up the Lozenge on my 1/32nd kit I just placed the wing on top of where I wanted the center to be in the pattern and drew a light colored pencil line around the wing. I cut the lozenge out then divided it into three sections using ribs as a guide. IHTH,
RAGIIIPS: The above is of course for the trimmed and joined Lozenge sheets!
RAGIII
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Toby,
You are moving along at a great pace. Your DV is looking very nice. As for lining up the Lozenge on my 1/32nd kit I just placed the wing on top of where I wanted the center to be in the pattern and drew a light colored pencil line around the wing. I cut the lozenge out then divided it into three sections using ribs as a guide. IHTH,
RAGIIIPS: The above is of course for the trimmed and joined Lozenge sheets!
RAGIII
Thanks. It's something I'm going to take a lot of care over. What's the saying? Measure 45 times and cut once :)
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Toby,
You are moving along at a great pace. Your DV is looking very nice. As for lining up the Lozenge on my 1/32nd kit I just placed the wing on top of where I wanted the center to be in the pattern and drew a light colored pencil line around the wing. I cut the lozenge out then divided it into three sections using ribs as a guide. IHTH,
RAGIIIPS: The above is of course for the trimmed and joined Lozenge sheets!
RAGIII
Thanks. It's something I'm going to take a lot of care over. What's the saying? Measure 45 times and cut once :)
I think you have the right approach ;D
By the way I just looked at this review posted by Des:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=6662.0
Looks as though the Engine issue for a 1/48th DR1 or EV/DVIII is solved 8)
RAGIII
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Thanks for the heads up I think you can probably guess what I've just done :)
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And that is a gorgeous engine that I forgot has been recently released
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Abut to start to cut the decals but I realised that the top has 5 colour lozenge and the bottom 4 colour. The ones I ordered from Aviattic aren't quite right so I've ordered some more. If nothing else it's keeping Richard at Aviattic busy :)
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Tail now on and painted as are the m/gs which were a nightmare to fit as they didn't align correctly but I hope I've fixed that....
(http://s19.postimg.org/x7hu3l95f/IMG_5679.jpg)
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Abut to start to cut the decals but I realised that the top has 5 colour lozenge and the bottom 4 colour. The ones I ordered from Aviattic aren't quite right so I've ordered some more. If nothing else it's keeping Richard at Aviattic busy :)
Just asking here, are you sure about the 4 color Lozenge? I have not seen any 4 color on an Albatros other than in old profiles before the more learned Historians researched the pre printed fabric. Again, just asking not criticizing in any way.
RAGIII
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Abut to start to cut the decals but I realised that the top has 5 colour lozenge and the bottom 4 colour. The ones I ordered from Aviattic aren't quite right so I've ordered some more. If nothing else it's keeping Richard at Aviattic busy :)
Just asking here, are you sure about the 4 color Lozenge? I have not seen any 4 color on an Albatros other than in old profiles before the more learned Historians researched the pre printed fabric. Again, just asking not criticizing in any way.
RAGIII
I'm going by the instructions from Pheon but they do say the underside could just be a plain blue grey colour as well.
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Abut to start to cut the decals but I realised that the top has 5 colour lozenge and the bottom 4 colour. The ones I ordered from Aviattic aren't quite right so I've ordered some more. If nothing else it's keeping Richard at Aviattic busy :)
Just asking here, are you sure about the 4 color Lozenge? I have not seen any 4 color on an Albatros other than in old profiles before the more learned Historians researched the pre printed fabric. Again, just asking not criticizing in any way.
RAGIII
I'm going by the instructions from Pheon but they do say the underside could just be a plain blue grey colour as well.
Rowan has done much more study on these schemes than I have so lacking any evidence that differs I would go with his instructions.
RAGIII
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Slow progress this week as I've been out and about. The Aviattic lozenge decals are superb to work with if a little confusing on the eye but I guess that's the purpose of them ;D
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Beautiful work, Toby!
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud. I now have the exciting job off putting on rib tapes. I got some from Old Propeller that are the right scale but look odd on top of the lozenge
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Beautiful work, Toby!
Cheers,
Bud
Toby,
I agree with Bud, Beautiful Work!
RAGIII
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Ribbing now on. That was a interesting character building episode. Still I learnt a lot for the next time I do it.
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I assume ribbing is on the underside as well?
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Your tapes look great! You seemed to have done well on your learning curve!
RAGIII
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Very nicely done so far 8)
Terri
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I agree; the rib tapes look great!
Drew
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Good work.
Cheers
Martin
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Doing the underside of the top wing and I think it's best to do it in segments to aid cutting and positioning.
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The wrinkled look is because I just put them on whilst the other side has dried and been trimmed.
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Probably a wise move to do it in bits. I did do the part around the radiator from a single bolt by using a piece of masking tape as a template.
Miraculously it fitted quite well after only 2 tries!
Looks good, I really love the colours of the Aviattic Lozenge :)
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You are doing a superb job with this model Toby and the lozenge decals look great, well done.
Des.
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Now that I'm looking again, is it applied spanwise on the upper wing bottom? I did my 1/72 version in up-and-down bolts. I must admit I'm probably a bit cross-eyed after doing mine, however!
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Now that I'm looking again, is it applied spanwise on the upper wing bottom? I did my 1/72 version in up-and-down bolts. I must admit I'm probably a bit cross-eyed after doing mine, however!
Curses. You are correct. I was going by the underside of the lower wing and I assumed it would be the same for the underside of the top wing. I just checked with another DV kit I have and it is as you say. Thanks for the heads up. Oh well more business for Aviattic. ::)
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your albatros is splendid
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Now that I'm looking again, is it applied spanwise on the upper wing bottom? I did my 1/72 version in up-and-down bolts. I must admit I'm probably a bit cross-eyed after doing mine, however!
Curses. You are correct. I was going by the underside of the lower wing and I assumed it would be the same for the underside of the top wing. I just checked with another DV kit I have and it is as you say. Thanks for the heads up. Oh well more business for Aviattic. ::)
Just a note here. Although rare there were occasions when wings on the same aircraft had lozenge applied in different ways. In the Old Albatros Data File there is even one that has half of the upper wing done Spanwise and half cord wise. So unless there are clear photos it is possible, even if unlikely, that the lozenge was applied spanwise on the undersurface.
RAGIII
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Nice update.
Cheers
Martin
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true rick, i am sure isolated incidents like this did happen but in general ,as you know, chord wise lozenge application is the norm, many times if a bolt could cover a lower wing those might be spanwise.ailerons were mostly spanwise as well.and of course some aircraft like the seimens schuckert d.iii had 45 degree to the chord.may i suggest an article on the subject:
http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=87962&page=1
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Lozenges now on the correct way. One thing I did find out is that a uniform undercoat is vital as the decals are transparent and any mistakes such as over painting the surrounds of the radiator(I assumed the decals would cover this ::) )or blemishes can be seen. Not too bothered as it's underneath but will pay extra attention to make sure the topside is spot on. Next up is the ribbing which I notice is a different colour(reddish brown)as opposed to the blue on the top of the wings. Was there any reason for this?
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Wonderful wing Toby.
Cheers
Martin
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Ribbing done and a dry run on the main struts.
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Looks great, Toby.
Precision rib tape work ;) Nice!
VB
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Thanks Bob. Not sure if I'm brave enough to use some of your buckles yet. I may wait a bit longer for my skills to improve in that department.
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Looking really good Toby, awaiting the next update.
Des.
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Very good update Toby.
Cheers
Martin
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Very nice work on the tapes Toby! I am looking forward to the next update.
RAGIII
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Thanks all. Attaching the top wing is proving to be a pig of a job as I've attached the main struts and cabanes to it and aligning is proving to be very difficult. I have got he cabanes angled in but not enough it would seem. Not sure whether to glue the main struts or cabanes first. Doing them both at the same time doesn't seem to be an option and the the assembly jig I've got is too cumbersome and just gets in the way of everything. Worked fine on the SE5a though.
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very nice Toby
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Toby,
I have had success in the past with Eduard Albatri by mounting the cabanes to the fuselage and making sure they lined up properly, then attaching the Interplane struts to the upper wing allowing them to fall vertically while drying. I then turn the model upside down and attch the cabanes to the wing and pop the interplanes into the lower wing holes. I am sure you will work out your issues. Lovely work to date!
RAGIII
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Ditto what Rick said. And to add my experience: I've found drilling out the holes in the forward fuselage for the cabanes helps. Just add a little depth so the ends have a distinct hole to pop into. My experience also has been that one of the interplanes tends to be out of vertical a bit. On a couple of mine it's noticeable. I've never measured the distance between the center of the wings and the location holes, so I don't know exactly where the issue is.
Drew
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Much head scratching and air turning blue but have finally got the top wing on,engine ancillaries added and a start on the rigging. I've been using monofilament but will have to use EZ line for the nose to wing rigging as mono broke too easily with my clumsy handling. The bottom of the lower wing will be the last to put decals on for a variety of reasons. Operation cover up is taking place down there. >:(
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Looking good! Always nice to get that top wing on!
Had to fix the car and around the house, but hopefully this evening I can finish my Lozenge decals and go on to the rib tapes, as well. Thank for the inspiration :)
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Geat to see that you have managed the wing assembly! Your rigging is looking good!
RAGIII
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Looking great.
Drew
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very good
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Shaping up very nicely so far , nice job on the rigging :)
Terri
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Looking very beautiful.
Cheers
Martin
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Top wing now lozenged up. Taking a break for a week or so to build a Spitfire in a GB elsewhere as I can't multi task
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Looking very good, Toby! Brilliant work on the lozenge.
Cheers,
Bud
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That is top notch Lozenge work Toby!
RAGIII
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Lozenge looks terrific!
Drew
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very nice
beautiful job
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After a break to make an Airfix Spitfire mk lla in a GB elsewhere it's time to get on with the Albatros. Top wing decalling is now complete and just some varnish needed to hold it all together.
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Next up will be the tail assembly with control wires. Should be fun
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Looks great with the roundels on! I am looking forward to your next update!
RAGIII
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I've been away from the bench of late but back to work. Control horns now fitted on to the rear elevators and I've assembled the U/C prior to fitting to the fuselage.
I've learnt a lot during this build and I'll approach the next one quite differently. Drilling out mounting points for the U/C prior to pretty much else will be one of them as trying to do it once the wings are on is not exactly a doddle!!
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Very good work so far Toby.
Cheers
Martin
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You are doing an excellent job with this build Toby, the top wing decals look great.
Des.
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Decalling and rigging complete I used monofilament for the main rigging but had to use EZ line for the nose to wing strut as my clumsiness resulted in the mono originally used to snap. The EZ line is much more forgiving.
I just need to add the wheels,tail skid and finish off the prop and she'll be done.
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http://s14.postimg.org/u3l1gor9t/IMG_6281.jpg (http://s14.postimg.org/u3l1gor9t/IMG_6281.jpg)
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Now that is one pretty Albie! Nice work Toby.
Chris
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The Albatros is almost done. Just need to finish off the tyres. For the propeller I base coated it orange and put on a light layer of Vallejo transparent wood grain. I then varnished it. I then sprayed RAF middle stone onto clear decal paper and then cut it into thin strips and applied to the prop. Another coat of gloss varnish and a dry brush coat of Vallejo transparent wood grain followed by another coat of gloss varnish. I think I may have overdone the last coat of wood grain but hey ho what's done is done. Also I noticed that the U/C is very slightly out of kilter but it's something I'll address more closely on my next build.
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Very nicely done Toby! I don't think the prop looks overdone at all! An Albatros to be proud of for sure.
RAGIII
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Very nicely done with the model and an excellent result with the propeller.
Des.
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I'll echo the others' comments. Looks great from this seat.
Chris
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Very nicely done Toby! I don't think the prop looks overdone at all! An Albatros to be proud of for sure.
RAGIII
I agree with my amigo 100%! Prop looks great.
Cheers,
Bud