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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Hints and Tips/Questions about modeling => Topic started by: Squiffy on January 05, 2016, 12:43:34 AM
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Afternoon, chaps,
I'm looking for something to rig my 72nd scale Fee with. I've seen EZ line on the internets. It's sold as 0.15mm but it's a flat section, which is no good (besides, which is 0.15, the long or the short side?).
Does anyone know of an elastic line of the same (or up to 0.20mm) that is round in section and where, in the UK or Europe, can I purchase such a thing?
Thanks
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I understand that the lines sold by Ushi van der Rosten
http://www.uschivdr.com/shopping-categories/shop-rigging-and-various/ (http://www.uschivdr.com/shopping-categories/shop-rigging-and-various/)
is more round in profile.
I do not have them my self, but you can always ask Alex (Ushi) himself, he is always very helpfull.
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You can cut EZ Line and peel off lengthways though I have never tried this.
A tip I once got previously was stocking elastic though I cannot vouch for its effectiveness in 1/72, it may be too big.
I hope this helps, Alan.
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Uschi's rigging line is in 2 or 3 diameters and round, you should check it out. Also I personally use the 0,06mm Rigging line by Modelcasten. It is labelled as 1/48 scale but is thin enough for my eye and very easy to work with, way better than the EZ line anbd sturdier - adds at least some structural strenght and is easier to rig through holes!
best regards,
Sasho
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Squiff,
Get your hands on some...
(http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t6/blake7_11/Misc/LycraThread.jpg)
Cheap as chips and does the job.
vB
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Squiffy,
I like the Modelkasten product, the 0.6 1:48 Scale black stuff from Hobbylink Japan, about $12 US or 11 Euros for a spool of 25 M.
https://www.hlj.com/product/MDKHS-1/Air
It is much easier to use then EZ Line and takes lacquer paints well.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks for the replies, chaps.
I'm going to try Von Buckle's recommendation first.
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Squiffy,
I like the Modelkasten product, the 0.6 1:48 Scale black stuff from Hobbylink Japan, about $12 US or 11 Euros for a spool of 25 M.
https://www.hlj.com/product/MDKHS-1/Air
It is much easier to use then EZ Line and takes lacquer paints well.
Cheers,
Lance
I agree with Lance, I have been using this line for some time now and it is an excellent product, perfect for 1:32 scale even though it is marked as being 1:48 scale.
Des.
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EZ Line also loses some of its "flatness" when stretched a little. As long as you are careful not to get any CA in the wrong place, it doesn't kink, and you don't get any curvature. Sometimes with EZ line I loop it in the eyelet and tie it in a knot then trim the ends.
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Squiffy, bit late but maybe not too late -
I have the Prym line that Von B recommends but it is a rectangular section. Yes you can strip it down with care but how long a strip can be produced with a consistent section I wouldn't know. However, you say you are doing a 72nd scale so I would seriously take a look at the Ushi rigging line.
A friend has just brought some back from Telford for me - the Standard and the Fine. The 'Standard' is just two thou diameter the 'Fine' noticeably smaller and they state that the 'Superfine' is ideal for 72nd scale. (have no idea just how small that is) By comparison however - visually that is - the Prym stuff looks very heavy indeed.
I did make a mention a while back about buying the Model Kasten line in the UK. Also superb material, bought from Hobby Link Japan by the time it arrived and the duty paid the initial nine quid a roll was near twenty :o far too expensive compared to the Ushi.
Regards - Tug
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I recently bought some of the fine Uschi thread. I haven't used it yet. Is it difficult to work with?
Would it be suitable for use on a 1/48 aircraft? I'm just wondering about this because I read an article some place (don't ask me where) that suggested that in 1/72 scale, you would not be able to see any rigging on a model. If that is true, would the fine thread be more suitable for 1/48?
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I have used 0.1mm invisible sewing-in elastic thread on 1:72 scale models and once the line is painted it is quite acceptable, and for 1:48 scale I have used the Modelkasten 0.6 or 0.13mm elastic line which is black in colour, once fitted and stretched it looks really good on a 1:48 scale aircraft. Where structural integrity is required I always use monofilament (fishing line) which is available in just about any diameter you desire, easy to work, takes CA very well and is extremely strong.
Des.
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Are there any other suppliers for the Modelkasten products other than HLJ?
Mike
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Mike,
I got some from Sprue Brothers some time back but found it was priced better (for a Canadian order, postage/exchange being the big considerations) from Hobby Link.
Cheers,
Lance
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BNA Modelworld (Australia) - very reliable.
I agree, I buy most of my hobby supplies from BNA, excellent service.
Des.
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I'm wondering what folks think about this statement I read about not being able to see rigging in 1/72 scale. My gut feeling is that it is wrong. I don't have any real 1:1 scale biplanes to look at, but I'll bet that if you go stand 72 feet away from one that you will be able to see the rigging. I suppose it is a moot point, because whether you can or can't see the rigging I'm going to rig my 1/72 planes any way.
Up to now I've only used nylon monofiliment that I bought in a fabric store. It's sorta clear, so I drag it across a sharpie marker to give in a little color.
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Hi guys,
I have now tried another possibility. Nickel Silver Rod from Albion Alloys. They are available in 0.1mm, 0.2mm and 0.33mm diameter. Length is 30 centimeters, and one pack contains 6 pieces. Costs around 4,50 euro in germany. And the best is, no trouble with stretching etc. ;D I find it ideal for this scale (1/72)
Greetings from old germany
Jürgen
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Even if it might be overscale or not, seeing a 1/72 aircraft without rigging looks wrong in my eyes.
I have used 0,06 and 0,08mm fishing line up to now, but tried Ushi's Fine (the extra fine looks almost too thin in my eyes, though might be more true to scale?).
Takes a bit of getting used to, especially it being more flexible and the ends curling up when you add CA glue to it. Now that I'm nearly done with my Albatros and Fokker I seem to have gotten the hang of it, and though it does not add structural strength, it is nice stuff and less prone to breaking loose due to its flexibility. :)
The fine looks almost exactly the same in thickness/finesse on my D.Va as it does on my D.III.
Just my experiences as a first-time Ushi flexible rigging user.
Jeroen
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Squiffy,
I like the Modelkasten product, the 0.6 1:48 Scale black stuff from Hobbylink Japan, about $12 US or 11 Euros for a spool of 25 M.
https://www.hlj.com/product/MDKHS-1/Air
It is much easier to use then EZ Line and takes lacquer paints well.
Cheers,
Lance
Link shows it out of stock but I found it on Amazon from Japan.
Charlie
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I've seen EZ line on the internets. It's sold as 0.15mm but it's a flat section, which is no good
It depends!
I take it as advantage and use this flat EZ-line as good representation in 1/48 of the flat RAF-wires of British biplanes together with terminals created by help of brass micro tubes.
For normal rigging I use this Uschi threads are used with Gaspatch turnbuckles.
See my models in "Completed models" how this may look.
Cheers,
Frank
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EZ line starts as a flat section, but under tension looks more round, that or so thin you can barely tell any difference!
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Correct scale rigging in 1:72 is around .06mm for which I use 1.5lb test monofilament. 2lb test looks fine too and is easier to work with. It is around .13mm so is a lot more visible. The problem I find is that the thicker the line, the harder it is to eliminate any curve to it at the point it threads through the wing.
Here are a couple of shots of my Airfix RE8s, the first, an old build with .13mm rigging, the second a more recent one with .06mm
(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z424/Ian_Brand/003-2.jpg)
(http://i1189.photobucket.com/albums/z424/Ian_Brand/006_30.jpg)
Ian