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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Ssasho0 on July 24, 2015, 09:12:08 PM

Title: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Ssasho0 on July 24, 2015, 09:12:08 PM
Hello,

I'm just starting my next project that will include the FE2b and the P&M bike from Aviattic :) As I'm not finished with my Otsu1 (2 last parts left), I started with the small Aviattic kit first and will continue with the FE.2b itself in a week or something like that, as soon as possible!
I'm not a profilitic resin kit builder, actually this is my first resin kit ever. So far my experience with resin was limited to Taurus parts (not a whole engine), small stuff engine and Eduard's spitfire engine in 1:48, so I'm definately not acustomed to working with resin. At firts when I saw the parts I decided that it is a bite bigger, than I can chew, but after thinking about it for some time, I decided that the ebst way will be to jump into it and try, the worst can happen is to ruin the kit, but this is not like life threatening situation :)
I spent 2 days in cleaning the parts, sometimes it was hard to decide what is a part of the part and what is waste, but after some braistorming, checking images and the instructions I guessed right in 100% of the cases. When comparing the resin to the Taurus and Eduard stuff, I should say that there is way more to clean and way more bubles in it. Some parts have bubles on very delicate places and don't braking them was impossibe. Still nothing too bad, that cannot be corrected easily! I was able to brake some parts and replaced them with copper wire. I scratched some others as I decided that the white metal provided is too heavy and the resin is too fragile. Used copper microtubes for this and chemicaly blackedned them.  After the cleanup stage I primed all parts with Mr. Resin Primer and painted them with Gunze's acrylics and metalizers. I am at this particular stage so far. The resin itself is easy to work with, durable and hard to brake...if there are no bubles :( It is softer and more flexible than the Taurus one, which makes it really easy to work with.
Few words about the PE - it is probably the best PE fret, that I have ever seen! Congratulations Richard on making it as good, no idea how you did it, but it is wonderfull!
The bike's wheel looks absolutely great and the fit of the parts is good. The instruction and the additional colour brochure are of great help, but I would like to see a breakup of the parts, this would had made my life easier when deciding what is the actual part and what should be thrown away.
I will go for battered and used look of the bike. It will have some rust, some mud and some grime on it. This is still to come!
So far so good, let me show you the pictures so far. Any comments, questions or constructive criticism are most welcomed!

best regards,
Sasho

(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Ssasho0/Phelon%20and%20Moore/IMG_0305_zpswpcknuh3.jpg)

(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Ssasho0/Phelon%20and%20Moore/IMG_0312_zpsdzdnfsga.jpg)

(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Ssasho0/Phelon%20and%20Moore/IMG_0306_zps1zdolm1o.jpg)
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: radio on July 24, 2015, 09:19:34 PM
Extraordonary work and paint to your new model, Sasho.
Martin
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Ernie on July 24, 2015, 10:47:35 PM
Excellent work on an absolutely gorgeous little kit, Sasho!
You are going to have a stunner there, my friend.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Michael Scarborough on July 24, 2015, 10:55:38 PM
Off to a fine start!
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: RAGIII on July 24, 2015, 11:05:02 PM
Excellent start Sasho! You are well on your way to having a beautiful Vignette!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Pgtaylorart on July 24, 2015, 11:21:57 PM
Congratulations on being the first to post a build log of this kit, Sasho! I was wondering who would be the guinea pig for this kit and pave the way for the rest of us. Thank you for taking on the challenge, I will be watching and learning from your experience so I can build mine! :D

Thanks!
George
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: coyotemagic on July 25, 2015, 07:56:57 AM
Brilliant start, Sasho!  Really looking forward to this one!
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on July 25, 2015, 03:48:47 PM
that looks great so far ssashoo i am going to have to get this kit, i just having trouble deciding if i want just the bike or the sidecar too,plus theres figures. will like to see it finished
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: KitRookie37 on July 25, 2015, 05:23:32 PM
Hello gentlement and ladies,
Mmm, a very interresting project. I follow the white rabbit.  ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Des on July 25, 2015, 06:59:52 PM
You have made a great start Sasho, seeing that I have this motorcycle kit I will be following your build closely.

Des.
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: LukasTheLight on July 27, 2015, 01:50:13 AM
It is great to see how many new things from great war popping everywhere. Watching this with great interest!!!

Lukas
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Ssasho0 on July 28, 2015, 06:29:33 PM
thank you very much for the comments guys, they are much appreciated and drive me forward with this little kit :)
So far I'm very happy with Aviattic's kit, as I said before I was thinking that it will be too hard to build for someone as inexperienced with resin as me, but it is not hard, just looks so and really fits perfectly......once you find out which part goes where!
Here is the only downside with this kit - the instruction. It is of two parts, a colour leaflet with pictures of few P&M bikes, both archive and modern ones, which are very helpfull. The second part is black and white and is the actual build instruction and this is the one I find lacking, it just makes perfectly clear to everyone that knows the project by heart, but not for someone that just got it!
First, there is no breakdown of the parts, this may seems useless for injection molded kits, but for resin ones I think it is important. I was able to damage some parts, cutting them into pieces, thinking that something is flash, but later on finding that it was a part of the part :(
Second, there is no clear understanding what goes exactly where. I see that a particular part should go "there", but not sure where exactly. The key word here is exactly, this applies especially for the engine and the gimmicks around it. For example, last night I glued the exhaust (if tis is the exhaust) 4 times to where I think the part should go, but it was wrong all the time, broke two already glued parts and finally gave up and left it for today, should have done it after the first unsuccesfull attempt :(
Third - A small diagram showing the fuel lines and the brake lines would have been absolutely great for those, that would like to add them!
This by any means should not stop you from byuing or building the kit - it is little gem, really! Just a friendly constructive criticism to Richard for his next projects, the instruction should be written in such way, so any idiot (like myself for example) to be able to understand it!
As usually any comments, constructive criticism or questions are most welcome!

(http://i1352.photobucket.com/albums/q651/Ssasho0/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpsuet8xxod.jpg)

Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: radio on July 28, 2015, 07:20:43 PM
Very beautiful, Ssasho.
Martin
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Des on July 28, 2015, 07:27:04 PM
Really looking good Sasho, even though you may be having issues with the instructions it doesn't show in your excellent build.

Des.
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: UFAG on July 28, 2015, 10:48:04 PM
NICE..!
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: RAGIII on July 28, 2015, 11:20:25 PM
You may have experienced some lack of clarity with the instructions but your bike is looking AWESOME! Very nice work!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Pgtaylorart on July 28, 2015, 11:50:37 PM
Your bike is looking great, Sasho! But I agree with you about the instructions. I've looked through them along with the kit parts and it is a bit unclear what the actual part is on the resin block and exactly how it fits together with the other parts. I would make the same mistakes you have made and cut off bits of resin thinking they are flash or extra resin. I thought it was just me and my lack of understanding of motorcycles. That's why I was very interested in your build log. I thought you might solve some of these issues before I attempted to build my kit. :D

If possible, it would really help if Richard could post a photographic step by step build log either here on this forum or on the Aviattic site. Richard, is it possible to get a bit more clarity here? It's a really wonderful kit and I would hate to mess it up. :o

Thanks,
George
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Pgtaylorart on July 29, 2015, 12:16:34 AM
I understand, Richard. I'll do my best to not break parts, but I appreciate your policy of replacing broken parts if possible. I guess we can ask questions as we're building and post photos of the parts we're confused about for clarification before we make mistakes. The collective knowledge of the members on our forum should aid in building a very nice and accurate model.

George
Title: Re: 1:32 WnW Fe2b and Aviattic Phelon&Moore motorcycle
Post by: Ssasho0 on July 29, 2015, 04:08:49 AM
Dear Richard,

I completely understand how it is and I really LIKE this little kit.
My personal opinion is that replacement of any small broken part due to modeller's mistake is not required. All those can be easily replaced by few bits of wire and anyone capable of minimal scratch building should be able to replace them.
Maybe think of one additional image, posted on the website and showing which parts of the engine goes in that or that hole in that or that order would be enough. It is a common mistake to create something completely clear to yourself and everyone else involved in the project, but kind of vague to "outsiders".
As i said the bike is completely buildable fir a newbie to resin like me and I really enjoy it!
Keep up the good work Aviattic :)

Best regards,
Sasho