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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Pgtaylorart on February 19, 2015, 11:29:35 AM
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Hello,
I've started my Pup for the Group Build. I haven't decided exactly what plane it will be based on in real life, but I know what I want it to look like. I'm not even sure if this exact version even existed, but it will be the RNAS with skis (or skids) for carrier landing, have a clear window area in the center section of the top wing, and have the sides of the fuselage covered in CDL. If this never existed then I guess I'm taking some artistic license. I think it is at least feasible.
I'm starting with the WNW kit, but I'm heavily modifying it to create the translucent quality of the doped linen over the wings and fuselage. I'll be scratch building the wings and the whole fuse frame from cardstock.
Here's the WNW kit and some reference photos:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/800x539q90/633/wENjJv.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/887x579q90/661/aQaZZu.jpg)
These pics show the clear upper wing section and the translicent linen effect I'm trying for. I really like how the sun is shining through the inside of the cockpit walls.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/612x558q90/673/Cugikr.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/995x667q90/537/TjJ9er.jpg)
Here are some pics of my test builds. The ribs and spars are card stock.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/648x664q90/540/2Zi6F5.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/777x554q90/633/R6dOgF.jpg)
Here's a test section to experiment with using shrink wrap to cover the wing.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/692x733q90/673/hTb7yV.jpg)
I then covered a section with Aviattic linen decals. I moved the light in front and behind to show the translucency.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/662x594q90/661/psjRPO.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/682x627q90/537/dVZUZv.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/639x623q90/905/YBqdCp.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/639x623q90/633/L1AvVD.jpg)
These are a bit rough and don't yet have rib tapes, etc., but hopefully the technique will work.
Thanks,
George
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Super cool George
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Your test sections look very impressive! So you intend to build the whole wings from scratch with the ribs and aviattic decals covering?
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Very impressive result George.
Des.
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Thanks Bo, Petrov, and Des
Yes Petrov, if it all works out as planned, I'm going to basically build a framework model and shrink wrap it with plastic then cover it with Aviattic decals. It's a bit ambitious, but we have extra time with all the Felix builds. ;D
...and I still have to finish the Fokker D.VII I started at Christmas time. (The engine is almost done, I'll post pics soon)
George
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wow George, that looks great.
Question, how did you go about cutting the frames to get them the same size, including the centres.
Roy
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Little bit of info George.
HMS Furious,
lots of trials were held on this ship, The RN were going into the unknown blindfolded so to speak.
Squadron Leader Dunning was killed during one such trial.
He had made two landings and attempted a third but a gust of wind caught his aircraft and although the deck crew tried to hang on it was blown over the side and Dunning was drowned in the cockpit.
No brakes so no friction your ski's would provide that friction , the RN also launched sea planes from her using a wheeled bogie that would be left behind as the plane took off, so same principle could be applied to your build.
Sadly shots of all the experimental testing are far and few between.
Roy
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Waoh!this technic surely works with this style of models isnt'it?
(http://www.eduard.com/store/out/pictures/z1/1185.jpg)
Can you give more details in the way youcut make in tension and glue the shrinkWrap?
it gives interesting perpectives...
Xan
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Wonderful. Shows some incredible potential and skill.
Keith
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Hello George
Firstly thanks for picking something with sticks for feet as I thought I might be the only one after seeing all these wonderfull Brandenburgs and felixstowes on this GB.
Secondly WOW!
That is one ambitious plan. I love seeing inovative skills and ideas like this, it is what makes this hobby exiting. I cannot wait to see the effect when the wings and fuselage come together.
Cheers, Alan.
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This is certainly something different. One to watch, I think.
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Wow, George! One of the things I love about this forum is the willingness of talented modellers like yourself to try out different approaches and share the outcomes with us all.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Absolutely brilliant, George!
Jörg
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Thank you all for the very nice comments!
Some of you have asked about how I cut, shrink wrapped, glued, etc., the wing section. This weekend I'll post some photos and show a step by step process. Keep in mind, I'm just sort of still experimenting, so I'm refining this as I go, and hoping it works out as planned. :D
George
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You are breaking new ground here George, and the results are, so far, spectacular. Incredible, keep at it! This is going to be a pleasure to follow! :) :o
Cheers,
Lance
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You are breaking new ground here George, and the results are, so far, spectacular. Incredible, keep at it! This is going to be a pleasure to follow! :) :o
Cheers,
Lance
My thoughts exactly, George!
Cheers,
Bud
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I promised to get a photo sequence posted this last weekend to show the process of making my wing, as some of you have asked for, but instead I decided to get this horrible flu bug and spent all my modeling time in bed. :( I just wanted to let you know I haven't forgotten or flaked, and as soon as I'm feeling better I will post the photos.
Thanks,
George
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Hope you are feeling better... this will be fun and informative to watch!
Chris
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Get well soon, George. When you get better it will be great to see the photos.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Thanks for the well wishes while I had this nasty flu bug.
I'm finally back to the workbench and I started with a little surgery on the wing to find an accurate cross section for the ribs. The thin Jammy Dog tape is to determine where the spars are. I tacked a piece of card to the wing and cut out the profile.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/792x494q50/673/YfbJAa.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/668x580q90/538/ixtAUz.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/544x382q90/537/ZKzIH8.jpg)
I scanned and imported this shape along with the Pup Datafile plans into Rhino3D and built a virtual model to work out the exact shapes.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/828x549q90/661/FoRMRE.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/932x549q90/538/Qzvzff.jpg)
Parts:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/683x501q90/540/8lCYEr.jpg)
All the various rib profiles:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/760x537q90/538/2eqJv1.jpg)
These were printed on tan cardstock and cut out. I own a Silhouette, but it couldn't cut as cleanly as I needed so I had to cut by hand. :o When I win the lottery, I'll get a Silver Bullet a la Bo.
Hours and hours of mind numbing cutting later.....
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/666x554q90/909/b99idF.jpg)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/690x392q90/538/YVuslL.jpg)
Then they were soaked in thin CA for strength. A tab was left on a the front of the rib to hold while I added the CA.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/732x482q90/673/kzWTV0.jpg)
More to follow after my hands un-cramp from all the cutting. :)
Thanks.
George
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Absolutely amazing work George, you sure must have had eye strain after that amount of miniature surgery, lots and lots of cutting.
Des.
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You did it the hard way George.. :) but great results...actually pretty much exactly how I did the Fokker D.III wing except I didn't have to match it to an existing model. I put my tabs on the bottom of the ribs and built the wing with the ribs still attached to the rib and spar "egg crate" -- if that makes sense...
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Really sharp work George, look forward to more
Roy
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This is really stunning stuff, George. I can't get over the look
of your translucency experiments...amazing! Between yourself and
Bo, this is taking "plastic" modeling to a new height, pardon the pun. ;D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Absolut great work George.
Martin
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Truly extraordinary work, George! This is such a joy to follow.
Cheers,
Bud
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I am totally speechless……. what can I write. With modellers like you, Bo and Des the rest of us are left standing. The translucent and transparent effects are quite extraordinary and the work that you have done on the wing structure simply mind-boggling. I just wish that this kind of work could be done in God's Own Scale…. not that I would be able to do it. This is really exciting to follow.
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Thanks for all the nice comments!!
This is still a big experiment with the shrink wrap thing. I've found that if I apply just a bit too much heat the ribs will collapse in on themselves. All that work can be ruined in 2 seconds! I'm pretty nervous about covering a whole wing and fuselage. :-\
Oh we'll, I'll never know if I don't try, and I still have the plastic from the kit to fall back on.
George
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Finally, another update. The snails have passed me by...
I'm still working on the wing. I spent many hours cutting and cutting, but now things should start progressing a bit faster.
(https://imagizer.imageshack.us/v2/882x459q90/538/Zsxn50.jpg)
Started gluing ribs and spars. The spars are laminated from 4-6 layers of cardstock (4 on the front spar, 6 on the rear) and then soaked in thin CA. They are actually stronger than wood and plastic, and much lighter than brass.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/8546/m9eP5l.jpg)
Small ribs are added to the leading edge.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/3522/nQeZr5.jpg)
Added rib caps from strips of cardstock.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img903/8523/v8qdHZ.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img903/2195/DPpLEY.jpg)
The wing is painted and gloss coated, then the thin wire is added to the tip and trailing edge with small pieces of black paper to simulate metal strapping.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/9227/8RwE8D.jpg)
Bracing wires are added with small brackets made from paper soaked in CA.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img538/5524/vOtei9.jpg)
The finished wing frame.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/3954/YgXJ0c.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img633/6672/wNrNic.jpg)
So basically, I've taken one piece of plastic from the WNWs kit and turned it into 125 pieces, for half a wing. :o I don't know what I was thinking and how I'll ever get this done on time!
Thanks,
George
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Amazing work George, the level of detail is stunning
Roy
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Incredible amount of attention to detail George, your skills are absoluely amazing.
Des.
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Amazing work George, the level of detail is stunning
Roy
I agree completely! You may be going slow but you are going places most of us will never tread!
RAGIII
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Excellent!
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I am amazed at the talent shown, George.
Absolutely enthralling! Looking forward to
the next updates. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Regarding the spars, did you laminate them with something other than CA? If so, what did you use? On my Fokker I laminated them as I soaked them. Very strong, but kind of irregular in the plan aspect...
Are you going to subject this to heat shrink?
And finally, you realize you have to do the fuselage now... Welcome to the vortex!! :D
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I've never seen anything like this before. It's stunning and all from card too!
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Great, I'm looking forward to the next yours update.
Adam.
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Thanks for the kind words!
Bo,
1) The spars were first laminated with good ol Elmer's white glue. It's much easier to position each piece this way. I soaked them in CA after the white glue dried.
2) I've been thinking a lot about the covering. I am going to heat shrink this, but I do want to keep some of this visible as a sort of frame model. I'm trying to think of a good way to do that and still have it in a "real life" situation. Maybe in a state of repair.
3) I've been thinking a lot about the fuselage, but it can't be as hard as this wing! :o
4) The vortex. Somehow I blame you for pushing me into it! ;D. (Inspired by your work, of course)
George
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Thanks for the tip, I guess I thought Elmer's would keep the CA from soaking in...
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Have this post just discovered :o
UNBELIEVABLE!
Love it. I really love it.
............................... and I always thought Bo is crazy................. ::)
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............................... and I always thought Bo is crazy................. ::)
And you are correct, Bertl......but, I hired a private detective and he discovered that Bo and George are actually twins separated at birth.....and you are their cousin. So insanity runs in the family.
George, this is just so wonderful, inspiring and invigorating. You are a demon with that scalpel, dude. Do you have surgical training or was is simply what you learned at Ninja Day Camp?
Will you be using any parts from the kit??
Cheers (big ones) from NYC,
Michael
Yeah. What he said.
Cheers,
Bud
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Fantastic work to the wings. Very great build.
Martin
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I thought that Des left me speechless…. but now you have too. I am simply reeling from looking at what you have achieved so far - I would not have believed it unless I had seen the photos.
Totally agree with Michael Scarborough's comments, but then I always thought that a degree of insanity was a good thing…. not sure about yours! Keep up the outstanding work.
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Thanks Bertl, Michael, Bud, Martin, and Lone. It means a lot coming from you guys! :)
............................... and I always thought Bo is crazy................. ::)
And you are correct, Bertl......but, I hired a private detective and he discovered that Bo and George are actually twins separated at birth.....and you are their cousin. So insanity runs in the family.
George, this is just so wonderful, inspiring and invigorating. You are a demon with that scalpel, dude. Do you have surgical training or was is simply what you learned at Ninja Day Camp?
Will you be using any parts from the kit??
Cheers (big ones) from NYC,
Michael
Bertl and Michael, calling me crazy and comparing me to Bo is the highest of praises! Thank you. :)
And yes, Michael, I used to be a plastic surgeon to the stars. ;) After all, I am out here in LA LA land! ;D
George
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Spectacular work on the wing structure. Fantastic!
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George,
I'm sorry I've only just seen your thread - incredible work! I'm very envious of your skills..
Can't wait to see more...
Guy
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Ps seems wrong to cover all that beautiful work... :'(
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Your work is really unbeliavable, and that is a pity to bury the wing structure under a heat shrink cover.
Probably the best way to show it is to leave half model in skeletal form and use the kit parts for the rest of the model.
This is much appreciated in any modeling context and looks the part also when the model is in the showcase.
Also your rhino work is spectacular...
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Sorry George, but if you aren't going to cover up all that work when it's done, you can't be part of the crazy club. :P
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Yes Bo, we know it's there, and that's good enough!
George
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And Bertl has already purchased clear styrene to enclose his LVG cockpit.
No Michael - the LVG cockpit disappears under his fuselage cover. ;)
Yes Bo, we know it's there, and that's good enough!
This is exactly my mindset for modeling 8)
Sorry George, but if you aren't going to cover up all that work when it's done, you can't be part of the crazy club.
;D ;D
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Holy Grail!
I just realized that the main Pup I've been using for reference is in the San Diego Air and Space Museum which is about a 3 hour drive from me! Jackpot! I'll be going down the weekend after Easter and taking pics until they kick me out. I'll post them on our forum.
They also have an Albie, Fokker DR.1, Eindecker, Nieuport 11 & 28, Spad VII, and more. ;D
Right in my own backyard. I gotta start paying attention... ???
George
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Great news George, I hope you get a truck load of photos while at the museum.
Des.
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See if you can get in with a tripod!
The Albatros is an older reproduction of a D.Va, don't waste a lot of time on that. The SPAD is authentic...
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Yeah, the Neiuports are real also, I think, but the DR.1 and the Pup are replicas too. But the Pup is all framework, which is just what I need. I thought the same thing about the tripod. I'll bring one.
George
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Another quick update:
I started building the fuselage and horizontal stabilizer/elevator.
Tail built in Rhino3d.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/6076/W43ztV.jpg)
Paper and brass rod model.
The brass is taped to the template while I formed the shapes and awaits soldering. (Should be fun to ruin a bunch of brass with my resistance soldering iron while I fumble around learning :o) The paper ribs and spar are just placed, not glued yet.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/5028/BalwhR.jpg)
I worked out more of the fuselage structure in 3d, then "unfolded' it in Rhino so i can get templates of the actual sizes of curved parts.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/1633/qzg8K4.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/3203/hVezGn.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img901/8969/uNprED.jpg)
Printed parts and templates with 1:32 square brass bar formed to proper shapes (I hope).
(http://imageshack.com/a/img538/7798/mV88i2.jpg)
Thanks,
George
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Awesome!
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Well, this is just fascinating and I so appreciate seeing an entirely new way to approach model building.
George-san, as I have said before to both you and Bo, I see endless possibilities with this sort of computer aided design, and in my case, not only for models but for furniture projects.
I don't want to hijack this thread but, in case others are interested, is there an entry level software program that allows a semi-computer literate person to play with these sorts of ideas and concepts? I mean like really simple.....such as they may be using in the local pre-school classes between naps and clay.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Cheers,
Michael
I suppose Google Sketchup (free for the lite version) is the most accessible 3D program, very easy to learn but...
a) you will rapidly run into a brick wall trying to loft anything semi complicated
b) nothing you learn will apply to any of the grown up packages
ZBrush will come very easily to anyone who has worked with clay, however it is only good for organic type objects.
Blender is free, but remains (to me anyway) incredibly obtuse
Maya is my modeler of choice but only because I use it in other work. It is not easy to learn, I'd say mid difficulty, and it is quite expensive. But very versatile and powerful and... If this makes sense ... "handy ," like a good quality hand tool... The right heft and balance, once you master it you feel like you can make anything with it.
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Fantastic work!
Martin
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Outstanding! You guys that can use 3d computer stuff to make models will always amaze me!
RAGIII
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Well, this is just fascinating and I so appreciate seeing an entirely new way to approach model building.
George-san, as I have said before to both you and Bo, I see endless possibilities with this sort of computer aided design, and in my case, not only for models but for furniture projects.
I don't want to hijack this thread but, in case others are interested, is there an entry level software program that allows a semi-computer literate person to play with these sorts of ideas and concepts? I mean like really simple.....such as they may be using in the local pre-school classes between naps and clay.
Any thoughts would be appreciated!
Cheers,
Michael
Michael,
Bo pretty much answered your question with all the same options as I would suggest. Maya is also my main 3d program. I use it all day long for my animation work and once you climb the steep learning curve you can build anything. But since I started designing and building paper models, I began using Rhino3d. It's designed more for creating very accurate prototypes for the product design industries. It has one tool in particular that Maya doesn't. It can accurately unfold curved surfaces. This is mainly used for sheet metal fabricators, but us paper modelers make great use of this. Complex shapes like ship's hulls and rounded fuselages can be flattened, printed on paper then built into shapes that would be impossible for me to design on flat paper with my limited math skills. Maya and Rhino aren't cheap, but you really can't beat them for what they do.
I hope that helps,
George
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... It has one tool in particular that Maya doesn't. It can accurately unfold curved surfaces. This is mainly used for sheet metal fabricators, but us paper modelers make great use of this. Complex shapes like ship's hulls and rounded fuselages can be flattened, printed on paper then built into shapes that would be impossible for me to design on flat paper with my limited math skills.
Indeed, this is a feature that I sorely miss in Maya-- not just for creating paper models but for designing PE! I used to use form*Z for designing stuff and I used this kind of tool to replicate the complicated sheet-metal origami brake cooling ducts on my Alfa Romeo race car, which we then cut out on a CNC plasma cutter to fold up and weld. Anyway…
There is a workaround in Maya -- you can use the UV mapping tools to unfold a solid accurately but it is tricky.
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Thanks, Martin and RAG!
George
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So, let me get started with Sketch Up and see how I do. I think that once I have some practical experience with any drawing program, knowing what my needs are will be a lot clearer. I just need to be sure I am spending the time on working on the design, not learning a software program that is beyond my abilities at this point.
Thanks!
Yeah; I remember saying something similar about 35 years ago -- "I just want a simple drawing program to run my little pen plotter so I can design my sculptures" -- the next I knew I was teaching myself assembly language & C and learning about implementing Phong shaders... Beware the rabbit hole :)
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I fell down the rabbit hole about 30 years ago at art school when I had a class with James Blinn (of the Blinn Shader fame) who was a guest professor from JPL and Cal Tech. You 3d guys should know the name. (Sorry to name drop but I still geek out about that... 8))
George
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Yep pretty heavy nerdball name-drop :). Very cool 8)
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Phong Shaders? Weren't they a sub group of the Khmer Rouge?
I have no comeback. All I can say Michael is, very nice... 8)
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I've just found this and, like everyone else, I'm awestruck!
I'm struggling to figure out LibreOffice to draw PE parts for my Bentley build, and you guys are talking in a totally foreign language that I just wish I could understand.....The results are obviously worth the effort!
Ian
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Phong Shaders? Weren't they a sub group of the Khmer Rouge?
(http://static1.squarespace.com/static/536eb39be4b0b25ee9f55bb3/t/5382b884e4b06d57f25377e3/1401075845260/)
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Phong Blinn......
Of course...how could I not remember him....he invented the two handed back scratcher.....they actually tried to have him be a replacement for the Pillsbury Dough Boy but myopic American audiences were just not ready Asian dough that wasn't made into pork dumplings.
He was also the third drummer in Spinal Tap.
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He was also the third drummer in Spinal Tap.
A shorter life expectancy than a RFC pilot in late 1915!
I am just catching up here, George... truly wonderful stuff.
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Thanks, Big Blue!
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I am just catching up here, George... truly wonderful stuff.
Same here (although it's impossible to keep up with you and Bo!). Truly magnificent work, George, far beyond my comprehension.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks, Bud! :)
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Hello George!!!
I just realized that by returning behind my workbench I miss so much from other builds :) But then one finds spare moment for look into another topics and is simply stunned :) I love it!!!
Lukas
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Thanks for the nice words, Lukas!
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Just catching up to - that tail and fuselage is just amazing and again amazing…….. What else can I write?
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coming along very nicely george, great attention to detail as well as creative problem solving.
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I just discovered this topic and all I can say is WOW!
Really a great job and very inspirative.
These 3D modelling programs seem to be a great tool for scratchbuilding, I will have to give it a try. Hopefully there is a cheap and user-friendly alternative to Rhino 3D (if I read their website correctly, it's 995 bugs, which is quite a lot for me).
Many thanks, George, for showing us new horizons. ;)
Cheers.
Ondra
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These 3D modelling programs seem to be a great tool for scratchbuilding, I will have to give it a try. Hopefully there is a cheap and user-friendly alternative to Rhino 3D (if I read their website correctly, it's 995 bugs, which is quite a lot for me).
Powerful, Cheap, Easy-to-learn. Pick any two; I don't think a product currently exists that satisfies all three.
Powerful / Cheap : Blender
Cheap / Easy to Learn : Sketchup
Powerful / Easy to Learn : Rhino (based on a few sessions messing with it)
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These 3D modelling programs seem to be a great tool for scratchbuilding, I will have to give it a try. Hopefully there is a cheap and user-friendly alternative to Rhino 3D (if I read their website correctly, it's 995 bugs, which is quite a lot for me).
Powerful, Cheap, Easy-to-learn. Pick any two; I don't think a product currently exists that satisfies all three.
Powerful / Cheap : Blender
Cheap / Easy to Learn : Sketchup
Powerful / Easy to Learn : Rhino (based on a few sessions messing with it)
Yes, what Bo said.
I guess some of us are fortunate to be using this software in our careers, but the stars and planets have now aligned making it possible for anyone to use it in their modeling. The software, 3d printing, laser cutting, PE, are now available to anyone who's willing to put in a bit of time to learn. We're no longer dependent on "big plastic" to give us what they think will sell.
Ok, there's my cheerleading for the day! ;D
George
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And thank you very much, Lone, Scott, and Ondra for the nice compliments! :)
George
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Now Michael, that was supposed to be our little secret! ;)
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These 3D modelling programs seem to be a great tool for scratchbuilding, I will have to give it a try. Hopefully there is a cheap and user-friendly alternative to Rhino 3D (if I read their website correctly, it's 995 bugs, which is quite a lot for me).
Powerful, Cheap, Easy-to-learn. Pick any two; I don't think a product currently exists that satisfies all three.
Powerful / Cheap : Blender
Cheap / Easy to Learn : Sketchup
Powerful / Easy to Learn : Rhino (based on a few sessions messing with it)
Many thanks, Bo, I will have a look at it.
Cheers
Ondra
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Hello again!
I have another small update. I've been working out the various hardware, brackets, and control horns in 3d. I've realised just how minute some of this stuff will be in 1/32. It's really testing my limits, but I can't let this beat me!
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/2298/Q2flSp.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img913/9370/csO1dH.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img908/1188/NzdqWu.jpg)
I figured out a simple hinge for the rudder using .5mm Albion brass tubing and .2mm brass wire. I think I'll use it on all the control surfaces.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/2155/NZthPU.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7939/IJJbgi.jpg)
And finally, I made a bit more progress on the upper wing. I still have some rigging and hardware to add. I think I'll make this a Sopwith Pup Eindecker Parasol and forgo building another wing. ;D
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/6948/21Ssru.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img913/528/MVS3s3.jpg)
Cheers for now. The men in the white coats say I have to go back to my room now... :o
George
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Spectacular!
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Michael, I haven't used anything from the kit yet, except as a pattern. I have a really nice resin Taurus engine, so I won't be using that part, and the wheels, axles, and struts are out since I'm putting this on skis. Wanna buy a WNW Pup when I'm done? ;D
I'm using a combo of resistance and regular soldering iron.
George
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Thanks, Bo!
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Spectacular!
George, I'm now simply reduced to quoting the superlatives of others. Beyond that, I'd have to dust off my old thesaurus (if I can even find it). Oh, yeah. There's also this: :o
Cheers,
Bud
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Wow perfect work George. Lovely!
Martin
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Super George...
Guy
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Just catching up - holy!!!!!!
Steve
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Spectacular!
If Bo says Spectacular then I certainly must agree !
RAGIII
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Thanks Guys! :)
Here's a MINI update:
I built the aileron pulley for the upper wing tonight. I started by cutting out 1.2mm and 1.8mm cardstock discs with my Japanese punch drill. I then sandwiched 3 of these together to form a pulley. It was soaked in thin CA to add strength and a hole was drilled in the center. A thin wire was used for the pulley axle. Finally, the bracket was made from paper, everything was painted, then glued in place.
Here's the pulley from the San Diego Pup:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img538/3103/4f7C4U.jpg)
Pulley parts:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/3089/jlyoOo.jpg)
The finished pulley installed with the control line added:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/5219/6hDz6b.jpg)
That's all for tonight...
George
PS: Michael S. I think I know a good way to get that "glowing boxes" effect you were after! ;)
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Now this is mind-boggling! All this magnificence is causing
my head to hurt. I have just ordered another case of Advil
in preparation for the next updates. ::) ;D Beautiful work,
George! :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Very nice. Japanese punch drill? Sounds like something I need.
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Ernie, sorry about the headache, my wife says the same thing. ::) ;D
Bo, yes you need one. But don't buy a cheap knock-off. The real ones cost about $100 and come with 7-8 bits from 1mm to 5mm.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/5478/7lyzcN.jpg)
George
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Outstanding pulleys! I did a quick search and found this E Bay site for Japanese drills:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Japanese+Book+Drill+Screw+Hole+Punch
I don't do the E Bay thing so if anyone knows of another source I would appreciate the info.
RAGIII
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Outstanding pulleys! I did a quick search and found this E Bay site for Japanese drills:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Japanese+Book+Drill+Screw+Hole+Punch
I don't do the E Bay thing so if anyone knows of another source I would appreciate the info.
RAGIII
From what I know, those $17.00 punch drills are a waste of money. The bits will dull quickly and they won't have a nice smooth drilling action. I got mine from a seller off Etsy.
What's great about a quality one is they drill a very nice, clean hole, and also make nice discs as small as 1mm.
George
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Outstanding pulleys! I did a quick search and found this E Bay site for Japanese drills:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_nkw=Japanese+Book+Drill+Screw+Hole+Punch
I don't do the E Bay thing so if anyone knows of another source I would appreciate the info.
RAGIII
From what I know, those $17.00 punch drills are a waste of money. The bits will dull quickly and they won't have a nice smooth drilling action. I got mine from a seller off Etsy.
What's great about a quality one is they drill a very nice, clean hole, and also make nice discs as small as 1mm.
George
There are some further down for $100.00 plus. They say they are the real thing?
RAGIII
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Here's a good book binding site that sells them and explains the difference in quality. It should have "screw punch made in Japan" engraved on the side.
http://www.bonniesbest.com/bookdrill.htm
George
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Excellent. Ordered one from Bonnie :)
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I am still trying to work out which photos are of the real thing and which are your model…….. I think that I will lie down for a week or two until my head stops spinning…...
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Cool, Bo, you will not be disappointed.
Lone, I guess you could use some Advil like Ernie! Sorry about that, guys! ;D
George
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Book binding sites can be amazingly full of stuff for us. Even more so, Jewelers' suppliers. There is one here in NYC, Metaliferous, in which most of you guys would go NUTS. Wire, tools, sheet metals.....
George, I look forward to hearing about your ideas to make boxes glow. Man, I remember when I was in college.....
Never mind......
I'd love to come to NYC and check out that Jeweler's supply. Sounds like heaven for us nuts!
And college? Hittin' the green paint? ;D
George
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Well, I'm already on the Best Coast, but I'd love to come to NYC. I'll look you up when I do! 8)
George IV
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Another great update, George!
Chris
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I only just read through this thread as I hadn't come into the GB board yet....WOW! I can't say much else! Astounding work, George!!!
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Thanks, Zac! :)
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Exceptional modeling 8)
Terri
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Thank you Terri! :)
George
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Simply breathtaking and very inspirative, George, great job!
Cheers
Ondra
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So I needed a bit of a break from ribs, wings, brackets and framework so I built the engine for my Pup. It's not the Wingnut version, so the original kit parts are still unused. ;) Instead, I chose the incredible Taurus Models resin Gnome Monosoupape 9. This proved to not really be a break at all! It was probably the most difficult, fiddly model I've built to date, but the pain involved it is worth it. I now have even more respect for Lukasz and Bertl than I already had! I followed Bertl's great build tutorial for the similar Oberursel UI and made the same small adjustments with the push rods, etc. that he did. If it's OK, here is a link to his build: http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3195.165 (http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3195.165)
Here's my finished engine:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/7071/u08TZD.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/6360/dh0eHZ.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/3024/71xbno.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/9871/WbLZS4.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/9482/B1jPJe.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/9677/XXypzK.jpg)
Thanks,
George
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Your engine looks like it is ready to crank! perfect finish in my opinion!
RAGIII
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That is a wonderful engine - well worth the pain that you had to suffer to get there.
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Most Excellent George!
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It is a very superb engine, George.
Martin
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Absolutely gorgeous engine, George! A masterpiece within a masterpiece!
Cheers,
Bud
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That engine looks so good that I can smell the Castor Oil... 8)
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Thanks for the nice words! :)
George
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Spectacular modelling!
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A superb looking engine George, you have done a brilliant job putting it together and the painting is amazing.
Des.
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Thank you PrzemoL and Des! It was a very challenging but fun little engine to build. I highly recommend them.
George
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Your engine looks great, especially painting.
Lukasz makes an excellent engine models.
I did a similar motor for Fokker E.II.
I know how hard is it to do this and that is why I admire what you have done.
Adam.
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That engine is simply marvellous work, George. I did the Taurus Monosoupape 100 HP Kit recently for the DH2 and in the end had to use some of the original WNW Kit parts, your efforts were very successful and she's an absolute beauty......well done! :o
Cheers,
Lance
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Super lush George ;D
Guy
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Should tighten up those spark plug wires though ;)
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Stunning engine George! Having built the Taurus Oberursel , I know the challenge that bit of modeling presents. Lukasz's incredible resin masterpiece deserve results like yours!
Chris
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Thanks again for all the nice comments! :)
Bo, it's not perfect, but she's better, no? ???
(http://imageshack.com/a/img911/2383/wAWdoF.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img909/9123/fOeSSE.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img673/2024/AXH9l6.jpg)
If the wires need further straightening, I'll just photoshop it! ;) ;D
George
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That looks pretty good to me George, well done.
Des.
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Oh, yeah. Now it's perfect.
Cheers,
Bud
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Oh, yeah. Now it's perfect.
Cheers,
Bud
I gotta keep Bo happy! Wouldn't want wobbly wires! ;D
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Much better :)
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:D
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;D ;D
Martin
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Dear Signor da Vinci,
Can you please tell us how you created the wonderfully subtle and realistic finish? Materials? Methods?
Mille grazie,
VvG
No 8)
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Ok, fine, Michael. ;D
Black Tamiya primer to start with. Alclad White Aluminum 106 overall. Alclad Steel 112 around tops of cylinders where it gets darker. Then Alclad Pale Burnt Metal 104 thinned 50/50 to add warm brownish metal in center area. Vallejo Green Gold was used on the brass plates and other brass parts. A pin wash of Tamiya Smoke brought out the nuts a bolt details. Finally, touches of AK Interactive Engine Grime, Engine Oil, and Streaking Rust we're added. That's about it.
George
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Michael,
I'm thinning the Alclads with lacquer thinner. Nasty stuff, but I have an extractor, face mask, and good ventilation. I tried to avoid the lacquers by using acrylic metalizers, but the acrylics had a sparkly look due to the large metal flakes. In fact, I painted this whole engine with acrylics first, panicked after seeing that if looked like a sparkly charm bracelet, and quickly stripped off the paint! :o
I use Tamiya thinner for the Tamiyas, Vallejo thinner for the Vallejos, etc, etc... The acrylic thinners are basically IPA, flow improver, drying retarder, and water though, but I like to use the manufacturers thinners. I should make up a batch of "home brew" thinner.
The AK and Mig stuff use White Spirits. I use Gamsol Oderless Spirits which you can get at most art supply stores for a fraction of the price of AK's little bottle. The Gamsol also works for oils.
George
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Yes, it's a type of beer. Mixed in the proper amounts, your model doesn't look better, but you don't care. ;)
IPA- Isopropyl Alcohol. Use the 99.9%, not the 70%.
George IV
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I like the paintjob, it looks like a well-used 1:1 example! More excellent work.
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Very nice little engine.............................. I know, what a hard work you have done ;)
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Thank you Zac and Bertl! :D
Bertl, your extremely detailed build report was very helpful to me while building this. Thanks again!!
George
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Hello George!!!
Your engine looks absolutely brilliant... i built Oberursel U.III and know how it feels :D my results were far from yours but I will try again on another one for my Fokker E.IV :) Although It is small kit on its own this Taurus engine is a great piece of resin... like all that stuff from Lukasz.
Your build is just stunning, it is beyond me how you created those ribs but It is "George"ous!!! ;)
Lukas
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Brilliant engine, George! Worth every drop of blood building
the little gem! Also thanks for the rundown on the painting...
it really doesn't get much better, my friend. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Twin Engine Sopwith Pup or Sopwith Pup Engine Part Deux (sorry for stealing that, Michael) ;D
Here's my second engine that I've built for this Pup, and since it's the Gnome that came with the kit, it fits! It's not quite the quality of the Taurus, but with the cowl and prop on not much will be visible. Even so, I did add the spark plug wires and fix the gap where the exhaust tubes meet the top of the cylinders. (It may not be seen, but I know it's there ;))
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/6149/u070yj.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img901/9868/tzttPW.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img538/676/RiS2cR.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img908/4315/DGp13j.jpg)
Hidden away :'(
(http://imageshack.com/a/img913/7909/p0HcIe.jpg)
Thanks!
George
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Shhh, Michael, don't tell Nick! 8)
The gaps were filled with 0.4mm x 1mm Evergreen strip styrene cut to 2mm length pieces.
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George, that Kit supplied Gnome may not quite be up there with the Taurus "gem" you did initially, but it's a real beauty! Great colouring, and the highlighting is very nice work. She's going to be a real winner!
Cheers,
Lance
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beautiful engine congratulations!
it's now hidden , but never mind, we saw it!
Xan
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You have done a superb job with the second engine George, your painting skills are awesome.
Des.
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Just amazing George :D
Guy
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Thank you fit the nice comments, Lance, Xan, Des, and Guy! :)
...and Michael too. ;)
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The others have said it all! Your painting on this engine is FANTASTIC and looks awesome in the cowling!
RAGIII
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Outstanding work on the engine, George! Cowled, it looks every bit as good as the Taurus.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi George!!!
It looks brilliant!!! I love that engine!!! :)
Lukas
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A superb engine at all building and painting.
Martin
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A bit more progress...
Thanks again for all the nice comments about the engine. I was kind of bummed about the Taurus, but I feel much better about the LeRhone now! :D
I finished the frame of the tail surfaces, minus the PE control horns and brackets.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img538/4417/JQ0SmV.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img905/7165/Zsbkir.jpg)
I also started in the fuselage frame made from 1/32 square brass bars. I first designed templates in 3d to insure I get the correct side and bottom profiles.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img913/2610/JCQTUX.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img901/8567/OUNpmu.jpg)
I then built the templates out of 1mm thick cardboard, formed and taped the brass to it, and soldered it together.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img910/3618/F5y3n0.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img910/9071/fbuYTs.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/9759/JGKPdS.jpg)
And finally, it's starting to look like an airplane!
(http://imageshack.com/a/img661/2847/WejHgT.jpg)
Thanks,
George
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Spectacular work, Pgtaylorart.
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Absolutely amazing work, the last photo with all the components you have made so far displays you incredible talents.
Des.
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very cool!
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Wow!!!!
Steve
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Holy Fudge Cake, Batman! :o :o :o :o
Superb skillz on display, George.
MORE!!!!
vB
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Mmmm, fudge cake... :D
Thanks RB, von Buckle, Steve, Bo, Des, Michael, and Prze! :)
George
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Exceptional work! Your talent is unbelievable!
RAGIII
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Blimey!!! This is a masterpiece!!! Love your work ;)
Exceptional work! Your talent is unbelievable!
RAGIII
I couldnt agree more!!!!
Cheerio
Lukas
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Mmmmm fudge cake
Steve
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Exellent is not enough, George.
Martin
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Absolutely brilliant work, George!
...............................what is "fudge cake" ???
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Fudge Cake!
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/2050/2QkHb2.jpg)
Mmmmmm ;D
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More mmmmmm fudge cake........
Steve
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It starts looking like an airplane.... and what an airplane!
Impressive
Congrats for this excellent work!)
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Exellent fudge cake
What scale did you build it in? it looks almost real.
alan.
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Just catching up - wow that is an excellent piece of engineering - sorry modelling. This really is going to be an amazing model.
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Excellent ;D
Adam.
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Beautiful work, George! Just amazing.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello! Just to let you know, I'm still at it. I haven't flaked on this build. ??? :)
I've been working mainly on the Photo Etched parts. I've built them all in 3D then transferred them to a 2D file to send out for etching.
Here are some pics of all the brackets, control horns, seat, fuel tank, etc. that will soon be PE parts.
(http://imageshack.com/a/img633/4090/F2FDTj.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img909/9458/6vOkCW.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img537/544/jqODB6.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/6452/nGfV0x.jpg)
The 2D Illustrator file:
(http://imageshack.com/a/img909/3346/4AG1em.jpg)
Here are a few pics of the skids. I finally got around to the parts that make this model a part of the Group Build. :D
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/7886/kmMpFa.jpg)
(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/4026/Ul5IHC.jpg)
I've finished the frame of the upper and lower wings and ailerons, tail feathers, and sides of the fuse (On the real model, not just the virtual model). Now I'm on hold until I get the PE back from Scotland. I'm chomping at the bit to get back to some real world modeling on this! ;D
Cheers,
George
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Stunning work, George ;)
More!
vB
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Thanks Von B and Michael! :)
Hopefully, I'll get back to the D.VII soon enough. When I started it last November they were all the rage here on the forum, but they seem to have gone out of fashion a bit. ;) ;D
George
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Never mind the fashion - who cares anyway? - that is wonderful stuff. This is a truly amazing build - makes scratch building look positively simple by comparison. I wondered where this one had gone - so pleased to see that you will be back at it shortly.
Stephen.
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Wow what a great work George.
Martin
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Thanks Stephen, Bud, and Martin!
Bud, I really appreciate your joke, but did you have to make me look at Michael's bare legs again? :o ;D ;D
Michael, if these PE parts actually work as planned then I think I can make them available.
George
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Buck up, George! It's only from the knees down. You can take it. You're a Californian, after all.
Cheers,
Bud
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(http://imageshack.com/a/img540/7886/kmMpFa.jpg)
WOW!!!beautiful 3D modeling that is superb 8)
Deutschmark
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Thank you, Deutschmark!
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George,
Just found this GB thread of your's tonight.I must say I'm truly impressed with your 3D work and the Pup itself my friend. Has there been any further work done on this Masterpiece? Absolutely Awesome project!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Thank you so much for the nice compliment, Gregory! I haven't stopped this project. It's just on a temporary hold while I wait for some custom photo etched parts. In the mean time I am building a DH.2 to practice some painting and weathering techniques.
Thanks! :)
George
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Thank you Michael! You make me blush! :-[ :)
George
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What!! You're kidding right?! This is mind boggling. Which is too bad, because I don't have too much mind left to boggle. Pietro
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No, no kidding, the bloke really is that good, but don't tell him! lol :D
vB
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No, no kidding, the bloke really is that good, but don't tell him! lol :D
vB
:) :) :)
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George, There is something of the cobra in you; I shall have to watch you closely...
Pietro
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George, There is something of the cobra in you; I shall have to watch you closely...
Pietro
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Thanks for having this build moved to this board George, it will be great to see you finish this model.
Des.
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A little bit late, but not to late! ;)
Great work, really, really good.
Kindly regards
Jörg
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This is incredible! Totally blown away by this.
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This is mind-blowing George!!!! Looking forward for results ;)
Cheerio
Lukas
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Thanks for the support! I really do have to get back on this one!
George
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Crikey George! Outstanding..
Guy
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I hope you will continue with this project.