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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: IanB on June 11, 2012, 01:36:36 AM
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I won't be starting on this one just yet, as I have a bench full already, but once the Pup, Camel and FK8 are finally finished I'll be digging this old baggie out of the stash!
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Ian
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Ian,
Man that Nelly scheme looks beautiful my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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OmiGod, another one from my dim and distant past. If this keeps up I'll soon be suffering from terminal Flashbackitis! ;D
Good luck, Ian. I'll be watching this thread to see your excellent work and to relive my distant youth!
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Looks like this one has resided in your stash for a long time Ian!
Great colour scheme you've picked there.
Andrew
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It's great (read, comforting) to see another Hannover being worked up, Ian. I'm curious as to how you'll tackle the fuselage loz.
Cheers,
Bud
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oh yeah!! I have this Kit, in it's modern Box.. i will be watching your building of this.. Inspiration is always welcomed!!! ;D
Dean ~~~ 8)
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After looking at the photo in the Datafile, I can see that the colour scheme as depicted is totally wrong. The fuselage should be handpainted lozenge, oversprayed to dull the edges. The engine also appears to be largely uncowled. Does anyone know of an aftermarket Argus engine in 1:72 I could use? I have a set of 4 from Engines & Things for my Ilya Muromets, but it turns out they're not Arguses, they have 6 separate cylinders instead of 3 sets of 2 cylinders....need to replace those too..... Should be a challenge!
Ian
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Engine problem solved!
I e-mailed Choroszy and he can supply the engines separately at US$2 each. Needless to say I've ordered a full set of Arguses for the Muromets, one for the Hannover and a couple of RAF4a's for the Airfix RE8 in my stash and a spare....
Ian
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Great news, Ian! Glad to hear that this hurdle has been crossed so quickly!
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Oh well...despite the others on my bench not being finished I couldn't resist making a start!
I've removed the locator pins for the engine and pilot, the Parabellum gun ring and all the rib detail from the wings and tail, leaving just the coolant tank and radiator. I've also opened up the starboard fuselage side for the Spandau and exhaust cutouts, along with thinning the sides in those areas and sanded the upper fuselage sides below the observer's position to round it out and remove the squared off look on the mouldings.
The Parabellum and ring will be replaced by an Aeroclub item. The engine will be a Choroszy Modelbud item which is on its way (it'll need a little alteration to the induction to change it from Argus As.II to As.III) and decals are on order form Doug Baumann.
There is still a bit of work required on the wing and tail planforms, but nothing major. I haven't checked the rest of the parts to the plans yet, so I'm hoping it'll be fairly minor work required - certainly nothing on the scale of the RE8!
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Ian
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Ian,
She off to a grand beginning my friend. I'm looking forward to following along with this soon to be awesome project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Since my bench is now clear, I've made a little more progress on this one. Both upper and lower wings, and the ailerons needed a little re-profiling, so the wing tips were sanded to a flat edge, plastic card fillets were added, and then sanded to shape and filled as necessary. The same was done for the centre section cut-out which was way too wide. The wings also required a little bending to get the correct dihedral and flat centre section.
The engine has arrived and it's a little beauty! A little work was required opening up slightly clogged areas on the inlet manifolds, and I drilled the exhaust side and added some plastic rod. The rest of the exhaust was carefully removed from what passes as an engine in the kit and these parts will be added towards the end of the build. I've reprofiled the prop a little, removed the kit mounting peg and drilled the engine to accept plastic rod for the prop shaft. The front part of the engine cowling has also been drilled out and thinned so it fits over the front of the engine properly.
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Slowly but surely....
Ian
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Hello, Ian -
This should look good when done. How bad/inaccurate is this Airfix kit? Are these old WW1 range of kits worth building? I had and built some years ago Airfix's Albatros DV kit which I thought was very crude.
Good luck with the rest of the build, mate!
Best regards
Dave
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Looks great right away. The scheme on these is ALWAYS interesting!!
Steve
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Dave,
They are all very crude, no doubt, but they vary in accuracy. The Pup wings were horrible, as are the SPAD VII wings. However this one is nowhere near that bad, just requiring minor reprofiling/thinning and of course the obligatory removal of the "spare ribs"on the wings (far more easily removed than those of the 2 previously mentioned, which have VERY thin wings even prior to the rib removal.....), a minor alteration on the tail profile and rudder, and removal of the moulded detail for the observer's gun ring. It will also require scratchbuilt undercarriage struts as these are typical early Airfix with the huge "sewer pipe" fittings for the axle! Because I am fitting an after market engine, I had to thin the forward fuselage and correct the moulding on the right side of the engine cowling to enable the engine to sit low enough and fit the exhausts correctly.
The RE8 kit is the epitome of early Airfix awfulness, requiring FAR more work than this one! Having said that, I have another RE8 in the stash with a Choroszy engine and Miniworld Scarff ring and Lewis guns waiting it's turn.....can't wait to get started on that one! ;D
Email Airfix and ask them to reissue these early WWI kits with new tooling - I did, and they said they "always consider customer input" - can't hurt!
Ian
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Hello, Ian -
This should look good when done. How bad/inaccurate is this Airfix kit? Are these old WW1 range of kits worth building? I had and built some years ago Airfix's Albatros DV kit which I thought was very crude.
Good luck with the rest of the build, mate!
Best regards
Dave
"Crude"? "Crude," you say? This is "crude"??
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Hmmm...well-l-l...uhhh...yeah...you might have a point...!! ;D
Looking good, Ian. I'm keen to see what you'll do with the new engine. That looks to be quite a nice molding. Good luck! 8)
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Gary,
Certainly not your standard of work, mate - but I was not that impressed with the kit itself.
Best regards
Dave
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A little more progress. I've got most of the interior done and the engine painted Not too much more now before I can get the fuselage buttoned up and start figuring out the finish...hopefully Doug's decals won't be too long in coming...
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Ian
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Keep going, Ian. This is progressing very well!
Yeah, it's crude! Or maybe "basic." You don't get much in these kits, but they do give you lots of opportunity or modern techniques and aftermarket goodies to help with the finished product. Your engine is a prime example! ;)
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Ian,
How's that excellent Hannover progressing of late my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Slow progress on this one but a quick update...
The engine is complete and installed and the fuselage is buttoned up. I've corrected the profiles on the tail which were pretty awful, and given the wings a quick base coat to check all is well. Hope to do the same for the fuselage tomorrow morning. I've fitted the MG but I'm not sure if I'll leave it as is or try to improve the fit a little...
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Ian
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Excellent work, Ian.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking good Ian!
Andrew
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Ian,
She's coming along wonderfully my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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I wish I could give an update, but I'm STILL waiting on Doug's decals, they were ordered over 2 months ago.....I do hope I can get this finished before the end date.....
Ian
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Hello Ian:
I am enjoying watching this build unfold. There was a statement about the kits being "Crude". I liked the term basic. I have a stash of "1/48" Aurora kits. They may be "crude" but they are fun to build, and when the model is finished it looks like the prototype. Considering we are dealing with 50 year old molding/drawings and technology.
Good Job
Best
Mark
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Thanks Mark,
I know Doug had a major setback with a virus that put him back months with the decals. Hopefully they will arrive soon and I can get on with this one.
Ian
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Hi, Ian,
Well, as they say,"We also serve, who only stand and wait." Hopefully your decals will arrive in good time for you to finish by the end of the GB timeline. Excellent work so far, and I look forward to seeing how you finish up the project. Good luck with it! :D
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Crap, I just bought this kit last saturday for the group build as well. Should I pick a different kit?
-Roger
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Thanks Mark,
I know Doug had a major setback with a virus that put him back months with the decals. Hopefully they will arrive soon and I can get on with this one.
Ian
Hello Ian:
Try Ivo on this forum. I ordered a set of decals and they arrived within a week. I don't know if he does 1/72nd though. Give him a PM and see what he has up his sleeve. I know he has a website too.
Best
Mark
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Thanks,
Doug just got in touch again, so hopefully it won't be too long now.....
Ian
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That's looking good, Ian. I'm especially impressed with the engine- they're a tricky build in 1/32, let alone 1/72.
Hopefully your decals will arrive soon, I'd like to see this one finished.
Cheers.
Dal.
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OK folks, 18 months later (no, it didn't take THAT long for the decals to arrive...) and I'm finally back on this one. I dug it out this morning and immediately decided it needed more work on the wings and control surfaces - mainly just thinning them a little more at the trailing edges. That's all done, I've drilled out the hand holds in the upper wing cutout, and fitted lower wing. While waiting for that to dry properly I thought I'd post a couple of pics.
Doug's decals are unfortunately not complete. The wing lozenge is 1st rate, but he decided to do the fuselage as a wrap instead of just providing a sheet to fit as required. Hopefully it will work ok with the alterations I've made around the cockpits. Also the wing midsection lozenge is one wrap around piece, the same colour all across, instead of being lower colours for the underside. At least it will provide a pattern to paint the lower side myself. I'll also have to photocopy it to use as a pattern for the lower tail as no decal has been included for that.
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I'm looking forward to getting on with this now, it's been WAY too long....
Ian
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Ian great work on this little bird.
Martin
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You're making a very good upgrading on this kit. The outer surfaces seems to better than I would've thought, but the inside is desperately empty and you're doing a great job to fill it.
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Ian,
In a way I am glad you took 18 months off on this one, otherwise I would have missied your beautiful build. Having caught up on where you are to date I am extremely impressed! Your interior improvements and the Aftermarlet engine are awesome! Also the fuselage corrections really make a difference. Looking forward to your next update!
RAGIII
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Ian , I really like your take on this kit . I have one in the stash and will follow this for tips .
Terri
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Thanks all!
It's a fun kit to build despite (or perhaps because of?) its shortcomings. Just a small update - I began yesterday thinking I was ready to give it a quick coat of primer to check for blemishes and then spent the whole day improving what I had!
I removed the weird little lump in front of the pilot's cockpit (supposed to be a windshield maybe?) and reshaped the cockpit opening. Somehow I'd missed that previously - it would have been a lot simpler to have done it earlier. I widened it slightly towards the rear and then brought the back edge forward by about 1mm by adding small amounts of Mr Liquid Putty and gradually building it up. The front edge was squared off a little in the same way.
The gunner's ring mounting was added using an Aeroclub part, rounded off at the edges, and added the gun mount using a tiny piece of .020" rod and.... Mr Liquid Putty! How I managed for so long without this stuff I have no idea - it is much stronger than normal putty and easier to file and drill too. I also moved the mounting point for the rear cabane strut about 1.5mm rearwards and 2mm upwards (the original and the newly drilled hole can both be seen on the 2nd pic below). All the rest of the strut mounting holes have also been drilled.
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The wing struts were separated and mounting pins added, and the undercarriage main legs have been made from .016" brass rod and .020x.030" strip. A little liquid putty along the joining edges, and a gentle filing and the seams won't show!
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I've also included a pic of Doug's decals - I know this doesn't do them justice but it gives an idea of what I got. As I mentioned previously, the lozenge is very nice, but I'm not sure about the fuselage. The tail section is fine, but I may paint over the rest using the decal as a guide, then overspray it as required. I think he tried to do the decal as the finished "oversprayed" look and it doesn't quite give the look I want - plus the wing section shouldn't be oversprayed, and the lower tail section is missing completely, so that will enable me to match all those sections to each other. I'm not sure that the "wrap" format will work either - we'll see....
I did mention these points to Doug, so hopefully future prints will be a little better - this was, I believe, his first try at these (It's also only my opinion, and others may find this exactly what they need....)
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Ian
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Terrific work on your final changes! As for the decals it sounds as though you have a good plan to deal with the issues! Looking forward to MORE!
RAGIII
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i got a set of these hannover decals from doug last year. i would suggest tracing the outline on to plain paper cutting them out and trying them on the fuselage to see where you are etc. from what i could see in 1/32 with the wnw kit they dont really fit as is. i made templates and did hours of work and i eventually lost interest when something else struck my fancy. what can i say i'm fickle. but anyway in the case of 1/32 there wasnt enuff decal there to do a full wrap.if i use the top and splice the sides in there was much of the bottom left uncovered. i was intending on making a template for doug so he could adjust his polygons to fit the wnw kit but i just forgot, and havent thought about it in a while. been doing alot of scratching and such lately. perhaps you can make it work in 1/72.idk but templates will be key.
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I'm curious to see how this stage is going to turn out with the decals ...
Terri
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Ian it is a very nice work.
What is about Doug`s webside? Has he another?
I need decals about my Eduard Hanover CL-III and the Gotha G-V.
Hy Albatros can you send me yours from the Han CL and can I change it to 1:48?
Martin
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@Albatros - Doug's decals are not made to cover the bottom unfortunately so mine will have a blue underside.
I had no major problems with the fit of the decals, but they don't stick very well and when I handled it about 5 hrs later part of the tail decal lifted - the same happened around the cockpit today, days later! Hopefully these issues are now resolved....
Here are some pics of the newly applied decals...
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A couple of spots suffered damage where the colours came off, but since I intended to overpaint most of it anyway it wasn't an issue.
After the decals had dried properly (this morning), I mixed up some acryllics to match the lozenge as closely as possible and overpainted the wing centre section, and tail, and painted the nose cowlings, struts, undercarriage and lower tail to match.
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I was actually very pleased with my handywork until I saw this pic of the upper wing! It looks terrible, but believe me, you can't see the bad lines with the naked eye!
I then got out the airbrush and gave the fuselage a blow over of Prussian blue to blend it all in and change the decals from their original purple look....
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Next step will be to give it all a dullcoat, and then mask it and spray the wings white in preparation for the lozenge. I should have done this first but forgot, so know I have made myself a problem - hopefully the decals won't lift!
Ian
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Hey Ian , kinda of a bummer on the decals . I have used Doug's lozenge decals and didn't have this trouble with them . Glad to see you where able to recover them and move forward . Also like the blue over spray , much better .
Terri
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Thanks Terri,
3 more edges have lifted since I posted that, the white glue is getting put to use....hopefully no more!
Ian
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Beautiful overspraying effect with the blue.
Maybe a good coat of Future could definitely secure and harden the decals?
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Ian, sorry for the late response! Your overpainting worked well. Too bad about the lifting of the decals. I hope you have them mastered now? Looking great!
RAGIII
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Looks like a fun build Ian
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Well, I'm getting good at painting the lozenge....I had to redo it a couple of times, then I compared the colours to the Datafile and W&W lozenge I have and the colours were totally wrong! Not sure where the lilac and brown came from, but from what I can see the 4 colour was light and dark green, dull blue, and "dark blond" so...I repainted it all again! I must admit I'm much happier now even though the light green is a little too bright.
The dull blue is RLM 24 Dunkelblau and the dark blond is Afrika Grunbraun, both Modelmaster colours. They are an almost perfect match to the W&W decals - it sort of makes sense that colours that already existed would be used 20 years later instead of remixing them, so maybe there are other matches in the RLM series for WWI colours....
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I also painted and oversprayed the fuselage underside while I was doing it. I may have gone a little too much on the blue overspray but I like the way it looks, so it'll stay.
Next step - not sure yet...I've sprayed the wings white but I'm not sure whether I should respray the upper surfaces in a buff or light tan colour as the W&W decals are so transparent......views from those who've used them would be welcome! Then a gloss coat, drill the rigging holes and add some decals......
Oh, and does anyone know what the rudder colour was for Flieger Abteilung (A) 226? Looking at the pic in the Datafile it is one solid, light colour. Not white as there is plenty of contrast between it and the white of the cross. I'm thinking maybe yellow or light blue?
Ian
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Really looking good, Ian! Love the blue over-spray. The lozenge looks fantastic, as well.
Cheers,
Bud
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One step forward two steps back.... I kept having problems with the decals, they wouldn't stick or form to the details, and wrinkled up, so I finally took the plunge and ripped them off. They came off extremely easily, just like that old painted-on rubber masking that used to be available.
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This really doesn't sit well as I also have a set of Doug's decals for my Merlin AEG G.IV - I guess I'll have to hand paint that too. My advice - don't even think about these decals, they're awful - they won't adhere, won't mould to the details, and separate/wrinkle if handled even a week after application. They behave just like a painted rubber sheath!
A whole week's work down the drain, (not to mention the cost, long wait and overall hassle of these "decals") - but it needs to be right.....
Ian
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Too bad about the decals but you gotta trust your gut-- if it's not working, it's not working, bring on plan B
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Ian,
Certainly a bummer about the decals but as Bo said, go with your gut! On the other hand, what about these :-X
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3588.0
RAGIII
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I saw those the other day, Rick.
I thought about them, but I've decided against wraps for now, especially when the national markings etc are part of the wrap. There's no room for error there. If the camo was a wrap, (or a sheet so I could make templates), and the rest were separate decals, I would probably go for them.
I've just spent the evening marking out the pattern in pencil and labeling the colours so I can be sure I've planned it correctly. Tomorrow I start painting...again!
Ian
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Ian, I'm glad you're back at it. Really too bad about the decals, but I'm
sure you will come out of this with a great model...you certainly have
the build well in hand. I look forward to seeing your next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Almost back to where I was!
All the lozenge is painted, a little touch-up maybe in places, but ready for the blue overspray again. I also changed the colours slightly: Dark Green is Modelmaster Imperial Japanese Army Green, light green is "coach green", a Polyscale railway colour.
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Ian
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What a pity with the decals. Looks like Hannovers moult when summer comes...
it sort of makes sense that colours that already existed would be used 20 years later instead of remixing them, so maybe there are other matches in the RLM series for WWI colours....
An interesting point of view. Also makes sense with the grey-green that almost matches the RLM02.
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Alright, Ian! Looking even better than the decals. Very fine recovery.
Cheers,
Bud
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Nice recovery.
Regarding RLM colors and WWI colors -- possibly. In 1925 the German government standardized colors across all services, based on a color system using indigenous pigments. There was a base palette of pure colors, and the remaining colors were mixed from those in regimented proportions. These colors formed the basis of the familiar two digit RLM colors. For more info see vol 1 of Luftwaffe Colors.
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Alright, Ian! Looking even better than the decals. Very fine recovery.
Cheers,
Bud
Ian,
I agree with my Amigo! Even better than the decals were originally! Excellent work on your recovery from the issues!
RAGIII
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Excellent paintwork on the lozenge, Ian. Really good recovery.
Onward and upward, my friend. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks, Gents!
I hope to get the blue overspray done tomorrow, in between World Cup games. Pics to follow....
Ian
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Here are the promised pics now that the blue overspray has been added.
I'm pleased with the look, but it's not totally accurate for the aircraft I'm modelling. The pic in the Datafile shows very fuzzy edges to the painted lozenge and short of spraying it, which I'm not up to quite yet, I can't replicate that. I've also filed out the area of the Spandau mounting a little to make it sit a little lower and refitted the exhausts.
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I plan on painting the cockpit coaming, gun ring, radiator and header tank next, and drilling all the rigging holes, then the fuselage decals will go on. I have some Wood & Wire faded lozenge decals, but they may be too transparent for my needs so I have ordered some Aviattic as well. I'll try them both to see which I prefer for this project.
Ian
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Not bad at all Ian , turned out then using the decals :) Nice job on hand paint the lozenge pattern on the fuselage . Not something I would attempt .
Terri
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Ian,
Just an awesome job as far as I am concerned! I haven't attempted hand painting a Lozenge pattern since I was a Teen. Yours is excellent and the overspray looks great to my eyes!
RAGIII
PS: My hand Painted Lozenge sucked back then :o
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Hello Ian:
Nice recovery. I like the painted lozenge better than the decal, you did a great job with such a small surface. The overspray looks great and with some dull cote on it and decals, the fuzziness of the underlying lozenge will remain in your knowledge bank alone. It looks great.
Best
Mark
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Just a small update, a little more detail painting and the fairing for the Spandau added...
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Ian
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Sorry about those decals Ian…. but as others have commented, better without than with. The painted lozenges look very good - I remember hand painting one of these when they were first released, but I am not sure that I could do it now. Do keep us posted on an old kit that is basically very good and with a little attention can be turned into a good model, as you are so ably demonstrating.
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Ian, the result of your recovery job is amazing!
Even though I agree with Terri about daring attempting the same technique, would you please explain how did you proceed to get the lozenges hand painted in such a precise way??
BTW you're doing a great work throughout this project!
AnDonio
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Hi Andonio,
I used no special process - using lozenge decals as a pattern guide I drew the lozenge on with a pencil, marking each "lozenge" with a letter to denote its colour so I could be sure I didn't have 2 of the same next to each other. This allowed me to simply erase and rework areas that didn't look right - there were quite a few as I worked on it, usually a problem with colours not being separated and having to go back and change the layout of colours, occasionally I had to add an extra lozenge and reshape the surrounding ones slightly to allow proper separation. I then simply "painted by numbers" - filling in each "lozenge" by hand with a small paintbrush in the colour I had already allocated for that area. It took me only a couple of hours to draw it all out and a couple of days (allowing for drying time) to paint it all. There are still one or two areas that could be improved - the shapes are not quite right where the fuselage sides meet the underside. Be sure to draw each lozenge with 6 irregular sides meeting the surrounding colours - some have 5 but the 6th is a small point between 2 other colours. If you look at the pics hopefully you can see what I mean by that.
Hope that helps... ???
Ian
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WOW Ian, it helps indeed!
I am fascinated by things done in that way, they are much more tiresome but much more rewarding! Even when (see hand painted balken crosses on my Mini Red Baron triplane) they do not look perfect in the end...
Thanks and again congratulations for the work done!
AnDonio
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Thanks Andonio!
Another milestone has been reached today.This is my first attempt at anything with lozenge on it, and as such, my first attempt at covering whole wings with decals. I'm using Aviattic ones and they are very easy to work with and look great! I would prefer a little less translucency personally, but that's just me. I sprayed the undersurfaces white, and the upper surfaces Tamiya Deck Tan - I think I'll stick with the deck tan for underneath too in future, white's a little too pale in my view. Anyway, I thought I'd be at this all day, what with making templates, orientating it all, cutting out, and applying but it's gone surprisingly quickly! I've done all the undersurfaces except the lower wings, where I've done only the upper surfaces. I'll let these all dry properly before trimming them all and completing the other sides! I'm not sure quite how I'll deal with my usual drill-and-thread rigging method. The upper wing should be ok as the crosses will cover the exit holes and any tiny touch-up needed, but the lower wing crosses won't. I'm not sure whether a small patch, if necessary, would be invisible or not.....any tips?
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Ian
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Great Lozenge Ian.
Martin
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Absolutely TERRIFIC work on the Lozenge!
RAGIII
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... I'm not sure whether a small patch, if necessary, would be invisible or not.....any tips?
Ian
Maybe a tiny drip of color or vinilic glue that you can touch up after it dries...
How large is the hole by the way ? Which pin diameter will you use?
Maybe it would be so small that the rigging line fills it completely...
AnDonio
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I think I'll stick with the deck tan for undermeath too in future, white's a little too pale in my view
this is the conclusion I also came up to. My own home printed lozenges are also a little translucent due to using Experts Choice clear decal, and after some trials, I noticed best results were achieved with a light tan undercoat.
Beautiful model so far, lokking forward to see it completed.
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I have finally got the lozenge decals done. ONLY the rib tapes to go ..... I had to order a scalpel and blades to trim the decals as up to now I have never had one in my toolkit, but it certainly helped - and at $6.75 for 100 blades and a free handle I can't complain about the price!
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Ian
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That lozenge work is very good indeed. I'll bet the rib tapes will be a pain to put on but they will be very impressive when they are finished.
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Looking good Ian ! 8)
Terri
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Ian,
Really coming together nicely now. In the right hands, such as yours, these ancient kits can be builld up really well.
Regards
Dave
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Great Lozenge work Ian.
Martin
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Had an afternoon squinting at rib tapes - LM, you were right! This doesn't represent much progress, only the upper surface of the upper wing and ailerons are done, but I'm chuffed with how it looks! I realised too late that I maybe should have clear coated the lozenge first. I never thought of it as I have never applied decals over decals before! I'm hoping there's no silvering..
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I have no idea whether the aircraft I'm modellilng had the guide lines for the gunner, and if it did, what colour they were. But since they were warnings I cut small red strips from some spares box decals and put them on. I think it looks pretty cool! 8)
Ian
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This hasn't been a very good week. I managed to break a wisdom tooth at some stage and it let me know about it Tuesday morning. I had the tooth removed yesterday (Thursday) and am now on painkillers that stop me from working (flying).
I have found the perfect distraction though...putting rib tapes on a biplane! This job is now complete and tomorrow I'll do a gloss coat and add the fuselage decals. I would love to sit back now and have a beer, but I can't do that either!
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The aiming stripes on the upper wing centre section fell off, so I redid them with a different set of rudder stripes. They fell off too. So it will not have them.....
Ian
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It's looking exceptionally good Ian, the lozenge and rib tapes work well together.
Sorry to hear about your tooth, hopefully the pain will subside soon.
Des.
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Hello Ian:
OUCH! But; you have done an admirable job with the rib tapes and have made good progress. You are on the home stretch and I am looking forward to seeing your next update.
Hopefully the pain will subside and you can continue to proceed with your model and enjoy that beverage.
Best
Mark
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Another outstanding update. Looking great!
RAGIII
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Yup , rib tapes can be a slow and tedious job and down right boring at times . Very rewarding once completed .
You did really well on the tapes Ian :)
Sucks about your tooth and I hope the pain will pass quickly .
Terri
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I got all the rest of the decals done today, except the wing crosses which will go on after the rigging is done, and a gloss coat to seal it all. The LF Decals prop logos add a great detail touch...
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I noticed too late that I put the tail cross on way too low. It'll have to stay there now.
Hopefully back to work tomorrow...
Ian
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Such a trip to memory lane for me.
This one and the Roland were my favorite childhood kits.
When I remember it well...the pilot and observer figures were actually pretty good.
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Those rib tapes have really worked well and the overall markings are very impressive. You really are turning another of those old Airfix kits into a little gem.
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Great work, Ian, the tail cross being a minor thing. Looking at the whole,
it is really good. Excellent job of the rib tapes and the propeller is gorgeous!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Ernie is spot-on with his comments, Ian. I never got around to actually making the Airfix Hannover and there is so much to admire in what you have already achieved.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Thanks guys, much appreciated!
A small update - I've done most of the extra detailing needed before fitting the top wing. Windshield, radiator shutter (and relief valve on the upper side), flare rack (flares still to be added) and the cutouts under the rear for lifting the tail (which I should have done right at the start but didn't notice :-[ ) have all been added.
Next up: the struts, top wing, rigging, and landing gear....am I really getting that close to finally finishing this one? ;D
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Thanks for following!
Ian
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Ive been watching this for a while now, Ian. It's looking rather good! I think I'll have to get another one myself.
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I am watching your treat and your build looks better and better.
Martin
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Really shaping up wonderfully Ian :)
Terri
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This is coming together beautifully! I am looking forward to your next step!
RAGIII
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I do have one (or more) of these in the roof and although I am not particularly enthusiastic about kits you are making me think again. This is a really interesting and informative build.
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Hi folks,
I didn't like the flare rack I'd made, so I removed it and made another one, a little smaller. I'm much happier with this one now! I also replaced the Spandau with one from my MAC Pfalz D.III kit as it's a lot better than the Airfix original (surprise).
The upper tail is now on, as are the cabanes. I had a little problem with them, in that everything seemed to measure up ok, but it didn't look square - and wasn't! I had already relocated the rearmost fuselage mounting points and very carefully bent the strut assemblies to fit the new mounting holes, but after remeasuring everything, and all coming out equal, I decided just by the look that the left front cabane mounting point was a fraction too low (I had used the kit moulded front mounting points) After raising it less than 1mm it all looks square and I'm happy with it. One of the problems of working in this scale - it's not always possible to measure things accurately, and very small differances do show. MK1 human eyeball to the rescue!
The original mounting hole has been filled with a small dab of Mr Liquid Putty and will be painted tomorrow. I also hope to start fitting the rigging wires and wing struts very soon....
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Ian
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She is taking shape really nicely now Ian, the improved flare rack looks a lot better, not far from the finish line now.
Des.
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A very impressive build. I know what you mean about accurate measurement in 1/72 scale - very difficult and can/does sometimes lead to problems. However as you point out, eyeball analysis and measurement generally comes to the rescue and sorts things out.
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She is starting to really come together now Ian , nice job on the redo of the flare rack :)
Terri
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Looking good Ian: Flare rack looks the business. The thing with measuring in 1/72nd is that the model might not be exactly 1/72nd and is in actuallity......model scale. Details are sacrifices for fitment of the parts. I am looking forward to seeing your next updates and seeing you work it through to completion.
Best
Mark
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Ian,
As the others said the flare rack is excellent! Your work on the struts despite your difficulty is also looking great!
RAGIII
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Thanks all!
This first shot shows just how small the mounting error was...
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I'm trying a new method for aligning the struts on this one. I cut a piece of old packing material to match the shape of the wing tips, pilot's cutout, and leading edge, then laid it over the wing, marked the strut holes with a fine marker, and drilled them. I used that to align the cabanes. Now they're dry, I simply fitted the outer struts in the lower wing, popped the strut pins into the holes in the see-through "dummy" wing, and aligned it with the cabanes....simple!...I hope it works out! It looks from the pics as though the holes aren't aligned, but the dummy doesn't have the dihedral of the actual wing, so it's sitting a little high in the middle.
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Ian
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That is a very neat and original idea for trying to get the correct alignment for struts. This is a real problem with scratch builds and conversions when wings have been modified or made from scratch. Thanks for telling us of this method - I will be interested to see how it works out - in theory it should be a winner.
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The idea for the wing alignment would have worked a lot better if I'd paid attention - there is no dihedral on the upper wing so the struts were too long! I finally got the top wing on and the struts fitted using my jig, and the rigging is almost complete. The cabane struts were also slightly off and needed a little tweaking - they still don't line up exactly where I'd like them at the upper rear but they'll have to stay where they are now!
Because of the lozenge decals I decided to try a differant method to that I usually use, and only drilled part-way through the lower wing. This appears to have worked ok - I was worried that the line might not have enough grip and would pull out when tightened, but that only happened on one piece, so I think I got away with it.
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A little heat treatment will be needed on one or two lines - I managed to knock the right side drag line and pulled it out of the nose after I'd tensioned it, so it isn't as tight as it should be......
Ian
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This one is looking really good Ian, the top wing appears to have fitted well except as you said the struts were too long, I'm glad you overcame any issues and managed to do the rigging which looks excellent.
Des.
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Hey Ian , I have seen that method before used and is an excellent idea and way of going about it . Does make it a lot easier .
You can set the chamber by using a strip of masking tape run on the underside . Pinch it to the desired chamber hold with the tape .
I'm really impressed on how this is shaping up Ian , You are doing a fantastic job over coming a few obstacles :) 8)
Terri
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Hello Ian:
As mentioned, you overcame an obstacle and persevered and have an outstanding build going here. Lesser folk would have given up! It is looking like an airplane now with the upper wing attached. Looking forward to the final pics.
Best
mark
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To think that this is the old Airfix kit! A tremendous job being done here - impressive all around.
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Ian, Looking really terrific! I am impressed with your work , especially in 1/72nd scale!
RAGIII
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Hello Ian. This is looking so good and I'm finding the build fascinating. I'm reconciled to never building the Airfix Hannover but it's great to see what can be achieved in skilled hands.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Here's a little update:
Heat treatment done on 3 lines but they're still not as taught as I would like. Can't seem to get them any tighter though so they'll have to stay that way. Undercarriage is on and awaiting rigging, which will be done with 4 thou stainless wire, along with the tail, ailerons, and rear cabane lines to the fuselage (just between the cockpits). I've touched up the holes where the rigging exits the wings and I don't think I'll get it any better - I may need to find an alternative in future...
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I've also made a start on the engine coolant plumbing which should be fitted later this week....
Thanks for looking in!
Ian
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All flight control surfaces are now fitted, along with the aileron and elevator actuators (which took a while and nearly drove me cross-eyed), and the wing rigging line spacers, which don't fit exactly, but are very close. The gaps between the spacers and wires can only been seen from one or two specific angles so I'll leave them as is. I have still to add 2 of the 4 aileron cables, and the rudder cables. Now working on the Mini World Parabellum, and have finished building the mounts for it. The next pics, hopefully Tuesday, should be in the Ready for Inspection section......
Ian
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Ian,
Looks terrific! Your build has been great to follow!
RAGIII
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Astonishing work Ian.
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An extreme fine build.
Martin
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I like your build very much. Will use it for reference when same model will come on my bench.
Aleksandar - Culi
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An excellent effort and certainly a tutorial for anyone interested in making a first class model from an old set of mouldings.
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Thanks to all for following this build - all the comments were very kind and helped keep me focused on getting it finished. It took nearly 2 weeks of trial and error to get the parabellum fitted. The main problem being that it is side heavy with the magazine and I couldn't get it to stay in place long enough for the CA to dry. I eventually solved this by fitting the bracket to the gun ring, then adding the gun when it was properly dry (and knocking it off again a few times...).
I'm happy with the result I've achieved. Although it won't stand up to close scrutiny at competition level, it's been a great learning process. It's the first time I've used decals on the wings and I tried new techniques for the rigging which didn't work as well as I'd hoped. Two of the lines came loose: one of the strut cross-bracing wires, which was removed and replaced with stainless wire, and the rear right side landing wire which will unfortunately have to stay as it is. I haven't added any rigging to the tail braces as it would appear from various pics that not all these aircraft had the tail rigged. Certainly the pic of this particular aircraft shows no signs of any turnbuckles etc which may hint at rigging wires.
Here's one pic, the rest are in the ready for inspection page.
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Thanks again for all the encouragement!
Ian
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A very exellent for this kit.
Martin
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Hello Ian:
What an accomplishment you have achieved with this build. It looks great from the one picture. Hopefully you will post more in the finished side.
Best
Mark
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Already commented in the completed models section but will add a WOW here!
RAGIII