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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: zavod44 on January 12, 2015, 03:36:28 PM
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So I feel like I'm a little late to this. I have been working on this kit off and on for well over two years. I have been building very slowly. Sometimes I didn't touch this for 8 months at a time, life and things got in the way. But a year ago I made a promise to myself I would have it done for a model contest in October......well I missed that. Work was very hectic, but I am now in a position that the kit is very close to being done....I have been taking pictues along the way so what I figured is that I would come here and post as many pictures as I could at a time....it will be a build log but it will not be happening in real time, until I'm caught up and then we can go from there....I'm sorry if I am not making any sense. I just saw some other Gotha kits being built and it gave me the courage to post pictures of my own. Keep in mind this is the first ever airplane kit i have built. Of course I did a few when I was a kid but this is the first one that I decided to do it the way I usually build other models.....I think I actually posted a few pictures of this here many moons ago and I wouldn't expect anyone to remember them so I'll start at the beginning....
Here is the kit with the interior painted and the engines built
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/DSCN0205_zps422aaa7c.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/DSCN0205_zps422aaa7c.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/DSCN0211_zps6666d11f.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/DSCN0211_zps6666d11f.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/DSCN0213_zps754aa590.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/DSCN0213_zps754aa590.jpg.html)
I used the HGW seatbelts. I used oils to do the wood grain.
Here's where the plot thickens...I decided to use the wonderful Pheon decals and do the Lori 2 markings. However I disagreed with Rowans idea that it was just painted dark blue. I think it was field painted with the night hex cammo pattern. I have had some discussions with a few people whom I trust and they think this plane was covered in hexes rather than just painted blue. I really don't want to get into that discussion here I think that's for another day and another place. I want to concentrate on the model I'm building. So anyhow I decided to do Lori 2 in a night Hex pattern. So the first thing I did was draw up a hex pattern in Illustrator and cut the hexes on a vinyl cutter. Now I have a masking pattern and I can begin the work. Mind you this is all a learning experience so I have tried to be very cautious along the way not to miss anything. I'm not an old hand at airplanes let alone a giant biplane.
Anyhow the first thing I did was decide what colors I wanted to use. I found some help from some people on line and I found a color combination I liked. It was black, dark blue, a maroon color and gray. I was still going to follow the patterns in the Pheon set, with some areas being the original light blue color. So I painted those areas light blue. They were masked and then everything was pained the dark blue color. Then the mask was applied
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20130819_242412368_HDR_zps75ea083c.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20130819_242412368_HDR_zps75ea083c.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20130819_242340438_HDR_zps4b1cc12a.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20130819_242340438_HDR_zps4b1cc12a.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20130824_164343_zps3b46e943.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20130824_164343_zps3b46e943.jpg.html)
It started to get confusing and I labeled every color so I would know what color to paint what.....
Then each color that was to be painted the hex was removed and sprayed. When it was dry a mask was replaced back in the pattern and the next color was removed and sprayed
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20130828_240335793_HDR_zps709b48a0.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20130828_240335793_HDR_zps709b48a0.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20131113_224303300_zpsljrync7j.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20131113_224303300_zpsljrync7j.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20130828_240350596_HDR_zpsda3f867a.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20130828_240350596_HDR_zpsda3f867a.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20131113_224308454_zpszxzguko9.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20131113_224308454_zpszxzguko9.jpg.html)
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20131109_154331318_HDR_zpsap4vccod.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20131109_154331318_HDR_zpsap4vccod.jpg.html)
Once the colors were done, I removed all the masks and it looked like this
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/Gotha/IMG_20131221_150420892_zpsndlm09om-1.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/Gotha/IMG_20131221_150420892_zpsndlm09om-1.jpg.html)
So I know I'm not doing this according to conventional wisdom, but I think this is correct and I'm feeling good about it. In reality it took me about a year to get to this point
More to come.........
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Impressive work.
I really don't want to get into that discussion here I think that's for another day and another place. I want to concentrate on the model I'm building.
Nevertheless, i would like to learn how you came to your conclusion that Lori2 was hex-painted, and what colours you decided to use.
Please share your thoughts - i don't think they distract from your modelling.
Stefan
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You are doing a superb job with this build, the internal wood is an excellent colour and the engine looks very well done. You went to an enormous amount of effort to get the lozenge pattern on the fuselage and what you achieved is brilliant, looking forward to seeing more of this build.
Des.
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I agree 100% with Des! Brilliant work and tremendous Modeling skills!
RAGIII
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Hello there!!!
I think that your Gotha looks terrific!!! I've been looking for some scheme with this camouflage pattern and I'm pleased that It's possible it exists(ed) :) I'm not sure how I go with actual build (it is in the stars when I will build one) but I'm intending buying this kit next month, hopefully still in stock...
Anyway, I would be interested in how you came to this conclusion too ;) Have another opinion cannot hurt this topic :)
Cheerio
Lukas
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I have no idea if the hex pattern is correct or not (I trust your research), but it is awesome to behold! Thanks for sharing with us,
Chris
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I'm with Chris.
It is clear that you've put enough research into it so that it is at least historically plausible.
It is also incredibly attractive and my hat's off to you for the amount of work and level of your craftsmanship.
You are clearly an experienced and fine model builder so please share with us a note about what else it is that you build.
Mostly, keep going and keep sharing...this is fab.
Cheers from NYC,
Michael
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Zavod 44,
That's very impressive work, a lot of effort rewarded by excellent results. It's a very impressive Model thus far, and I agree with Michael, you've done a lot of "homework" on your subject and the colour scheme is appropriate, especially if you are pleased with it. Very nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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I have found this scheme is plausible. Someone who had done a whole lot of more research than I would even begin to know how to do, sent me a bunch of different Methuen swatches with different combinations of the colors that were used. Apparently this scheme was field applied on an AEG G IV. I tried this scheme with green instead of the gray which apparently was used frequently on the Gotha G IV's, and I could never get it the way I liked it. I found plenty of G IV's with hex cammo. I am no expert on this subject. I suppose with everything there needs to be a little artistic license. We all strive to make it a "beautiful" piece of art. At the end of the day I have to like it, or I won't feel good about it in the end. Oh and thank God for B&W photography....I can never be right, and I can never be wrong ;)
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Very great work.
Martin
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Awesome paintwork, Brian! I think this scheme is not only plausible, but likely. I admire your patience!
Cheers,
Bud
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Whichever way the actual scheme was on Lori the work you're doing is truly superb. My patience would have disappeared long ago!
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Okay so here is an update....at was prob another three months by the time I got to this stage but it seems to be coming along :)
I wanted to do the nacelles int he original light green color. I though it would make a nice contrast to the very busy cammo scheme. It would break up the pattern and give some interesting color as a whole.....I used the wonderful Gaspatch turnbuckles. I plan to paint the rigging lines a darker color....
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-tY9EKBIpdxE/VATSo_1hcBI/AAAAAAAAT_8/9ZE8ODxXpgI/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140901_150911842.jpg)
I Wanted to leave the rudder in the original light blue color as well. I thought it would enhance the idea that it was a field repaint. Again I thought it would break up the monotony. Plus I really wanted to use the cool Gotha triangle logo. The Pheon decal got the logo right. The WNW decal is not as detailed, and therefore I wanted to make sure that decal got on this model.....
You can see the subtle weathering I did on the rib tapes on the top wing. I did it by masking it and spraying a very thin dark brown wash over the tape. I was very pleased with the result......
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-porWtKYTBA4/VATSrkNda9I/AAAAAAAAUAI/HHD6Cm0Wdes/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140901_150919969_HDR.jpg)
Another view of the cockpit.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-yFm-uoN32aQ/VATS1NQtCiI/AAAAAAAAUAg/0laa44gFXdc/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140901_150942769.jpg)
I tried to capture the faded rubber look on the tires....We do know for sure Lori 2 had light colored wheels and darker rubber tires....
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AogxrmA2zGY/VATTR_lisoI/AAAAAAAAXFQ/rTiKYRuJeyo/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140901_151214798.jpg)
Well another month went by and I was able to get the wheels on and the fuselage mounted to the center wing section...
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z6djWNP1Wrw/VBuzKvWVScI/AAAAAAAAUmc/n_Oq1Ccm3AA/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233644004.jpg)
In retrospect I would not have mounted the wheels and landing gear until much later.....
A few details
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vUgISOVIMFQ/VBuzduwvS_I/AAAAAAAAUm0/yufDhFwxPqE/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233658723.jpg)
The beautiful Pheon Gotha logo decal
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-geM3Q1CR5Bs/VBu0QnQMyGI/AAAAAAAAUoI/raPQ_pb1yF8/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233855200.jpg)
I replaced the shock cord on the tail skid with some kind of braided fishing line.
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-eWcURZ-vSZE/VBu0KK6RfZI/AAAAAAAAUn8/-v4vERmCYpg/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233836572_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-lqKg81KdVGE/VBu0CzX8HsI/AAAAAAAAUnw/P0Z4MzgqW_A/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233816832_HDR.jpg)
I noticed on the real Gotha that the points where the rigging lines passed through on the fuselage they looked like pipes. So I used .5mm brass tubes. Cut into small sections and carefully glued in the slots on the kit
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-6mkNvH12esY/VBu0SS-fyhI/AAAAAAAAUoU/6iQB3vEW7JM/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233904203.jpg)
Subtle weathering over the decals and along the fuselage
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-z8TR4pKvjoQ/VBu0bs1N4CI/AAAAAAAAUog/HFsW7s2_B6k/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233913384_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-LXqD2Abj-Rk/VBu0i3tP5uI/AAAAAAAAUo4/ZcIbgoxXQks/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233934002_HDR.jpg)
I replaced the radiators with the wavy mesh. I can't remember who made them but they came out pretty nice to my eye.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-5eL1N-35YBM/VBu0esG-x_I/AAAAAAAAUos/-vA09nlwxNE/w857-h482-no/IMG_20140918_233923004_HDR.jpg)
More to come........Tomorrow I'll begin the rigging of the fuselage ;)
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What a great update ! I really like your weathering and the engine is superb :D
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Wonderfull!
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This is a really great model coming together! I love alternative finishes - many, many of the schemes we put forward are based on the flimsiest of photographic evidence. Many modellers naturally seek certainties with colours and markings and whilst for later eras high(er) degrees of confidence can be possible, "our" period has less information and usually a particular aircraft has just one photograph available and that often taken from an angle which makes it difficult to know the actual details. The only photograph I know of of Lori 2 was taken from head on after an allied attack on its aerodrome. All I could discern was the dark colour of the main airframe and a light nose marking and the suggestion of a light panel to the rear of the fuselage.
The fact that Lori2 was Gotha-built was pointed out to me by Richard Alexander (before it has been shown as an LVG machine) and certain similarities with 406/16 indicated that this could be the same machine, after an in-service repaint. The repaint was prompted by the change from day to night bombing operations and the complex hexagon pattern could well have been applied using locally available paints (the hexagon pattern was, as far as I know, only factory-applied by LVG but it could well have been copied at the unit from an LVG-built G.IV); there is so much conjecture here that your choice of colours can only be guided by circumstantial evidence and what "looks right" to your eye - I think it looks absolutely stunning and cannot think of any reason to say it isn't correct, so well done in choosing it and even more plaudits for the faultless execution!
The green Gotha logo was suggested to me by James Fahey (Jamo) who alerted me to the different style and colour of the insignia applied to some Gothas. James very kindly sent me photos of the logo and colour photo of an existing Gotha prop which clearly showed it as being mostly green. The WNW rendition is also correct for some aircraft. Once again, I have no reason other than circumstantially informed guesswork to assume that the green logo was right for Lori2 - but it does look very nice, I must say! I am more grateful than I can say for this sort of help, without which our decal sets would be so much the poorer - if produced at all!
A truly great model this and it's starting to get me motivated to have a go at my own G.IV, sitting on the shelf with its other neglected bretheren..... but then the Felixstowe should be along soon, and I want to do another pair of D.VIIs and a couple of Albatri and start my Alcock A1/ Sopwith Mouse project and and.....
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The only photograph I know of of Lori 2 was taken from head on after an allied attack on its aerodrome.
Rowan, you're speaking of the photo with the bomb crater in front of the aircraft, yes?
I Wanted to leave the rudder in the original light blue color as well.
Zavod44, you managed to confuse me - talking about a light blue rudder but showing a white one instead?
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The only photograph I know of of Lori 2 was taken from head on after an allied attack on its aerodrome.
Rowan, you're speaking of the photo with the bomb crater in front of the aircraft, yes?
Yes, that's the one.
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Hello there,
to Zavod44- absolutely fantastic work!!! I don't really know that much about real thing but I'm almost certain that I'll try same camouflage in the future... great build and truly remarkably executed hexagonal camouflage!!! ;) Love it!!!
Cheerio
Lukas
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Wonderfull!
+1! Wow!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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This just keeps getting better with every update. Great detail and beautifully done Zavod 44!
Cheers,
Lance
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Absolutely outstanding work on display here. I tip my hat to you for your perseverance in tackling that paint scheme. It all looks superb.
Cheers,
Chris
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I love the dirty looking engine... it looks spot on to me! Great work.
Chris
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This looks really great - the hex camouflage is extremely impressive and kudos for pulling that off so well!
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Rowan I want to commend you on that decal sheet. The reason I like your Gotha logo is because it has the proper detail on the logo. I think the WNW logo is a little simplified. Still great just a little simplified.
Okay I'll give you my theory on why I think Lori2 has Hex cammo. Now is this based on the only known photo, but here is my theory. I have only been into WW I aircraft for a short time, and this is just a theory. I was looking at a bunch of pictures in the Windsock book, (which I know they don't want their pictures shown without consent) and I noticed that when these night painted Gothas were painted in hexes or lozenge they always seem to render almost black in pictures. It's not until you see them from a different angle that you can even tell they had a pattern. Erika the Gotha GV is a good example. Sometimes it just looks black, and only from another angle you can see it is night lozenge. There is also Gotha GV picture on the WNW website where the nose of the aircraft looks black until you look closely and can see the edges of the color break on the pattern. So to my eye Lori2 renders black in the picture, albeit very hard to see. I also feel you can almost see the break lines of the cammo on the nose. I think there is a faint line that may be the edge of a painted hex. Also if you look down the fuselage it looks like there is reflections of the different gloss levels of the painted on hexes. It seems a lot of times the field applied hexes have different gloss levels between the colors. Now I know this is a stretch, and as Rowan said this is all conjecture. I do feel that the light blue color of MoRoTas renders very very light in pictures which led me to further believe that Lori2 may be darker. That's my theory and I'll stand by it. At the end of the we are dealing with 100 year old B&W photography. In the end I made the leap of faith. I think it's one of the things that has actually drawn me to the world of WW I aircraft. Thanks for the kind words.....
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The only photograph I know of of Lori 2 was taken from head on after an allied attack on its aerodrome.
Rowan, you're speaking of the photo with the bomb crater in front of the aircraft, yes?
I Wanted to leave the rudder in the original light blue color as well.
Zavod44, you managed to confuse me - talking about a light blue rudder but showing a white one instead?
I actually misspoke, the rudder is indeed the very light blue color of the rest of the plane, it's hard to tell with everything else being so dark. If I hold a paper next to it I can tell it's blue. I do call it white but it's most definitely light blue..... :)
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That's my theory and I'll stand by it.
And thank you very very much for providing how you came to your conclusions. This is the part i like most - making something out of a photograph.
Stefan
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I have to say it is a real pleasure to read these extremely interesting exchanges between gentlemen with well informed opinions. Oi, how I hate the Experten weighing in on other websites with no more than ego to support their theories.
Three cheers from NYC,
Michael
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Here is a link to the WNW site, I can't link the specific picture, so you need to look through the thumbnails, it's the one of an SSW Gotha G IV with two men in the pulpit, one older man with a beard. You can see how dark this aircraft is and you can also see it's painted at least three different colors, and it's an irregular lozenge pattern. In the photo its almost entirely black, it seems to be a trend with the planes that have the dark cammo, they render black in photographs. It's my observation. As I said in the windsock book I kept seeing this as well. It's a theory...... :)
http://www.wingnutwings.com/ww/productdetail?productid=3006&cat=1#
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I have to say it is a real pleasure to read these extremely interesting exchanges between gentlemen with well informed opinions. Oi, how I hate the Experten weighing in on other websites with no more than ego to support their theories.
Three cheers from NYC,
Michael
As I said I'm a complete newbie in this world, there are so many who have devoted their lives to this subject, and will know much more than I could ever dream of knowing. I'm just trying to not look like a complete nit wit here. I am no expert at all.... Honestly that why I was a little reluctant to post this here, I knew I was going against some conventional wisdom and I didn't want to insult anyone of make myself look dumb. So I have been toiling away in my basement on this without sharing.
Thanks everyone for the kind words. It's makes me feel like I didn't make a horrible choice.....
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It's a truly lovely model Zavod, and like others, makes me want to dig out my Gotha. Your lozenge theory holds enough water for me.
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It's funny you say you were inspired, I was actually inspired by Jeanluc when he posted his Gotha, that's what gave me the courage to post mine...... :)
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Hello Zavod:
What ever the theory, your work is truly outstanding! The lozenge would have driven any one else mad and a lesser man would have given up or never started it. You persevered and did an outstanding job.
Best
Mark
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Your work is just absolutely AWESOME! As others have said your patience is unbelievable, as is the skill needed to do what you have done!
RAGIII
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Exellent.
Martin
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Mini update......now the timeframe is at last September. I had some dillusion I could get it done for the MMSI show here in Chicago. Little did I know there was still a ton of work to do...... Anyhow I was able to do the rigging on the fuselage
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-C7nlKAc70CE/VCt54nEymgI/AAAAAAAAUzA/KQK64UrddEc/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224738418.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-rOYHl1boOXc/VCt5ybbsGrI/AAAAAAAAUyo/uggBcMH46hE/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224724601.jpg)
I decided to give the elevators a pronounced "droop". All the pictures of the Gothas sitting on the airfialds seem to look this way
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-MPy5K5sqhBk/VCt5ZWjiy7I/AAAAAAAAUyQ/gi-Y6gvGWCg/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224649827.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-CJ5pCxjnDEE/VCt5PE4n1QI/AAAAAAAAUxg/_6quw3kBSlM/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224600234_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-hqNKO8Ck7KQ/VCt5Mvhw27I/AAAAAAAAUxU/3pZpKmWv50o/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224553148.jpg)
Got the lower wings mounted, strongly suggest using tube cement for the wing attachments.....
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0K8PfseCdTM/VCt6ClhjKaI/AAAAAAAAUzk/FE_NgG19ZZ0/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224847423_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-pD31Hd0fRME/VCt5-zAhzrI/AAAAAAAAUzM/t3Ze3JjpBps/w933-h525-no/IMG_20140930_224823800_HDR.jpg)
Maybe by tomorrow I can get this build log up to date!
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fantastic ;) ;) ;)
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Okay this update will bring us up to date.......Last weekend I just had to get something done on this model. So I took the front interplane struts that had the rigging embedded in them, and I edge drilled them to accept the rigging lines. The design of the Gotha is strange and this makes the rigging difficult. Anyhow I glued the rigging lines in and I used tube cement to glue on all the interplane struts to the lower wings. Once the glue started to set on the struts I decided it was time that the top wing went on. I do want to mention that by this stage in the game I have drilled and attached the Gaspatch eyelets. I also made eyelets from copper speaker wire that I put through the Gaspatch Turnbuckles. All that had been glued on before I attached the wings.
Here are both of the wings finally mounted and it's really looking like a Gotha now....
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-pRRYNKL3TWk/VLISUh8pn8I/AAAAAAAAXDE/3mwWMSleczQ/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150111_240353108_HDR.jpg)
I would strongly suggest standing the plane up so the tail is straight up in the air, it seemed to make it easier to line up the wings to the cabane struts. I was really scared to start mounting the upper wing, but with patience and perseverance it actually went okay. I'm not going to say easy but it did go together. I used superglue to attach the top wing. I wanted an instant bond, I thought if the glue had to take a long time to set up, I might have problems.......anyhow it worked well for me.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3BRLmKL_5Fg/VLISjZ4wAoI/AAAAAAAAXEM/BqEgFmiiEB4/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150111_240446055_HDR.jpg)
Here you can see the rigging line in the front struts
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-DFYHDx9v_2I/VLISm-VYDHI/AAAAAAAAXEk/DQ0KINJM11o/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150111_240505086_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-ITK7ru9DyHc/VLISgLwWasI/AAAAAAAAXDo/saiqmdkM2Zg/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150111_240413516_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3jGJGgARFuw/VLIadqTr8II/AAAAAAAAXE4/nVVqY9Nh4Ps/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150111_243837036_HDR.jpg)
So that was my last few years, that's the way the it sits on the bench today. We are up to date. I hope to get back at it tomorrow night.....
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Looking terrific! I see you have begun to locate the rigging lines. Should really be awesome once rigged!
RAGIII
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You have done an awesome job up until now, looking forward to seeing you continue with this amazing build.
Des.
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What a big and beautiful model ! :)
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Thanks for showing this history step by step. I am especially impressed with masked and airbrushed losenge. Great modelling all around!
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The more you show form your build, the more i am impressed. Lori2 is such a beautiful aircraft - the tarnstoff camouflage suits her very well.
I am already looking forward to your next set of updates.
Stefan
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Hello to all,
A king size pleasure reading your post. Fantastic !!! I like it.
Best regards.
Alain.
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that's a real centerpiece you have there. Very impressive mate.
Anthony
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Awesome, I realy like your tarnstoff-painting :o
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It is so great your painting and work.
Martin
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Just a few quick pics, did some work on the bombs and bomb racks. I got the weathering where I like it. Put the pins in the nose of the bombs. I drilled out the middles of the bomb racks. One of the very few shortcomings of the WNW kit. I also used parts of the HGW PE set for the bomb racks. I still need to add the straps. I also drilled out the rear of the bombs.....
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-vimvujttPMY/VLvqjaZBIrI/AAAAAAAAXMg/dWhrvd-M6fs/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150118_111633049.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Jz92LWkhfJs/VLvqY1w_ciI/AAAAAAAAXL8/wnZzehlnPtY/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150118_111605946.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-8RtqpWuneVM/VLvqlMSE7HI/AAAAAAAAXMs/QA95LwW8PRQ/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150118_111652851.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-aytIAyW-SO8/VLvrAFssNII/AAAAAAAAXNo/lBSZncseWs4/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150118_111744878_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T29OPmGTjLI/VLvquxvaI-I/AAAAAAAAXM4/W1swXDwtY3I/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150118_111725604.jpg)
More pictures later, going back down to Zavod 44( my workshop) to do more work tonight.....
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Lovely detailing work on the bombs, well done.
Des.
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My pictures were a little overexposed, I'll do some more work and take a few more.....
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One of the very few shortcomings of the WNW kit.
Can you please provide us with a list of what YOU think the kit's shortcomings are (apart from the lower bomb racks)?
Stefan
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For me, the only real issue I had was the bomb racks. I didn't like the molded on bomb straps either, but this is real nit picking. I need to say to the WNW crew that this is not a complaint. The work these guys do is incredible These kits are amazing. I have built models from every kit manufacturer. WNW is among the finest, if not the best.... But as far as I can tell the bomb area is the only thing I could tell that really needed some attention. The only other thing which I had some problems with was the rigging guide, there was some tricky spots that prob needed some detail views. That could just be the fact that I don't really know a bunch of things about WW I aircraft. So maybe there are things that are common knowledge to most people, that I just don't know. I do realize that this kit is not for beginners :). The fun for me has been the learning aspect. This is waaaaayyyy outside my comfort zone, so it's been a real blast working on this......
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Had some time, got the ailerons on, more work to the bombs.....started rigging, very tedious....
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Got the external fuel tanks on as well....
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-nU5hyceJxic/VNBlsvZq_rI/AAAAAAAAXes/Kc07NA9q1Mk/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150203_240724612_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-gDA5THb95ik/VNBlUN_TlNI/AAAAAAAAXd8/MfSkSydjtT0/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150203_240558963.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-jkyo4F8XMiw/VNBl0kUiYWI/AAAAAAAAXfc/Mq047wosnhM/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150203_240808153_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-xhdwDcsFPdI/VNBmAmDTYuI/AAAAAAAAXfo/puKMEY0ku9g/w933-h525-no/IMG_20150203_240820960_HDR.jpg)
I'm so close I can taste it!
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For something that is way outside your comfort zone you have done a superb job. The model looks absolutely fantastic and you are doing a wonderful job on the bombs, I'm looking forward to seeing this model fully rigged, the finish line is in sight, well done to date.
Des.
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Love those bombs!
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Those bombs are da bomb!
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Bombtastic!
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Fantastic update! Lovely work on the Bombs and great start on your rigging.
RAGIII
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What a beauty! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Hello there,
Love bombs!!! Or rather your bombs and paint job on them :)
Lukas
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Fantastic build, really nice, the bombs look just like the ones I saw in the museum in Brussels.
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Spectacular work on this model, Zavod.
One "but". Looking at the weathered ordnance I have always doubts. This stuff was used just once...
My doubts notwithstanding, you are building a fantastic model.
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Spectacular work on this model, Zavod.
One "but". Looking at the weathered ordnance I have always doubts. This stuff was used just once...
My doubts notwithstanding, you are building a fantastic model.
Yeah but it would sit around outside in piles that were constantly being moved etc.
(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q144/treasured_antiquities/auctionpics7/wwiartillerydumprppc1.jpg) (http://s135.photobucket.com/user/treasured_antiquities/media/auctionpics7/wwiartillerydumprppc1.jpg.html)
(http://www.racingvincent.co.uk/27_Blog_5.5/Blog%20Photos%20550/LBN0077.jpg)
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Point taken, Bo!
And sorry, Zavod for this interruption in your fine build thread.
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Love those bombs!
+1
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I had the same thoughts...why are all the bombs so wrecked looking, but every picture I see they are really rough looking. So I just tried to make what I see.... :)
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Update....
Rigging is done....
I must admit this is a very tedious endeavor. I have to give a lot of credit you you long time WWI builders. It's insane, At times I felt like I needed to be ambidextrous and I needed a third hand. Rigging anything is tough and this was a triumph of the will. I think I prob had a good ten to twelve hours in rigging this. Yes I made some mistakes that I had to correct, yes I learned a ton, I will know what to do and what not to do in the future. I have one line that went slack that I will replace, but overall I feel good. The "Y" shaped lines on either side of the nacelle were a real character builder, but with lots of planning I was able to get it like I wanted. I used the gaspatch stuff and I thought it was great. I rigged it with .015 fishing line, it looked good to my eye so I went with it. Oh I also realized it's very hard to photograph the rigging....
I did the center section first.....
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-_v7s5tofGUE/VOFbu9GYFaI/AAAAAAAAXtM/C5Ze6HLWGDw/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150215_205328994_HDR.jpg)
Then I got the tops all connected.....
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-grGe0ck0x3g/VOLcn_c-CLI/AAAAAAAAXss/VfV-CVMcj58/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150217_241139534.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-gP-ojdNvjRY/VPOSP2c7q4I/AAAAAAAAX5M/Pt_PsKdarXo/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150301_162640957_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-GbpSiIqJwmk/VPOSPI27-jI/AAAAAAAAX5A/d1qUl8tGyXM/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150301_162624573_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-DQehHkPw5P0/VPOSOAVLOtI/AAAAAAAAX40/hJhVDI9acCE/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150301_162605360.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-Nn4IuYqoyWQ/VPOSMNQBIhI/AAAAAAAAX5w/H6pTbXS9Izc/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150301_162552269_HDR.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-QLnj9jHvHBQ/VPOR4ybuYvI/AAAAAAAAX4Q/Vn388P4pbBg/w1540-h867-no/IMG_20150301_162516725_HDR.jpg)
Got to tell you, this was a real character builder. Now I just need to paint the guns, mount the bombs, and a few other details, touch up here and there, a few lines need another coat of paint......got to keep going, nose to the grindstone, the end is in sight!
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Just have to say again what an amazing build this is and the rigging looks great - you are in the home-stretch now!
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Exellent rigging and work.
Martin
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Just have to say again what an amazing build this is and the rigging looks great - you are in the home-stretch now!
++++1!
Absolutely beautifully done Zavod! Your finish is wonderfully "clean" yet she looks used. The rigging is the neatest job I think I've seen here, a real compliment to your patience and particularly your skills. I hope you will be entering her in a few contests, the quality of work and magnificent results are Gold Medal material!
I'm really looking forward to the Completed Model photos, take your time as you ease over the finish line.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Zavod:
This is outstanding work you have here. The weathering of the bombs is quite realistic. Can you explain how you did the "Y" rigging? Your rigging is truly outstanding and one of the hurdles I have to overcome if I ever do another Gotha.
Thanks
Mark
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Hello gentlemen,
A very beautiful work !!! I like the big box under Gotha too... ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
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A Beautiful build all around and as has been said the rigging is OUTSTANDING!
RAGIII
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Hello gentlemen,
A very beautiful work !!! I like the big box under Gotha too... ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
I needed a stand to elevate the kit closer to my face :) :), what better than that huge box ;). Give me a few days and I'll explain how I did the "Y" brace, I had to put some thought into it. As I am no expert I had to do some experimenting. But I was very happy with the result. I can tell you it's the fine easy line.......
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Good Lord that's a stunning model! Wonderful job!
Chris
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A gorgeous looking model with fantastic paint, the rigging is absolutely first class, one of the finest looking Gotha models I have ever seen.
Des.
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Very impressive - i think you are now near to finishing this fine model.
Stefan
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That's a really nice Gotha, you're a braver man than I!
Warren
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Wonderful. ;D
Adam.
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Zavod, regardless of the length of time building this huge model, you have
done a superb job, especially considering this is your first WWI model in a
very long time! You have amazing talent and the Gotha as it nears completion
is already a show stopper! All you have to do now is wait for the next
competition and you will have a shoe-in with this lovely huge aeroplane. ;) :D
Well done and thank you for giving us the build log!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Just gorgeous! Very inspiring.
Cheers,
Bob
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Beautifully, simple beautifully --- I like the painting.
I am pleased that the two drain cocks were not forgotten on the water coolers.
Late, but they are now there. 8)
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This is one excellent build that I'm following closely!
One question:
How you manage to do this wire circled in red? I'm strugling with that at the moment
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I'll try to explain, I don't have any pictures at the moment but I'll go home and take pictures and show you what I did.... As you know this is a very tricky wire to do. And I tried a bunch of stuff but i didn't have any success. I tried tying mono filament line and I couldn't get it to work. I tried tying the fine EZ line. So when you tie two pieces of line together you end up with a knot in the middle and four lines sticking out in four directions...SO I cut one line off and when I stretched it, it came unraveled and fell apart. I tried to put a little glue on the know but that deformed the line and it didn't look so good. So I kept trying to figure it out. I had a bright idea, what if I held two of the lines together and stretched the other two into the "Y" shape. Once I stretched it real tight you couldn't tell that two lines were sitting right next to each other. So that way my knot held tight and I could do what I had to do. At that point I just glued the two lines to the inside of the engine access door, and then I drilled holes in the top wing and fed it through pulled it tight and staked it with a sharpened piece of plastic rod. I'll take some pictures because I know it's hard to understand without pictures.....I'll take some tonight......
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Okay I must profusely apologize for these horrible photos, they are horrible. I had a chance to show a demo of how I did the "Y" shape rigging.....
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-NGDBv9h_VOE/VQ8KEQ1Y5XI/AAAAAAAAYOk/IO7PPJS_VrM/w1155-h867-no/IMG_20150322_132659.jpg)
Here are my two pieces of fine EZ line.....
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-3ypfK846C3I/VQ8KHm8a_6I/AAAAAAAAYSI/t8t9guqpo9w/w1155-h867-no/IMG_20150322_132811.jpg)
Tied them in a simple knot
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-X58kRA5oYIU/VQ8KLkpORHI/AAAAAAAAYPI/XJESpBDBjnE/w1155-h867-no/IMG_20150322_132848.jpg)
Hold two of the lines together, these are the two I glued inside of the engine access panel
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-xvlrrbggT7A/VQ8KR3N9BzI/AAAAAAAAYPs/ZYh1PwVqMOk/w1155-h867-no/IMG_20150322_132947.jpg)
Voila! The two in the clamps are the ones I passed through the top wing and staked. As you can see once the bottom two lines that are held together are pulled so tight you can't tell that they are really two lines side by side, they just appear as one. If I did it again, I would try to put them through an eyelet and pass them through a tube like I did for all the rest. That is up to you, but I think this is a pretty easy way to do this "Y" rigging. Make sure you leave plenty of slack for the two arms.
I got some work done, this weekend. I should have another update soon.
Sorry for these horrible pictures again.....
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Excellent, thank you very much!
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Does that help?
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Hello gentlemen,
Yes, very helpful. Thanks a lot.
Best regards.
Alain.
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I got the bombs on last night, I hate turning the model over at this point, all the lines go slack and it makes me cringe. I don't think I'll need to turn it over any more. I will say now that the bombs are fitted this kit has become very hard to move around. You always know when a model is close to being done because it becomes almost impossible to touch it.......
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-6r9RjXMM1xw/VRtzH1yaJkI/AAAAAAAAYlY/AgVbHCGYjrQ/w1549-h872-no/IMG_20150331_232450625_HDR.jpg)
I hope to button this up this weekend, we'll see if I can do it. :) :)
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Exellent build and paint.
Martin
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Your Gotha looks outstanding, especially all bombed up!
RAGIII
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I thought to myself, the whole reason the Gotha exists, is just for the bombs......it's just a platform to deliver those weapons someplace. Those bombs are the most important thing.....Okay maybe I have been in the basement too long working on this project. I might be thinking too much about this.....The only other thing that is saving the rest of my mind, is that Google Play Music just released the whole Led Zeppelin library and the whole Metallica library. I just got my vintage SX-850 Pioneer Receiver back from being totally refurbished and I got my Optimus 1000's and my Akai SW-130 speakers re-foamed. So I am now set for another major project. I'm thinking converting the WNW GIV to a GVb....maybe I am delirious ???
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Man, this is looking really marvelous.
Sound is SO important! I feel bad for the younger generation who has only ever heard Led Zeppelin (or Mozart or Charlie Parker) through ear buds. I envy you having gotten your system refurbished....mine needs it badly.
Cheers from NYC,
Michael
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Your Gotha is absolutely brilliant, the addition of the bombs adds that perfect finishing touch.
Des.
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Very clever and effective modelling and, as for the painting - well, just brilliant.
Cheers,
GrahamB
P.S. I've still got plenty of vinyl records (including several Led Zeps) and a decent sound system - pity I can't fit it in my modelling man cave too.
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It will be a showstopper, for sure.
The camouflage that you selected takes the best of the two worlds (light blue and lozenges) and you played a master"s execution
Bravo!
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Hello Zavod,
My apologies for not seeing this before - I'm thinking of a Gotha in the future and yours is beyond excellent!
The lozenge work is incredible!
Guy
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Man, that is such a fantastic job.
Loved going through this thread and impressed how you picked this up after such a long break!
That hex-painting was genius!!
One day I can get this good...maybe!
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I finally got this done! check it here.....
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=6303.msg114828#msg114828
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Hey as a side note to this thread....here is a pic of my vintage pioneer I'm in love with
(http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z276/zavod112/IMG_20150411_195731939_zpsqicqgx1y.jpg) (http://s193.photobucket.com/user/zavod112/media/IMG_20150411_195731939_zpsqicqgx1y.jpg.html)
I just reread the whole thread, and I thought I would add the picture.....now I will leave this thread and I'm on to my next project