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Title: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Mark on January 06, 2015, 12:49:09 PM
(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIaBox800w_zps98009a2d.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIaBox800w_zps98009a2d.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/BurgermeisterScheme800w_zpsb62b075f.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/BurgermeisterScheme800w_zpsb62b075f.jpg.html)

And so it begins again . . .  :)

After much deliberation and perusing of my stash (all nine kits worth) I've decided to actually begin WnW's Roland C.IIa Late. Why? Well, it's a streamlined whale, it's a two-seater, it has a bomb rack and bombs (!), and, who could pass up a bip flown by Herr Burgermeister??? All kinds of catchy titles for vignettes come to mind.

Those of you who followed my Fokker D.VII F build know that I'm anything but a speedy builder. However, taking the lessons learned from that build I don't see this one taking that long.

I've decided to paint as many of the parts as possible while they're still on the sprues and to that end I washed enough parts today to have a good start on the interior and engine. With any luck, paint will start flying tomorrow!

As usual, any comments are welcomed!

Mark G.

Said parts drying:

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIaSprues800w_zpse50bc26c.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIaSprues800w_zpse50bc26c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: eindecker on January 06, 2015, 12:56:55 PM
Good choice. I'm into my C.II early kit. It will be fun and instructive to compare build notes.

One difference I've noted is that I gave up washing the plastic. Didn't seem to make any difference.

Looking forward to seeing more posts..
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Mark on January 06, 2015, 01:11:43 PM
eindecker, just looked at the photos of your C.II--wow--great job on the cockpit, especially brush-painted! I like the colors, too. Not sure if it's the difference between the Early and Late models, but my instructions call for a light grey for most of the ribs, flooring, etc. with the rest being a darker grey (where you have the green-grey). Must say, I like the green-grey much better!

When painting my D.VII I experienced paint beading on some of the surfaces, so I thought that pre-washing the parts might mitigate some of that. Guess I'll see!

Thanks for the comments!

Mark G

Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Des on January 06, 2015, 02:49:25 PM
Looking forward to following along with your build Mark, I have the kit in my stash so I will be taking notes.

Des.
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: KitRookie37 on January 06, 2015, 03:41:51 PM

Hello to all,
I follow this adventure.  ;)
Best regards.
Alain.
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: stefanbuss on January 06, 2015, 04:15:01 PM
Good choice of subject (apart from the catchy titles with Herr Bürgermeister). I will be watching closely, and stealing ideas for my own build.

Stefan
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Royston on January 06, 2015, 04:37:33 PM
I have a 1/48th version, so will be watching this closely.
Main issue I have with mine is the colour of the interior, instructions say wood effect but i'm not sure if they were painted grey.

Roy
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: lcarroll on January 07, 2015, 12:54:11 AM

One difference I've noted is that I gave up washing the plastic. Didn't seem to make any difference

   I have always done the wash thing and forgot on my present Build  >:(, have had some paint lifting when removing masking tape which is a first. My theory is it's caused by some sort of residue and I should have washed the sprues? It seems an easy step and little added time.
Cheers,
Lance

Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: eindecker on January 07, 2015, 03:45:39 AM
I would say it's been about ten years since I stopped washing all of the parts out of the box. I have occasionally had bits of paint life under masking tape too, but I attribute that to all of the handling those parts undergo during construction. I will sometimes clean off the model with Plastic Prep before painting, but not always.

On balance, I'd say it is not a bad idea to wash parts out of the box, but also, one should clean all surfaces immediately prior to painting. I guess my question would be, if I'm going to keep to cleaning before painting, why would I want to clean before construction? No big deal, just curious. And, I'm reminding myself to be more rigorous in my clean-before-paint process.
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: RAGIII on January 07, 2015, 09:48:26 AM
Washing the Mold release off is an accepted process that I have happily skipped forever  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: drdave on January 07, 2015, 09:31:12 PM
I've never done it either. I dont prime either, just spray a light coat of acrylic to start, then build it up.

I do sometimes wipe a model with isopropyl after building if it looks greasy fingered!
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Royston on January 09, 2015, 10:25:27 PM
The Datafile has a good photo of the interior that shows an even mid tone over most surfaces - painted.

Ok that's great, cheers

Roy
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: coyotemagic on January 10, 2015, 02:49:56 AM
Really looking forward to this one, Mark.  I love that 3 color scheme.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Mark on March 11, 2015, 05:15:27 AM
Way past time for an update. I've painted and assembled the interior at this point. Here are some shots of the interior before the ribbing was added. I still need to clean up some of the painting miscues and add shading to some of the parts, especially the seatbelts. All will be done before I post the next shots which should be soon  :)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int%20Left%20800w_zps74qgck5e.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int%20Left%20800w_zps74qgck5e.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20LF%20800w_zpsw98qsptt.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20LF%20800w_zpsw98qsptt.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20RF%20800w_zpsodc8tn2q.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20RF%20800w_zpsodc8tn2q.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20RR%20800w_zpsolwm1gtp.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20RR%20800w_zpsolwm1gtp.jpg.html)

(http://i1224.photobucket.com/albums/ee377/hmgroth/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20LR%20800w_zps5nxidplm.jpg) (http://s1224.photobucket.com/user/hmgroth/media/Roland%20C-IIa/C-IIa%20Int1%20LR%20800w_zps5nxidplm.jpg.html)

Mark G
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: coyotemagic on March 11, 2015, 07:00:12 AM
Very nice, Mark!  Brilliant cockpit work.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: RAGIII on March 11, 2015, 08:51:47 AM
Very nice, Mark!  Brilliant cockpit work.
Cheers,
Bud

I agree with My Amigo! brilliant!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Ernie on March 11, 2015, 09:17:35 AM
Great start, Mark!  I will be following your build with great interest.
Thanks for sharing. :D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: radio on March 12, 2015, 01:29:07 AM
Stunning cockpit Mark.
Mark
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Royston on March 12, 2015, 08:23:11 AM
Got one of these but in 1/48, itching to get started but too much on at the moment.
Will follow with interest and take notes for when i do mine

What paint have you used for the tank

Roy
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Mark on March 12, 2015, 11:18:38 AM
Thanks for all the supportive replies  :)

Roy, it's the Tamiya color called for in the WNW instruction book. If you need the exact number I will post it later.

Mark G
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Royston on March 13, 2015, 07:06:47 AM
cheers Mark.
Tamiya paint is getting thin on the ground, i'm trying to match up for like colours in both Vallejo and Mr hobby.

Roy
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Mark on March 13, 2015, 11:44:28 AM
Roy,

Even though it is distinctly green, to me, the color is Tamiya XF-22, Grey-Matt. The corresponding colors from the manual are Humbrol 92 and Fed. Std. 24159. You can find matches in other paint brands on many websites (none of which I have handy at the moment).

Hope that helps.

Mark G
Title: Re: WnW Roland C.IIa Late - Otto Burgermeister
Post by: Royston on March 13, 2015, 11:49:22 AM
Cheers Mark :D

Roy