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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: KiwiResin on December 13, 2014, 11:41:35 AM
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Im such a cheap arse that I figured I would have just as much fun with this old Hobbycraft kit as a Wingnut kit for 1/4 the price.
However AMS cut in, I cast a resin cockpit set for it, Toms Model Works belts, Gaspatches superb Vickers guns and rigging eyelets. Add the decals, and the cost of this little job has outrun the cost of a Wingnut kit anyway.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0796_zps4c1cfe08.jpg)
The fabric upper surfaces on these aircraft were doped with a mix of aluminium and pigment dope, giving a pearlescent sheen to them, I did this usung Gunze paint, and its come up quite well. However the metal panels were painted in colours that closely match the fabric areas, but without the pearl effect, so the reasonably complicated scheme has become a hideous masking job of epic proportions.
However Im getting there.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0798_zps2b300de9.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0797_zps4dbcd791.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0799_zps9e67df71.jpg)
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Well, it looks like you're coming along just fine. Did you mix Gunze aluminum or a similar metallic with the other paint to obtain your desired mix. I'm curious as to what colors you're using for the five color camo as well since I've got several Eduard SPAD XIII's in the stash.
Warren
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Hi Warren,
Firstly dont let the photographs fool you, the actual paint is more muted than it appears.
I based my mixes on Wingnuts recommendations for the Salmson, I figured that their research ability, and what they have access to far outstips mine, so I take their recommendations as gospel (usually!)
Paints are as follows:
Linen Gunze H85 sail colour
Sand Gunze H66 Sandy brown plus about 10% H8 Silver
Earth Gunze H72 Dark earth, silver as above
Light Green Gunze H303 green plus silver as above
Dark Green Gunze H 64 RLM71 Dark Green plus silver as above
Black Gunze H 77 Tire Black, no silver addded.
Dont over do the silver, the fabric should be pearlescent, not mettalic, I mixed by eye until I got the look I wanted.
The painted metal panels use the above colours but with no silver added, The contrast is subtle and pleasing.
Dave
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That looks really great - nice to see one of these getting built!
Do you have any pics of the cockpit you cast up for it?
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here is the set painted prior to installation.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/spad13_zpsc9d7dae2.jpg)
Its not a majorly big set, but it adds to the cockpit area
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Nice to see you working on a project Dave ;)
Terri
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Hello Dave,
I like very much what you have done till now! Very well painted, the camo colors are great. Nice to see another SPAD in the make!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Nice to see you working on a project Dave ;)
Thanks Terry, I thought I had better build something soon, and the Spad has been on the shelf of doom for over 12 months.
Terri
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Dave,
The SPAD is looking Stunning! How did you do the Early rounded wing tips?
RAGIII
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The Spad looks very great.
Martin
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Hi Warren,
Firstly dont let the photographs fool you, the actual paint is more muted than it appears.
I based my mixes on Wingnuts recommendations for the Salmson, I figured that their research ability, and what they have access to far outstips mine, so I take their recommendations as gospel (usually!)
Paints are as follows:
Linen Gunze H85 sail colour
Sand Gunze H66 Sandy brown plus about 10% H8 Silver
Earth Gunze H72 Dark earth, silver as above
Light Green Gunze H303 green plus silver as above
Dark Green Gunze H 64 RLM71 Dark Green plus silver as above
Black Gunze H 77 Tire Black, no silver addded.
Dont over do the silver, the fabric should be pearlescent, not mettalic, I mixed by eye until I got the look I wanted.
The painted metal panels use the above colours but with no silver added, The contrast is subtle and pleasing.
Dave
Thanks Dave! Somewhere in the man-cave I've got an electronic copy of Project Butterfly along with some paint samples based on the research, etc., so I understand what you're trying to do finish-wise. I was interested primarily in which Gunze paints you had chosen so I could use them as a basis for my own, but much smaller builds later. You've set me up well sir, and thanks!
Warren
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Great model, Dave
What colour did you use for the Italian green under the wings? It is really the same green that I saw on the ansaldo balilla before it was restored.
Er me
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Nicely done Dave, that's not an easy task given the original product but you are taking it to the limit! The paint contrast fabric to metal is a great addition.
Cheers,
Lance
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Extraordinary work, Dave! The cockpit is a vast improvement over the original and your paint work is brilliant. You've got a real show stopper in the works here, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
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Extraordinary work, Dave! The cockpit is a vast improvement over the original and your paint work is brilliant. You've got a real show stopper in the works here, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
Dave I completely agree with Bud. You're building a jewel!
Cheers,
Ernie:)
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Beautiful paint work Dave and I love the colours you used, the cockpit details are excellent.
Des.
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Extraordinary work, Dave! The cockpit is a vast improvement over the original and your paint work is brilliant. You've got a real show stopper in the works here, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
As an addition to my above comments I have to agree with my Amigo also!
RAGIII
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Great model, Dave
What colour did you use for the Italian green under the wings? It is really the same green that I saw on the ansaldo balilla before it was restored.
Er me
The Italian green is an old tin of Humbrol Brunswick green I had laying about. It may not be an exact match, but it is close enough.
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Dave,
The SPAD is looking Stunning! How did you do the Early rounded wing tips?
RAGIII
The early rounded tips are just plastic card glued to cut down wings and sanded to shape. Im not actually that happy with them, but they will do.
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Dave,
The SPAD is looking Stunning! How did you do the Early rounded wing tips?
RAGIII
The early rounded tips are just plastic card glued to cut down wings and sanded to shape. Im not actually that happy with them, but they will do.
They sure look good to me!
Warren
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Lovely work, Dave. What a fine job you are doing!
I was toying with the idea of getting this SPAD, but then decided on the latest re-boxing of the Academy 1/32 scale Nieuport Ni-17. It only cost £14.99 but seeing what you're achieving I'm not sure that I made the right decision.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Lovely work, Dave. What a fine job you are doing!
I was toying with the idea of getting this SPAD, but then decided on the latest re-boxing of the Academy 1/32 scale Nieuport Ni-17. It only cost £14.99 but seeing what you're achieving I'm not sure that I made the right decision.
Best wishes
Nigel
Hi Nigel,
actually I quite like the Academy Nieuport 17, especially for its price. It definitely needs work, but I am sure a nice model can be built from it, so sure that its next on the bench after the Spad.
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I have a thing for SPADs and Nieuports so I will watch this and some other builds closely. RAG, I need to look back at your efforts on the Roden SPAD VII C.1 too.
Warren
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Ive made some more progress on the Hobbycraft Spad 13, including installing Gaspatches fabulous Vickers guns. Unfortunately the carpet monster has claimed one of the flash guards.
Im cutting my own masks for the prancing horses at the moment, with varying results. Unfortunately I sent some resin bits to a fellow Hyperscaler, and in return he was going to send me decals. No point in naming names, but suffice to say after 6 months ive given up on the thought they will ever arrive.
I assembled the Spad in my own rigging jig, but a study of the front on view shows the outer struts are too long, giving the lower wing a decided anhedral. Of course if I had fitted the struts and trimmed them BEFORE woodgraining them, I would have avoided what is about to become a major headache.
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0807_zpse9887dcd.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0810_zpsd1f28bae.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0808_zps334ae840.jpg)
(http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0813_zpse37bb53f.jpg)http://i1072.photobucket.com/albums/w367/KiwiResin/IMG_0811_zps3b8bb178.jpg
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The scheme is looking awesome! Just as an aside here, Hobbycraft molded the struts too long on purpose so the modeler could use the outer struts trimmed to allow for warping ! Look very closely at the instructions, they tell you to trim to length! If one mounts the inner struts first, then the outer after trimming all is fine. IHTH,
RAGIII
PS: That strut thing probably wasn't the best Model design decision ever made ::)
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I really like to see the progress you have made on this kit. The camouflage looks very convincing, and those bright colours on the lower wing are a nice contrast.
If you succeed in cutting the struts (which i have no doubt about), your model will be a very neat looking replica.
Stefan
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I have no doubts you will correct the strut problem
Dave. As Rick mentioned, probably not one of
Hobbycraft's best ideas. ;D I am looking forward to
seeing the next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Wonderful scheme Dave. I am loving the camo colors more and more, very soft just how I like them. Well done!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hi Dave, the work you did on this Italian aircraft is stunning!
I love the camo and all nut let me pinpoint the only defect in the model: the center section of the tricolore under the wings of the italian planes is NEVER painted white!
Only the green and red sections were painted, for example in the Ni17 I am currently working the center section remains aluminum as the rest of the plane, in your case it should be CDL.
By the way that is only a detail that does not affect the quality of the work.
Ciao
Antonio
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Thats lookin great - love the Spad!
Concerning the decals - I would be able to print those off for you if you still need them
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Hello Dave:
Looking good. This is an all too overlooked kit and it builds up into a decent model. At the hands of a skilled modeler it really comes to life. You are doing a great job of bringing it about. I have two, but sadly not the International version with the stallion. Looking forward to seeing you work through the build.
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Hi Dave, as Petrov I also could print the horse decals if you want, I am printing it in 1/32 tomorrow for my Nieuport...
In any case you can use my SVG file if you're printing the decals yourself
CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD (http://www.andonio.it/model/ni17baracca/cavallino_unito.svg)
Sorry for calling you Nigel in my previous post!...
:-O
Ciao
Antonio
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Wonderful Antonio!
Xan
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Hi Petrov,
That would be a big help, can you do the Griffon also?
Dave
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Hi Dave, as Petrov I also could print the horse decals if you want, I am printing it in 1/32 tomorrow for my Nieuport...
In any case you can use my SVG file if you're printing the decals yourself
CLICK HERE TO DOWNLOAD (http://www.andonio.it/model/ni17baracca/cavallino_unito.svg)
Sorry for calling you Nigel in my previous post!...
:-O
Ciao
Thanks Antonio, can you do th e Griffon also?
Dave
Antonio
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Hi Dave, the work you did on this Italian aircraft is stunning!
I love the camo and all nut let me pinpoint the only defect in the model: the center section of the tricolore under the wings of the italian planes is NEVER painted white!
Only the green and red sections were painted, for example in the Ni17 I am currently working the center section remains aluminum as the rest of the plane, in your case it should be CDL.
By the way that is only a detail that does not affect the quality of the work.
Ciao
Antonio
Argg tell me now :-D
I know on the Nieuport 11s the centre isnt white, but I had no evidence either way for the Spad 13.
I will give some thought to respraying this area if i can do it with minimal damage.
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Hi Dave, the work you did on this Italian aircraft is stunning!
I love the camo and all nut let me pinpoint the only defect in the model: the center section of the tricolore under the wings of the italian planes is NEVER painted white!
Only the green and red sections were painted, for example in the Ni17 I am currently working the center section remains aluminum as the rest of the plane, in your case it should be CDL.
By the way that is only a detail that does not affect the quality of the work.
Ciao
Antonio
Argg tell me now :-D
I know on the Nieuport 11s the centre isnt white, but I had no evidence either way for the Spad 13.
I will give some thought to respraying this area if i can do it with minimal damage.
Sorry for not telling you that before, but I had not found your WIP thread earlier, in any cst tat was the rule in italian aircrafts, when painting the "tricolore" beneath the lower wing the center section was never painted white, just left as it was, in some cases they painted the tricolore on the undersurface of the top wing as well (as for the ANSALDO SVA 5 and for the Ni17s).
In any case if you need more infos on italian planes ask me, I have a lot of documentation and maybe would be able to find additional information.
As per the griffon, I would be able to produce a SVG file of it but it would take a long time because I have not so much time to dedicate to my hobbies so don't raly on me for this, in any case I will do my best to produce one. Another warning I can give you is that there is by no mean any photo portraying the starboard side of Baracca's SPAD, the Griffon was the crest of the 91 squadriglia and many pilots had it painted on their SPADs but the official version here is that Baracca carried the black horse heading towards the nose on both sides, also because there are pictures of his Nieuports with the horse on both sides so _probably_ he kept this solutions throughout his other planes...
There is this photo in the Italian Air Force archives:
(http://www.aeronautica.difesa.it/archiviovetrine_news/PublishingImages/ARALDICA%20AM/Piloti%20e%20avieri%20%2091SqconSpad%20VIIcon%20emblema%20del%20repartoA%20dx%20Francesco%20Baracca.jpg)
portraying Baracca and 3 other pilots in front of a 91 Sq SPAD showing the Griffon, but there is no evidence that this plane was the one of Major Baracca...
:-)
I hope this helps!!!
Ciao
Antonio
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Hi Petrov,
That would be a big help, can you do the Griffon also?
Dave
Yes - I can do that - please send me the height dimension for the size of each and I will get them printed onto decal paper.
Thanks!
Patrick
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Hallo, I had some time off work yesterday and to help Dave I made a vector copy of the Griffon used as Squadron crest by 91a Squadriglia.
DOWNLOAD IT HERE (http://www.andonio.it/model/ni17baracca/grifone.svg)
I also improved the horse drawing by trimming the white area around it, you can download it at the same link shown in my previous message.
So, Petrov you can use those drawings to print the decals for Dave if you want.
Ciao
Antonio
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Thank you Antonio - yes that Griffin is outstanding - you have done all the hard work!
Griffin is red, correct?
Patrick
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Wow, thanks Antonio, these are superb!, I may actually finish the kit after all.
I have a 1/32 ww1 decal sheet in preperation ( 4 Lafayette aircraft) but I have been thinking about a sheet of 4 Italian aircraft next, if I do this, may I use this artwork?
Many thanks,
Dave
Hallo, I had some time off work yesterday and to help Dave I made a vector copy of the Griffon used as Squadron crest by 91a Squadriglia.
DOWNLOAD IT HERE (http://www.andonio.it/model/ni17baracca/grifone.svg)
I also improved the horse drawing by trimming the white area around it, you can download it at the same link shown in my previous message.
So, Petrov you can use those drawings to print the decals for Dave if you want.
Ciao
Antonio
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The Griffin was red? I didnt know that, that will look rather nice :-)
Thank you Antonio - yes that Griffin is outstanding - you have done all the hard work!
Griffin is red, correct?
Patrick
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Glad you liked the Griffon Dave, of course everybody in this forum can use these drawings ...I wouldn't call them "Artwolrk" :-) for NON COMMERCIAL purposes.
Petrov, the Griffon and the horse were black on all the planes. There is a quarrel about the red horse but there is no evidence of this story and all the personal markings as far as I know were painted in black. So the officially recognized version of the griffon and the horse (as far as I know) is black.
I look forward to seeing the completed model Dave!
Antonio
PS Dave if you want to share info about other Italian planes you are planning next dont hesitate to PM me and maybe I can help you with the other decals. Ciao!
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I forgot to say that if you have a close look to the picture I posted Saturday you can see te difference between the Griffon (black) and the outer band of the roundel (rd).
Yes, when the camouflaged SPADs Blériot built were assigned to the Squadriglie the colors of the roundels were inverted because the outer circle (green up to then) was not visible on the camo paint.
I just read an article by the Historical Office of the Italian Air Force stating the total uncertainty of the Griffon on the starboard side of the Baracca's SPAD XIII fuselage. Indeed the Griffon was on some other SPADS flown by pilots not having a personal marking, but usually the personal markings were repeated on both sides.
Ciao
Antonio
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at last a day off to do some modelling "Il Cavallino Rampante"
Ive been pretty busy, and the last thing I wanted to do was wrestle with the upper wing and strut alignment on the Hobbycraft Spad, however its got to be done sooner or later.
I have already assembled the kit and found the wing was out of alignment, so i had to tear it all apart and lock it in the KiwiResin rigging jig and start again.
Now Ill have a long break and talk myself into rigging it, do any touch ups, and finish with a coat of flat clear.
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So glad to see you back on this one, Dave! Even unrigged, she's spectacular. Looking forward to the finished product.
You make a jig? I'll have to get one.
Cheers,
Bud
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certainly do make a jig, CAD designed and waterjet cut from aluminium.
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Great work and a very fine jig, Dave.
Cheers
Martin
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Kiwi Resin -
I've just read through this thread for the first time and as someone else coming to terms with another Hobby Craft model I'd just like to say what a stunning approach you've made and despite your set back on the struts what a great result so far you've achieved. I particularly like what you've done with the differing paint finishes - the whole thing looks terrific.
Looking forwards to more updates
Tug
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Nice to see this one back "in the lights", Dave. You are doing a fine job on a difficult Kit, great paint work and the rigging will really bring it all together. Your comments on the wing alignment and the need for a jig don't surprise me at all, these Kits can be a real "bear" when it comes to final assembly!
Cheers,
Lance