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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: IFF1418 on December 08, 2014, 03:14:00 AM
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Hello all,
I promise, this will be my last Nieuport for long!
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_003_zpsce99e363.jpg)
The scheme I have choosen is the one shown on the box. N3987 flown by S. Lt. Herisson 11 victories Escadrille N.75 Aviation Militaire 1917
First I painted and assembled the engine
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_001_zps5dc9ac1f.jpg)
Painting of the side panels. The wooden ribs are painted.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_005_zps68bc0eec.jpg)
The interior is assembled by tiny parts, and all must be fixed on one side of the fuselage and hoping for a good similarity when the fuselage is closed.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_007_zpsf91087fc.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_010_zps01b1ae9c.jpg)
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The pilot's seat was flat and needed to be bended, and needs to be glued on the cushion (no board under it). I added a piece of styrene on the bottom of the cushion to have more surface to glue on.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_021_zpse7d4537c.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_023_zps647d3411.jpg)
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The fuselage halves are glued. Sometimes it is such a shame having to close and hide the major part of the interior. In this case it was a blessing for me!
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_029_zps12f73f5f.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_030_zpsca16c6ac.jpg)
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_031_zps0dcbee88.jpg)
The instrument bar needs to be fixed yet; before closing the cockpit cowling.
Thank you for passing by!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Patrick,
I will be happy to watch all of the Lovely Nieuport builds you want to do! You are off to a terrific start. Very clean work, and you might be the only Modeler to date to get that seat back bent without breaking! Your linen and wood colors are looking beautiful !!
RAGIII
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Patrick,
Your off to a flying start - well done on bending the seat back without breaking - no easy task!
Watch out (later in the build) for the interplane strut fit - mine ended way, way off with the upper wing/lower wing so ended it ended up in the bin .............
Good luck with the rest of the build.
Regards
Dave
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Hello Rick and Dave,
Thank you so much for your very appreciated comments!
Rick: Thank you for your continued support my friend, ever since I began modeling last year. I bended the seat over different bottle caps and other things with smaller and smaller diameter, taped and held them there for some time. Maybe the fact that I first glued a brass tube on the seat when it was still flat did help?
Dave: Thank you for your support and warning about the interplane struts! This is one (of many) of my weak points. Maybe it had something to do with the dihedral of the lower wings that the Nieuports had. Were your struts too short or too long? Or what was exactely your problem if I may ask Dave?
Kind regards
Patrick
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Lovely work Patrick! The cockpit looks great. You are doing a much better job on your interior than I did on my Ni.27. Your detailed log will be a great guide for my future Roden Nieuport builds! :D Thanks!
Regards,
Bob
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That is very great Patrick.
Martin
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Nice :)
Terri
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Great start Patrick. You are certainly becoming a Nieuport "Expert". Looking forward to another winner!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Bob, Martin, Terri and Lance,
Thank you all for your kind comments. I appreciate it tremendously and it certainly keeps me going! I must admit that Roden has made better kits than this one. Time will tell. It will be very hard though to equal what Jean (MS406) achieved with it. Thank you again!
Kind regards
Patrick
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My friend Patrick, you are already making great progress with the
build. Super job of making the flat seat into a curved one. Not an
easy feat without breaking it. Your cockpit really has that Nieuport
aura. Your instruments are first rate as well. Good work, Patrick!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you so much Ernie my friend for your comments, kind as always. It seems that in bending the seat I was quite lucky regarding all the comments about it! Remember it was you who teached me how to make instruments! ;)
Kind regards my friend
Patrick
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Very nice start Patrick, the cockpit interior looks very good with nice detail painting, the engine also turned out really nice. There can never be enough Nieuport builds :)
Des.
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Thank you so much Des, it certainly is a great compliment coming from you! Indeed I tried to promote the Nieuports a bit. :D It is #4 I am building this year.
Kind regards and thank you!
Patrick
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Nice details in you cockpit Patrick, I will look forward to learn a lot of things about Nieuport fighters
Dric
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Thank you very much for the appreciation Cedric. Much appreciated! B.t.w. I looked at your build of the Avia BH.3. Very clean and your camo is teriffic!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello Patrick:
You are doing much than I did with this kit. I am about ready to toss it in the bin, just a mess. You are doing a great job with the cockpit and how you managed to bend the seat without breaking remains a mystery. There is a head reast in the space behind the seat, I don't remember if it is in the kit or if you have "scratch" build one. Otherwise it looks great.
I will be following along on this one.
Best
Mark
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Hello Mark,
Thank you for your support my friend. Nice to hear from you again. The more comments I get, the more I begin to wonder why the seat didn't break! ::)
There is a head rest in the kit Mark, but it is still in the kit. I have to install it yet.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_033_zpsc0b30aa7.jpg)
Kind regards
Patrick.
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Everything looks really good Patrick. Now I know the fellow to pester with questions when it comes time to build Bishop's Nieuport! ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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Thank you very much Chris, I think I will be Nieuport-free now until 2016. So everyone is warned about that. :D In 2015 there will be WnW kits waiting! Yes!! But first I will try to finish this rather difficult build. Not like your magnificent Salmson, but in his own simplicity as an a/c with a lot of pitfalls for the poor modeler. :-[
Kind regards
Patrick
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Better speak up to add my name to the many crossing our fingers for you...
I've tackled these late Roden Nieuports twice so far. They're lovely when done, or if finished, I should say. I managed one, but fell foul of the other.
The seat is only a brief early skirmish. I'm really holding my breath for when you attach the bottom wing to struts and fuselage.
All the very, very best!
Mark
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Dave: Thank you for your support and warning about the interplane struts! This is one (of many) of my weak points. Maybe it had something to do with the dihedral of the lower wings that the Nieuports had. Were your struts too short or too long? Or what was exactely your problem if I may ask Dave?
Kind regards
Patrick
Patrick - I'm not sure if I assembled the lower wing correctly, but the struts did not match up at all with the location points/holes on the lower wing - my struts ended up way to forward (right off the leading edge) and angle inwards when they should obviously be upright. There was just no way I could alter the model to get it correct. I wonder now if it would have been better to attach upper wing before fitting the lower wings - it might then be possible to position the lower wing to match the interplane struts to align properly. In any case, I got totally frustrated and gave up with it - please don't let my bad experience put you off - it was most likely bad assembly on my part.
Regards
Dave
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"I promise, this will be my last Nieuport for long! "
Patrick, a man can never have too many Nieuports. :)
Warren
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Patrick,
I will be happy to watch all of the Lovely Nieuport builds you want to do! You are off to a terrific start. Very clean work, and you might be the only Modeler to date to get that seat back bent without breaking! Your linen and wood colors are looking beautiful !!
RAGIII
My amigo took the words right out of my mouth...er, fingers? ??? Beautiful start, my friend. Please, build all the Nieuports you want.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello Mark,Dave, Warren and Bud,
Thank you very much for your kind comments and advice my friends!
Mark: Wow, that is no good news! I already suffered quite a bit with this build. At least you managed to build one out of two! ;)
Dave: Thank you for the explanation of what went wrong. If a great modeler like you had such problems, I really don't know where my build will end! :o
Warren: You are so right! But this year has been a struggle with all these complicated builds and kits that I am really looking forward to have a build without fitting problems, although a WnW kit is no guarantee for succes in my case! ::)
Bud: As always your words are very uplifting my friend. If I was a decent scratch builder I would even tackle the Nieuport Triplane! 8)
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello Bob, Martin, Terri and Lance,
Thank you all for your kind comments. I appreciate it tremendously and it certainly keeps me going! I must admit that Roden has made better kits than this one. Time will tell. It will be very hard though to equal what Jean (MS406) achieved with it. Thank you again!
Kind regards
Patrick
Patrick you have started very well, and if I may put a suggestion, do what YOU do and used others works as a guide and never as something to duplicate. Go on my man , go on! Best regards, jean.
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Thank you so much Jean for your kind comment, and these are very wise words you wrote!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello all,
A small update today. I was pleased I could close the fuselage completely now.
I added the instrument bar with a few instruments on it.
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(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_036_zpse32427ca.jpg)
Cockpit cowling
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Cabane struts (pin replaced by brass tube)
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Awful joints, gaps like the Grand Canyon. A lot of filling ahead of me. The fuselage parts were not very delicately shaped
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Cockpit cowling installed
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Firewall and head rest
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Thank you very much for passing by!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Patrick! Amazing and very fast build! Everything is looking terrific!!
RAGIII
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Hello Rick, thank you! As always, your kind words give me the courage to continue my friend!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Lovely set of instruments!
And I like where you're going with those pins, I reckon they'll help no end.
FWIW I think my troubles began with those front pillars. I still believe getting the top wing on first is the way to go, but if those pillars are anything less than the same height (yours look perfect) or the same angle (a little less easy to tell from the pics), it seems to have a knock-on effect with the geometry of the rest of the wing assembly.
But as I say, fingers crossed, you'll be okay... :)
Mark
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Thank you very much Mark!
I think that the front struts are about the same height, and have also the same angle, but they are a bit leaning towards the rear, not much but anyway... The pre-drilled holes in the upper wing to receive the "V" struts are not far enough from each other. So there is enough to worry about in the coming days/weeks.
I have another question too. On the instruction sheets of the kit all the colors are Model Color. Do you or anyone else have any experience with that brand? Thank you!
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_048_zps234b71c7.jpg)
Kind regards
Patrick
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Very nice work about your model Patrick.
I think about Gunze or Vallejo.
Martin
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Thank you Martin, you are always very kind! About the paint, do you mean that Model Color is like Gunze or Vallejo? Or that you have only experience with these two?
Kind regards
Patrick
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From Gunze I have only Hobby Colour.
I use many different Brands. Not often Tamiya, many more Vallejo, Hobby Colour and Mister Kit and some old Aero Master colours.
Martin
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I think I used Misterkit for one of my Nieuports, an Italian plane with a French 5-colour scheme. I usually do use Misterkit now, but still have some Model Color. It's Testors isn't it? Quite nice paint, in general, I really like their Burnt Metal... sorry that doesn't help you much!
Roden have changed their colour call outs a lot. In the old days it was Humbrol, now they quote Vallejo.
Honestly, I would go with the brand you normally use, I'm sure you'll find good equivalents.
You may find this useful, The Ultimate Model Paint Conversion Chart, http://www.paint4models.com/ (http://www.paint4models.com/)
Actually, this one's quite good too - http://scalemodeldb.com/paint (http://scalemodeldb.com/paint)
I think Roden's research is okay, it's just that the more you get into markings and colours, you find you want to read around a bit, don't you? Eg. when it comes to WWI colours, whoever's kit it is, I tend to go 'Hmm... I wonder what Uncle Ray (Rimell) says in the Datafile...' ;)
Mark
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Thank you very much Mark!
I think that the front struts are about the same height, and have also the same angle, but they are a bit leaning towards the rear, not much but anyway... The pre-drilled holes in the upper wing to receive the "V" struts are not far enough from each other. So there is enough to worry about in the coming days/weeks.
I have another question too. On the instruction sheets of the kit all the colors are Model Color. Do you or anyone else have any experience with that brand? Thank you!
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_048_zps234b71c7.jpg)
Kind regards
Patrick
http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_36534_start_340.html - Look here how to cope with wings. I've done this too and Nieuport faced this problem.
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Found necessary photo
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Hello Mark,
This is all very useful advice, thank you very much! I know the two links you have been so kind to give me. The only problem with the second one is that when I upload a photo the color search does not seem to work. Maybe if I would stick with my usual brand, Tamiya that is, that would be the best to do. I am pleased with it and really works well with the a/b. I have searched in a lot of paint conversion charts, but the conversion from Model Color to Tamiya is not always to be found. When I did the camo for the Nieuport 28, Bo adviced me to look for the used colors of the WnW Salmson , what I did and I was very satisfied with it. Anyway thank you very much Mark for having taken the trouble to look for a solution!
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/sized_Nieuport28_60_zpsb3f59c19.jpg)
Kind regards
Patrick
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From Gunze I have only Hobby Colour.
I use many different Brands. Not often Tamiya, many more Vallejo, Hobby Colour and Mister Kit and some old Aero Master colours.
Martin
Hello Martin, thank you very much!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello Siskin,
Found necessary photo
Thank you so much! Is this photo from a model you have been building? I had the same problems with the Ni 16. I saw the mis-drilling after the decals were on, so I had to repair the decals too. But I changed only the hole nearby the front of the wing, because changing the other hole too, would bring that hole very close to the ailerons. What do you think?
Kind regards
Patrick
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A second hole should be near the ailerons. Very close))
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Excellent work as usual, my friend Patrick. Good work preparing the wing.
Due to your past experience with the Nieuports, I'm sure you will beat the
"Dragon" on this one too! Keep up the good work, Patrick. :D ...pm :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Outstanding work, Patrick! I really like your choice of colors on the Nie.28. They will look fantastic on this one.
Cheers,
Bud
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You are making excellent progress with your build Patrick, the gaps around all the joins although annoying are quite easily rectified and in your capable hands should end up unseen. Looking forward to seeing more of this great build.
Des.
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Ernie,
Looking great! Be sure to check on Nieuport 27 builds also as they are virtually the same kit. As for the colors if doing a French camoed scheme then I would personally go for the same colors you used on that BEAUTIFUL 28! It seems to me that Mounting the upper wing first may be the way to go as suggested, then attach the lower wing panels. The other way seems to cause an inordinate amount of anhydral . JMHO and a guess. 8) Having not built this one yet.
RAGIII
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Hello Ernie, Bud, Des and Rick,
Thank you my friends for the (too) nice comments on my build. It helps me tremendously to get through this rather difficult build!
Ernie: If I beat the "Dragon", it will be much thanks to our mini group build where I learned so much from you my dear friend!
Bud: Thank you my friend, I am still thinking this Ni 28 was my best build to date. Thank you for your continued support!
Des: Your wonderful comments are so much appreciated, I wished I had your talents my friend, it would certainly help me in this build!
Rick: I will certainly reconsider the order of installation of the wings. Thank you for your excellent advice and kind words my friend!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Patrick, I want to re-emphasize that I have not built this kit! Don't go by my advice without thinking of your own plan, ( I know you have one), and other builds. You have been doing just fine without my construction methods ;D
RAGIII
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Hello Rick,
My plan was to first fix the lower wings, so that I could still move them upwards/downwards. That means I can't have a nice fit against the fuselage at first. When installing the upper wing first I wouldn't have that problem so much. So I am still undecided what to do. But I never neglect the advice from a great modeler as you are my friend! :D
Kind regards
Patrick
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http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_36534_start_340.html - Look here how to cope with wings. I've done this too and Nieuport faced this problem.
Hello Siskin,
I now have been going through the hole build of the link you gave me, and I must say that this is an unbelievable build and of the highest level. Everyone should see this! It is such a shame that I couldn't read what is written. And I am a bit ashamed of what I could only make of this kit.
Kind regards
Patrick
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It does not matter that they could not read)) We say - it is better to see once than hear a hundred times. And the photos in my theme a lot! I hope they will help you.
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http://scalemodels.ru/modules/forum/viewtopic_t_36534_start_340.html - Look here how to cope with wings. I've done this too and Nieuport faced this problem.
Hello Siskin,
I now have been going through the hole build of the link you gave me, and I must say that this is an unbelievable build and of the highest level. Everyone should see this! It is such a shame that I couldn't read what is written. And I am a bit ashamed of what I could only make of this kit.
Kind regards
Patrick
Patrick, You have nothing to be ashamed of on your build! We all work at our own level and though it is good to learn from others it doesn't make what we do any less! I am amazed at how great your build is looking! Keep up the great work!
RAGIII
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Hello Rick,
Thank you my friend, you are always behind me with kind words about my builds! And what you say is so right, instead of comparing I should be learning out of it. I was so overwhelmed with what I've seen that I started to panic a bit. I need people like you to bring me back in business then! :D
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hi all,
The camo-painting on the Nieuport is finished. I used Tamiya-mixes for the camo. The cockpit cowling is Humbrol Alu Metal. All is covered with a clear coat. Next phase will be decaling, machine gun mounting and preparing wings for rigging and adapt the pre-drilled holes to the real situation. Thank you for passing by.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Crisp and colourful. Fine progress, IFF!
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Excellent paintwork! The masking of the color separations and the colors themselves are terrific! Beautiful!
RAGIII
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Looking sharp, Patrick! I like!!
Keep up the great work ;)
Merry Christmas!
Von B
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Hello Przemo, Rick and Bob,
Thank you very much for the nice comments and Merry Christmas to you all!
Przemo: After your magnificent camo on the Salmson, this is an honour for me. Still I like your softer colours much more.
Rick: Thank you my friend for your as usual kind words. They are very encouraging for me! One day I hope to acquire your painting capacities
Bob: Thank you, nice to hear the appreciation from a great artist
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello, Patrick,
I seem to be showing up late to the party!
Looks good so far! Keep up the good work!
You, and all the gents who are weighing in on this particular kit's problems, are sure helping those of us who plan to build it at some point. Many thanks!
Cheers from NYC,
Michael
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Hello, Patrick,
I seem to be showing up late to the party!
Looks good so far! Keep up the good work!
You, and all the gents who are weighing in on this particular kit's problems, are sure helping those of us who plan to build it at some point. Many thanks!
Cheers from NYC,
Michael
Hello Michael,
Thank you very much for your kind words! It is not what we call a "wild party" but it is enjoyable nevertheless. The Roden kits are not bad at all, rather well detailed. The main problem for me with Roden was always the closing of the fuselage and somehow this has some repercussions during the whole build. I must admit though that maybe for a beginner like me, there is much more to learn in such a kit than in a WnW build. Merry Christmas!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Simply gorgeous paint work, Patrick! I love the effect of painting the camo over aluminum. Perfect.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thank you so much Bud for your kind comments. You have a good eye for the shining through of the aluminium. But all the colors of the camo are mixed with aluminium dope (see the paint instructions of the WnW booklet of the Salmson) and give a nice "metal-like" impression. I am glad you noticed that! Merry Christmas my friend.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello all,
I didn’t have to wait until installing the wings for having again a lot of troubles. When installing the engine, the two cowling halves didn’t make it to be fit upon the fuselage. There was a teriffic gap. So I had to cut a lot of parts from the engine and even then the two halves didn’t match properly. I had finally to fill them. But the engine axle was out-centered. Well….
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_086_zps3ff82853.jpg)
The Roden decals which I used for the first time, as for my previous Roden builds I used Pheon and Super scale, went on rather decently. Until I had to decal the rudder. This was a most difficult work. But they are on. They are very fragile though.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_088_zps2ef2ad20.jpg)
As predicted, the wings installment was like going through hell. I first glued the interplane “V” struts to the upper wing and glued the upper wing on the cabane struts. That went quite well. When dryfitting the lower wings, the pins of the “V” struts didn’t match at all (in all directions), and that is even an understatement. I had some gaps on the joint of the lower wings to the fuselage where a Fokker could pass through. So I began (after deliberation with my partner Ernie) to fill them up with styrene. Little by little the dryfitting was looking better and I finally started glueing the business. That went totally wrong as when the right side was done, the front cabane struts were pointing to Germany. No way to bring them straight when glueing the other lower wing on.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_096_zpsae950fb1.jpg)
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The next photo almost induced me to transfer the build to the hall of shame models:
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_127_zpsfa63783a.jpg)
So I decided to do the rigging as good and as bad as I could. I must confess that I speeded to the finish so it could be done more carefully. The tail rigging wasn’t done (and wasn’t done either in the instructions). There are two tailplanes and two rudders in the kit, one of them was greyed out, so not supposed to be used. There was no decal for the second rudder too. But the tailplane to be used had no holes in it for the control cables to pass through and neighter holes for the fixing of the control horns. As I already had nothing but problems with the kit (in every department) I decided not to rig the tail.
(http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y385/IFF1418/Nieuport%2024/sized_Ni24_093_zpsa6415216.jpg)
As I said, I was (shame on me) speeding to the finish, so the rigging could have been done more carefully. The undercarriage could have been mounted better too. I wonder what some more experienced modeler with greater skills than I have can do with this kit. Because I don't think that for all the troubles I had, the kit is to be blamed. The problem is that I didn't learn too much of it, because I don't really know what I have done wrong. It's not a catastrophy because it didn't even take one and a half month of my life ;) (I started at the end of November)
Here are the photos of the finished model. Thank you for passing by and for all the good advice and kind encouragements I received.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Patrick,
You have achieved beautiful results in spite of your trials! Your painting is outstanding! As for the wings I think you have done a good job on a very difficult assembly! The alignment is amongst the best I have seen yet. Especially the upper wing not having the droop often seen on completed models using this kit! I applaud your perseverance!
RAGIII
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Very great paint Patrick.
Martin
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Patrick,
You have achieved beautiful results in spite of your trials! Your painting is outstanding! As for the wings I think you have done a good job on a very difficult assembly! The alignment is amongst the best I have seen yet. Especially the upper wing not having the droop often seen on completed models using this kit! I applaud your perseverance!
RAGIII
Thank you so much Rick my friend. You are always there to encourage me ( in good and bad times :D). I am a bit surprised that this would be one of the better alignments, but I am sure glad for these words coming from you!
Very great paint Patrick.
Martin
Thank you Martin, you too are always there to encourage your fellow modelers!
Kind regards
Patrick
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You're a hero, Patrick, I think this has proved that all of us who encounter this kit are worthy of legendary status.
It's funny, but now you've finished it, and the rigging is done - true it looks a little wonky from the front, but so does my Nieuport 27 -
you've proven what a pretty little plane the late Nieuport is.
Super painting job!
You've reminded me that it'll be worth having a go at the 24bis in my stash some time :)
Mark
PS By the way, I read that even the real thing had some dodgy manufacture: the Italians ordered a batch of 27s, and when they arrived, they found that in many parts of the airframe, screws had been hammered in like nails!
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Thank you so much Mark, these (too) kind words really are appreciated. With screws hammered in I would not like to pilot it! :o I totally agree that it was a very nice plane, as all the Nieuports were.
I am looking forward for your Ni 24b and will be gladly supporting you!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Well done, my friend! You have done wonders with a very difficult kit and
have a beautiful model to show for it. :D You must be commended for
your talents and perseverance. Thanks for sharing your build, with honest
information that will help others doing that model. :D
Cheers,
Ernie ;)
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Thank you my dear friend Ernie. As always your support is so much appreciated. If my struggle can at least help modelers who want to build this one I will be glad. It is a pity that the build has not resolved the problem of what to do first, install lower wings first as we did with the Bébé, our mini group build, or install the upper wing first (what I did now). :-\
Cheers,
Patrick
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I just received this kit and you have proven that despite its flaws, it can be built into a beautiful model. Bravo!
Cheers from NYC,
Michael
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Thank you very much Michael, I hope you will not wait too long to start on this one. Maybe if you and Mark (Bluesfan) will build it, we finally will know how to proceed. ;)
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello, Patrick -
Bloody well done, sir!
I'm really impressed with what you have done here - I could not even get my to go together so simply binned the kit at the wing mounted stage ................
Excellent job, well done.
Regards
Dave
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She's truly stunning, Patrick! You've done a remarkable job on a challenging kit. You should be proud. By the way, the Nie 24, 25 and 27 had the elevator control horn mounted inside the fuselage, so there were no external control wires.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello, Patrick -
Bloody well done, sir!
I'm really impressed with what you have done here - I could not even get my to go together so simply binned the kit at the wing mounted stage ................
Excellent job, well done.
Regards
Dave
Thank you very much Dave, I think that my perseverance and patience are greater than my skills. This said my build was for a moment very close to the binned stage too! ???
She's truly stunning, Patrick! You've done a remarkable job on a challenging kit. You should be proud. By the way, the Nie 24, 25 and 27 had the elevator control horn mounted inside the fuselage, so there were no external control wires.
Cheers,
Bud
Thank you so much Bud, as always your comments are so kind. All you friends make me keep going, even if things go bad. Thank you for mentioning the way the control horns were hided. Do you happen to have a photo of how this system worked? Thank you!
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Hello Patrick:
This is not one of Roden's better releases. You did an outstanding job on this kit. I have started and worked on this many times, only to relegate back to the box from whence it came. I doubt I will ever finish. However, yours and others here have inspired me to at least get it done. One of these day.
Your paint work is excellent and you managed to get the alignment spot on.
Best
Mark
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Excellent work on a challenging kit Patrick! I really like the way she looks. I shared your experience with the wings on my Nieuport 27, and have the new gray hairs to prove it! Your camo colors look particularly sharp and pleasing. Very well done, and way to hang in there. ;D
Cheers & huzzas,
Bob
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Hello Patrick:
This is not one of Roden's better releases. You did an outstanding job on this kit. I have started and worked on this many times, only to relegate back to the box from whence it came. I doubt I will ever finish. However, yours and others here have inspired me to at least get it done. One of these day.
Your paint work is excellent and you managed to get the alignment spot on.
Best
Mark
Mark, thank you for your kind words my friend. I sincerely hope that you will take it out of the box again and show us your wonderful talents with it.
Excellent work on a challenging kit Patrick! I really like the way she looks. I shared your experience with the wings on my Nieuport 27, and have the new gray hairs to prove it! Your camo colors look particularly sharp and pleasing. Very well done, and way to hang in there. ;D
Cheers & huzzas,
Bob
Thank you so much Bob. Nothing but good words from so many talented modelers and that is more than I expected with this build. Most happily last year when I started modeling my hairs were already completely gray! :D I still wonder how WnW would resolve the problem for the lower wing fixing, but I fear we will never find out my friend.
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Really nice job on the Nieuport. Those late style Nieups always seemed a lot more elegant to me than the 17s, etc.
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I applaud your efforts Patrick and I am delighted to see such a nice looking model. Reading of all the issues you had throughout the build I was expecting are far less a looking model, but what you have created here is stunning with a spectacular scheme. Apart from the unfinished tail rigging it looks as good as any model I have seen, well done Patrick and congratulations for pushing on with the build, the sign of a true talented modeler.
Des.
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Patrick, I cannot add anything here that hasn't been said already, but you've overcome so many difficulties with this build. I would have given up on it a long time ago.
Warren
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your nupe looks great,love it
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Really nice job on the Nieuport. Those late style Nieups always seemed a lot more elegant to me than the 17s, etc.
Thank you for your kind words. You are right and I think that the Nieuport 28 exceeds in elegance and beautiness.
I applaud your efforts Patrick and I am delighted to see such a nice looking model. Reading of all the issues you had throughout the build I was expecting are far less a looking model, but what you have created here is stunning with a spectacular scheme. Apart from the unfinished tail rigging it looks as good as any model I have seen, well done Patrick and congratulations for pushing on with the build, the sign of a true talented modeler.
Des.
Thank you so much Des for these really kind comments. Coming from you it even makes it more pleasant to hear. It was a very fruitful Nieuport year for me with the Ni 28c, Bébé, Ni 16c and now the Ni 24. I am glad I persevered when things went wrong.
Patrick, I cannot add anything here that hasn't been said already, but you've overcome so many difficulties with this build. I would have given up on it a long time ago.
Warren
Thank you so much Warren for your kind words and following the build! Much appreciated my friend
your nupe looks great,love it
Thank you Scott for your appreciation, coming from a great modeler!
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Not a trouble free build uh :o
Anyway the result is a little gem, congrats
Dric
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Thank you so much Dric, much appreciated! The build was indeed :-[ ??? :o >:( :'(
Kind regards
Patrick
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Wow Patrick! What a beautiful result despite incredible problems with this kit's engineering. A real tribute to your skills and patience, nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Lance,
Thank you my friend for your very kind words. Patience I have and was needed here. :o My skills have to improve a lot still. What I am happy for is that till now I didn't give up on any model I started. But from what I see on this forum with all these magnificent builds and famous modelers, is that I have a long way to go!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Well done :) Perhaps too clean for me but it's just my opinion. I like dirty aircrafts ;D
However your work is very good.
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Thank you very much Dol. As you, I like the weathering on those a/c done by so many great modelers. I have not reached that stage yet. I am concentrating on doing the build and try to obtain a decent painting. I am still learning and weathering will be done when I am able to do the basics right. But I also like a clean a/c as coming out of the factory.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thank you very much Dol. As you, I like the weathering on those a/c done by so many great modelers. I have not reached that stage yet. I am concentrating on doing the build and try to obtain a decent painting. I am still learning and weathering will be done when I am able to do the basics right. But I also like a clean a/c as coming out of the factory.
Kind regards
Patrick
And it could be more difficult to build a brand new aircraft. With the weathering you could hide a default and actually it's what I'm doing ;D
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And it could be more difficult to build a brand new aircraft. With the weathering you could hide a default and actually it's what I'm doing ;D
Very clever! :D
Patrick
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I remember when Roden's 1/32 WWI range was launched. The Albatros in particular was hailed in Windsock magazine with all sorts of platitudes. The advent of WNW seems to have relegated them to the ranks of the "for experienced modellers only". That's progress I suppose, but they do offer kits that WNW don't at half the price. And without horrible VAT import charges!
Build logs like this are spectacularly useful, as a known problem is fairly easy to solve. It's finding problems during the build that, as everybody knows, is so very frustrating and leaves many models half built on the dusty shelf of doom.
Thanks for taking the time and effort to make this build log - I've printed it out & put it in the kit box, so when I fancy a challenge I'll feel a lot more confident of giving it a crack. You've built it up to a lovely looking model, the finish in particular is excellent. I wish British planes were as colourful!
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Hello Kai,
Thank you very much for the kind comments on this build. I must admit that in your statement there is a lot of truth concerning the Roden models (and others). My 5 last builds were non-WnW model kits and of course that had a reason. I like the engineering of the WnW kits a lot, they are so wonderful, but the a/c I am really interested in are not available in their offer. I certainly don't want to interfere with their marketing and have never sent a complaint on the forum for that reason. The horrible VAT charges and handling costs of the European Customs are indeed a real pain for us, but WnW can't be blamed for that. As Des said in another post, in Australia there are no income taxes and besides WnW delivery is free too.
I wouldn't in no way blame the Roden kits, mostly well detailed (I remember my SPAD VII) and in the hands of a decent modeler very fine kits. But the same thing is true for WnW kits. If one doen't master modeling enough it will end in tears and discouragement too.
This said I am very glad that some people might take advantage of my build to overcome some pitfalls of the kit and I thank you for mentioning that!
Kind regards
Patrick