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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: jknaus on October 06, 2014, 09:31:25 AM

Title: sanding tool
Post by: jknaus on October 06, 2014, 09:31:25 AM
I saw this on Face Book and am ordering a set to see what they are like. They look very interesting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfjCzlIOxTY&feature=youtu.be

James
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: RAGIII on October 06, 2014, 11:01:19 AM
I saw that today also. Let us know how it/they work.
RAGIII
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Post by: lcarroll on October 06, 2014, 11:50:44 AM
James,
   Looks pretty efficient, how much is a set?
Cheers,
Lance
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Post by: IanB on October 06, 2014, 01:07:51 PM
Keep us posted, that looks very useful! I'd be interested to know how long the sander lasts, and how fragile it is....

Ian
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Post by: ALBATROS1234 on October 06, 2014, 02:28:00 PM
and price
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Post by: ALBATROS1234 on October 06, 2014, 02:32:06 PM
looking closer this looks quite similar to these packs of sanding needles. i wonder can i cut off the tip drill a hole in the base and glue a shank the use that n the same way using on hand supplies.hmmm?
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Post by: Nigel Jackson on October 06, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
Thanks for the info James. It looks very interesting.

Best wishes
Nigel
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Post by: Ollie on October 06, 2014, 05:10:11 PM
For those that were asking about price the set is $25 US dollars with shipping between $2-$5 depending on your location. You can check then out at their Facebook page here:

https://www.facebook.com/HobbyElements

Hope this helps.

Ollie
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: eclarson on October 08, 2014, 02:50:51 AM
From the video and pics on FB they look to be made of steel with either a fine abrasive coating (diamond?) or perhaps more like files with the surface of the bit itself being etched or cut.

I've used pointed and narrow-diameter diamond-coated bits in my Dremel for years to do cleanup. The Hobby Element tools appear to be a nice refinement on that so I'm very interesting in getting a set.  I look forward to hearing a few reviews first though.

Cheers,
Eric
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: jknaus on October 08, 2014, 04:02:47 AM
I have a set coming. Didnt put the price because I didnt think we were allowed to. But yes $25.00 plus $4.00 shipping. Will let you fellows know how they work out when they get here, if they dont get lost in a customs quagmire like my Fokkers have.
James
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Post by: Des on October 08, 2014, 07:14:00 AM
Thanks for the info on this new tool James, it looks very promising.

Prices can be quote here as long as you are not the manufacturer or distributor of the item.

Des.
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Post by: Dekenba on October 09, 2014, 04:35:04 AM
I'm not sure that this tool allows you to do anything you can't already? In my experience, power tools and plastic just don't mix
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Post by: arek on October 10, 2014, 09:16:19 AM
I just have received mine..
It's just  5 steel rods of 3mm diameter covered with diamond abrasives in five different grades from coarse to very fine. I think it's good for resin, not too much usable for power tools with plastic but great for cleaning holes of small and very small diameter just as a precise conical diamond file.
Nice to have but nothing necessary.
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: jknaus on October 10, 2014, 10:01:07 AM
Thanks. Not as keen on this now, but its ordered and I'll see what I can do with it. Do the bits clog up a lot and if so are they easy toclean?
James
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: eclarson on October 10, 2014, 12:27:31 PM
I just have received mine..
It's just  5 steel rods of 3mm diameter covered with diamond abrasives in five different grades from coarse to very fine. I think it's good for resin, not too much usable for power tools with plastic but great for cleaning holes of small and very small diameter just as a precise conical diamond file.
Nice to have but nothing necessary.

I just ordered a set today.  That's what I figured and hoped they'd be.   As I mentioned above, I've used diamond bits in my Dremel for years to do cleanup - resin and plastic.  Getting the finer grade abrasives will be very useful.  I must humbly disagree with your comment about not being usable for power tools.  They most certainly are!  You've just got to keep the speed down.  I have an ancient Model 260 Dremel with a separate speed control that will go from 0 to full speed with the twist of a knob.  I recently purchased one of Dremel's new cordless 8050 Micro tools and its lower speed settings work fine on plastic too. 

Cheers,
Eric
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Post by: Doug Mace on October 13, 2014, 03:20:16 AM
Eric....Dumb question but short of splurging on a Dremel (which I'd love to do but just can't right now), do you think a small electric drill like the one Tamiya makes would work with these flash sanders? In other words, I wonder if they'd fit in the chucks/collets...should, shouldn't they?
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: eclarson on October 13, 2014, 05:58:02 AM
Eric....Dumb question but short of splurging on a Dremel (which I'd love to do but just can't right now), do you think a small electric drill like the one Tamiya makes would work with these flash sanders? In other words, I wonder if they'd fit in the chucks/collets...should, shouldn't they?

Not a dumb question at all.  I'm familiar with the little Tamiya drill but don't have one.  So, though I would imagine the flash sanding bits would fit it, or similar tool, perhaps someone else could confirm that.  On the other hand, I don't think a drill would provide high enough RPMs to make the sanders effective. 

Eric
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Post by: the great waldo on October 13, 2014, 06:23:01 AM
Hi

I've got one of those Tamiya drills somewhere and have also ordered the sanders. I'm abroad at the moment but when I get back i'll see if the sanders fit. I would be tempted to use the sanders in a dremel or minitool type of tool of which I am lucky to have plenty of as my job as a guitar maker requires them. I bought the little Tamiya drill for fun on a whim but i'd reckon it's plenty powerful enough for the sanding spikes. I you guys can wait till next week when i'm home i'll see if the sanders have arrived and let you know.

Cheers

Andrew
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on October 13, 2014, 02:15:19 PM
dougmace you can get knock off dremels for less than $20 all over i got one from harbor freight for $10.look here: http://www.harborfreight.com/80-piece-rotary-tool-kit-97626.html

its worked fine for me although there is no speed control
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: eclarson on October 14, 2014, 02:15:40 AM
dougmace you can get knock off dremels for less than $20 all over i got one from harbor freight for $10.look here: http://www.harborfreight.com/80-piece-rotary-tool-kit-97626.html

its worked fine for me although there is no speed control

A speed control is an absolute necessity when using a moto-tool on plastic.  Most newer Dremels, and knock-offs, have built in controls but they rarely provide the smooth 0-full range of a separate one.

Check eBay for good deals on Dremels and speed controls.  Here's an example of the latter, which is the one I use, with a starting bid of just under $15.  It's in the US but it looks like the seller will ship world wide.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DREMEL-motor-speed-control-cat-no-219-control-dremel-232-245-260-270-280-/161448558563

Cheers,
Eric
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: eclarson on October 23, 2014, 08:35:16 AM
My sanders arrived today.  Kudos to the Hobby Elements for prompt shipping and a well packaged product.  The tools will be very useful as all but the roughest two are finer than the diamond burrs I've been using for years.   A good addition to my tool collection! 

Cheers,
Eric
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: Wolf on October 24, 2014, 05:31:24 PM
I am a fan of good tools too. But I think 25 $ is somewhat expensive.
As an alternative, you can asked your local Dentist for obsolete tools. Dentists often have tools which are still quite good, but can not be used any longer for the dental care.
I got more than 50 tools (polisher, sander, miller etc.) from my Dentist, which all can be used in my Dremel or Proxxon, for free. (ok, I gave 5 € tip for the employees)
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: eclarson on October 25, 2014, 06:59:26 AM
I am a fan of good tools too. But I think 25 $ is somewhat expensive.
As an alternative, you can asked your local Dentist for obsolete tools. Dentists often have tools which are still quite good, but can not be used any longer for the dental care.
I got more than 50 tools (polisher, sander, miller etc.) from my Dentist, which all can be used in my Dremel or Proxxon, for free. (ok, I gave 5 € tip for the employees)

Not really.  5 bits @ $5 per bit is a good deal.   Good Dremel diamond bits run  $7 - $9 and I've never seen any with as fine an abrasive as these. 

You're right about the dental tools!  Having had a good friend for decades who was both a dentist (now retired) and modeler, I could start my own practice with what's in my shop - mirrors, probes, picks, scrapers, drill bits, etc. - you name it, I've got it.  My favorite is a complete set of root canal files.  :)  Dentists are also a good source of thin lead foil which is used to protect X-ray film.  Perfect for seat belts and other scratch building.   

Cheers,
Eric

Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: WarrenD on October 25, 2014, 11:32:22 PM
I know I'm waiting into this a bit late, but I purchased a battery-powered Dremel tool for approx $20.00 US at a big-box hardware store a good while back that was marketed as a tool to clean golf clubs, etc. It has a high and low setting, and both work well on styrene, etc. Relatively cheap, it works, etc.

YMMV, FWIW,

Warren
Title: Re: sanding tool
Post by: Wolf on November 03, 2014, 10:27:10 PM
I am a fan of good tools too. But I think 25 $ is somewhat expensive.
As an alternative, you can asked your local Dentist for obsolete tools. Dentists often have tools which are still quite good, but can not be used any longer for the dental care.
I got more than 50 tools (polisher, sander, miller etc.) from my Dentist, which all can be used in my Dremel or Proxxon, for free. (ok, I gave 5 € tip for the employees)

Not really.  5 bits @ $5 per bit is a good deal.   Good Dremel diamond bits run  $7 - $9 and I've never seen any with as fine an abrasive as these. 

You're right about the dental tools!  Having had a good friend for decades who was both a dentist (now retired) and modeler, I could start my own practice with what's in my shop - mirrors, probes, picks, scrapers, drill bits, etc. - you name it, I've got it.  My favorite is a complete set of root canal files.  :)  Dentists are also a good source of thin lead foil which is used to protect X-ray film.  Perfect for seat belts and other scratch building.   

Cheers,
Eric

I meant expensive compared to the Dentist Tools. I know that original Dremel bits are even more expensive.

I dont want to talk out These Tools to anyone. Just wanted to Show that there are sometimes cheaper alternatives.