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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: PrzemoL on August 07, 2014, 08:22:45 AM
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The kit has been well known for a few years:
http://www.mac.distribution.cz/model-kits.php?akce=model&nazev=bristol-scout&id=94
I have had it in my stash for some time now but was quite intimidated by it. However, finally I decided to give it a go. I want to build the famous Lanoe Hawker's 1611 which is an early C version. This makes the build even more problematic, because the kit parts are rather more to D than C. But let's start from the beginning.
First of all the rib structure of the flying and control surfaces is far too emphasized. Also the profiles of are too thick, the trailing edges literally thicker than the leading edges should be. So I decided to sand them all flush and will try to "rebuild" the lost surface waves by means of optical illusion - the postshading. Thus, the profiles I got are now much more to the scale:
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-34_zpsaebf48d9.jpg)
Additionally, the lower wings from the kit required scribing the ailerons.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-33_zps3695bc4d.jpg)
The upper wings were too short in span. I decided to cut off the outer portions from the centre-piece, correct the profile, insert 1mm plastic stripes and glue them back together using a cardboard jig which will be also useful later, when the lower wings will be attached to the fuselage.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-31_zps333a1483.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-32_zps502e434e.jpg)
The tailplane in the kit was the large version used in later C's and D's. The photo of Hawker's C shows clearly the earlier smaller version. Unfortunately, even that the kit had a larger version it was too short in chord. So once more - sand flush, trim the outer sections, cut off the elevator segments, insert the pieces of plastic (again about 1mm) and glue the pieces together again.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-35_zpsc2769902.jpg)
The kit includes a PE fret with sides of the interior structure. But it has little to do with the reality and is far underscale in order to make it fit inside the thick-sided fuselage. I will try to scratch build the interior but first I had to substantially sand the interior of the fuse halves to make the walls much, much thinner.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-36_zpsc94b1176.jpg)
I have also decided to replace those blobs of plastic which imitate engines in the kit. I have bought and MANAGED to assemble the Small Stuff Le Rhone 9c fantastic replica. I must admit I was hard put to it with this tiny masterpiece of resin technology. But here it is after a lot of sweating, cursing, etc. For instance, I managed to lose three spark plugs before I found a safe method to handle them from the sprue to their holes in the cylinders. Luckily the manufacturer provided some spares!
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-37_zps619be9e1.jpg)
Inevitably the true-to-scale engine is much larger than the kit original, so there is a problem with the cowling. Additionally the kit part had a too large opening. So I managed to build one to the scale from some substantially thinned spare parts from Eduard's Ni17. This one in turn will require some modifications to the fuselage front. But that later...
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-38_zps439ab0e9.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-39_zpsc8977eb4.jpg)
I only wonder if it is at all worth to bury the Small Stuff engine inside the cowling which will reveal just this
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-40_zps535a4d6d.jpg)
More to come soon.
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you have made a great start with this very attractive aeroplane Przemol, the alterations you made to the wing and tail are well done and the small Stuff engine looks magnificent, looking forward to following along with this build.
Des.
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Prezmol you are a true master of 1/72 and I have learnt a lot from you and this is an aircraft that I would like to make.Already I have learnt not to bother with Plastic injection in this scale,but to use Joe Chubbocks excellent Libra rendition of the scout in vac form.I also have Small stuffs excellent engines at hand.I shall be watching over our shouder!
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Great start Prez.
I shall be watching this with interest as I also have this one in my stash. On first looks it appears pretty good, but obviously looks can be deceiving.....
Ian
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does seem a waste to put such a nice engine under the bristol scouts tiny opening cowl. but you will know its there.
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As always your work is outstanding! I am really looking forward to your progress and will be keeping close watch on your build!
RAGIII
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Looking forward to this one :)
Shame that the cowl cover up so much of the engine , it is beautifully cast !
Terri
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Hello Prez:
This is going to be a fun one to watch as well. Too bad about all the effort put into the engine to only have it all covered up. With only the front piece being visible, maybe it would be worth using the kit supplied engine. That way you wouldn't have to do any major surgery to make the new larger cowl fit the model. Either way, it will be interesting to watch you work your skills on this.
Best
Mark
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You are off to a flying start here Prez. The Bristol Scout is not on my list at the m,omen but it could be added in the near future! I shall follow this build with great interest as I watch a master at work.
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I believe the early Scout Cs had a 7 cylinder Gnome Lambda 80hp engine so maybe the deep cowling is a blessing !!!
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Thank you, everybody!
Chip, you are most probably right - many thanks for helping me avoid such a blunder! I will keep this Le Rhone for my nearest build - HR Models Pup and will use Small Stuff Gnome Lambda instead. In any case, the kit cowling is too small compared to the scale drawings in WD.
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Oddly enough I've just started this model myself but it won't be a patch on yours. Your attention to detail is very impressive
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Thank you, Toby. BTW, it would be nice to see your progress on this fine little model.
Meanwhile, the work contiunued on the interior. Yet, before this I found out another problem, namely, the fuselage was too narrow all along its length. I decided to add 0.25mm stripes of plastic along both mating surfaces of the fuse halves. Then I built the interior structure on the sides using thin plastic profiles, added rigging from elastic thread. To avoid the problem with the seam visible on the bottom I used a thin PE plate to imitate the fuselage bottom to which I added the bottom transverse truss elements, rigging and built the rudder bar/control stick station using plastic pieces, spare PE elements, wire and the hand grip from the PE fret of the kit. The control lines are tightened between the rudder bar, control stick and two plastic blocks fixed inside the fuselage well to the back not to be seen when the fuselage is closed. The instrument board is from the kit PE, too.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-43_zps98cbae06.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-41_zpse8453477.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-42_zps7af3bf82.jpg)
Then, after joining the fuselage halves I have tightened two rigging crosses (vertical and top horizontal) behind the pilot. Here I have used two tiny self made eyelets which were later hidden by the top transverse member of the truss.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-45_zpsfa3ea4a6.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-47_zps8eb9187f.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-46_zps4921049d.jpg)
The pilot seat (made from dedicated Part PE elements, the cushion cut from the kit seat and the harness from the kit PE fret) will jump in when I finish sanding of cockpit coaming rebuiilt using thick CA glue.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-44_zpsb53466aa.jpg)
All the fuselage joints are now filled with liquid CA glue and await full setting before I start sanding and polishing them. However, the bottom tip of control stick with two cables is already build, sanding will require some care here.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-48_zps9249f2ea.jpg)
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Simply STUNNING work as always in this scale! The interior and mods you have made to fix the issues are excellent!
RAGIII
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Very ingenious method of pulling the internal rigging tight inside the cockpit. The interior detail is simply amazing - up to your usual standard of course. This will be another excellent model from your work place.
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Excellent job on making the mod's so far Prze . On the instrument panel , is the instruments clear film or is this decal . Looks pretty dame good !
Terri
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Thanks for the kind comments, lady and gentlemen.
Terri, the instrument panel is from the clear film and the PE part included in the kit.
In the meantime Gnome Lambda arrived from Small Stuff (great customer service, as usual!). Assembling it was yet one more strain to my eyes, I had to resort to a magnifying glass (for the first time in my life!) but I managed to do it!!! Apart from my attempts to put it together, with every bit I added to it my admiration and awe to the manufacturer of this little gem grew on. So, here it is
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-49_zps97f795c0.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-50_zps54f87184.jpg)
And I also worked on the fuselage - added the tailplane, the firewall and the fuselage bottom at the exhaust zone. All the joints were filled, sanded and polished. I have sprayed a dark grey paint to check the quality of these works, you can still see it at some places.
Two funny spurious stich lines under the tailplane removed (it seems that guys at MAC took the tailplane struts at the side views as the stich lines!), as was the too deep imitation of the inspection panel. The panel will be reinstated using the kit PE fret.
The correctly located recessed lines along the stiching will serve me as a lead to attach the PE stich pattern from Part. The fuselage also got the wire pins to be used to reinforce the lower wings joints which are only by the wing spars leaving gaps between the wing and the fuselage. They will indeed require some extra strength.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-51_zps00aa461d.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-52_zps8defd04c.jpg)
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Przemek great job on the kit!!! Those resin engines look magnificent. It is rather hard to handle a spark plug in 48th scale, in 72nd it has to be a nightmare. Cockpit looks great, as well as your modifications on the kit.
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That engine looks most impressive. As usual you make difficult tasks look easy - the true mark of a master. This is going to be another masterpiece from your bench.
If you wear glasses (as I do) can I suggest a clip on lens with x10 magnification (as I have mentioned in previous posts) - it makes life so much easier with the small parts. They are not expensive and are worth every penny or cent.
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Beautiful work on that engine! I have to use a magnifier for 1/32nd plugs and that is even too difficult :-[
RAGIII
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Beautiful work on the interior Przemol, the seat looks exceptional and the Small Stuff engine is simply amazing, this is shaping up to be a real stunner.
Des.
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Prez -
Will simply echo what others have already said regarding your interior work and engine.
Excellent!
Regards
Dave
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That is one detail engine for 72 scale !
Terri
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Thank you everybody!
LoneModeller, I do not wear glasses, yet. For a moment I think of a large magnifying glass with a base. But thank you for the hint. I am afraid the time comes wen I may really need it ;)
And in the meantime I have basically prepared the bulk for painting. Attached the lower wings, drilled the holes for struts, rigging and control horns, preshaded the undersides with the lines of ribs and spars, added Part PE stiching, PE fuel tank caps and metal adhesive tape inspection covers. I could not find any spare PE step rims to dress the hopeless holes in the kit parts. But then the idea came to me to canibalise these from two spare old Airfix Pups fuselages. I managed to cut them carefully with the surroundings using a sharp razor blade, then trim them and delicately sand them.
Now for bare metal and linen colours!
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-55_zps5dd99f56.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-53_zps479a4c1a.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-54_zps297f895d.jpg)
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Excellent Prze! I missed the motor update before -- that is stupendous.
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Spectacular work as always, Prez! Have you decided on a scheme, or did I miss that one? Oh, yeah. Hawker. Sorry. :-[
Cheers,
Bud
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The stitching on the fuselage looks great and your wing shading also looks very good.
Des.
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Did you use a sharpie pen for the frame work ? This is what really messed up build . The ink bleed through the future , lacquer and paint and now I have to start all over again :(
Splendid work as always Prze ! Nice touch with the lacing on the fuselage side :)
Terri
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Awesome prep work for the see through ribs! You are always an inspiring builder!
RAGIII
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Beautiful work as usual, Prez!
Ian
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Coming together very nicely, Sir.
A real treat to watch.
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Thank you, everybody. Your kind words are always an inspiration to go on! ;)
Terri, I have heard about problems with permanent pens. However, I have done such preshading (pre-drawing it should be probably called) several times now. And never had the issues. I suppose it is a question of paint type. I use acrylic paints which cover nicely and gradually the traced pattern until the required degree of translucency. Then usual coats of varnish, postshading, weathering and the pen ink remains where it should be.
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Thank you, everybody. Your kind words are always an inspiration to go on! ;)
Terri, I have heard about problems with permanent pens. However, I have done such preshading (pre-drawing it should be probably called) several times now. And never had the issues. I suppose it is a question of paint type. I use acrylic paints which cover nicely and gradually the traced pattern until the required degree of translucency. Then usual coats of varnish, postshading, weathering and the pen ink remains where it should be.
Perhaps the contents of the pens are different over there, Sir. I have had the same experience Ms. Terri has, and I use acrylics, of the PollyScale/Model Master sort, not the Tamiya type. For under-surface rib work, I find an ordinary No.2 pencil works very well, and without the slightest risk (or need to remember where you put the cap...).
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It maybe right, OldMan.
Anyway, my combination that worked flawlessly up till now (and I hope will work this time, too) is Faber Castell Multimark 1525 permanent pen, size S and Pactra acrylic paint A123 Pale Stone to get CDL shade.
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Wonderful work as usual Prez. Thanks too for the tips on the pre-shading - I really must take the plunge with that and really give it a go.
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It maybe right, OldMan.
Anyway, my combination that worked flawlessly up till now (and I hope will work this time, too) is Faber Castell Multimark 1525 permanent pen, size S and Pactra acrylic paint A123 Pale Stone to get CDL shade.
Not trying to teach you your business, Sir. You do marvelous work, and I would like to get just close to your standard of finishing. I was speaking of (and I suppose Ms. Terri was, too) a common brand over here called Sharpie. Faber is a serious art supply company, and may well have something quite different in its permanent pens. Thanks for the model number.
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Hey Prze ,
I will have to check the art store for the pen you mentioned and will have to give this ago . I will not be using a sharpie again for this method .
Oldman , nice to know that I'm not the only one who has had this mishap before . I think you're right , different type of ink in the higher quality in the marker .
I will have to post pic's of this disaster in the hall of shame ...
Terri
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Again, thanks everybody for your kind comments.
OldMan and Terri, it may be right that the problem of bleeding ink is due to the quality of permanent pens. Here is yet one more proof that mine is working fine:
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-59_zps47bae2cc.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-58_zps92d6fef8.jpg)
I have also shaded the upper surfaces and the fuselage and stained them extensively as is evident in the photo of Hawker's Scout presented in WD. I have also built the skew mounted Lewis - the support is scratch built from spare plastic and the Lewis itself is the resin element from the kit.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-57_zpsb9dd51ad.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-56_zpsd62f1e16.jpg)
The rudder is also decalled, varnished and shaded. After attaching the control horns it will be ready to installing.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-60_zpsa737de38.jpg)
And the Small Stuff masterpiec engine got the silver paint and some wash. It is ready but will be attached at the very end of the build - I will need a clean holding spot at the front of the fuselage.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-61_zps458d8bbe.jpg)
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A very nice work and paint for this little scale.
Martin
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Hello Prze. This is shaping up beautifully. I think the overall finish is most effective.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Exemplary work, as always, Prez! Love the weathering and shading. I'll be doing this ship in 1/48 and I can only hope that mine will turn out half as fine.
Cheers,
Bud
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Exemplary work, as always, Prez! Love the weathering and shading. I'll be doing this ship in 1/48 and I can only hope that mine will turn out half as fine.
Cheers,
Bud
Prez,
I have to agree with Bud. Excellent shading and weathering. Compared to some pictures yours might even be considered clean for the type. If ever one comes out in 1/32nd I will have to build one!
RAGIII
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Gorgeous work again Prez, I can see that this one will be another jewel!
Ian
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Thank you, again, everybody, for your kind words.
So, a few more steps forward: rigging lines glued into the holes in the lower wings and the fuselage, upper wing on, cabane struts attached, rigging tightened and glued.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-62_zpsae025780.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-63_zps90e1036b.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-64_zpscfa3cfbb.jpg)
Now for the haircut and filling the holes on the upper wing.
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Outstanding update Prez! Beautiful as always!
RAGIII
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Come to think of it, after seeing those images, I could do with a haircut too. Granted, I think your Scout has more than I do though. ;D :'(
Cheers,
Chris
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In recent days I have built the u/c structure (axis from scratch, legs from the kit). added control horns on the under surfaces and the rudder and finished the paint and weathering of the upper wing upper surface. The control lines and the u/c rigging still need tightening.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-65_zpsf7ad7667.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-66_zpsdf8d5d44.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-67_zps158b733b.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-68_zpsdc5c838d.jpg)
Now only the finishing touches remain - the control lines, engine with its cowling and propeller, the stiffening bar in the u/c and the wheels. The birdie should be completed soon.
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A beautiful build!
RAGIII
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Beautiful job on the weathering !
Terri
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Thanks, Rick and Terri.
And yet closer to the end of this project - only the aileron lines need tightening and the windshield is missing.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/scout-69_zps47f40216.jpg)
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/scout-70_zps00055e80.jpg)
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It is an outstanding work.
Martin
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Beautifully weathered, Prez!
Ian
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Terrific!
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What a super piece of work Prez! It's so good to see these early war types and you have made a fine job of it. Not far to go now.
Best wishes
Nigel
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What can I add? This looks so realistic. As Nigel has written it is good to see another of the less popular early types being modelled, and in this case by a truly gifted modeller.
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Agree with others, Prez -
Looking great
Regards
Dave
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Wow.
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I have just come across your build log, Prze. I'm not sure how I missed it,
but it is an absolute jewel. Your paint, weathering and staining are superb,
as usual in your builds. great job on the rigging, as well. All this in the teeny
scale on top of it all. Great work, my friend. Now that I am caught-up, I am
looking forward to your final pictures. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Looking great Przemek!!! I really like the shading and weathering. I don`t like the metal on the cowling though. I think you should use a different paint - this one has too much grain, is it an acrylic?
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Thank you, everybody. I am glad you like my little Scout.
Filip, the cowling is indeed painted with acrylic paint. I know it is not the best item in my model. However I think, the paint grain looks overdone in the macro photography. In reality it is much more realistic. Anyway, my modelling conditions do not allow me to use anything else than acrylics. I have to live with the Citadel Mithril Silver. It is the best acrylic metal paint I have ever used. Not produced anymore but recently in eBay I came across an Irishmen who was selling two bottles, so now I have a reserve for a long time. :)
And in the meantime, the Scout got completed. Last thing to report is that I replaced the kit wheels with Aeroclub white metal ones. One shot here, more in the Completed Models section.
(http://i710.photobucket.com/albums/ww109/PrzemoLPP/bristol-scout/scout-08_zps42e9f349.jpg)
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An amazingly Beautiful Build!
RAGIII
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Thank you, Rick!
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Truly gorgeous, Prez! Now to look at the completed photos.
Cheers,
Bud
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Your work continues to inspire me, Przemol. Truly beautiful, and mind boggling to me that you do this in 1/72nd scale.
Chris
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Beautiful model and great work. I try to keep in mind all the tips and techniques you post for my coming models. Dziękuję.
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Thanks, Bud, Chris and Vincent. Your kind word are much appreciated.
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Really beautiful PrzemoL...
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Great job, I especially like the weathering and rigging.
I agree with xmald, that the aluminium on the cowling could be less grainy (however, I do know what macro can do with photographs). If you would like to try another paint, three weeks ago I bought Mr. Paint metalizers and they are absolutely incredible. They are lacquer based, compatible with GSI Mr. Color and very comfortable to work with.
As you are from Poland, it should not be difficult to buy them (they come from Czech Republic). Anyway, should there be any problem with ordering, send me a PM. ;)
P.S.: I am not a dealer, even though it might look like that. :D
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Absolutly fantastic this build.
Martin
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Thank you very much.
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Hi PrzemoL,
Love the attention for detail. Especially the stitching.
Dagmar
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Thank you, Dagmar!
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That is absolutely astounding work. Mine is still resting half built :o
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Thanks Toby. But give your Scoutie a go - it is a fine kit after all.