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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Scratch builds => Topic started by: xmald on March 11, 2014, 06:44:08 AM
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It`s my rather unfortunate attempt on scratch building... I` ve started it some time ago and decided to finish it anyway. It`s ugly I know, and crude and... I will add some wires and cables and will try to forget about this one and finally start a hopefully more decent model.
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/demoiselle4_zpsbfe7c166.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/demoiselle2_zpsfd560230.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/demoiselle1_zpscec8b135.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/demoiselle3_zpsd508b62b.jpg)
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Thanks Filip for posting your build of the Demoiselle, a very unique and historic aircraft. What you have done so far is extra good, the engine looks to be very well detailed, I'm looking forward to seeing the rigging fitted which will make this model look even better, well done.
Des.
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Brilliant work, as usual, Filip! I'm looking forward to seeing her all rigged up.
Cheers,
Bud
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Des and Bud you are both too kind... I think this one should end up in the hall of shame section.
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Hall of shame? By no means! It is a very fine effort, Filip. It brings to my mind the great movie "Those magnificent men in their flying machines" and that funny Frenchman who flew this lovely birdie! Thanks for showing it. And in the right section!
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Filip this was a great build. Your tires are exelent.
Martin
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Nice work so far, the rigging will make all the differance! I'm looking forward to seeing it finished.
Ian
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Filip, I think this is a nifty model that captures the spirit of the original. No shame in this one.
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I think it looks great! Thanks for sharing, Filip. Found this postcard of Santos Dumont's Demoiselle to celebrate your model:
(http://i1011.photobucket.com/albums/af234/Jamo_kiwi/WWI%20posters/DemoiselleSantosDumont.jpg)
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Hi Filip.
You're too hard on yourself, but I guess that's what drives you to such high standards. It's a nice piece of work and I'd been wondering when someone would have a crack at the Demoiselle.
Best wishes
Nigel
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I want to second all the opinions above - I think that this is one wonderfull project and you should be proud of the result!
Can't wait to see it rigged and please, can you show some close up pictures of the engine and some other key details?
Best regards,
Sasho
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I too agree with the others Filip. If you put this in the Hall of Shame I will ask that the moderator take it out and put it in a prominent place where it can be properly and rightfully admired. The detail is amazing and when it is rigged it will truly capture the spirit of the original. This really is an excellent model and fully worthy of you. Thank you for posting it and PLEASE put up more photos when it is finished so that we really CAN admire it
May I be permitted to make a personal suggestion? I suspect that this was a difficult build, even for someone with your skill, and that as a result you became a little frustrated at times. That can lead to very negative feelings: the more a person aims at perfection the worse the problem can be. This leads to an over-reaction and we then become over-critical of what we have done. I write this as one who has repeatedly gone through the above process, (and sometimes continues to do so), with the result that I too am often dissatisfied with what I have done, while around me others are saying "wow'' how good everything is. I suspect that you are a perfectionist and this problem is worse for people of that disposition. I am not a psychologist but I am a retired teacher and I have witnessed this reaction on very many occasions with able students who have seriously undervalued their achievements because they felt that they could have done more, even when they could not. In your case I ask what more could you reasonably have done?
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If this belongs in the hall of shame then everything I've made belongs in the bin! It's a fine looking model and the rigging will finish it off nicely.
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Thank you all of you for your most encouraging words. I think your comments will give me enough motivation to finish the bird. I will certainly take some pics of this build as soon as I will have some rigging on.
Lone Modeller I think you might be right... I expected this one to be much easier and as the frustration grew I have become disencouraged by the results. Like I said I will finish this one even though I`m not satisfied with the outcome.
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Filip,
I am glad you are continuing to work on this BEAUTIFUL scratch build! If I could only build something as ugly I would be thrilled!
RAGIII
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This is a very fine build of a very difficult subject, Filip. Like most of us you are guilty of being too critical of your own work; we all strive for perfection however few if any will ever achieve that in their own assessments. I didn't build it and I was not there when something didn't go quite right, therefore I see a very impressive and fairly perfect model in these photos. Well done!
Cheers,
Lance
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I'll echo everyone else Filip: this is a very fine model! ;D The wings and tail surfaces look like you have covered a framework with fabric---how did you achieve that effect, and what materials did you use? Thanks!
Cheers,
Bob
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Once again thank you very much for your most encouraging words gentlemen!
I'll echo everyone else Filip: this is a very fine model! ;D The wings and tail surfaces look like you have covered a framework with fabric---how did you achieve that effect, and what materials did you use? Thanks!
Cheers,
Bob
Bob the wing spars are metal rods, the ribs and other parts are veneer cut to shape. They were covered with tissue and were coated with cellon. Afterwards i sprayed them with white paint with a few drops of tan.
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And she`s finished... As I am rather less than satisfied with the way this model turned out I`m happy at the same time that I`ve managed to finish my first scratchbuilding project. A lot of things I would do differently if I had another go on this one...
My model depicts one of many Demoiselles built to Alberto Santos Dumont`s plans. The design derives from 1909 and is considered to be one of the first ultralight aircraft ever built. Its weight didn`t exceed 140 kilos. There were many different engines used on this plane, I have built mine with Dutheil & Chalmers ,35HP.
It looks crude but I`m still happy to have in my collection.
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle2_zps516de7eb.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle3_zps0f27d379.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle1_zps6ed05e65.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle5_zps7a95f9a9.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle4_zps5ff1ddc9.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle8_zps0b1c3cf2.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle6_zpsec647bd4.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle9_zps7fb58720.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle10_zps92a7621b.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle11_zpsb0622bc1.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle7_zps323b4d2d.jpg)
(http://i1055.photobucket.com/albums/s520/xmald/Santos%20Dumont%20Demoiselle/SantosDumontDemoiselle20_zps61d4fa54.jpg)
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Filip,
That's lovely - great work. Reminds me of a book I got as a birthday present - 'Aviation the early years' which is a superb book with some stunning photographs of these old, fragile flying machines.
Regards
Dave
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A great build and very nice photos, Filip.
Martin
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You have done a superb job Filip, the model looks every part like a real Demoiselle, you have created the true essence of these very early fragile flying machines and depicted quite accurately a very famous aeroplane, congratulations and well done.
Des.
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Thank you very much Dave, Martin and Des! I`m really happy that you like it!
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Nice job Filip, I like the overhead photo a lot
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Great work and pics !!!
Ed
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Filip, you should be proud of it. I would wish to have such a beautiful model as my first scratch (assuming I will ever dare to build a model from scratch...)
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Well done, looks good with the rigging. I've never had the guts to try and scratch build, my Dad was always trying to get me to try but I can't see it ever happening.
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As one who has started scratch building in recent months (but in God's Own Scale not 1/48) I say that for a first that is excellent. You have done a brilliant job on the engine, the fabric is realistically transparent and the overall effect of a very fragile machine is fully captured by this model. I like the photos too - in all very many congratulations.
PS. we would all do things differently if we did it again - I thought that that was one of the lessons of modelling!
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Truly extraordinary work, Filip! As Prez said, if I were to ever take on the challenge of scratch-building, I could only hope mine would turn out so fine.
Cheers,
Bud
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Really beautiful job and great photography, Filip. Congratulations again on some very fine modelling!
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you very much for your kind remarks! I think I really don`t deserve all these kind words.
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Don't underestimate your talents Filip, what you have achieved with this scratch build is nothing short of amazing, a real credit to you.
Des.
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:) Really impressive, very nice to see you again some excellent! And this was supposed to be a plane in which the Edvard Rusjan got the idea after he built "Eda 5" plane, which I myself do.