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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: KrzysiekK on May 12, 2012, 07:58:09 PM
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Since I bought Albatros D.III OEFFAGa by Blue Max at an auction, came up with the idea to create the replica of no.2 of the 7 Polish Fighter Squadron "Kosciuszko" . I was supplied with proper decals and began to work.
Blue Max differs a lot from current Eduard products, so I decided to buy the ED84152 and do so little comparison.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_1.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_2.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_3.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_4.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_5.JPG)
As you can see the BM fuselage is more "fleshy" and rather coarse in comparison with the slim and well detailed ED, so little taming is needed.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_9.JPG)
I started with the Blue Max and prepared some equipment by myself as interior was really poor and need some enhancement. Thus few details like seat belt, compass, sofa chair and throttle were added. The structure of the interior was incorrect. I have encountered one single board imitating the floor. I have prepared the MG using the disposable needle and resin part.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_8.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_10.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_11.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_13.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_14.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_15.JPG)
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Great start and an interesting comparison.
Steve
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Having built both of these kits myself, I find this side by side comparison really interesting. I love Blue Max kits. I think they are among the best short run injected kits ever produced. Still, compared to the very best of Eduards WWI kits, it falls a bit short. That's not a criticism of the Blue Max kit. If anything, it's a compliment that you would even build them side by side. You're doing a wonderful job on the BM kit, so far, and I'm really looking forward to watching this project progress.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very interesting project and one I'm looking forward to seeing more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Nice work so far, love the buried guns.
Regards :)
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its not a fair comparison in a way because the blue max kit is short run older technology and the eduard is their best kit they ever made after they refined their equipement 2-3 times. the first generation eduard is on par with blue max kits mold wise. that said i own most of the blue max and old eduard stuff, some types there simply isnt another 1/48 kit of that type. i remember 2 years ago eduard taled about making a halberstadt dv which is very similar the the blue max halberstadt dii. boy would that be nice to have an eduard halbie with the oeffag type quality. i wish eduard would give up on the stupid migs and 190/109 stuff. they must have forgotten what put them on the map ww1 kits.
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Nice start, looks good so far.
Cheers
Pete.
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its not a fair comparison in a way because the blue max kit is short run older technology and the eduard is their best kit they ever made after they refined their equipement 2-3 times. the first generation eduard is on par with blue max kits mold wise. that said i own most of the blue max and old eduard stuff, some types there simply isnt another 1/48 kit of that type. i remember 2 years ago eduard taled about making a halberstadt dv which is very similar the the blue max halberstadt dii. boy would that be nice to have an eduard halbie with the oeffag type quality. i wish eduard would give up on the stupid migs and 190/109 stuff. they must have forgotten what put them on the map ww1 kits.
Correct, the comparison is not fair..
I do not like neither nowadays ED market strategy and fed up with endless new vs, of 109/190 etc as well as colored PE have not got my approval. The color are…inappropriate and not able to match them with rest of interiors part to keep same shape & color outlook.
K
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Correct, the comparison is not fair..
I do not like neither nowadays ED market strategy and fed up with endless new vs, of 109/190 etc as well as colored PE have not got my approval. The color are…inappropriate and not able to match them with rest of interiors part to keep same shape & color outlook.
K
I'm with you on this, Krzysiek. I will not even visit their website anymore. If they will no longer produce WWI kits, they are dead to me.
Cheers,
Bud
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Little progress.. I have closed the BM fuselage. It was hard, but I have managed accompanied with putty. The top engine cover was replaced by ED part, now looks better. I have added resin front engine cover but the folding was poor.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_16.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_17.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_18.JPG)
In the meantime I started ED fuselage. I have replaced the part behind the pilot seat preparing my own frame.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_19.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_20.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_21.JPG)
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Krzysiek,
She's looking good my friend. Excellent job on the interior.I'm looking forward to the next update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Excellent attention to detail in the cockpit.
Cheers,
Chris
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Love the cockpit, excellent work so far.
Cheers
Pete.
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Thats a nice, tidy representation of the cockpit and a very clean build all round so far.
Steve
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Thank you for support!
The space behind the engine will be clearly visible when engine cover is off, so made another frame out of the piece of cardboard, strengthened by stiff colorless nail polish
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_24.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_25.JPG)
Mr. Surfacer unveiled all parts which have to be polished more precisely.
And a little guess, which one is BM and ED?
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_26.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_27.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_30.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_31.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_29.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_28.JPG)
After making further amendments could have applied color primers, on which I would like to do imitations of plywood. And there came the turn of the parts made of sheet metal.
I thought that fist layer would be alu and afterwards gray finish would be final color. In the case of no. 2 Kosciuszko, the front engine cover became blue.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_32.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_33.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_34.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_35.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_36.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_37.JPG)
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These two are looking good and building up nicely Krzysiek ;)
Andrew
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Krztsiek,
Great works to date my friend. Which one is which? Anyway I'm looking forward to your next update. No doubts it will be another great one too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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You're doing a fantastic job on both of these kits, Krzysiek. With all the additional work you've put into them, it's hard to tell one from the other. If it weren't for the 2 curved lines on each side of the nose on the Eduard kit, I wouldn't be able to tell at all. The Blue Max kit looks great and holds up well against the Ed kit. I'm really enjoying this project and look forward to more.
Cheers,
Bud
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beautiful work, I ditto the above comments.
Keith
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Hello...project is still alive..
Imitation of plywood was made. All was enhanced by oil color giving each segment a different hue. I am going to use the dry pigments for final outcome...small steps have been made.
to be continued..
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_38.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_39.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_40.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_41.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_42.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_43.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_44.JPG)
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Beautiful decal and paint work, Krzysiek. Glad to see you're still working on this one.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice
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Well done!!!
Steve
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Very nice woodwork! Looking great!
Andrew
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Krzysiek,
Outstanding works my friend. Normally I'm not a big fan of wood grain decals,but I do have to admit yours efforts are excellent.Looking forward to your next update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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It looks like real plywood to me, so I'd say you hit the mark.
Cheers,
Chris
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Thanks for support! I must admit that these swirl decals effectively deceive the eye. I have put the top sheet dividing it into two parts. They were seated neatly with just a little help of SOL. I have put the no. 2 afterwards but a bit of disappointment occurred as the decal became well visible. I have come up an idea how to eliminate that disadvantage and give some realism to replica, but more on that later.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_49.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_50.JPG)
The upper wing of the second bird was shaded and waits for imitation of painting. Just wondering if those shades are too sharp…but the paint layers should calm down the final view…
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_45.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_46.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_47.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_48.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_51.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/Albatros_DIII_52.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_53.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_54.JPG)
regards
K
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Krzysiek,
Outstanding work on your Swirl decaling my friend. I must admit though it makes my eyes want to cross if I look at it too long. Might it be possible to overlay the two with a second numeral two?Excellent pre- shading on the second wing as well. I'm looking forward to seeing more of this project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Very nice. The swirl camo is awesome.
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Speaking of props..in order to perform wood grain I have implemented AIZU tape and enhanced the outcome by oil paints. As the last the gloss varnish is going to be spayed.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_55.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_56.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_57.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_58.JPG)
I have encountered the enormous difficulties with polish checker on upper wings…the decals were so thin an visible that I had to risk and prepare the mask on swirls..:( Those decals have been well protected previously but I am always afraid on doing anything on decals)
I have decided to limit the contact layer to minimum and used AIZU once again.
The checkers were surrounded by AIZU and rest of risky areas covered by some paper sheets. The outcome is satisfactory :P
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_59.JPG)
Same will be prepared for second wing part
As I did not have any additional decals with no.2, a layer of white dry pigment+akryl pactra+water has been done several times.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_60.JPG)
regards
k
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It's looking good, Krzysiek. Have you thought about leaving the swirls showing through the "2"? It's not unusual for darker colours to show through white paint and your last shot looks like a hand-painted squadron number.
Dal.
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As we can see no. on the fuselage was made without shinning through, the paint is dense and visible ...I do not know the implementation technique on lozenge...maybe some photos could help.
Nevertheless still working on DIII.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/Oeffag_5.jpg)
BM came forward as a priority.
2 aircrafts under construction on small single desk that is too much for me :P
Current situation behind the lines looks as follows:
- upper wing finished and ready for assembly.
- I have finished the rudder using the same method as above i.e. some weakening of Tamiya mask glue and careful implementation on decals.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_66.jpg)
-self made turnbuckles. These are the thinnest I can perform, there are about 20 of them.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_67.JPG)
- the fuselage is done in general…,
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_64.JPG)
- now I am doing the lower wings. I have made mixture of 5 colors of paint for linen imitation and looks ok for me
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_62.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_61.JPG)
and day light
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_65.JPG)
so doing little steps whole parts assemly is comming inevitably..
to be continued..
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Excellent progress so far Krzysiek, your fuselage wood looks great and the colours you are using for the linen is perfect, especially in day light, keep up the good work.
Des.
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Krzysiek I made Eduards Oeffag D.II from the same 7th squadron, but with different painting, white 8. Whole fuselage was green and upper surfaces of wings was also green. Only ruder has swirls and I was afraid to paint checkers with masks and I just put decal with it on swirls decals and I had the same problem :P like you have with 2 on upper surface of the wing but I give up. You are more courageous than I am. :-\
Adam.
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Very nice work!
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Krzysiek,
Your linen colour is very impressive, what colours did you use and from what paint line? Nice looking build and the "sworl" camo is really an eye catcher.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thank you guys,
what colours did you use and from what paint line?
I have used Humbrol & Revell mixture, give you no. later on when get back home. For sure there we yellow as a base, red, grey, blue and white...
regards
K
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so let the story go on..
The lower wings has been finished
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_68.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_69.JPG)
I have added some details just to make it look better
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_70.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_71.JPG)
and it's time to mount the wings to the fuselage. I opted for the solution used by albatro experts. First top wing has been installed and then I'm going to fit the lower wing, which have a slight lift.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_72.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_73.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_74.JPG)
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Hello guys,
Here you have the biplane as he stands on his own. Geometry is essentially preserved. All done without any complex auxiliary tolls just eyes and some glances from different angles.
So left to do: spoked wheels, fuselage wear, windscreen, small corrections and finito.
I can now confidently say that this is my most difficult model.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_75.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_76.JPG)
regards
K
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It is looking very nice. :)
Adam
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Very cool!!
Steve
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The last piece of the puzzle that appears in this thread are the wheels that offered by manufacturers. Since the BM is a little fattish compared to his younger brother, producer decided to keep the symmetry of the whole structure and tires seems to be pumped too much. Fortunatelly Part set was matched successfully and the whole waiting for final assembly.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_77.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_78.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_79.JPG)
regards
K
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Beautiful work, K. She's turning out to be a stunning model.
Cheers,
Bud
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The Albi task is not finished yet!
BM is finished but ED still under construction
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIIIW_1.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIIIW_2.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIIIW_7.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIIIW_3.JPG)
regards
K
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Woodwork is outanding I'm waiting for rest.
Adam.
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Very cool looking woodwork!
Cheers,
Chris
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Beautiful work on the shading and excellent application of the Uschi decals, K. The color of the wood is perfect. Outstanding work all around.
Cheers,
Bud
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You have some mad skills! Attaching the top wing first is a novel approach. I may give that a try myself.
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Thanks guys for the support ;)
Hey Rob, this top wing first approach is not my property ;D I have read sb advice and it sounded fair. It is really worth of doing
regards
K
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Hello KrzysiekK:
Your Albatros really turned out fantastic. I like that version, the swirls, the Polish markings all make for an intersting scheme. Your shading, attention to detail and craftsmanship are truly outstanding. I wish this version of the Albatros was available in 1/32nd.
Best
Mark
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..the second bird has already bacame biplane. The whole assemble and positioning action went a lot better than with BM. Eduarrd is well-placed and both pyramid and V columns easily arranged in their places. Rigging is done (I have to improve my mental state taking some fokker kit in the nearest future). Some few details left for finishing the whole project, which constitutes some obstacle for me as the pressure to finish the project is literally unbearable. The main shortcomings are the undercarriage and the exoust pipes.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_80.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_81.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_82.JPG)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/AlbatrosDIII_83.JPG)
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Very nice, K! The shading is brilliant.
Cheers,
Bud
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Very nice and I like your "Fokker therapy" idea!!!
Steve
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K. fantastic work on both the planes, I look forward to seeing the two lined one beside the other!
Bravo!!!!
Antonio
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K. fantastic work on both the planes, I look forward to seeing the two lined one beside the other!
Bravo!!!!
Antonio
Exactly!!
Andrew