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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Andi Little on January 05, 2014, 10:37:52 PM
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Well lads, I've been really patient with the Morane build - very grown-up and waited till it was finished before starting my next project.
I have though been giving great thought to my next one - it would be so easy to get carried away and jump into a project that was going to provide too many opportunities for a disastrous stall [so nearly last time].
No, I kept a weather eye on the board and it seemed that the little Pup was regularly praised as a kit and a build. I was also taken with a couple of pic's I'd seen of a diorama setting: Upon a launch platform [page 21 of the instructions] and also of the RNAS pilot officer in jacket and boots. I hadn't coped that well with photo-etch in the Morane kit {Special Hobby} but have been tempted by a couple of upgrade sets ... I'll see how I manage this time, and whether I think they're worth the expense and effort???
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/P1010805_zps1fd86e8d.jpg)
Here's a pic' of the necessary in question ... and if you know anything of me now? You'll know this is a declaration of intent and that I'm committed to this project till the bitter end - although I'm hoping for a much pleasanter time of it?
As soon as I have pic's of a worthwhile update - they'll appear somewhere hereabouts!!
Cheers all........................
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Hi Andi
My RNAS Pup nearly hit the bin a couple of times. Aside from my own lack of skills, the main cause of my intense frustration was the difficulty I had in trying to close her up. The issue, as I kind of worked out and found confirmed on this forum, is some of the PE - essentially the brackets for the internal bracing wires, must not be glued on the outside of the frame!!!!!! The WNM tolerances are so low that it is close to impossible to close the beast if one does so.....
After much use of glue, filing, scapping etc I through the whole mess in a box and went on to soemthing else... I later dug it out and realised that there's essentially 2 planes in the kit, so I started again building 'Betty' (I was doing the Beardmore ship base done initially), stripping out the PE brackets and trying to tidy up the mess I'm made to the cockpit (little of which can be seen to be honest........and I'm in the process of buckling her up.
I really like the figure you chose - i was just looking at it now on the MDC site - very dashing....
cheers
FF
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Thanks, that right there is a fantastic piece of "forewarned forearmed"! Really VERY many thanks, I'd noticed on the HGW blurb that they expected you to position these on the outside of the frame ... and I must admit I'd experienced a certain degree of "pucker" though this probably because I was shallow enough to be miffed that after shelling out for them you were going to hide them away. I know that's not the right or puritanical way, but in this instance it might of saved me a lot of frustration. Thanks FF for jumping in with the "heads up" [did I say that right]?
And Yes, it is the HMS Furious/HMS Repulse: beardmore built aircraft - Option F in the destructions
Here's a thought! ............... just so you know who's making all this noise and fuss, and so's you can put a face to a name.......
How do you do all.............
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Me-opt_zpsc92a967d.jpg)
Cheers all.................
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Good choice Andi. I built mine OOB and followed the build log Des has posted on the main sight, and had few problems. It was much easier than the SH Morane you just completed. Just make sure you keep the outside of the cockpit frame clear of paint and other obstructions so that it will fit inside the cockpit. I sanded the outsides lightly, along with the contact areas between the fuselage and the bottom wing. The other thing to be careful of are the elevators--on the sprue the bottom of the elevators faces up like the top of the wing on the sprue, which can be a little confusing to those of us who Inge ahead without carefully identifying the actual part numbers in the directions, ahem. ??? I glued mine on upside down (sides reversed) which made installing the elevator horns far more difficult. If you follow the directions carefully you will be fine. Just make sure you can see the little slots for the horns facing upwards. Enjoy!
Regards,
Bob
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Great choice on the build, Andi. You're really going to enjoy it.
Oh, and thanks for posting the pic. Nice to put a face to the name.
Good luck,
Lindsay
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I will enjoy following your build, Andi. The Pup is near the top of my to-do
list and it will be great to watch how it's done. Nice to see you, by the way!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Very good choice of subject Andi, the Pup is a lovely little aeroplane and the kit is very good, not perfect but good. If you have a look at my build log on my website you will see that I have made note of the fit issue with the bottom wing to the fuselage, I don't know if Wingnuts corrected this problem since I have built my kit but it may be worth looking at. http://www.ww1aircraftmodels.com/page13.html
As with all the early WnW kits tolerances are very tight, keep all paint off mating surfaces and be sure to dry fit before adding any glue, doing this will ensure a trouble free build. I'm sure you are going to enjoy your latest build, it is a great kit with plenty of detail and with the accessories you have purchased it will make it a very special Pup.
Des.
Thanks for the mug shot Andi, nice to see you :) :)
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Andi,
Everything Des said as cautions and more. It's a wonderful Kit but the tolerances are unmerciful. Take your time and read the sequence of the instructions carefully, and above all else, ENJOY!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Andi:
Yes, ditto to all that has been written. I enjoyed my build of it and hope to do another one. Nice photo, thanks for sending it along. I alos refer to the "Featured Modeler" site to scope out the photo's of the modelers as well. Makes it more personal.
Best wishes and best of luck with this kit. You will enjoy it.
Mark
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First update then...............
I've been having a bit of a play, started by religiously following the destructions ... and folk are right, you do have to pay particular attention, although every bit of information that you need is there.
I'm sure you've seen these processes pass across these hallowed pages so many times before by now ... but never the less here's my tentative version. Everything in this pic' is of a standard nature, no innovative techniques or anything of a revolutionary nature.
A pretty basic coat of an acrylic base colour followed by an oil wash teased into looking like grain (sort of)!
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-1_zps4047c50c.jpg)
I felt I could of made a better job of the dashboard and the seat, I had a couple of disasters on both these so what you see is a pretty messy recovery. I chose to call a halt to trying to make it better and decided to "never" make those mistakes again - (we'll see)? Having said that the mistakes that I made on the Morane Saulnier have stood me in good stead, and I think this build looks to be that touch better at this same stage?
Now then ........ that there photo' etch!! I'm not so sure I'll be rushing out to buy a fortunes worth of upgrade sets for a while. I sort of kind of don't get on with it to large degree, and I'm not so sure (in this instance) it makes so much of an amazing difference. I'm reserving judgement on the seat belts as yet but some of the other stuff seems a bit too fiddly and not all that necessary ... but then of course I barely know what I'm doing.
Cheers all.........
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Andi,
Your interior looks great to me! Thanks for sharing your update. I am looking forward to your progress!!
RAGIII
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Looks splendid Andi! ;D Excellent work so far. I agree on much of the photo-etch. I just don't get along well with much of it. As for seatbelts, I really prefer the HGW stuff. I think it drapes and lays much more naturally than the metal. I've even taken to slicing up masking tape and adding the etched buckles in some cases, which looks just fine to me.
Keep up the fine work!
Regards,
Bob
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I think it looks excellent as well.
Watch out for the paint on those parts of the frame that join together.... I think even layers of oil paint can throw out the width of the cockpit somewhat, making it a very tight fit when closing up the fuslage.
cheers
FF
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That is some sweet work Andi. I'm looking forward to see how well the HGW PE set works out. I have the Pup too and I've been on the fence about buying the PE. What're your thoughts on it?
Mark
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Bravo Andi! It looks a great start to me.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Great start Andi, nice looking interior, I agree about the PE, I never seem to have much luck using it, as you say a lot of it is far too small and fiddly.
Cheers
Pete.
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Outstanding start on the innards, Andi. Your wood grain looks fantastic.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hello Andi:
It all looks pretty good from where I sit at my computer terminal, I'd say you're off to a pretty darn good start. I like the figure as well. Where did you acquire him?
Looking forward to more as you progress.
Best
Mark
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I am hanging on your every word as my next project will be a Pup. I will
be very interested in your final thoughts re the PE. I'm up in the air on that
one. Your progress so far is looking terrific. I really like the wood work and
your interior rigging. Well done, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Well done Andi, what you have achieved so far looks really good, BTW, I hate PE and avoid it as much as possible.
Des.
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Very nice Pup interior in the making, Andi. Keep it up! You are on the good way to build a great model.
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Very many thanks all - I appreciate the encouragement ... a lot!
So, an addendum rather than an update, but I have the little horror together now. And it's like it's made from spun sugar ... I'm terrified of it. I hold it so gently for fear of crushing it that nine times out of ten I drop it anyway causing all manner of injuries!
................It's not what I see on here? But I do believe I'm making headway building these yur' airyplanes ... although I think most of the applause should go to the kit - it makes me look good! ??
Pic's then ...........................
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-5_zps380ed19a.jpg)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-2_zpse70bcbdc.jpg)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-4_zps50a23f34.jpg)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-3_zpsca4a339a.jpg)
For those that may be unfamiliar with my posts (we're talking an idiot abroad here) that little steel block is an old apprentices "test piece" and it measures 1"x1ΒΌ" ... if only for a size reference? ... (25x32mm in round metric figures) 10mm or 3/8's thick.
Now then ................... the question of the Photo etch?
One must understand that this is just how I found it, and that these opinions are simply mine own: and in no way should reflect on any product or manufacturer.
But, I'm not impressed. They're fussy, they're fiddly - I'm at a loss to see how they choose what bits to detail, and largely they seem to make little impact on the overall "look" of a component part. YES!! I know there are bits that work beautifully, and that some are going to look really impressive but these to my mind make up such a small part of the "fret" that I simply chose not to use most of it - and in some cases was actually "unable" to use it. I would suggest that if your sight is compromised, or your fingers have lost their dexterous quality ... then I'm afraid like me you might be welcoming a world of frustration onto your bench.
Again this might just be me? - But the WNW's kits although fantastic do represent quite an investment, the A/M-etch is not cheap by any means, and I might just be struggling to justify the additional expense - I could certainly spend those pennies elsewhere about my hobby and see more for my money.
These are pretty hard edged reasons {and perhaps making me sound a bit Scrooge like) but if you want a simple perhaps more emotive reason .................. I didn't enjoy the experience at all, just a bit frustrating and not a little disappointing.
Of course your mileage may vary - but I shall study any upgrade frets in the future and be quite hard in my decision making - I want a go at the thread bare lozenge decals, as I do the wood grain ones ... and one can't just chuck money at a kit for ever as I have this little philosophical devil that sits on my shoulder chanting into my ear that ever contentious dichotomy .................
"Are you a modeller? Or an assembler?" ..............
Laters everyone...............
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Andi,
I generally agree with your comments on Photo Etch. It's expensive ,"fiddly", and very difficult to work with. The smaller parts for me develop into an "eye test" and manual dexterity challenge I usually come in last at. It's greatest fault IMHO is the two dimensional nature of it; I find it less frustrating and more satisfying to scratch build the part then to try to add three dimensional "depth" to it. There are exceptions of course however I find I use it less with every consecutive Build to the point of nearly not at all at this point.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Andi, great 'pit you have here :)
As for PE, it has its place IMHO but some of the extras for WNW kits add little. Take for example, the pulley assemblies seen through the inspection panels in the Sopwith Pup and Tripe wings. No doubt the PE will make a very delicate pulley that may be just a little easier to paint in component form tan the kit moldings, but the kit moldings are good enough, with careful painting, to model this part of the aircraft anyway - especially when you need to remove the molded parts. That is the bit I don't like about PE, I would damage the model more during the molding removal than the gain from using the PE.
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Andi, you done wonderfully with the cockpit. Beautiful work. I really like the
honey coloured woodwork. Great job on the instrument panel.
Out of curiosity, how solid are the Cabane struts? I've never done a Pup or
Tripe and have always wondered. Silly question, but I've always been nervous
about singular struts. :-[
As for the PE...I appreciate you input. Lots of food for thought. Truthfully, I am
still on the fence on that one. I've used them in most of my builds but like you mentioned,
I've never used all from the fret. The two dimensional aspect is a pain, for sure, but can often
be improved on. Whether they are "worth it", depends...some of them are pretty expensive.
I guess it's a beauty is in eye of the beholder situation.
It's an enjoyable build Andi and I'm looking forward to the next updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello Andi:
I think your 'pit is coming along nicely and looks outstanding the way you have it. I too like the honey toned wood grain you have achieved. (I am still working on that one). I agree with you about the PE. I find the fret that WNW supplies more than satisfies my needs. I have popped for some aftermarket stuff, only to find I use very little of it as it is just too fiddly. Even the cooling jackets for the Spandau's in the WNW kits I find fiddly and sometimes I just use the alternate Spandau rather than frustrate myself with the PE. Sometimes it works, other times it doesn't. Overall I think it comes down to modeling basics, fill the seams, good paint, clean assembly, some weathering, (something I am struggling with) and it looks good. Assembler or builder? It is a hobby and it is supposed to be fun, and I am keeping it fun in my part of the frigid, arctic, snowy, "Great" upper Midwest. This forum and the hobby keeps me sane during this time of the year; "The Dead of Winter". Notice there is never a "Dead of Summer"? Oh well, I digress.
The struts are a pretty sturdy assembly, just require a little care, but fairly robust. It is a great kit.
Looking forward to more Andi.
Best
Mark
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Hello Andi,
Very nice work on the interior, nice woodcolor and wonderful instrument panel. Bracing very well done. So this is a great start!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Gentlemen................
Not so much an update, more of a request for an opinion based on the boards collective wisdom?
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-6_zps66609175.jpg)
As can be seen I have the cockpit now buttoned up inside the fuselage: Just a smidge of vanity filler along top and bottom seams - I'm sure it will end up being micron thin once sanded down but experience dictates that nano-measurements become painfully visible once you've committed yourself to a coat of paint.
Thanks to sharing of information on the board I seem to got away with minimum fettling of cockpit floor in order to stop it fouling the wing saddle. And just a touch of "schmoozing" to get a nice clean "sit" for the cockpit coaming etc.
I've just given those oval panels on the nose a little bit of work to make them "stand out" just a touch more, I don't trust my ability to not bury them in paint otherwise.
And!! there's the crux of this matter: and my request for advise. Would it be better to button all these panels up and then mask and paint - or paint separately and then assemble. My natural "MO" (in this instance) would have me fit all these panels and then paint in order to minimise the ingress of paint to the finished interior.
Perhaps this a silly question, ........but I've learnt if nothing else, that most everything I know seems to count for little!!
Would appreciate your thoughts cheps!
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Hi Andi,
Most of the cockpit cowlings of the Sopwith Tripe were painted seperately (see the build logs) so I guess that it would be better for the Pup too. Your closing looks very good and neat, I'm sure this will be a great build!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Andi, fwiw I had good luck painting the panels separately. All the usual caveats regarding no paint on joining surface apply. One thing that tripped me up, though that you might want to watch out for. I tried to get pretty and assemble panels out of order. End result? Heartache and pain. I learned a good lesson to always follow Wingnut's order of operations.
Regardless of what you do, I'm looking forward to seeing how it turns out.
Lindsay
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Andi,
Like Lindsay I painted first, then assembled on this and the Tripe, which is near identical in this area. Just be sure you have the fit you want before painting and watch the edges, it'll work just fine!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Andi
Pre-painting (and weathering) also worked well for me on 'Betty'.
cheers
FF
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I would paint the panels and cowlings separately. This takes away any issues with masking for the different paint and effects on what would be metal parts up against the canvas. I try and paint before assembly wherever I can.
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Hi Andi;
I built the RFC Pup yonks ago and as far as I remember I did the panels separately, also the same when I build the DV and DVa's so it would appear as the others have said that this seems to be the way to go, just go careful when you mask over the interior.
Good luck.
Cheers
Pete.
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Thanks for your input chaps - I appreciate it and decided to go with the collective wisdom. Just goes to show, that's one more example where I would of happily strayed from the beaten path!!
A little bit like I've done here? .........................
This is something I've done on previous builds [non-aircraft] and wondered if it would make the transition? I know this is all old hat to you guys, but I'm kind of on the ragged edge here ... and absolutely nothing does as its told: or works out the way it should!!!!...............
First piccie then...................
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-7_zpsa2f063ba.jpg)
Primed with Halfords best grey primer [an auto store acrylic for those not residing in blighty] ... mixed up some colour that looked vaguely woody and then masked off the inside timber work.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-8_zps37ff805d.jpg)
The tape and colour goes over the top just for reasons of "keeping things all lined up", I then blew over the majority of the fuselage with my CDL colour "Lifecolours pale stone", I chose this because I wanted a less "creamy" look to this aircraft and thought the colder blue tone would represent the extensive weathering and the maritime nature of the aircraft?
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-9_zps7263261e.jpg)
I know - I know? I is pencilled all over it - I'm sure I saw something like this round these here parts, regardless - it stuck with me as a pretty nifty idea, although probably wasted on me as I was already getting a build up of paint and these lines are more embossed than drawn!
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-10_zpseab788d8.jpg)
A bit rough and ready, and I'm a bit down cast as my paint has spat bits of clag all over the job. It's all sitting like a layer of cream cheese and I keep gouging lumps out of it with my nails ........ But having said that! .... I really like the effect. Rather than the lightness of the canvas as is usually depicted I really rather enjoy the colour of the timber frame showing through: same with the wires. I'm hoping [guessing], that as the build progresses this will just sink into the background of the build and and become a means of endorsing the kind of heavy wet weathering I'm hoping to achieve - I do have the RFC version which I will probably do a cleaner sweeter version of at some point.
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-11_zps8178d6da.jpg)
Here's a better look at the job. I've removed all the tape - "that was a nightmare" even though I pre-stuck all the tape to the bench and my forehead it was still a bit too sticky to come off without causing some sort of chaos!! grrr!
Anyhoo, smoothed out the "snots" in my paintwork - "highly technical number one finger"! I painted the little hatch thingy, but YET AGAIN that Tamiya paint was just a pain to use, I've stripped it off and a coat of Mister Metalcote looks much better - so far!
I hate the colour of the Aluminium nose panels by the way - and have yet to decide what to do with them - used the Flat Aluminium XF16 you see, logic, and lack of experience said that was the way to go - NOT!! It just looked for the world like a supermarket shelf toy... ugh!
Tried dulling it down with "metallic grey XF56" it took the brightness down alright but the mica or flake is still way too coarse to my taste. ........................ Curses!
Anyhoo ................ that's where I is, and I'm sure I'll stagger forwards with the build, but I can't shake off the feeling that I'm always going to be crashing along the edge of disaster, at least for a little while yet?
Laters.....................
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Brilliant! The effect of the wood and wire see through looks terrific!
RAGIII
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Hello Andi:
I think the penciled wires is billiant! This really looks nice, and I like the wood tone of the ribs showing ever so slightly through the "canvas". I like it a lot, adds a lot of interest to the model and the scheme is a nice alternative to the PC10! I did something similar to the DVII using a sharpie to draw in the delicate framework vice using the preshading. Turned out well. I will definately experiment with your idea as you've demonstrated here on my build. I think once you get the markings on it and a final dullcote, it will really be the 'bees knees'.
You have certainly overcome some challenges with paint. I hate brushing Tamiya acrylics. I like air brushing but for brushing you can't beat Humbrol. Sadly there is only source of Humbrol near where I live and that is in St. Paul!! I digress. Looking forward to seeing your next update!
Best
Mark
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Hi Andi,
I agree with Rick. Truly magnificent. I haven't seen this before. Great job Andi!
Kind regards
Patrick
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What a great idea with the pencil wires. Thanks for sharing it with us, Andi.
Best wishes
Nigel
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That fuselage looks sweet, Andi! ;D Very nicely done, and a neat technique.
Cheers,
Bob
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Wow, Andi, that was a lot of mumbling and grumbling about what turned out to be a great effect! I think it looks great!
Lindsay
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Wow, Andi, that was a lot of mumbling and grumbling about what turned out to be a great effect! I think it looks great!
Lindsay
Yeah, Andi. Wot he said.
Cheers,
Bud
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Geez Andi, you are creating a stunner! Your paint work is spectacular! Thanks for the
great idea about the pencil lines. It turned out perfect. Looking forward to the next
updates, and more helpful tips. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Looks great from here!! Nice effect and your colours look good. Looking forward to the next update!
Steve
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I like the penciled lines also. Thanks for the tip.
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I really like the effect you've achieved with the masking and pencil work, Andi. I agree with Mark, once the markings are added and you've done the final overcoat it will really come together. Nice work!
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking absolutely great :) How do you did those "pencilled lines" - you just draw them with a pencil? Seems to easy for such excellent result :)
Regarding the metal cowlings - Tamiya XF16 (is this the correct number) have too big particles and really looks bad. You should try something else - Alclad II over black gloss for example or Mr Colour's SM (super metallic) series. With those paints (especially alclad) the parts really look like made from metal. Bertl was showing his great way of representing metal cowlings in his Pfalz DIIIa topic over at the GWITA forum.
Best regards,
Sasho
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I like the use of pencil and subtle shading, Andi ;)
Well done!
Keep those updates rolling!
VB
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Andi,
Outstanding project my friend. Your shading and pencil line rigging is excellent.Looking forward to seeing more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hey Cheps! ..............
You all have been so terribly kind, and don't think it goes unappreciated, however my attempts they do flatter to deceive: and thankfully most all of you will never see them in the flesh!?
I've been firkling away, making a muck-up of those nose panels (pic's to follow soon), but to give mine head a bit of a rest? Thought I'd make a start on the engine - some rest that turned out to be. Most everything I'd been made aware of came to pass - as in the push-rods do stand proud of the cylinders, as do the copper intakes fall short of the heads by a half a millimetre or so.
Of course absolutely non of this can be seen once the cowl goes on ... so I decided to wire the spark plugs - bliddy idiot!
No, truth be told I wanted to have a play and see if I could do it - knowing full well if I jiggered it up completely it was going to be largely hidden ................. it went rather well actually, although it took mine eyes a few days to recover.
Here you go then ............. nothing that hasn't been seen before. But it is my own dashing attempt ................
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-12_zps9221bae2.jpg)
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-13_zps31e4d7b5.jpg)
What do you reckon to my groovy engine stand - bought a packet of craft sticks (I think they're tongue depressors really) and finally found a use for one of 'em!
Oh! ps ................... I had to turn up a new crankshaft for this as I think the carpet monster ate the original - or the dog!!!
The chief suspect .......................
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Comfy-Gus_zps2ec353c0.jpg)
See ya'.........................
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Andi,
I think your engine work is great. I believe the key to modelling an engine well (assuming the basic assembly is done well, which you have done) is in the painting. Your photos indicate that you have used different tones here and there, and the shading of the cooling fins on the cylinders as well give great contrast. Last, you've obviously put some extra effort on the copper manifold pipes, they are outstanding.
I thought I had the only Dog in the free world that uses a pillow as does a human, apparently not! Nice dog you have and a nice Pup on the way! ;)
Cheers,
Lance
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Andi, you are definitely too modest! I think the engine look superb. I particularly like
the manifold pipes. What colour did you use to paint them? They look great. As Lance
mentioned, the staining etc. on the cylinders is first rate. Keep this up and you will have
a show-stopper! By the way, I like the big Pup as well. ;) ;D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Andi,
Great engine you produced and the presentation is top too. What a lovely doggy you have! Keep up the great work my friend.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello again.............
A quick post for Ernie and anyone else who is curious? I can't help but feel as though I'm teaching my granny to suck eggs by explaining how I did things on these pages, but seeing as I've been asked!
I learnt quickly that a lot of what I'm familiar with won't make the transition into this genre or scale, and I find I'm second guessing a lot of the time - eg, the overscale flake of XF16 aluminium (thanks Red Baron for your PM on this). My local hobby shop crashed and burned a couple of years ago now and it's not so easy to source new paints and colours on a whim. I do however have probably the best one day show on my doorstep (East Mid's @ Hinckley-UK) So this is where I do a lot of my shopping: although they still don't have everything I'd want or have been recommended.
Anyhoo ... I digress, I'm still wary of experimenting for fear of cocking stuff up (check out the cockpit of the Morane I stuck together - it still hurts) but I am more able to judge what it is I'm looking for and how to achieve it with materials to hand now?
A couple of engine pic's for illustrative purposes..................
(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Sopwith%20Pup/Pup-14_zps01890372.jpg)
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Unfortunately it's a grim old day here today so I'm forced to use flash and it has bounced - somewhat bleaching the colours I'm trying to show - but with a bit of squinting you might see it?
What is worth pointing out is the really shortfall in the intake-manifold to head union - it's a good half mil' shy.
The manifolds themselves ... it's an old, and a bit obscure colour from "Citadel" paints "Tin Bitz" a games workshop colour with a dopy name. But, it actually is a very good paint amongst some bad ones "Boltgun metal is another good one. They have a very tiny flake and apply very well.
The Tin Bitz is actually more of a warm bronze, perfect for a patinated copper, using Alclad "brass I've painted a line across the seam for accent and then dusted a little around the broad inboard end of the manifold, to take the yellow off this I've then dusted a further "Mr metal - Iron" over that ... this has provided the "bounce" and it looks softer in the flesh: curse this macro enlargement.
When I'm a bit further along I shall give it a coat of castor oil for effect and this should help to pick out the detail a bit more and give the whole thing more depth??
More soon hopefully .......................
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Nice looking engine, Very well done!
RAGIII
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It's already looking good Andi and I really appreciate you telling us how you have achieved things. I may have tinkered around for years, but I'm always learning things from this great forum. This is one "granny" who wants to learn new ways to suck eggs!
Best wishes
Nigel
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That engine looks like heated metal to me, Andi! There was an earlier thread where Bo or Justin listed some Citadel metallics that worked well, and you have ablely demonstrated this. :D. The manifold color is very convincing, and to my eye as good as I've seen. ;D. Very nice ideed. Thanks for sharing this.
Regards,
Bob
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Just catching up. Splendid work so far Andi, both interior and engine are awesome.
Cheers
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It`s a nice engine Andi.
Martin
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Andi, the pre-shading on the fuselage has worked out brilliantly, mate. Very nicely done. I really like the colours you used on the engine, you've really captured the "burnt brown" look on the manifolds.
Yer doing great work, mate.
Dal.
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Looking really good Andi, the engine is excellent and the shading on the fuselage is brilliant, you probably saw the pencil idea when I built my scratch built Bleriot, I used it on the fuselage.
Des.
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Great looking work. Inspirational!!!
Steve
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Here you go then? ..................
Another bit of an update. You must be gentle with me though as I'm desperately trying to come to terms with this whole "weathering" malarkey. She is no Hanger queen - not by a long chalk. And with her maritime nature, awkward maintenance and a proclivity for going for a swim!! Well, I thought she might just not be looking her best.
I've tried to be rational about it - fuelling on a rolling ship must lead to spillage, as much on the seaman as the aircraft - vis-a-vis plenty of muck and staining down that port side cowling, again plenty of muck and spillage where the pilot climbs aboard and a lot of that oil and fuel is making its way along those bottom fuselage longerons too? Some areas receive a bit of an absent minded wipe down so the cowling and rear deck is subject to a bit of a clean and even wear or bleaching.
It all looks decidely mucky up front but I've tried to pre-empt the wing going on and making it all a bit darker under there??
Anyhoo - forgive me my sins ... but here she is so far .....................................
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NO unifying Matt coat yet ... I'm still a bit gun-shy about that. It's going to have to be done, but I'm nervous as a kitten knowing the amount of handling that's needed to wrestle this puppy to a finish.
More as it happens ..................... good or bad!
Seez-ya!
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I think that looks fantastic Andi.
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She is looking superb Andi, wow! For me the weathering is about perfect. She looks as if she had a hard time, very convincing. Well done!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Beautiful weathering work Andi. I'm a great fan of the weathered and worn look and you've nailed it!
Cheers,
Lance
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This looks so convincing Andi. Well done!
Best wishes
Nigel
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Looks brilliant, Andi - Well done!!
vb ;)
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Excellent and inspiring work. You've nailed the look of a ship worn and weary bird. Dont worry about the next steps re matte coat, your abilities will carry you thru.
Steve
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Hi Andi, unless you need to apply a coating to seal in the weathering, I would leave it as is. Your weathering to me looks just right and very realistic indeed.
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A very good build, go on Andi.
Martin
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Hello Andi:
I really like the look of this as you are progressing. The weathering is very convincing and hardly overdone, nicely done. I like the combination of CDL and the green back to it as well. Your effort with the drawn on internal rigging is also convincing and adds interest to the fuselage. Outstanding and looking forward to more.
Best
Mark
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Your weathering is beautifully done Andi, she really looks like a well worn little Pup and is very realistic.
Des.
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Fantastic paintwork, Andi. Looking forward to see more!
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Excellent finish Andi. I love it!!! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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That's brilliant, Andy. I was thinking of doing "ANZAC" for my RNAS Pup, but I think I'll be doing this scheme- once I get to that Pup.
Lovely stuff, mate.
Dal.
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Looks bang on to me, Andi. Great job!
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Andi,
Absolutely Stunning work! Your Weathering and the overall finish is FANTASTIC!
RAGIII
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Andi, I can't add much other than my admiration for your talents. She's a superb
Pup and your weathering treatment seems to me, perfect. Well done, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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An interim "catch-up" rather than an update. This then my first real foray into the methodology of painting these fabric covered wings (the Morane more of a "sling paint at it and see what happens" kind of project).
Here I've sprayed the whole in my choice of CDL ... Life colour pale stone, masked off the ribs with 1.5mm strips and a gentle shot of pale stone plus a lick of French Matt blue. Then masked off the front and rear spars and with a darker mix I've ran along all maskings with a pretty strong tone.
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On the left, or lower wing I've removed all the tape, and on the right (upper wing) I've just taken off the tape for the leading spar. The elevators of the tailplane give you an idea of the initial colour, and the main part that bit darker to accommodate the lack of internal depth and close proximity of the two canvas skins.
The plan is now to give the whole a unifying mist of the original pale stone (CDL) and when dry will scumble with an oil paint mix of Ochres and Sienna's ala the fuselage - and eventually some oil stains and perhaps even brine residues?
More when I've got it sorted.
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Outstanding work Andi! Very effective. I am looking forward to your Staining work with the oils!
RAGIII
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Arrrrrgh! ................................
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A rather chaotic shot I'll agree ............. but really to illustrate a minor catastrophe. Whilst rigging the cabane struts, and although looking forward to it after my successes with the Morane? I was having a devil of a time, constantly losing the end of me thread - brass ferules disappearing into the abyss, indeed after much ado I finally finished, and then noticed how slack the port side was!!! "Now what" thinks I ............... whilst struggling with said rigging I had somehow caught the darn thing on the bench or my jumper - who knows? but that leading right hand strut was completely broken at its root.
I practiced my Anglo-Saxon at length (I'm now quite fluent) realised I was going to be fighting against the very tension I'd just instilled into the assembly, decided against pinning the joint for fear of getting it all plobbletopid and ugly, but then noticed it had broken with a kind of ball and socket effect ... I wonder if there had been a slight "flow" fault in the styrene?
Anyhoo - with a bit of cement and with the wing holding things in station, and to take what is quite some weight over the repair.
I can report that 24hours later it is a strong joint with nary a mismatch to worry about - "phew".
I do think with the wing to hold things together later on, and a tickle of paint, it should be an invisible mend and no one will know the difference..................
Apart from all you lot like!!!
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Well, great that you have repaired the strut.
However, I cannot at all understand, why have you started with the upper wing?
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"Smiling" ................
"Prez" ............... I've not! The wing is placed over the struts in order to locate everything in its correct place, and to take the weights - it isn't cemented.
As soon as I'm confident the broken joint is fully strong enough - I'll take the upper wing off and proceed as normal.
Sorry if that put the wind up you .... I thought I'd explained it?
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Absolutely clear now! ;)
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Hello Andi,
Sorry to hear that you've gone trough all this trouble. The cabane struts are really painful for almost everybody. I think it was Nigel who said that WnW should do the struts in metal. Is it common to do the rigging of the cabane struts before both wings are installed? In my current build I fixed the eyelets and tubes, but didn't tension them yet.
Anyway as you say, all these problems will not be seen when finished and your build is still gorgeous my friend.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Thanks Patrick .................. I've actually broke the dang thing again!! So they're both wearing splints till it's time to put the top wing on.
Anyway, without much further ado ... proof positive that I'm still chipping away at this build - I know it's slow ... bear with me?
But here it is looking a bit more purposeful now - main wing is just posed with fuselage balancing atop, but I wanted to show the "bleaching/weathering" effect I've been after and see if it passes muster? A bit more work on the fuselage with weathering and staining to pull things together a bit better - Actually I quite like it, although suspect it's hardly prototypical?
So here you go then, a start on the build assembly, with just a touch of rigging.........................
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Hopefully not too long a time before I can manage another update? - But don't hold me to that of course ..............
Cheers chaps................
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She is just looking gorgeous Andi. The color is beautiful, your weathering outstanding. This is going to be a top build. No hurry needed. You are doing a great job!
Kind regards
Patrick
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The CDL and weathering on the fuselage looks perfect, very well done Andi.
Des.
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Despite the troubles with the Cabanes Andi, the Pup is looking absolutely
amazing! Your weathering is superb without being too much. I'm looking
forward to the next updates. Great job, my friend.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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That looks fantastic Andi
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That "bleaching/weathering" effect is outstanding work Andi. Coming along in spectacular fashion!
Cheers,
Lance
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Please don't rush on our account, Andi. She's shaping up brilliantly. Your weathering and shading are truly masterful.
Cheers,
Bud
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A very well work until now, Andi.
Martin
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Man, that filthy linen is 100% convincing. Well done, Andi!
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Please don't rush on our account, Andi. She's shaping up brilliantly. Your weathering and shading are truly masterful.
Cheers,
Bud
I agree with my Amigo 150% I love the weathering effects!
RAGIII
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Andi,
just to repeat what I said on the phone earlier, really outstanding work. I think the paintwork on the ribbing is so convincing, with the right backdrop it could easily pass for the real thing.
Mind you, a WW1 battleship in 1/32 would be a very challenging project !
Will be popping in from time to time to see the progress, looking forward to it.
All the best,
Steve.
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Just catching up. Youre doing an amazing job on this Pup. The weathering is spot on!!
Steve
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Hi all.................
As promised a further update ... not as quickly as I'd hoped (life'n'stuff) but here now!
Without much ado then.................
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I have her shoes and socks on - plus her whirly bit. Some final modelling and paint around the wing root to hopefully tie them together.
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Annnd the other side for evenness sake............same again - bit of fidlin' with the paint and stuff.
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Back round again for a squarer shot in order to see how all that rough stuff along the fuselage now hopefully marries into the other parts of the aircraft?
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On her nose in order to see where she has rather embarrassingly dribbled - in the destructions there's an upended aircraft which is decidedly filthy in this department - so I was encouraged to really go for this!!
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And a miraculous flyby -(No top wing etc) - just for the effect?
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Annnnd she's gone!
Just working up the courage now to tackle the top wing and it's associated demons - oh! and of course those couple of frighteningly tiny runs of wire between the bottom wing and the undercarriage legs - every fibre in my body is telling me to walk away from those!!!!
And I know I have to paint the rear of the propeller boss too - it, like the wheels are just posed at the minute.
Feel free to mutter ............ until next time ...............
Soon-ish - hopefully.
Cheers cheps!
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Andi, this is one of the best Pups I've ever seen! Beautiful finish and weathering.
Don't sweat the top wing too much--it goes on pretty easy.
Outstanding work here, my friend!
Cheers,
Bob
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Great mucky Pup!!!
Steve
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What a super piece of work, Andi. Very convincing.
Best wishes
Nigel
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An exellent work Andi.
Martin
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Outstanding work Andi. This aircraft seems to have suffered a lot! Very convincing. And I simply love the propeller. Great work!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Absolutely gorgeous Andi; you've really done a most impressive job on this one. Great detail, beautiful paintwork, and incredibly realistic weathering.
Cheers,
Lance
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Andi, I can't say enough about how absolutely STUNNING your work is on this one!!
RAGIII
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Hello Andi:
WOW! Outstanding workmanship all around. As has been mentioned, don't sweat the upper wing, it goes on quite well. I used EZ line for those pesky rigging wires between the wing and the undercarriage. Worked well for me. Just a little stretch, some super glue, accelerator, and viola!
This is inspiring work Andi. Looking forward to seeing the rest of the build log and seeing her do a "FlyBy" fully winged! ;)
Best
Mark
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It looks great Andi, and you know how to take a decent photo or two. well done!
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All of the above comments and some!
Well done, Andi - she looks real dirty ;)
vB
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Andi, your Pup looks absolutely stunning! Your paintwork has me in awe.
I fear my poor heart won't handle the next update. ;) ;D
I wish I had your talents, my friend. Beautifully done.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great weathering, it looks fantastic.
As far as those tiny runs of wire, the Snipe has the same thing but even tinier from the looks of it. I managed them without any major disasters so I think you should be fine with these.
Great build so far, I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of it.
Tom