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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: aviator01 on November 04, 2013, 09:54:16 PM
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Hi friends,
after finishing my Albie I'm going to think about the next project. It's the reboxed Eduard F.2B Fighter. I got this one as birthday gift from my best friend.
Looking through the sprues and the manual there are quite a lot of tiny parts, looks like a complex build with lots of rigging. So I should do a careful planning before starting the build. Yet I'm not sure of which version I will go, included are two British versions. As usual Revell didn't include PE parts. Maybe I should seek for them?
greetings ro
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I've been very tempted by this one, but a bit concerned about having to hang the bottom wing. I shall watch with interest.
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Hi,
I finished this model just a month or two ago and it is wonderfull and I had a lot of fun building it. The PE fret (I build the Eduard's profipack) adds mainly to the gun (or the turret it is standing on actually - not sure whats the english word), the wickan seat and the belts. The rest of the parts you can easily go without. Not bad addition, but definately not mandatory - its your choice. Otherwise the main downfall is that the engine is quite basic and there was a nasty step between the two fuselage halves that required some additional puttying and sanding. Build wonderfulyl otherwise :) I'm sure you will enjoy it
best regards,
Sasho
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Looking forward to seeing your work on this one!
RAGIII
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Hi Aviator. Great choice from you.
I'll sure be watching it.
Cheers
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Hello Aviator,
The best of luck with your new project. I will vcertainly follow your build and progress.
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello Aviator and let's hope its a welcome to the Brisfit appreciation society.
Cimmerian I saw your concerns about having to hang the bottom wing. If this is a re-issue of the Eduard kit, then it's reasonably straightforward and sturdy. Certainly more so than the Roden equivalent.
Bst wishes
Nigel
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Hi guys,
thank you all for stopping by and all of your comments.
@Sasho: Thanks for your details about the PE set, I think I go for it, the seat is pretty basic, through Eduard's site it's not available, maybe Ebay …
@Nigel and Cimmerian: Yes, it's a re-issue of the Eduard kit (the sprues show Eduard), so I hope it will work with the wings. Anyway there are a lot of struts and the size compared to the Albie is quite different.
I started today with painting some parts of the cockpit and fuselage halves, pics will follow.
greetings ro
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Hello Aviator and let's hope its a welcome to the Brisfit appreciation society.
Cimmerian I saw your concerns about having to hang the bottom wing. If this is a re-issue of the Eduard kit, then it's reasonably straightforward and sturdy. Certainly more so than the Roden equivalent.
Bst wishes
Nigel
Thanks for that, I do like straightforward. I knew it was the Eduard re-issue and I like the Bristol Fighter even more. I guess I'll be taking the plunge soon as the wife seems to have decided I need it for Christmas. I can't bring myself to argue with her. ;D
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Great choice of subject Aviator, it's so good to see another 1:48 scale being built and I look forward to seeing your first progress photos.
Des.
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I'm really looking forward to this build, Ro. The Biff is one of my all time favorite aircraft. As far as I can recall, Eduard has never made a separate pe set for this kit. However, Part of Poland has a set that was designed for the Roden kit. http://www.jadarhobby.pl/part-s48133-bristol-f2b-fighter-pe-148-p-8367.html I have it and it's seems to be okay. It's easily adaptable to the Eduard kit. If you only want a wicker seat and a Scarff ring, Lone Star Models produces a very fine resin wicker seat which I highly recommend. Mike doesn't show them on his site, but if you send him an email, he'll make them for you at under $10 for a pair. The Scarff rings can be acquired from Tom's Model Works or from Fred Hultberg of Fotocut.
Cheers,
Bud
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@Bud: Thank you very much for these informations, now I understand why I couldn't find the PE set through Eduard's website. Instead I ordered the wicker seats from Mike West and he will send them. :D
And as if my stash is not full enough I also ordered a second F.2B (it's the one with no 1288, crocodile decals) which contains the mentioned PE set. Unfortunately I don't have much time at the moment for for building …
greetings ro
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Hi friends,
I got some work on the cockpit done. There are a lot of details and everything together it looks quite busy inside. I'm still waiting for the wicker seat from Lone Star Models (they are on their way). Eduard's seat together with the PE parts turned out okay and is also an option. Two things to mention, the control stick looks like post WWI (?), the seatbelts are four point straps (also post WWI?). In the end, after closing the fuselage halves only a little bit will be seen …
One question to the experts, what about that window in the cockpit floor, do all the F.2B's had them and what for?
Now some pics of the cockpit in progress.
greetings ro
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Gorgeous looking interior, Ro! The stick is correct for the war time Biff. All period photos I've seen show this kind of control column.
Cheers,
Bud
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A very nice start Ro. Looking at my own Brisfit you may end up being surprised just how much you can see into the cockpit when finished, not least because the gunner's position is so close behind. Besides, the skill with which you have put things together deserves to be shown off.
I'm no expert but I would have guessed that the glazed panel in the floor assists the pilot in landing.
Best wishes
Nigel
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You have done a great job with the interior Ro, the wood looks excellent.
Des.
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Very nice interior. Looking really good.
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Very nice looking interior for sure.
Cheers
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Great job of the interior, Ro. This is going to be an amazing model.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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nice work so far on your brisfit. this is a really good kit. it is sorta the same analogy of the eduard vs roden fokker d.vii. the eduard is nicely detailed and easier to build. the bottom wing is easy compared to roden as roden has all individual parts that dont lock in like the eduard. but the roden has much more detail in the engine/engine compartment area. good luck on your build and i will come watch now and then.
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Hi Ro,
Very fine interior. You are up to a great model!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hello Ro
As you are making this excellent progress you are fast approaching what for me was one of the key areas of construction: attaching the lower wing to the fuselage. As Albatros has said, the relevant Eduard parts click very nicely and securely into place. However, you may need to watch the undercarriage struts in relation to the lower wing. It is definitely nothing major, just some judicious sanding. I needed to file a little groove in the rear of the front struts and also very slightly enlarge the holes where the rear struts pass through the wing. As ever, lots of dry-fitting is the key.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Your interior looks fantastic! The wood framing is excellent.
RAGIII
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That is VERY neat ;) Love it . . . Good work man 8)
All the best
DAVE
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Hi there,
thank you all for the positive comments, this means a lot to me. Today I joined the fuselage halves, was a little bit fiddly as there were inside a lot of parts which had to be carefully aligned. Then the fit was very good, still have to take care about the seam lines. Pics will follow, to much work at the moment …
@Nigel: Thank you so much for the tips and hints about attaching the lower wing and the fuselage. I will take care and do a lot of dry-fitting.
Cheers, ro
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Hi to all,
just a quick update. The fuselage halves are glued together followed by some sanding. Next were attaching the struts to the underwing. Today I started drilling all the holes in the fuselage and wings. I couldn't resist to try the decals supplied by Revell's re-boxing. With some Micro Sol and Set they performed very nice. Yes, it's only slow progress …
Kind regards,
ro
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Hi to all,
I moved forward with the build of my F.2B, but very slowly. Painting was done with Tamiya acrylics and my trusty H&S airbrush. Followed by a coat of Klear I started decaling the fuselage. Thank you for stopping by,
Kind regards, ro
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Beautiful job with your painting and decal application, your shading looks superb, extremely well done Ro.
Des.
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Beautiful job with your painting and decal application, your shading looks superb, extremely well done Ro.
Des.
My thoughts, exactly, Ro! Brilliant.
Cheers,
Bud
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That's looking really nice. I'm wanting one of these more and more.
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RO,
Having recently completed a 1:32 version of this I can really appreciate the detail and beautiful paint work you've done here. Your shading and bringing out of the frame members is superb and the airbrush shading of the various fabric panels brings it all together very nicely. Well done! 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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The Brisfit is coming along splendidly, RO! Your paint treatments
of the fuselage is masterful. The shading effects are in my estimation
near perfect. I am anxious to follow the balance of the build.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Magnificent shading and painting RO. A wonderful build!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Hi to all of you,
thanks for all the positive answers, it means a lot to me and keep me going to continue the build. Yesterday, as I took the pics, my wife called me for a moment. I left the bench and two minutes later came back to found this :-\ :
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There was to much heat from the light bulbs (correct term?) and it started to burn right through the fuselage. I never had that before, so what to do? Filling, sanding and repaint only this area or would you start again with the whole fuselage? Any help would be nice. Thanks for looking.
Best regards, ro
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Hi RO,
So sorry to see that my friend what a pitty! There are more qualified modelers than me to tell you what you can do about it, but I am sure there will be a solution for the problem. Good luck.
Kind regards
Patrick
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I really feel for you - all that work (and excellent product as a result) and then this! I fear to recommend anything as trying to restore this with filler could be a real problem. Would masking the front and rear of the top along the white stripes and then trying filler be a possibility? The biggest problem would be matching the green when you repaint? I would certainly try before giving up as you have put in so much time and effort that it would be a real shame to give it up.
Whatever you do, I wish you luck and know that you will eventually produce a mini-masterpiece.
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Hi ro;
Such a shame about your mishap, about the only thing I could suggest is going with lone modellers suggestion, good luck.
Cheers
Pete.
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Hi Ro
These things can happen and we've probably all had our experience of them. What I'm not too clear about is the length of the damage. How far does it extend towards the tail?
The thing is not to get too disheartened. There is no easy solution, but what I think you need to remember is that this has been a fantastic build so far and you have achieved so much. With that in mind, the first thing I'd do is to step away from it for a day or two and then do as you say and fill, sand, reprint as a first option. As LM has said it might not be easy, particularly in matching up the green exactly. But you have two things working for you. First, if the white bands confine the damaged area they provide a natural boundary along the top surface avoiding adjacent greens. If the damage extends significantly towards the tail, you have a nice broad, flat area with vertical sides to play with. The second point is that if the most extensive damage is more localised immediately aft of the first stripe, then, even if you're acutely aware that it's there, the viewer is likely to focus on the Lewis gun which will also at least partially conceal things.
Should the restorative work not work out as you want, you at least then have the options of purchasing another or pouring your heart out to Revell and seeing if they would offer you some replacement spruces. Some of the big manufacturers can be hearteningly generous.
Best of luck with this.
Best wishes
Nigel
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Maybe draping the observer's coat or a tarp over it.
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Ro, from what I could make out the damage is restricted to the area between
the leading stripe and the next following "rib" light green, both of which don't
seem to be affected. I think you should be able to mask these areas and then
do the sanding, filling and repainting as needed. I don't think it would be too
hard for you with your talent to match the base colour and shading. I'm sure
it will work out for you. My best wishes for such.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Ro, from what I could make out the damage is restricted to the area between
the leading stripe and the next following "rib" light green, both of which don't
seem to be affected. I think you should be able to mask these areas and then
do the sanding, filling and repainting as needed. I don't think it would be too
hard for you with your talent to match the base colour and shading. I'm sure
it will work out for you. My best wishes for such.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
I agree that if the damage is redtricted to the "Bad" area we can see you should be able to fill, sand , mask and repaint just the damaged area. The ultimate solution is of course, your choice. It is a shame as your paintwork is beautiful!
/RAGIII
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Hi guys,
many thanks to all of your help and great ideas. Such a friendly and informative forum.
You were right as the damage was only between the whit stripes. I started with sanding the area and filled the holes with CA followed by some shots of CA Kicker. Re-Sanded, masked the area and tried to get the right colors. I think it's okay now, if you look close the area is still visible.
Thanks again for all of your advices.
Best regards, ro
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Very good repair, Ro. The CA worked a treat. The re-painting is quite
close, a little couple of shades lighter which may be the lighting. It's up
to you whether you want to try to get it closer, but to me you have done
a really good job of the fix. Well done, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Well done Ro!
Best wishes
Nigel
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I was late to advice you, but you have done a great repair! I think I would go for the same solution, only that I am not sure I would achieve the same good effect.
And generally - it is a fine build all around. Very fine painting. I am looking forward to see more.
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Outstanding recovery work Ro, "you got talent" for sure! 8) I'll be following the completion phase with interest.
Cheers,
Lance
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Outstanding recovery work Ro, "you got talent" for sure! 8) I'll be following the completion phase with interest.
Cheers,
Lance
What he said plus 1!
RAGIII
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Go, Ro, go! You da man! Brilliant repair. Thank you for not giving up.
Cheers,
Bud
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Hi Ro,
This is an excellent recovery which shows that you are a great modeler. Many congratulations!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Good job Ro.
Adam.
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Good enough for the girls I go with!
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Hi Ro,
This is an excellent recovery which shows that you are a great modeler. Many congratulations!
Kind regards
Patrick
I agree with Patrick.
Great work Ro!
Ciao
Antonio
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Great recovery Ro, well done mate.
Cheers
Pete.
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Great Recovery RO: It is what I would have recommended. When you give the model a final dull coat, you can put a drop of Sand color or something similar, and help blend the area in. I think it turned out real well, plus you didn't bugger up any of the decals.
Best
Mark
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Great repair, well done!
Cheers
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Hi friends,
thank you all for the help, tips and positive replies. At first moment I had the idea to put it away and take another model from the stash, after all your advices it was clear to keep on with this one. That was a very nice experience keeping on due to the forum.
I continued working on the tail and get a start on rigging. The pics are only taken by smartphone, after the accident I have to think about the lighting during the photo sessions.
greetings ro
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I am glad you were inspired to continue, I have been in the same position many times! Your tail rigging looks great!
RAGIII
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The tail and rigging looks great, Ro. Your shading and decaling
are first rate. Good progress. :D
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Very nice work on the tail Ro, excellent rigging. Wonderful job!
Kind regards
Patrick
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Ro, I am so pleased that you did not give up - you have made a first class repair that a blind man would like to see. It reflects you very high levels of skill that you have done such a good job: it matches the rest of the model which is also of a very high standard.
It is good to know that there is such a supportive network on fellow modellers on this site - they can be inspirational in very many ways.
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Nice and clean!
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I'm glad you didn't give up the model because it's quite astonishing what you did so far. It will be a very beautiful model superbly done.
Cheers
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Hello RO:
Glad to see that you are going to continue on the model. That being written, I am looking forward to seeing you progress through this build.
Best
Mark
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Hi friends,
last days I was able to get some progress on the Bristol done. The fuselage is nearly finished, still have to do the weapon parts for the rear gunner. Then I worked on the tail skid and finished some rigging on the tail. The underwing was placed on the struts followed by the landing gear which not fitted right, one of the legs broke due to the tension. I think the problem are the struts which were not 100% aligned. In the end it's okay but I could have done better. Hopefully there are not to many problems when placing the upperwing. The wheels are only dry fitted and still have to get some weathering.
Thanks for stopping by.
Best regards, ro
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Hello RO. Isn't this coming on a treat, notwithstanding the problems you mention with the landing gear?
It was only when I flicked back through the thread that I remembered the accident affecting the upper rear fuselage and it's testimony to the quality of your repair that there's no sign of it.
It may seem daft but I got a great thrill when I had the lower wing secured to the fuselage by those four little struts. If you've got that alignment right then it will make upper wing placement immeasurably easier. Take your time and have your favourite tipple near at hand. Boringly, in a country of great wines and only a couple of hours from the town of Cognac, I settled for a cup of Earl Grey tea!
Bonne chance and best wishes
Nigel
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Hello RO. Isn't this coming on a treat, notwithstanding the problems you mention with the landing gear?
It was only when I flicked back through the thread that I remembered the accident affecting the upper rear fuselage and it's testimony to the quality of your repair that there's no sign of it.
It may seem daft but I got a great thrill when I had the lower wing secured to the fuselage by those four little struts. If you've got that alignment right then it will make upper wing placement immeasurably easier. Take your time and have your favourite tipple near at hand. Boringly, in a country of great wines and only a couple of hours from the town of Cognac, I settled for a cup of Earl Grey tea!
Bonne chance and best wishes
Nigel
What he said doubled! I am a Black and Tan Man Myself......
RAGIII
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The Brisfit is looking wonderful, Ro! You really have an amazing model
in the works. Great job on the tail skid. It looks perfect. Despite the
undercarriage troubles, you are excelling. I am anxious to see the next
updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)