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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: mc65 on October 29, 2013, 10:14:56 AM

Title: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on October 29, 2013, 10:14:56 AM
hi all!

here I am again, to a feeble attempt to make watchable the roden kit dedicated to nieuport 24bis, which I would like to build as one of the horses of nungesser...
7891(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_7891_zpscae898a1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_7891_zpscae898a1.jpg.html)

so far only sniffed the box, and looked here and there in the cockpit and engine ... I would not like going into too much detail, here I am more interested to play with the painting, completely silver.
7892(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_7892_zpsbc6534c2.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_7892_zpsbc6534c2.jpg.html)

nevertheless, I have already changed (improved?) something. added some detail (tom's modelwork) to the cockpit, and modified engine and hood.
8013(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8013_zps3a0243cb.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8013_zps3a0243cb.jpg.html)

8014(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8014_zpsc24f9fe1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8014_zpsc24f9fe1.jpg.html)

8018(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8018_zpsf18edc95.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8018_zpsf18edc95.jpg.html)

8022(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8022_zpsf29d1e4f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8022_zpsf29d1e4f.jpg.html)

8019(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8019_zps71f82159.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8019_zps71f82159.jpg.html)

8026(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8026_zpsf7a79a6c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8026_zpsf7a79a6c.jpg.html)

see you at the next, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on October 29, 2013, 11:53:11 AM
Great start on the Nieuport, Paolo, my friend.  The interior is looking
really good.  Nice job on the seat and cushion.  With your talents, Paolo,
it will end up a perfect model.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on October 29, 2013, 01:09:26 PM
Great choice of subject Paolo, and with the addition of Toms modelworks bits this will, with your talents, end up as a really nice model, I;m looking forward to seeing your next updates.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on October 30, 2013, 02:06:50 AM
Excellent start, Paulo, and brilliant choice of subject.  You've chosen my favorite Nieuport scheme.
(http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af342/coyotemagic_photos/nieuport%2025%20project/DSC00302.jpg)
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Jacek on October 30, 2013, 02:24:22 AM
Beautiful job on the cockpit !
I observe further.
Jacek
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on October 30, 2013, 02:26:57 AM
  Paulo,
You're off to one excellent start my friend.Outstanding work on the P.E too. I'm very much looking forward to seeing more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette


P.S. Feeble attempt my eye.I've got a feeling she'll be one awesome Nieuport my friend.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on October 30, 2013, 05:23:41 AM
Very fine start on the interior Paolo. I think she's going to be great!

Kind regards

Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: lcarroll on October 30, 2013, 05:43:59 AM
   Very nice start Paulo, I'm looking forward to following this beauty, nice to see a French subject as well.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: rhallinger on October 30, 2013, 06:31:40 AM
Great choice Paolo!  I plan to do this one also, so I'll be watching closely. 

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Gisbod on October 30, 2013, 07:26:43 AM

Great start Paolo..

I'm impressed you've got the engine up and running already!  :D

Guy
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on October 30, 2013, 08:54:51 AM
As all of the others have said, terrific start! I hjave this kit in the stash so I will follow yours closely!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Zabu on October 30, 2013, 11:01:37 AM
Hi paulo.

Great start indeed.

Cheers
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on October 31, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
thank you all, indeed I didn't do too much, yet...

I started spraying some colors on the interiors just to get them ready to close the fuselage, but I'm seriously doubtful about the colors to be used on the metallic frame and the controls of the cockpit! any ideas?

assuming that the canvas was painted in silver just outside of the kite, I painted the interiors in radome tan, to be worked on , obviously.
8104(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8104_zps9ce7c3be.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8104_zps9ce7c3be.jpg.html)

and then played a little with alclads..
8106(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8106_zps90744b7a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8106_zps90744b7a.jpg.html)

now it's time to work on with brushes to differentiate the various parts and materials involved.
8107(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8107_zps54a31b5e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8107_zps54a31b5e.jpg.html)

and here the frame.... pink? apple green? ???
8108(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8108_zps9afb0e18.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8108_zps9afb0e18.jpg.html)

bye bye and thanks again for your attention and appreciation, I'm very sorry that I'm a little absent on other discussions, it's an hard time here, and being somewhat upset, I find difficult to write liberally... but I keep on reading! ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on October 31, 2013, 10:44:38 PM
Looking really nice Paolo. Painting is super. Well done.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 01, 2013, 12:26:26 AM
Looking great so far! Once you have the formers and stringers painted it should look awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: pepperman42 on November 01, 2013, 05:31:39 AM
Nice work so far and Im with Bud- my favourite scheme!!

Steve
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 01, 2013, 07:02:19 AM
thank you, gents...

here a little upgrading. actually, I have such a number of concerns on this model, it would take an encyclopedia dedicated to unravel a bit the hank ... but pull ahead .

I got to the testing of the cockpit with dry components almost completed as preventive painting.
8126(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8126_zps9457afe3.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8126_zps9457afe3.jpg.html)


the front side of the fire wall with oil tank (I think) ...
8131(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8131_zpsd40b2c15.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8131_zpsd40b2c15.jpg.html)

and the engine with sparks & ignition on .
8129(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8129_zps0b9f4ded.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8129_zps0b9f4ded.jpg.html)

all wasted work , since will be buried within the nacelle, but that we want to do ' .... is stronger than me!
8137(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8137_zpsecf3d261.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8137_zpsecf3d261.jpg.html)

and here's what we'll see in the fuselage closed ...
8133(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8133_zps8ef98704.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8133_zps8ef98704.jpg.html)

whereas there will be some instruments (which I have to invent ) I would say that it's okay ..
8135(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8135_zpsb3a7fe49.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8135_zpsb3a7fe49.jpg.html)

but , for example, the shoulder straps , where they stick ?
8136(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8136_zpsa146f8f7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8136_zpsa146f8f7.jpg.html)

doubts, doubts...
greetings, p. ::)

ciau , p .
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 01, 2013, 10:49:39 AM
WOW! Quick and Impressive work! Love the cushion and engine!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 01, 2013, 10:57:16 AM
Looking better and better Paolo!  Great job on the cockpit!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Rob Hart on November 01, 2013, 10:18:31 PM
Excellent work. The coiled ignition leads are a nice touch. Were these aircraft equipped with shoulder straps?
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mgunns on November 02, 2013, 12:10:02 PM
Hello Paolo:

Inspiring work considering this kit is not one of Rodens best.  You are doing a fanstastic job on and I will be looking forward to your next update.  I like your work on the engine, the plug wires are really neat with the little curly cues.  I think the seat belts were just lap belts that attached at the floor and then up and over the sides of the seat.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 02, 2013, 06:03:43 PM
I'm pretty sure Mark is correct, the seat belt was just a lap belt. The cockpit looks very neat as does the engine.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 02, 2013, 06:51:04 PM
Paolo I like your cockpit and seat very much as wel as the engine. Very fine modelling!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 02, 2013, 07:18:32 PM
Lovely cockpit and engine Paolo and I really like how you've captured them through the photographs.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 02, 2013, 10:03:10 PM
Nice engine. I like your anvil, too ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Jacek on November 03, 2013, 01:36:49 AM
Nice engine and the cockpit.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 03, 2013, 02:56:18 PM
eh eh, bo... that's my resident anvil! ;D ;D ;D

well, thank you all very much, ok, no shoulder harenss.

little upgrading, after long working at...
placed in front pillars and the fuselage touched up with all colors, ready to close the fuselage. so far nothing strange.
8150(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8150_zpscc29c940.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8150_zpscc29c940.jpg.html)

also prepared the prop into two tones + oil. I'm not convinced at all with the result ... I think tomorrow I'll started again from the primer on.
8153(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8153_zpsc413d91d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8153_zpsc413d91d.jpg.html)

added ball and altimeter, pure gyzmos...
8154(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8154_zpsd1a5d469.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8154_zpsd1a5d469.jpg.html)

also by gyzmo the home-made belts. now missing some wiring and tubes, but I'll put them when glued in the fuselage, so far it is too delicate to handle.
8158(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8158_zps37406700.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8158_zps37406700.jpg.html)

et voila, glued the fuselage halves. I drilled and placed copper and steel tubes where the wing will attach, so I hope to make this pairing solid and precise.
well, at least better than as is... :o
8161(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8161_zpscb0e2917.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8161_zpscb0e2917.jpg.html)

already having the drill in hand, I made the holes for the buckles, the carriage and the uprights. I hope I have not forgotten anyone...
8163(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8163_zps45ae78fb.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8163_zps45ae78fb.jpg.html)

and that's it for today...
cheers, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 03, 2013, 06:20:23 PM
Very nice work on the inside of the fuselage sides, the propeller looks excellent, you did a great job with it, and the rest of the build is looking super, well done so far.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 03, 2013, 08:20:16 PM
Very nice work on the inside of the fuselage sides, the propeller looks excellent, you did a great job with it, and the rest of the build is looking super, well done so far.

Des.

I agree 100% with Des! Very well done!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on November 03, 2013, 10:56:25 PM
  Paolo,
Absolutely beautiful work my friend. Now I want one!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 04, 2013, 02:08:00 AM
Brilliant work on the cockpit, Paulo!  I like the anvil, too.  Looks like it would be very useful.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Epeeman on November 04, 2013, 07:09:51 AM
Excellent work and progress, Paolo -

Your cockpit and engine are spot on.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 04, 2013, 06:36:36 PM
Your Nieuport is progressing beautifully, Paolo.  I'm anxious to see
more as you go along.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: bobs_buckles on November 04, 2013, 11:24:24 PM
Paolo,
Beautiful work - the prop looks amazing  ;)
Keep up the great work.

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 05, 2013, 10:41:32 AM
really, you're too kind...

in spite of the friend to whom I am building this kit has asked me to do it out of the box, I can not leave everything as it is, quite simply.
I needed the precise dimensions of lewis to close the fuselage, so I could not do anything but replace the original one with one of tom's modelworks:
8270(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8270_zps6aa0e1ae.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8270_zps6aa0e1ae.jpg.html)

after cooking on the fire the cooling jacket I rolled up on a drill bit, and prepared for some welding. quite easy.
8233(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8233_zps6cf51d31.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8233_zps6cf51d31.jpg.html)

as a barrel, and reference to assemble straight all the parts (21, at the end) I used a needle from external 0.5:
8230(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8230_zpse3548873.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8230_zpse3548873.jpg.html)

and here we are, now I have all dimensions I need to close the cowling top.
8251(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8251_zps2c91a830.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8251_zps2c91a830.jpg.html)

the conveyor belt is straight from the box... apart from that you see its quality, I wonder from where the belt came out!
8252(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8252_zps8d350373.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8252_zps8d350373.jpg.html)

8254(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8254_zps0a4d88b0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8254_zps0a4d88b0.jpg.html)

if the belt has no positive location, from under the gun comes out a pipe that flows here ... but what's the use?!?
8256(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8256_zps2c76be8f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8256_zps2c76be8f.jpg.html)

and now, before falling in love with the object in natural brass, a nice coat of primer...
8269(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8269_zps6053be0d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8269_zps6053be0d.jpg.html)

ok, there is something to touch up, but already it is better than the one from the box, I would say, even if it lacks the longitudinal ribs...
8267(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8267_zpsdda05757.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8267_zpsdda05757.jpg.html)

and here the objective of the session, close the front part of the fuselage .. really small, uh??
8278(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8278_zps46ff20ab.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8278_zps46ff20ab.jpg.html)

bye bye, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 05, 2013, 04:57:22 PM
Amazing work on the gun, Paolo! Your attention to detail is great.
I am enjoying the build more all the time.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 05, 2013, 05:22:38 PM
This is high class medeling Paolo. Your details are so good! Lovely.

Kind regazrds
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 06, 2013, 02:48:14 AM
The Vickers looks fantastic, Paulo!  It adds even more visual interest to an already excellent model.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 06, 2013, 09:45:30 AM
The Vickers looks fantastic, Paulo!  It adds even more visual interest to an already excellent model.
Cheers,
Bud

What he said plus!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 07, 2013, 10:59:07 AM
thank you!

one step or two ahead... holed all around to accept brass pins,
8294(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8294_zpsffbbac1b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8294_zpsffbbac1b.jpg.html)

so it sounds pretty sturdy, and allows the repositioning of the control surfaces to a more relaxed attitude..
8289(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8289_zps43e22246.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8289_zps43e22246.jpg.html)

a quick dry fit,
8288(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8288_zps4cbb8cba.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8288_zps4cbb8cba.jpg.html)

and glued the lower wing.
8292(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8292_zpsc8e3b06a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8292_zpsc8e3b06a.jpg.html)

then primer all around,
8332(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8332_zps392a1017.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8332_zps392a1017.jpg.html)

and some alclad to the front cowling.
8337(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8337_zps5b182e81.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8337_zps5b182e81.jpg.html)

and some trials on paper...
8336(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8336_zps307d178b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8336_zps307d178b.jpg.html)


what I would achieve it's a canvas painted in silver, not a metallic finish. it seems that a preshading will help, but neither alclad nor vallejo steel seems the right stuff, to me... I think something more whitish should work... any ideas?

cheers, p. ;)

Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on November 07, 2013, 11:20:13 AM
  Paolo,
Great update my friend. She's shaping up to be one beautiful project. What shade of Alcad have you tried? I like the white aluminum shade for painted fabric areas on my projects finished in natural metal . If you can find it the Floquil "Old Silver" also works very well too. Keep up the outstanding work !
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 07, 2013, 01:57:01 PM
Wow! Great update!! I would go with a flat Aluminum with a minimal addition of grey mixed in. For fabric I used to add grey even to Floquil Old Silver. JMHO,
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 07, 2013, 08:54:26 PM
Paolo, for the fabric areas, I think I would go with Alclad Flat Aluminum
or White Aluminum. In the meantime, you are doing a wonderful job
on the Nieuport!

Cheers,
Ernie
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 07, 2013, 09:10:30 PM
Excellent updates Paolo and you did a brilliant job on the machine gun.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: rhallinger on November 07, 2013, 11:16:15 PM
Great work Paolo!  You've made it look much easier than I know it is with this kit, and easier than my Ni.27 was!  ;)  Very well done my friend!  I look forward to seeing her in full plumage.  :D

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 08, 2013, 12:13:04 AM
Hi Paolo,

It's becoming nicer and nicer. And you work so fast! Your details are briljant. Excellent log and pictures too.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 08, 2013, 03:40:01 AM
She's coming together beautifully, Paulo.  I used Tamiya flat aluminum for mine and it allowed the preshading to show through just fine.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Zabu on November 08, 2013, 05:18:22 AM
Wow... you're fast!

Your atention to detail and ability to get it done it's remarcable Paolo.

Very nive indeed.

Cheers
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 08, 2013, 10:25:52 AM
thank you all for the suggestions!

I tried flat and polished aluminium... now I'm going to search some white alu from alclad. rag, when you say that you add grey... wich type (brand, I mean) of grey is?

I must admit that I'm surprised by my speed on this project, but also I have to say that I'm not working, on these days, so plenty of free time (well, almost) and that I skip on some details I don't fully understand, on specific request of the friend to whom it will go at the end..

so, on these conditions, it's easy!

bye bye, p.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 08, 2013, 01:43:10 PM
thank you all for the suggestions!

I tried flat and polished aluminium... now I'm going to search some white alu from alclad. rag, when you say that you add grey... wich type (brand, I mean) of grey is?

I must admit that I'm surprised by my speed on this project, but also I have to say that I'm not working, on these days, so plenty of free time (well, almost) and that I skip on some details I don't fully understand, on specific request of the friend to whom it will go at the end..

so, on these conditions, it's easy!

bye bye, p.

I am not a scientific modeler so I keep things simple. If I am using Testors Model Masters Aluminum I add a Model Master grey. This would also go for Floquil Old Silver and a Floquil grey, etc., etc. IHTH,
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 12, 2013, 04:43:54 AM
aye aye, rag...
using alclads, I guess what I can mix with... but maybe the preshading work that I started todat will be enough...?

it's a long story of tape and greys, I just did the low part of the kite, I hope it will work!
8442(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8442_zpsae8e6914.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8442_zpsae8e6914.jpg.html)

8443(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8443_zpse99da0f6.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8443_zpse99da0f6.jpg.html)

8444(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8444_zps7b74d6a1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8444_zps7b74d6a1.jpg.html)

here some details. any suggestion?
8446(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8446_zpsa741ef7b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8446_zpsa741ef7b.jpg.html)

8447(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8447_zps696d93b6.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8447_zps696d93b6.jpg.html)

cheers, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 12, 2013, 04:52:07 AM
I'm not sure what you can mix Alclad colors with (besides other Alclad colors). Whatever you do, DON'T mix the Alclad with any of their sealer products -- the result is not pretty.

I would go with their semi-matte aluminum color for the silver dope areas, maybe add some of the other aluminum colors here and there for interest.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 12, 2013, 04:57:44 AM
Very nice Paolo!  Bo is right about the Alclads.  The good news is Alclad come in many shades
so you should be able to come up with the "just right" ones.  You are making great progress on the Nieuport.  They are such sweet little aeroplanes and your model is a perfect example, even in it's
as yet unfinished state.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mgunns on November 12, 2013, 08:16:22 AM
Hello Paolo:

Trying to shade the rib tapes with silvers is a tricky thing and much experimentation.  You are doing a great job on this difficult kit.  I am looking forward to see how you progress.  You may want to try some thinned Tamiya acrylics on a piece of scrap and see how that works out for you.  Lots of good advice here.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ronkootje on November 12, 2013, 08:43:09 AM
If you apply light misty coats and slowly build up the collor you should be ok with just the Alclad shades just dont cover it in one go but mist it on.

Regards Ron
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 12, 2013, 10:18:05 AM
The pre shading looks great and I think thr suggestion of misting on the Alclad is a good solution! Should look terrific. The other thing is that you can also get variance by using different clear finishes, ie Semi gloss, matte, and gloss.
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 14, 2013, 05:16:43 AM
thank you all, gents!

I'll do some trials before spraying on. waiting the courier with the alclad, I masked, painted, demasked, retouched, etc..
8463(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8463_zps98769b48.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8463_zps98769b48.jpg.html)

i tried also to preshade the fuselage..
8461(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8461_zpsd66abfe2.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8461_zpsd66abfe2.jpg.html)

and finished the base of the upper wing.
upper up,
8468(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8468_zps53d47811.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8468_zps53d47811.jpg.html)

upper down.
8467(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8467_zps191bf014.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8467_zps191bf014.jpg.html)

cheers, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 14, 2013, 05:45:09 AM
Exquisite pre-shading, Paulo.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 14, 2013, 06:01:36 AM
Stonking!
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: rhallinger on November 14, 2013, 06:15:03 AM
Gorgeous Paolo!  Nungesser would be pleased. ;D

Cheers,

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Zabu on November 14, 2013, 08:02:35 AM
Awesome!

Cheers
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 14, 2013, 09:06:37 AM
Wonderful work, Paolo! Very pleasing to the eye.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 14, 2013, 11:30:32 PM
Terrific work on the pre shading! The fuselage in particular!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 15, 2013, 08:06:20 AM
Excellent work on the shading Paolo, this is gong to be a very fine looking model.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Gisbod on November 15, 2013, 06:02:50 PM

Fabulous!

Seems a shame to put something on top of it.

Guy
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 16, 2013, 06:48:25 PM
Magnificent build Paolo. This is a beautiful plane. Congratulations!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mgunns on November 17, 2013, 12:22:38 PM
Hello Paolo:

The preshading on the fuselage looks just right in the pictures. If it looks like that on the model, I would leave it alone.  The rest should turn out quite nice as you have done an excellent job of preshading to represent depth and the contours.

Looking forward to more.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 19, 2013, 05:22:09 AM
here we are!

first of all, thank for all the help and encouragement. I hope to be at the level of your appreciation and models!

arrived the white alu, and having a free afternoon, I tried it on the low wing. seeming to me acceptable, I keep on going on all the kite.
I build it up the color with light passages, trying to be smooth, even and splash-free... obviously it didn't work at 100%, and now I keep it out from my eyes to have the necessary critical mind and fresh eye to judge it.

but you have not this limitation, so have a look and say me how it seems to you, please! :)

upper wing, underside.
8552(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8552_zps4fd8c62f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8552_zps4fd8c62f.jpg.html)

upper wing, up side. in the following pics you can see the difference that it's possible to have just tilting the wing in the light...
8554(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8554_zps086e0408.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8554_zps086e0408.jpg.html)
8555(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8555_zpsebe58f3a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8555_zpsebe58f3a.jpg.html)
8556(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8556_zps246e38b5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8556_zps246e38b5.jpg.html)

it seems to me that on the left tip and aileron is needed another light coat..
here on a white sheet:
8568(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8568_zpsba87fa17.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8568_zpsba87fa17.jpg.html)

I think that it will improve with a matt coat on... but for that it's better to wait after the decals, I suppose.
well, for tonight it's all, I think.

read you in the next days, bye! ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 19, 2013, 08:09:27 AM
The new paint and shading look fantastic, Paolo!  The Nieuport is really
starting to look itself with a coat like that.  Good work, my friend. :)

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 19, 2013, 10:37:35 AM
I think you are coming up with great results. You could quit where you are or.... I tend to be CONSERVATIVE so I would give the wings one more coat,
JMHO, You are the ultimate JUDGE!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 20, 2013, 04:44:36 AM
that's it, gents,
I gave another alu light mist coat, then a future's coat, and decals.
8629(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8629_zps0b27e13b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8629_zps0b27e13b.jpg.html)

now they are drying from a softner treatment, I hope they will lay on their spots!
8636(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8636_zps21cc1d74.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8636_zps21cc1d74.jpg.html)

then I'll give another coat of future, and finally I may try to correct the insignas.
8627(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8627_zps371b6da7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8627_zps371b6da7.jpg.html)

in fact, since they were for an academy kit (thank you again, LindsayT!) don't fit exactly the roden's wing. 
8630(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8630_zps0b3fac10.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8630_zps0b3fac10.jpg.html)

also, I was obliged to made a patchwork to obtain a nungesser's Nieuport... on the tail I used not less than eight decals, in a risky affair of layers over layers.
8624(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8624_zps8d7df418.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8624_zps8d7df418.jpg.html)
8625(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8625_zps3f719ac7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8625_zps3f719ac7.jpg.html)

well, now it's just a matter of waiting...
cheers, p. ;)

Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: rhallinger on November 20, 2013, 07:50:50 AM
Looks fantastic Paolo! Nungesser would climb right in.  ;). I love your silver finish.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 20, 2013, 10:03:11 AM
The Silver looks just about right, Paolo.  Very nicely done!  You have
made a great job of the decals...I know Academy's decals can really
be a trial to work with. You succeeded with flying colours, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 20, 2013, 10:09:26 AM
The decals look fantastic Paolo, and the silver finish and shading is superb.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 20, 2013, 02:10:56 PM
The final coat of Aluminum made your wings perfect, again IMHO! The decals make them look even better!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Adam on November 20, 2013, 11:16:14 PM
Your method of shading looks great, silver paint as well.

Adam.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 21, 2013, 07:42:54 AM
thank you al, gents!
today was the day... ready for a lot of pics?

we start as usual, from the beginning, nay, from the tail:
tweaking the colors, and then masking the decals in place, although protected by a film of the future, driven to those result...
8656(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8656_zps93bf6d6f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8656_zps93bf6d6f.jpg.html)

s**it happens ... brush, patience, and eye.
oh, well. I re-adjusted the adjustable and masked again for postshading.
8666(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8666_zps3237f3db.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8666_zps3237f3db.jpg.html)

and here we are.
8670(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8670_zpse50c02cf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8670_zpse50c02cf.jpg.html)

but, you will ask and wonder, also raising those tiny ribbons may weed out the color? the answer, my beautiful little fairies, is YES '.  :-\
8671(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8671_zpsf977f906.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8671_zpsf977f906.jpg.html)
but the model is suffering. ooooom.... where was the deep blue?




the bulk of the work was obviously not the tail, but the upper wing ... here it is. I'll put an uninterrupted and boring sequence of photos to explain, I hope you interest and can be useful.
first of all, after a future's coat, I masked all the wing and I reworked white, red and blue.
8661(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8661_zps5168fa8a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8661_zps5168fa8a.jpg.html)

and then I gave it another coat of clear matt. here it is, as expressive as nicholas cage... ::)
8664(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8664_zpsa8cccceb.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8664_zpsa8cccceb.jpg.html)

good. now in with tape, over and over again.
8665(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8665_zps65bbd981.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8665_zps65bbd981.jpg.html)

then I gave it a coat of raw umber oil paint very diluted. I'm just beginning experimenting with this technique, I find it may give very interesting results, using the airbrush with oils.
8676(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8676_zps840a52b5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8676_zps840a52b5.jpg.html)

here we are. mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh... too dark on white.
8678(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8678_zps6359e9f5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8678_zps6359e9f5.jpg.html)

correction.
8679(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8679_zps6bbbcb81.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8679_zps6bbbcb81.jpg.html)

zoom in.
8681(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8681_zps377e9a50.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8681_zps377e9a50.jpg.html)




tired?
I add a gallery of various photos, little things made taking advantage of the airbrush dirt...
a round of transparent blue at the base of the cylinders ...
8668(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8668_zpsa14dbff1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8668_zpsa14dbff1.jpg.html)

smoke and dirt on the belly, where the motor let the exaust out.
8672(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8672_zpsed83c047.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8672_zpsed83c047.jpg.html)

detail. I consider it a basis for further work with various effects.
8674(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8674_zps5062b870.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8674_zps5062b870.jpg.html)

and an idea of ​​where we're going ...
8682(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8682_zpsaa248f85.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8682_zpsaa248f85.jpg.html)

right? wrong? well...
0648(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/varie/IMG_0648_zps5f808f1b.png) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/varie/IMG_0648_zps5f808f1b.png.html)

bye bye, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 21, 2013, 08:23:09 AM
 :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 21, 2013, 08:28:32 AM
Paolo, I am in awe.  You have done wonders with the paint and decals!
Absolutely beautiful work.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 21, 2013, 10:52:36 AM
This one has really turned out spectacular! Your shading of the decals on the wings is Awesome!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 21, 2013, 12:12:04 PM
Your shading, aluminum doped finish and decal work are superb, Paulo.  She's gonna be a stunner, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 21, 2013, 12:29:23 PM
Looking spectacular Paolo, watching your techniques with the shading and the weathering in very inspiring, well done.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Adam on November 21, 2013, 06:19:47 PM
Shading and dirt from the engine made ​​by you is great.
Soon I will  build that model, can I get a license for shading and soiling?  ;)

Adam.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: rhallinger on November 21, 2013, 10:47:09 PM
Stunning finish Paolo!  How did you match the paint to the decal colors so seamlessly?  Great work!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 22, 2013, 01:14:30 AM
eheheheh...  ;D ;D ;D

I'm glad you like it, I am also fairly satisfied...
bob, the trick can be seen here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GoXHVs65NFQ

actually, I didn't match exactly the colors, but build up some different layers one over another until seam and  difference was not noticeable more! then, the oil colors mist sprayed on made the final curtain!

today I did some little advancing on this subject:
glued on all the last little things in the front top fuselage area (by the way, someone knows how was like the aiming system of the vickers?)
8707(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8707_zpse08f56bc.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8707_zpse08f56bc.jpg.html)

and straightened up the pins for the last coupling.
8710(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8710_zps22a0ba0b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8710_zps22a0ba0b.jpg.html)

a last dry fit,
8712(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8712_zpsebb963ba.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8712_zpsebb963ba.jpg.html)

and, also if seems that there are some tension on the whole, I trust in the bicomponent glue and in the fit of the pins.
8714(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8714_zps199bf06c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8714_zps199bf06c.jpg.html)

so, here we are. now -again- it's just a matter of waiting...
8716(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8716_zps317d7196.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8716_zps317d7196.jpg.html)

cheers, p.

Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 22, 2013, 02:30:43 AM
by the way, someone knows how was like the aiming system of the vickers?

Hard to tell from the photos that exist of 1895 -- it might have had an Aldis? Most drawings show it without any sights at all.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 22, 2013, 02:59:09 AM
Magnificent modeling Paolo. Your technique is amazing. A top build.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 22, 2013, 04:52:57 AM
Awesome work! I hope my 24bis turns out half as well!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mgunns on November 22, 2013, 06:03:08 AM
Hello Paolao:

Your paint work is very impressive.  It really dresses up a plain silver paint scheme and adds a lot of interest to the model.  It isn't overdone but very nicely done subtly accenting the underlying rib detail.  This is a very attractive and well done model.  Outstanding work all around.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Zabu on November 22, 2013, 09:01:37 AM
Hi Paolo.

Very nice work with the Ni. The silver paint work it's impressive giving the model a great look averall. Awesome work.

Cheers
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 22, 2013, 09:16:44 AM
Beautiful work, Paolo.  You know I have an affinity for Nieuports and
you have more than done it justice.  Grand job, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 23, 2013, 10:12:45 AM
DING!
time elapsed! the cake should be baked ... :D



Today was a tough day, but I could not resist to take off the bandages .... the result seems encouraging:
http://youtu.be/eT0TzUN9NX8



in fact, it seems to hold!
8759(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8759_zps0e61ab92.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8759_zps0e61ab92.jpg.html)

8760(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8760_zps1f4e3716.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8760_zps1f4e3716.jpg.html)

8762(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8762_zpscd9ac018.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8762_zpscd9ac018.jpg.html)

and now a good night's sleep, tomorrow is another day!
cheers, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: LindsayT on November 23, 2013, 11:00:03 AM
Incredible work, Paolo. I'm glad the decals worked out for you. Almost. It's nice to see what they would look like in the hands of a real artist.

Lindsay
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 23, 2013, 11:05:15 AM
Incredible work, Paolo. I'm glad the decals worked out for you. Almost. It's nice to see what they would look like in the hands of a real artist.

Lindsay

Nicely put, Lindsay.  Couldn't agree more.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 23, 2013, 03:16:33 PM
Excellent work Paolo, you are on the home stretch now.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 23, 2013, 04:20:04 PM
Perfect paint, shading and decal application, Paulo!  She'll be a real dazzler.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 23, 2013, 05:22:40 PM
Hi Paolo, this is a magnificent bird. I like the Nieuport very much and you made a masterpiece of it. I admire your skills.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 23, 2013, 09:30:49 PM
Lovely work, Paolo, well done !

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 23, 2013, 09:48:38 PM
Beautiful! I am looking forward to seeing your Nieuport rigged!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 23, 2013, 11:13:06 PM
Nice!
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Adam on November 24, 2013, 04:21:52 AM
Looks great.  :)

Adam.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 24, 2013, 11:53:45 AM
thanks....

let me once again thank Lindsay for the help. I think I'll never reach this stage without him.

today was another busy day, but I managed to retail a couple of night hours to log in this build...

just some rigging,
8790(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8790_zps83bd74cf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8790_zps83bd74cf.jpg.html)

rudder and again rigging...
8787(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8787_zps13c4fb0d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8787_zps13c4fb0d.jpg.html)

and, finally, the circus!!! ;D ;D ;D
8794(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8794_zpsdde1eeed.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8794_zpsdde1eeed.jpg.html)

Now he does all night under load, and tomorrow we'll see if the landing gear is straight out..
cheers, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 24, 2013, 12:15:58 PM
Your rigging looks excellent! That is certainly a daring and unique way to test/align the gear!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on November 24, 2013, 12:30:03 PM
  Paolo,
Outstanding rigging my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: pepperman42 on November 25, 2013, 07:56:13 AM
She looks beautiful and THATS a test of strength!!

Steve
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 25, 2013, 10:54:42 AM
I like to live dangerously... ;D ;D ;D

but, hey, it works!
it holds, so I put on the last rigging,
8821(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8821_zps73bedd8d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8821_zps73bedd8d.jpg.html)

and some details, like the step.
8815(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8815_zps34364c66.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8815_zps34364c66.jpg.html)

the next... step should have been painting wheels and building controls ailerons, but tonight I did not really want, so I have just a little fun with oily dirt.
starboard,
8830(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8830_zpsdb5e3f8e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8830_zpsdb5e3f8e.jpg.html)

port,
8831(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8831_zps7356907c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8831_zps7356907c.jpg.html)

under belly.
8817(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8817_zps42660507.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8817_zps42660507.jpg.html)

and that's it.
8832(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8832_zpsb1a37ade.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8832_zpsb1a37ade.jpg.html)

I'm pretty close to the end. now I am thinking also to a base surface that will enhance the painting... maybe a green short cut grass with just some blue flowers?
bye, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: RAGIII on November 25, 2013, 11:17:50 AM
Stunning work! I am extremely impressed by those who take the time to turn Roden kits into kits rivaling WNW!
RAGIII
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 25, 2013, 11:22:24 AM
Lovely rigging Paolo and your strength test is quite impressive.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Rob Hart on November 25, 2013, 11:28:23 AM
The model is gorgeous! I plan to try as many of your weathering and finishing techniques as possible on my future possible.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: rhallinger on November 25, 2013, 11:32:03 AM
Very impressive results Paolo!  I love what you've done with this kit. ;D. Outstanding work.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: lcarroll on November 25, 2013, 12:19:05 PM
Great work Paolo, this is a beauty of a Build! The oil stains on the "belly" are very well done; it all has come together very well.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: IFF1418 on November 25, 2013, 07:26:34 PM
I'm overwhelmed Paolo. This is such a beautiful build and plane. You have done a very great job. Wow!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 25, 2013, 11:30:52 PM
Absolutely wonderful work, Paolo!  Your weathering/staining is just
gorgeous.  Beautifully done, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 26, 2013, 08:21:40 AM
thank you all!
well, less than minor interventions and various retouches you'll want to tell me, I here testify it

                                                                                              f i n i s h e d .

of course, I have to attach it to a base, and in a hurry, because these things are an embarrassing weakness, but the model is complete in and of itself, I think.

some pictures, just to enjoy? ;D
8843(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8843_zpsfcbcfa14.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8843_zpsfcbcfa14.jpg.html)

nothing new, you'll say. what has changed?
little stuff: added the aileron controls, and its rigid rods.
8851(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8851_zpsfe70be23.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8851_zpsfe70be23.jpg.html)

the same from below. I also added an aldis aiming device model on vickers. actually, in photos you do not see many, this is the only one I could find a picture!
8859(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8859_zpsb47b37cf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8859_zpsb47b37cf.jpg.html)

I completed the cart with the rubber elastic..
8866(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8866_2_zps40d531c9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8866_2_zps40d531c9.jpg.html)

and switched back to colors. mud and other crap on his belly, trying to follow the helical flow due to the propeller.
8865(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8865_zps8d4353e0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8865_zps8d4353e0.jpg.html)

on the upper surfaces, as well as dirt from the exhaust, I did the usual dots with oils. given the special livery, I kept on color "light": just yellow and white.
8872(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8872_zps82cff123.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8872_zps82cff123.jpg.html)

maybe it's not so readable, but the right wing root bears the marks of the exhaust..
8873(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8873_zps15c59d94.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8873_zps15c59d94.jpg.html)

which then extends on the right side.
8876(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8876_zps74072650.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8876_zps74072650.jpg.html)

and that's it. clear prop, contact!
8884(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8884_zps3616aa0a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/Nieuport%2024bis/IMG_8884_zps3616aa0a.jpg.html)


well...
0650(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/varie/IMG_0650_zps0d00811d.png) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/varie/IMG_0650_zps0d00811d.png.html)

bye bye, p. ;)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Des on November 26, 2013, 08:33:52 AM
She ended up absolutelt gorgeous Paolo, your oil and exhaust staining is nothing short of brilliant. Congratulations on completing a very stunning model and thank you for sharing your build experience with us.

Des.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: uncletony on November 26, 2013, 08:40:16 AM
Super Nooper Paolo!
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: lcarroll on November 26, 2013, 10:10:51 AM
Magnificent finish Paolo, it's a very beautiful model and a tribute to your modelling skills. Nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Zabu on November 26, 2013, 12:53:03 PM
Congrats Paolo.

The Ni looks perfect. love the weathering work on it. Very nice indeed.

Cheers
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: pepperman42 on November 27, 2013, 12:18:04 AM
Great work. The weathering is perfect for a noop just back from a mission.

Steve
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: coyotemagic on November 27, 2013, 02:28:17 AM
She's absolutely gorgeous, Paulo!  From the detailing to the painting, shading and weathering, you've created a masterpiece.  Congratulations, my friend.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Adam on November 27, 2013, 03:31:44 AM
Wonderful.

Adam.
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Epeeman on November 27, 2013, 03:51:15 AM
Superb work on this Roden, kit -

The best I've seen of this particular kit as well.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: bobs_buckles on November 27, 2013, 05:14:01 AM
A stunning finish, Paolo!
Truly truly beautiful to see - thank you!

BVB
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: Ernie on November 27, 2013, 07:39:56 AM
Wonderful job, Paolo!  You have made a superb Nieuport.  Something
to be really proud of.  Nicely done my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: GAJouette on November 27, 2013, 10:42:05 AM
  Paolo,
Congratulations and Well Done my friend. She's a excellent example of the highest level of skill and craftsmanship! What's next ?
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mgunns on November 27, 2013, 12:31:14 PM
Looks the business Paolo:  I like it.  It's inspiring to me see you turn the Roden kit into such a great model.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: nungesser's nieuport roden 1/32
Post by: mc65 on November 29, 2013, 09:56:25 PM
thank you all very much, gentlemen!
so I go ahead with base? no more interventions, by you? sure?

I'm glad you like it, I hope also the friend to whom it will go will appreciate it.... at now, having seen it just by pics, he seems enthusiastic!

next project..... some Dr.I fokker(s)....
stay tuned! ;)