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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Gisbod on July 21, 2013, 12:25:30 AM
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Afternoon all,
I had a weak moment and ordered the D.VII, the HGW seatbelts & the Wood & Wire Lozenge for the wings and fuselage.. ;D It's your fault - all this talk of lozenge on the forum - I just couldn't resist having a bash at it! (that and it was Hannants last one in stock which tipped the balance :P).
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-2.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-2.jpg.html)
I've still got the Snipe to finish and I don't want to rush it - so this will be on the back burner for a week or two, but I really can't wait to get this one started!
The Wood and Wire sets are STUNNING! They make the WNW lozenge look like a cartoon effort (sorry WNW). I got the impression from reading your comments that the Aviattic are the best, but I went for these as they're ready cut and I wanted to keep the whole thing as simple as I could as its my first lozenge effort. But I just can't see how these could be bettered - completely exceeded my expectations..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-3.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-3.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-4.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-4.jpg.html)
I'm planning on this colour scheme - but it will require a glaze on the fuselage which could be interesting to recreate with a filter.. There's a photo of this one in the instructions with a single spoked wheel - I don't suppose anyone's got a spare one knocking about that they'd sell me? I can't quite stretch to the $107 dollars for a full set! :P
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-1.jpg.html)
I'm going to need some help on this one during the build...
Thanks for looking.
Guy
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Ps...
I want to get a Taurus set for the D.IIIa 180hp engine (spark plugs, coils etc) but I'm finding it a little confusing as to which one to get as there seems to be numerous different sets available - can anyone recommend which set no. I'd need?
Many thanks
G
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Ps...
I want to get a Taurus set for the D.IIIa 180hp engine (spark plugs, coils etc) but I'm finding it a little confusing as to which one to get as there seems to be numerous different sets available - can anyone recommend which set no. I'd need?
Many thanks
G
Hi, Guy. The plane you'll be building used either the D.IIIa or D.IIIau engine, both of which would use this set (rocker box behind the springs).
http://www.nordlandmodels.com/product/d3209-complete-timing-gear-for-mercedes-diiia:16604/
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud,
I've just ordered it..
Cheers
Guy
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Hi Guy,
Very nice choice and thank you for purchasing our Lozenge.
Cheers,
Vladimir
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I'm looking forward to your build, Guy. With all the extra
goodies, it should be great.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Good choice of kit Guy, I have one of these sitting in the pile. The exrra bits and pieces will make all the difference to the kit especially the lozenge decals, the Wingnuts lozenge is pitiful. I like your choices of schemes but prefer the first one.
Des.
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Just about finished the engine whilst the wood effects are drying..
I'm pleased with it in the flesh but I'm finding it hard to get a decent photo - can't really do Macro stuff with my iphone >:(
I used the Taurus sets which are great, although I've only used the spark plugs and valve springs - the other bits just didn't look any different (to me..) to the kit parts which were easier to fit.. :P
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3574.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3574.jpg.html)
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Guy, the engine looks superb! Nicely done. The Taurus springs really look
good. If this keeps up, you will have built a stunner. Looking forward to the
next update.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie :)
Now, I need some advice on the W&W lozenge decals..
I'm struggling to grasp the instructions: (not a criticism Vladimir)
1. They're printed on a white backing paint, so presumably they're opaque? So it doesn't matter what colour is underneath?
2. It says to spray 2 to 3 layers of acrylic varnish directly onto the sheet before cutting around the edges & applying? Why do I need to do this? Won't it crack when the decal gets applied?
3. It says you need an adhesive fixer - is this Microset/sol? Do the decals themselves have any adhesive on?
I'd be grateful for any guidance prior to me cocking them up :P
Many thanks
Guy
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Hi Guy,
Today I send more info ok?:-)
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Your Engine is Fabulous and the Photo is excellent to my eyes!
RAGIII
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Guy,
Your Fokker's Mercedes is pure eye candy my friend. Love those springs, what outstanding detail. Keep up the excellent progress and keep those photos coming.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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1. They're printed on a white backing paint, so presumably they're opaque? So it doesn't matter what colour is underneath?
2. It says to spray 2 to 3 layers of acrylic varnish directly onto the sheet before cutting around the edges & applying? Why do I need to do this? Won't it crack when the decal gets applied?
3. It says you need an adhesive fixer - is this Microset/sol? Do the decals themselves have any adhesive on?
I'd be grateful for any guidance prior to me cocking them up :P
Guy, I'm already following this as avidly as I did your Snipe build, somehow I seem to relate to your build methods and thinking processes ... at least there is a clarity within your posts that allow me to follow along with a sound understanding of what it is you're trying to achieve.
And the reason for this post? - Basically I can see me at some point asking those exact same questions re' the decals (of which I've admired too) ... so if the answers are made available - could you please make sure they're posted - inquiring minds need to know!!!
Again, following with much anticipation.............. cheers chap.
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Helo Guy,
used varnish Gunze, from our instructions. You can use only one layer. Varnishes and thinner in a ratio of 1:1. After warnish the decal works better. They are not so fine. Under decals give surfacer.
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Helo Guy,
used varnish Gunze, from our instructions. You can use only one layer. Varnishes and thinner in a ratio of 1:1. After warnish the decal works better. They are not so fine. Under decals give surfacer.
Cheers,
Vladimir
Thanks Vladimir, I'll experiment with that ;)
Andi - glad you like the builds - I'll post updates on what worked (or didn't!) as I go along. Have you started your Snipe yet?
Red Baron - Thanks, that's very helpful and your Fokker looks great! Your lozenge looks flawless too...
I'd still be grateful for any lozenge input - so those with experience of them - fire away ;D
Cheers
Guy
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Andi - glad you like the builds - I'll post updates on what worked (or didn't!) as I go along. Have you started your Snipe yet?
Many thanks - i would/will appreciate it. Regards said Snipe ... It did arrive from shores afar, so is now safely within my stash: However it might be some time before it graces these hallowed pages.
If you remember I started a Morane Saulnier? And I really embarrassed myself by posting painfully honest progress pic's. Well, I haven't given up [not my MO] but I have had a really good think about the problems I endured.
It seems that I was trying to make very specific techniques fit a completely different genre of modelling - I'd also managed to adopt and adapt some craft skills that just wouldn't make the crossover. So, I've been away for a while and thought about it long and hard. I've made some investments that should enable me to work a little more naturally and fluently ... and I'm once again working on that Morane - details and pic's to follow sometime soon I hope.
It's going to be a long road as I'm starting from the ground up again, but I'm as excited and as enthused as when I first arrived on this forum; Still visit several times a day, and try and contribute into various posts as and when I feel able to.
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Andi,
You've come to the right forum for help anyway - no one seems to have any ego - just a desire to assist and help you along! I find doing a build log to be a great help as it really pushes things along, answers queries and every build will be (hopefully!) a little better than the last..
You need to get going on a Wingnuts kit!
I'll look again for your Morane Saulnier :D
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Ps.. Nothing wrong with the Saulnier Andi.. Looks good to me - I've had a bash at a special hobby kit and I gave up! You really need to go WNWs...
;D
Guy
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So a little bit further on..
Interior bits and bobs painted and I can finally start building a little ;)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3595.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3595.jpg.html)
I can report that the W&W interior lozenge went on like a dream - I didn't varnish them first as they're fairly small. The nicest decals I think I've ever used - I did use micro sol & set - which seemed to help :D
I think I've found a solution for getting the instrument faces to go on the correct way up this time... Seriously good investment of £6 off Ebay... 8)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3586.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3586.jpg.html)
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Excellent work on all your internal bits Guy, and the propeller. I really like the seat cushion, you have done a brilliant job replicating the leather look.
Des.
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Terrific interior, engine and prop!
RAGIII
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Those pieces for the interior are very good. The seat cushion detail it's looking great.
Cheers (http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/goggleson.gif)
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Awesome seat cushion!
Cheers,
Chris
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Guy,
Outstanding progress my friend. Very impressive work on the interior bits. Especially the seat cushion. Looks very comfortable.Keep up the excellent works.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Wow! The whole lot looks fantastic. I like the colour scheme you're going for too.
Looking forward to seeing some more.
Tom
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Hello Guy:
Nice self photo! Your work with oils is outstanding. Your engine turned out great. Not real weathered but looks used. The interior pieces, seat especially are truly outstanding examples of the modeler art. I have one started, but due to summer and motorcycling I have left it languish. I will be watching your build. It is motivating just reading the thread.
I used the W&W decals on my LVG. A bit thin, but no problem. I painted the wings white, put a coat of future on them, decaled, used Solvaset, yes Solvaset, and there was no untoward reaction. I really like them. I will be ordering a set for my other DVII.
Best
Mark
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Thanks all :D
Mark - thanks for that - yes they are very thin but I guess that what makes them look so good when they're on.. I presume the layer of varnish before application strengthens them, but I'm still tempted to do as you did as they nestle down so nicely - it's just that I imagine they would tear fairly easily..
Another photo as the cockpit is at last finished - I do like the HGW seatbelts :) I've done a test fitting with the fuselage halves and it all just snaps into place - the fit on all the Wingnut kits is really exceptional.
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3596.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3596.jpg.html)
Cheers
Guy
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The cockpit looks marvelous, Guy! Very well done. ;D An inspiration!
Regards,
Bob
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Brilliant job on the cockpit, Guy!
Cheers,
Bud
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Your interior looks even better inside the fuselage!
RAGIII
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Got one of these in the pile. I hope I can make as good a job as you have
when I get around to it. Will bookmark this 8) Never done a
German plane yet (WW1 wise).
Cheers
Dave
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The cockpit is a stunner Guy! Can't wait to see the rest of the
build!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Evening all (or morning depending where you are..)
Got the Fuse together now and almost ready to slap some paint on ;) I can't wait to start on the Lozenge - I'm like a kid in a sweet shop ;D
If you're about to build the Fokker - I'd take a lot of care over the engine mounting assembly - there are quite a few delicate parts involved that, despite the great fit, do require gentle handling and a bit of thought - same with the engine covers - they fit - but only if the rest of the structure is spot on. I've had to do a little bit of fiddling around this area.. :o
The W&W lozenge looks spot on in the cockpit don't you think? ;D
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3607.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3607.jpg.html)
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That fuel gauge sticking up through the coaming is going to get broken off at some point... ::)
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Beautiful! Are the cowling bits and coaming glued on? If not, I'd recommend painting those separately. Might extend the life of that gauge. ;)
Cheers,
Bud
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HI Guy,
very nice, very nice and very nice. :)
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Thanks,
Bud - the engine panels are all fixed but the top bit isn't - I'm planning on painting this separately - trying to keep the masking as straightforward as possible.. (I always find that part more time consuming than I reckon on).
Cheers
Guy
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Very nice work, and the W&W lozenge is perfect for the inside fabric look. (At least to my eye!)
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Guy,
Lovely work so far, the interior is spectacular and the W&W Lozenge is frosting on the cake! Very enjoyable following your progress and looking forward to more. 8)
Cheers,
Lance
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Evening all (or morning depending where you are..)
Got the Fuse together now and almost ready to slap some paint on ;) I can't wait to start on the Lozenge - I'm like a kid in a sweet shop ;D
If you're about to build the Fokker - I'd take a lot of care over the engine mounting assembly - there are quite a few delicate parts involved that, despite the great fit, do require gentle handling and a bit of thought - same with the engine covers - they fit - but only if the rest of the structure is spot on. I've had to do a little bit of fiddling around this area.. :o
The W&W lozenge looks spot on in the cockpit don't you think? ;D
Looking Terrific! You are spot on about the thought and care needed on the framing/ engine compartment. A little bit off and you are hiding issues. I had the same on my DVII.
RAGIII
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Guy,
Outstanding progress to date my friend. I very like the look of the interior lozenge,beautiful for certain.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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The lozenge is very effective as is the rest of the build. Looking forward to more updates!!
Steve
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Guy, taking another look at your Fokker, I was wondering
what you used to paint the exhaust pipes. They look first-rate.
You're doing a super job and I'm looking forward to more
updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thank you again ;)
Ernie - it's Alclad Engine Manifold - there will be more to add to the exhaust, but I find this to be a nice grungy, metallic look to kick it off with..
I've made a start on the lozenge and, I know I'm repeating myself, but, wow! This stuff is awesome. I experimented on giving them a varnish before applying, but all in all I prefer using them without - yes they are delicate, but they nestle on beautifully - I've finished the undersides and haven't had any issues (yet!) with tearing. I'm just going slow and taking my time.
Started with a thin layer of plastic primer - rubbed down - then a very thin coat of Tamiya XF60 (dark yellow) which has a greenish tinge and seems a good match to the general tones of the lozenge, this is diluted with Tamiya lacquer thinner which gives a tough smooth finish - rubbed down - coat of Klear - rubbed down - which gave me this as a decal ready surface:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-2-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-2-1.jpg.html)
I gave the surface a liberal coating of Micro Set, then after the decals applied - slapped on the Micro Sol:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-3-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-3-1.jpg.html)
When dry it looks like fabric to me:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-1-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-1-1.jpg.html)
You can see here how it really hugs the surface detail:
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image.jpg.html)
I'll let that dry overnight and then seal it in before tackling the upper surfaces :o
Cheers
Guy
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CRIKEY ............... Where it has sucked into that stitching detail is simply amazing. I wouldn't of credited that, not by a long chalk.
This stuff has got to go on my ever increasing shopping list ... thanks or the picture posts Guy.
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Hi Guy,
very nice progress, more photos please. :)
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Wow! (sorry if i'm repeating you)
That stitching it's amazing. How close from reality can you get?? Dunno! Not too much close i guess.
It's a real pleasure for me to see you big scalers skill. Lovely!
Cheers
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Gisbod,
The more I see of these particular Lozenge Decals the more I like them, can't wait for mine to arrive. Can you confirm for me, the coat added over the Tamiya Yellow on the wings...Klear.............what is it (Laquer, enamel, acrylic? ) and what brand is it?
Great looking model you've got going here, looking forward to following more.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Lance,
It's Johnson's Klear - a floor polish. I'm not sure of the exact chemical composition, but it cleans up using acrylic cleaners. It's very durable once on and resists fingerprints & general handling really well. It's also a great base for decals. It airbrushes on, but you could equally paint it on with a brush as its self levelling - so you don't get brush strokes. You do have to be careful to not let it puddle though.
It may be called something else where you are.
Hope that helps..
Guy
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Guy,
Man that's an awesome application of her lozenge fabric decals my friend. The underside seam lacing really stands out and the taped edges are real eye catching too. All and all Outstanding project to date. I'll be looking forward to the next wonderful updates.
On the question of Johnson's Klear. I believe here it's marketed under the brand Future and it's beautiful stuff to use. Most likely this brand would be available in Canada for Lance to try out.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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As others have said - the decalling is very impressive!!
Steve
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Superb work here. I really enjoy your cockpit and that seat looks so real. I hope mine come out half as good. Keep up the good work.
Mike
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It's Johnson's Klear - a floor polish. I'm not sure of the exact chemical composition, but it cleans up using acrylic cleaners. It's very durable once on and resists fingerprints & general handling really well. It's also a great base for decals. It airbrushes on, but you could equally paint it on with a brush as its self levelling - so you don't get brush strokes. You do have to be careful to not let it puddle though.
Guy - How-do?
Just thought I'd throw this into your path.... I intended to use "Klear" for sealing the Morane components, and after reading your comments felt doubly confident --- BUT! I've had a terrible problem with "beading". I even gave one wing surface a bit of a wipe with Meth's as a degreasing exercise but to no avail ............ any thoughts.
It was over a "lifecolour" colour coat ............... any particular method or regime that you employ??
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Hi Andi,
Yes, I do sometimes get that myself.. :(
I find by upping the pressure to about 25psi helps - best to do smooth, fairly fast passes with the airbrush and the aim is as soon as the surface starts to look wet - stop or you'll get pooling and runs. You may find it easier to brush on - but again care is required to stop it running. If it does run, you can dab some off with a cotton bud and it shouldn't look too bad due to the self levelling properties of the Klear.
It is a bit trial and error, but very effective once you've got the hang of it. I have to say though, that I do generally find putting a gloss finish on something to not be as easy as you'd think. I've yet to find an acrylic (or otherwise) gloss varnish that really works as I'd expect it to.. I'd be interested to hear what other people use successfully..
Rubbing down with the fine polishing cloths in between coats is also key to a nice finish..
Hope that helps..
Cheers,
Guy
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Hi..
Trying not to rush this but I'm really enjoying this one - it's hard to put down!
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-8.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-8.jpg.html)
The lozenge is now finished. I've given the wings a light filter & the fuselage a heavier one - I know it's meant to be a brown varnish effect - but I figured that would just make the fuselage too dark - so I've used a little artistic licence and copied the Wingnut's artwork - which depicts it too be much lighter with a faded look. To that end I've used a light beige/mauve filter and its the look I was after.. ;)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-6.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-6.jpg.html)
Funnily enough, I did have a bit of tearing of the top wing decals (the most noticeable ones - obviously :-\) these happened as soon as they went in the water before I'd handled them.. So maybe they do need a light overspray as W&W says? It was a little odd as I had no issues with the undersides.. With a bit of delicate brushwork though they completely disappeared ;D but having just sealed them in with Klear - they suddenly stand out again! :P I'm just hoping they'll disappear again one it gets it's final Matt sheen. But nonetheless - very pleased with them - I may have to only ever make lozenged aircraft again..
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-7.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-7.jpg.html)
So next up will be markings - I just wish there was a Montex mask set for it.
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-5.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-5.jpg.html)
Great fun though - I'd quite happily build another Fokker next up - I've never felt like that about a kit before.
Cheers again,
Guy
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She's coming along spectacularly, Guy. No wonder you want to build another, as beautifully as this one is shaping up.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great job, Guy! The lozenge is amazing...I really can't get over
how much like fabric it looks. I can understand why one would like
to make lozenged aeroplanes exclusively. Carry on, friend, looking
forward to next update!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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I'm late to the party, but joining in with everyone else to compliment your high quality work on the model.
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Looking good Guy:
I have to get at mine. The W&W sure look sweet!
Best
Mark
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I can't get tired of watching those wings. Amazing job Guy.
Cheers
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Getting there.
Still a very enjoyable kit.. I'm going for one of Steven's incredible spoked wheels - so it may be a bit of a delay finishing up, but I think it will be worth it!
I've also misplaced the prop!? How can that happen? Perhaps the prospect of one of those nice wooden props is looming if I can't find the bugger.. :P
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-9.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-9.jpg.html)
Thanks for looking,
Guy
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Hi Guy,
very nice, coool Fokker. It will seem silly that I write. Lozenge looks really like a fabric and not a decal. our hand are percect.
Cheers,
Vladimir
P.S. later I send email.
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Just read this through from the start and wanted to congratulate you on a superb build to date.
Everything about it looks quality. Looking forward to seeing more.
Martin.
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Looking really good, Guy! The lozenge looks super.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Coming together very nicely, Guy - I particularly like the way you have weathered the cowling - very effective.
Regards
Dave
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Looks very sharp!!!
Steve
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Guy,
The most recent photo is really spectacular, this is going to be one beautiful model.
I'd like to go back to your use of Klear/Future; Do you thin it and if so with what and in what ratios. I think I've read all the available info, tried everything from distilled water to Isopropyl Alcohol to thin including no thinner and still experience problems varying from beading to really long drying times (2-3 days) Presently I'm getting reasonable results with just 10% alcohol however the finish stays tacky for a day or two and is at times susceptible to decal setting solution "staining. All this thankfully on scrap/test pieces)
Cheers,
Lance
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Hello Lance,
Yes, I do understand the issues. I get them them too. Although I can't always work out why - sometimes it sprays beautifully, others I get the beading - maybe atmospheric conditions play a part. Personally, I haven't tried thinning it. Although it appears to dry quickly (surprised yours doesn't?) I think it's best to give it at least 24 hours or so before polishing, applying decals etc. I do sometimes apply with a brush - which gives a nice even coat that looks sprayed on. But a little awkward if its not a flattish surface as it will run..
Did you see the link to the Future/Klear guide?
http://www.swannysmodels.com/TheCompleteFuture.html
Sorry I haven't got something more specific to help..
Cheers
Guy
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Thanks Guy. I'll have to read the link again, and I think I'll also take the time to do some experimenting with it. Perhaps thinning it is the reason it takes so long to dry, and I like your hint on increasing pressure.
Cheers,
Lance
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The secret to spraying future is very thin, mist coats. Let it dry like 15-20 minutes in between. Repeat until you build it up to the gloss you want. Easy peasy. Don't thin it. I use fairly low pressure (10psi or so) -- but whatever works to get basically a wet mist on the model. Any more than that and it runs. Let it dry at least 24 hours. I've heard 48 and that's what I do before trying to apply decals /sol etc.
If it beads up it's going on too wet/ close. (Again, don't thin it). Another factor could be some contaminate on the surface (grease, dust). The nice thing about it is it is very forgiving as long as you don't put too much on (runs).
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I've followed Bo's example with good results. I think it is the way to
go when using Future/Klear. Less is more. ;)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Bo, and Ernie for the reinforcement! I'll give that a try as , when I experimented with no thinning, I was using higher pressure ie: 25 psi and got the typical symptoms of a too thick medium; beading or scaling. I'll let you know the results; I've used it on and off for years and, like Guy, had varied results. When it's good, it's great; when not, Oh well, you get the picture! >:( :(
Cheers,
Lance
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Yep, thanks Bo,
I'll definitely give that a go. Unfortunately I have, in the past, suffered from modelling 'impatience' and find it hard to slowly build up any effect! But I'm going to try hard from now on!
Let me know how you get on Lance and I'll do likewise..
Guy
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A stunning update! Beautiful Lozenge work and overall decaling! I really like where this one is going!!
RAGIII
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Final update - she's basically done. I'm just waiting on Steven's fabulous spoked wheel to arrive so I can complete the undercart. I also need to paint another prop as I can't find the @#*¥%* first one - I've dismantled my modelling area - no doubt it will pop up just as I finish the next one :-\
I'm going to make a start on my Alby while I'm waiting ;)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-11.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-11.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-10.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-10.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-12.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-12.jpg.html)
Cheers
Guy
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Absolutely gorgeous, Guy! She looks like the real thing. You've nailed it, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
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Great work, Guy - I found this WNW kit particularly fiddly to get together so you have done really well!
Regards
Dave
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Hi Guy,
superb, excellent work.
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Another excellent job Guy - I'm learning to love those faded lozenge pattern deecals ... also your level of weathering and finish seems to be just about right for my taste too!
So, .............. Huzzahs from me then.
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Hello Guy:
Wow! What nice looking model. Outstanding work. Good luck with the prop.
Best
Mark
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Utterly superb work Guy, a real credit to you. Thanks indeed for sharing such a wonderful build...inspirational ;-)
Martin.
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Magnificent Guy! You can be justifiably proud of this one.......and you are so correct, the only way to find the errant prop is to finish a new one.
Cheers,
Lance
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Looking really good Guy. The cowling and engine look great.
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Great, I'm waiting for photo gallery ::)
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Super job, Guy! I totally agree with Bud...you nailed it! I particularly like the
photo looking down into the cockpit...that is just spooky good. Thank you for
the build, and be sure to slip us some pictures of her when you get the wheels
and prop in place.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks guys ;)
It's been a pleasure building this one and experimenting with lozenge..
I'm not sure about the close up photography though - every little flaw 'pings' out at you!
Another update once the wheel arrives.. :)
Guy
Ps
Dave Yes, I know what you mean about fiddly - it all goes together beautifully, but I did find the engine bearers and cowlings a little tricky - it's not that they don't fit - just a lot of very delicate parts.. I also found the outboard wing struts very delicate (as they should be to scale) mine were a little warped on the sprue - again - not a criticism - just incredibly thin long parts that are likely to warp or snap!
:o
Guy
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Wonderful work, thanks for sharing it with us. I'm getting one of these for Christmas, can't wait.
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stunning work! The color scheme and markings are really highlighted by the faded lozenge!! I will soon be starting my second DVII and will use your build as a guide.
RAGIII
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Guy,
Now that's one awesome Fokker my friend. Well Done. Love your decal application!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Wow...you did had a go in this one!
It's quite impressive from you. The lozenge it's mazing. I love that faded effect!
It's an honour to see such a nice build taking place.
Cheers
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The wheels came today ;D
These are beyond belief! They look even better in the flesh.. Just incredible works of art.. Just wow.
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-13.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/image-13.jpg.html)
I simply cannot wait to strap one of these onto a model :o
If you're hesitating over whether to get a set - Don't.
Incidentally, no customs charges with this. I got my 2 Modelkasten figures from Aus the day before.. £15 tax & handling fee! That's pretty much doubled the cost of the figures.. Daylight robbery..
Guy
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Good grief, Guy! The wheels are super! They will make your Fokker
even better than the wonderful job you have already done.
Looking forward to seeing the new footwear on your model.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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The wheel's looking great on 8)
I'll post finished pictures in a day or two. I just thought I'd mention I'm reading a cracking book at the moment called 'Black Fokker Leader' about Carl Degelow from Jasta 7/40.. A really excellent account where he corresponded later in his life with the author.
I may have to build a black Fokker now.. I like knowing the historical background to a model - makes it seem more real somehow.
Worth a read anyway..
Guy
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Hi Guy,
I will waiting on every new photos. :)
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Evening all,
Calling this one done now..
The most enjoyable kit I've ever made.. Great kit, enjoyable experimenting with lozenge, topped off by Steven's incredible wheel ;) I almost didn't want this one to finish.
As you can see, I've been playing around with the photos a little.. I realise this may not be to everyone's taste, but I kinda like 'em (I've still got the originals..) Be interested to hear what people think..
Onwards and upwards - The Albatros is looming with all that lovely wood.. :)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/4077206c-5de6-4664-ab93-4129813bdea4.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/4077206c-5de6-4664-ab93-4129813bdea4.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/cde149cd-e1af-48d2-a198-da05abcb83fd.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/cde149cd-e1af-48d2-a198-da05abcb83fd.jpg.html)
(http://i882.photobucket.com/albums/ac29/Gisbod/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3750-1.jpg) (http://s882.photobucket.com/user/Gisbod/media/Wingnut%20Wings%20Fokker%20DVII/IMG_3750-1.jpg.html)
A complete set of photos in the completed models section...
Thanks to everyone who chipped in - much appreciated.. ;)
Guy
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She looks great!! I like the tones of the third picture just not the TV screen border - which is a minor thing.
Steve
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Excellent! Beautifully done and Photographed!
RAGIII
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Looks great! I'm duly envious.
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Excellent! Beautifully done and Photographed!
RAGIII
Big Ditto !! Build and photos !
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Wow! About as good as it gets. Very nice build, and old-timey photos as well.