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The WW1 modelers' reference library => Aircraft => Topic started by: Jacek on July 02, 2013, 02:35:03 AM

Title: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Jacek on July 02, 2013, 02:35:03 AM
Personal aircraft General von Höppner.  Aircraft from Aviation Museum Krakow.

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/P1010088.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/P1010088.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0020-1.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0020-1.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0021.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0021.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0022.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0022.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0023-1.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0023-1.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0026.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0026.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0025.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0025.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0030.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0030.jpg.html)

(http://i1101.photobucket.com/albums/g436/malutki352/Halberstadt/DSCF0032.jpg) (http://s1101.photobucket.com/user/malutki352/media/Halberstadt/DSCF0032.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Whiteknuckles on July 11, 2013, 03:57:26 PM
Great photo's Jacek.
Forgive my ignorance, but is the camo original on this beastie?

Andrew
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Jacek on July 11, 2013, 10:52:36 PM
Museum of Aviation nothing writes about camouflage.
Shall communicate to that in 1964 he was refurbished.
I do not know anything more about it  :'(
               Jacek
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Whiteknuckles on July 13, 2013, 09:20:49 AM
Thanks Jacek, wonder if they did anything to the camo when they refurbished - it looks to be in good condition.
Cheers,

Andrew
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Steven Robson on July 20, 2013, 09:05:33 PM
Hi Jacek

Now that's a very beautiful Halberstadt.  Thank you very much for sharing the photos.  I agree, it's a most interesting camouflage on this aircraft.

I really enjoyed the close-up of the spoked wheels.  When (if) this aircraft becomes available in 1/32 scale, your photos will be a great resource for us all.

Cheers
Steven Robson
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Zabu on July 20, 2013, 09:34:02 PM
Very nice pics Jacek.

No wonder that sometimes it's so hard for the experts to try to guess the colors of the paint schemes.

Same aircraft in the outside in a sunny day:

(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/8-1.jpg)

Now Jacek, you've seen it close....what do you think about the colors?
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Jacek on July 21, 2013, 12:10:39 AM
Very nice looks on a sunny day, but whether these colors are consistent with the original is difficult to say.
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Des on July 21, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Inside compared to outside photos, quite a difference.

Des.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QVU_KxXKeGE/UesT0C5WGFI/AAAAAAAAIRA/rRrVttet2Os/s1000/camo%2520difference.jpg)
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: uncletony on July 21, 2013, 09:40:46 AM
Inside compared to outside photos, quite a difference.

Des.

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-QVU_KxXKeGE/UesT0C5WGFI/AAAAAAAAIRA/rRrVttet2Os/s1000/camo%2520difference.jpg)

Yes, nice juxtaposition Des; the adage "photography doesn't lie" is ... A Big Fat Lie.
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Whiteknuckles on July 21, 2013, 09:47:57 AM
Interesting contrast between inside and outside shots.
What is the time difference between the two pictures, does anybody know?

Andrew
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Jacek on July 21, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
Yes, nice juxtaposition Des; the adage "photography doesn't lie" is ... A Big Fat Lie.

Photography a lie ?  Just wrong adjust white balance  :)
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: BLOWHARD on July 22, 2013, 05:36:08 AM
Just to clear things up, yes, all new camouflage and fabric.  Some original paint samples-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v404/BLOWHARD/8d_zps349eb4f6.jpg)
(http://www.theaerodrome.com/forum/attachments/aircraft/11470d1226482593-halberstadt-cl-ii-again-sample1a.jpg)
(http://www.abpic.co.uk/images/images/1194626M.jpg)
(http://www.model-making.eu/zdjecia/0/5/1/1517_2_mir481306_11.jpg)
As you can see, it is most definitely not original, nor is it accurate in color or application.  Please don't look to this restoration for an example of correct camouflage.

I believe the large inscription on the fuselage was the original museum signage from it's time in a German museum between the wars.  It was common for museum planes to be inscribed with their information at that time.
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: Whiteknuckles on July 22, 2013, 09:45:34 AM
Thanks BH, very interesting!
The reason I originally asked was due to it looking too 'new/neat' or consistent if you know what I mean. While I'm not going to be making a Cl.II anytime in the next 100 years or so :-\, I find all this stuff very fascinating.

Cheers,

Andrew
Title: Re: Halberstadt Cl.II
Post by: BLOWHARD on July 22, 2013, 11:44:57 PM
Me too :D