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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: NinetythirdLiberator on April 30, 2012, 03:23:01 PM
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Hi Everyone,
This is just a couple shots of this kit for a Roden GB that's going strong. I wanted Des to know that I used his pencil graphite trick on the wheels and they turned out pretty nice. Never would have thought of using that! 8)
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4125.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4124.jpg
I'll be starting a modified Roden Staaken soon. Keep a sharp eye out!
In the mean time, this Bristol is a really nice kit!
Dan
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Your Bristol is looking very nice Dan, the engine turned out really well. What is your overall impression of this Roden kit?
Des.
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Very fine looking Biff, Dan. I've been watching this closely and I'm very impressed with what you've done so far. I'm about to start the Sunbeam Arab version, so I'm learning a lot from yours.
Cheers,
Bud
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Dan,
Outstanding Biff my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Looking great Dan and looking forward to seeing the Staaken ;)
Andrew
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Nice work! No real pitfalls along the way?
Cheers,
Chris
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Thank you ALL for your comments and questions. :) There seems to be a consensus question...what is the kit like!
Locating areas are kind of vague in places and as you are putting things together you aren't quite sure it's all going to fit. It's not WNW ;D But it does...with a little work...and all lines up well. The engine mounting is an example. As you put it in you are not sure it's really going to match up. But my Vickers is shooting through the correct hole, nothing is crooked and it all looks suitably busy even without additions as a great OOB kit. I only redefined and widened a few holes to make things positive.
The bottom wing attachment, for example, worked great and I was worrying about that. The landing gear struts locate the wing in general and then you add the supporting struts with little heart ache.
My only criticisms so far are that the fuselage fits together but you need to be careful since there isn't much glue surface and things can slide around on you. I needed quite a lot of correction fluid (a first for me...works great) for both the upper and lower seams. All the cockpit parts fit in well and are straight. No unusual clamping for force was necessary but the control column doesn't have a spade grip. I'm not sure what that means ??? Lastly, the tails have positive locating pins but they are very small and since the stabilizer is in two pieces, I had trouble getting it all square. Still a bit wonky if you look at it on a contest table.
I have to say it goes together better than their SSW cockpit/lower wing area!
Well done, Roden.
Dan
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Any Roden as far along as yours is a good thing. Their topics are so interesting and they are certainly prolific with their releases - thats what makes them popular.
Steve
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what do you mean by " correction fluid" like liquid paper? is that what the seams are filled with? i must say if so thats a great idea. i have never heard that one. the tamiya surfacer reminds me of liquid paper so its not a surprise if this works well. nice looking biff by the way.
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ALBATROS1234,
what do you mean by " correction fluid" like liquid paper? is that what the seams are filled with?
Sure is! Run of the mill type writer correction fluid. It hardens very fast, is super easy and precise to apply and files/sands nicely. I wish I could say I thought of it, but I think either (or both) David Hooper or Neil Pinchbeck from many SAMI articles used this. I just wanted to give it a shot and I'll use it again for fine lines etc.
Thanks for looking and asking ;D
Dan
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All,
Well...I started making my own turnbuckles based on various sites I've seen and techniques I've stolen with, perhaps, a twist or two. First thing was to make tons of eyes by twisting electrical wire around a tiny drill bit and cementing these in holes drilled part way through the wings. This was tedious but not hard to do.
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4133.jpg
Then, I found some tiny tubing for making fly fishing lures and some very thin "tippet" fishing line. I first:
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4135.jpg
1) cut a turnbuckle from the tubing. In my case, they are about 3/32nd inches long.
2) pull out a piece of tippet about 6 inches long and color it with a black Sharpie marker. Much easier to see and poke into the tubing.
3) thread it through the tubing and take one free end and put it through an "eye".
4) loop it back through and push into the tubing again. Not an easy task!
I find that if I dip the tip of the tippet that will be going through the tubing in "Armor All", it slides much easier. It's really hard to get two thicknesses of tippet through that tiny tubing otherwise.
5) a dab of super glue once it's all tightened. Seems to look ok but I'm not looking forward to doing this for 8,000 buckles. My eyes! My eyes!
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4134.jpg
You can see a shot of the buckles painted grey to give some contrast. We'll see if this continues to work and if I can actually make the associated other attachments for the upper surface of the bottom wing.
Crikey...
Thanks for looking,
Dan
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Those are fantastic tips on the turnbuckles, Dan! I was really wondering how to do a good looking turnbuckle in 1/48 scale. The build is looking great, keep it coming!
Lindsay
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Turnbuckles are looking great, Dan. It's a very good technique that really helps strengthen the finished model.
Cheers,
Bud
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Looking very nice Dan, love the turnbuckles.
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As the others have said, looking great!
RAGIII
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Dan,
Excellent turnbuckle technique my old friend and some great tips as well.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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All,
I got all the top wing turn buckles installed. Truth be told, it wasn't that painful and once you figure out a rythym, things go along nicely. No worse than masking a Ju-88 canopy (which isn't my favorite job) but so much more satisfying! ;)
I also know that this is as bad as it will get. This is 1/48th...heck...by the time I do a WNW, it will be like putting thread through a garden hose. Added to this, it's got 4-bays and finally...it's British so it's got double flying wires. I do know that the next time I'll put turn buckles directly into the wing as the little eyes look a bit odd. The turnbuckles themselves look pretty cool, however.
So here it is all hairy and with the top wing installed. Like most Roden models I've built, (Felixstowe, Gotha, SSW) as you are putting it together you wonder if it will ever actually be strong or line up. And as with those other builds, it comes together in the end with little drama. I didn't even use any complicated jigs. Well done, Roden. The only thing I did was make the holes for the struts a bit deeper. Everything else appears spot on! :-"
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4139.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4138.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4137.jpg
Thanks for looking and next is actually rigging the bottom wing which will add a lot to stregth etc.
Cheers,
Dan
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Dan,
Looks like your trusty rigging spiders have called it a day on you. Excellent progress my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Good Sunday to you All...
Well, I got the basic wing rigging done with all the turnbuckles. Quite interesting, I must say. I do like how they look. The pictures show them "in the raw" without some touch up needed on the wing surfaces where I smeared glue and the buckles themselves need to be painted grey or black. But overall, it looks ok to me. Definitely a learning curve and I'll do better next time. I do think they are slightly overscale and might just experiment with adding thick paint to the ends of wires as a simulation. ??? Des' look awesome and mine still look like an elephant tried to install them with all the bits of wayward glue and less than tidy cuts. Practice, practice, practice... ;D
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4142.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4141.jpg
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee260/smithdr/DSCN4140.jpg
Anyway, my foray into 48th scale continues and it seems to be going ok. :)
Thanks for looking. Next is finishing the flying surface rigging and all that touch up. It definitely looks like a Bristol now and is immensely strong to boot!
Dan
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Looking good Dan - coming along very nicely ;)
Andrew
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Magnificent Work alright! :o
Sean
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Dan,
Sean said it all my friend,couldn't agree more.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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She's coming along beautifully Dan, the rigging on the Bristol is a little daunting especially having double flying wires, but it all falls together and yours is looking excellent, well done with the turnbuckles.
Des.
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That looks great. Youre nearly Ro-DONE!!!!
Steve
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She's looking good, Dan. You're becoming a rigging pro after your Fee and this.
Cheers,
Bud
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Dan,
Fantastic build my friend and the rigging is just plain excellent.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Looking good Dan, nothing wrong with that rigging mate.
Cheers
Pete.
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Fantastic work my friend!
What did you use for the tiny tubes of the turnbuckles?
Antonio
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HI Antonio...sorry this took so long.
I used fishing line for the cables and some plastic tubing (lace) sold to make your own fishing lures. It is tiny and hollow, super easy to cut and paints up fine. It is almost too small as getting two thicknesses of the rigging through the hole is a challenge. This picture should help... 8)
Dan
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I just joined this particular thread guys.
I in a billion years would have never thought to use white out or correction fluid?!?!
I wonder how it would fair on a porous flat surface?? Time to experiment.
Beautiful job by the way.
-Roger