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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: mc65 on May 15, 2013, 01:46:21 AM
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hi all!
one of the next projects is the Voss albatros. the kit is the roden 608.
3172(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3172_zpsddacf431.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3172_zpsddacf431.jpg.html)
the idea is to build the last version: three hearts on fuselage, new upper wing with offset radiator, round fuselage footstep, square rudder. I'm still a little confused about spinner and wheels colours, and totally confused about the exact camo colours of the upper wings.
opening the box after having built a wingnut it's a little disarming. incidentally, I have also a D.V (WNW 32015) to be assembled to a mate, and comparing the sprues reveals some differences...
ok, I can negotiate with that, but.... maybe I may improve a little it, no? I wonder if any has done that. searching on the site and on web didn't give results.
let's explain. wing(s) rendering:
3177(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3177_zps204ebbff.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3177_zps204ebbff.jpg.html)
the roden one is... naked!! since the upper wing is identical between D.III and D.V, one solution can be buy a sprue from WNW, but the lower wing is different, so will be evident the big difference between them.
mmmmhh... and if I glue some thin plasticard stripes on the roden wings?
another critical area is the fuselage: the panel lines are really wide. fill, sand, rescribe? panelling on? just forget it?
3179(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3179_zps480e0afe.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3179_zps480e0afe.jpg.html)
also the control surface are poor... but here I hope to solve with a little carving and sanding. something like the stressed surface technique used on riveted planes.
3182(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3182_zps86d4b1fe.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3182_zps86d4b1fe.jpg.html)
same for the engine. basically the roden is correct, but the details are not so crispy like the WNW. here the only solution can be to have a brand new engine, or close the eyes and do the best with this one.
3183(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3183_zpscc84f2ad.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3183_zpscc84f2ad.jpg.html)
3184(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3184_zpsf5b6fd39.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3184_zpsf5b6fd39.jpg.html)
well, that's all, for today. next session I begin to assemble the engine, just to see how looks put together.
any help/ideas/comments are welcomed!
greetings, p.
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Hi Paolo--
I'm planning on building the Voss D.III as well, in her Jasta Boelcke incarnation (2 hearts).
I haven't finished all my research, but I believe the machine was a Johannistal D.III, not OAW... (square tail).
Will watch your build with interest...
cheers
--Bo
EDIT: Oops, I see you have noticed that it should be Johannistal (square rudder) :)
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Here's a suggestion for improving the wings:
http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88044.html
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I am sure that you will do well with your planned corrections. Just a note here in the For What it is Worth section: You are starting with an OAW Albatros DIII. There are some different panel lines on the nose, and the Spreader bar/axle wing is not present on the Albatros built/Voss Aircraft. Just a heads up,
RAGIII
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I'm looking forward to the project.Should be an excellent and informative thread.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Paolo:
What is your source for the Voss Decals? I have alwayls wanted to do this in 1/32nd but alas no decals?
Best
Mark
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Mark:
I think you can get the Voss decals from one of the FCM sheets in 1/32 available from rebelalpha on ebay. Much easier than trying to find the older Spada sheet.
Regards,
Bob
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hi all... I love the forums!!
in a matter of hours, if not minutes, one can receive (and give, of course) informations that may require days burning the eyes on pc, or months in the "no web era"...
bo,
I just read of your long term project... what I can say? I'll follow you tight behind, check your six!
about the voss albatros with two hearts, I given up because it's not clear to me if there was a period with the two hearts and the offset radiator on the upper wing... it's unclear when the wing was changed, if before of after the moving to the jasta 2, when was added the third heart and changed the colour of the spinner (and maybe of the wheels). so, the last version will theoretically put me on the safe side, and will give me the opportunity to play with the tones of the camo, painting the lower wing older than the upper one, just refurbished...
rizzo,
great idea, thank you! do you think they fit the trouble? I was planning to buy this item http://www.archertransfers.com/AR88004.html for a Dr.I ventral joint... well, I'll do a bigger order!
RAGIII,
would you please let me understand the chapter about the nose panels? I'm planning to sand the nose in order to change the airscoops and inspection panels, so correcting those lines may be not a nightmare..
mark,
I found these references:
http://www.arcair.com/Rev3/2001-2100/rev2007-Spada-LL-Alb3-05/00.shtm
http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/decals/fcm/decal_fcm_32014.shtml#.UZK9hnCuBrM
the second ones seems (according to web research) to be more accurate, and of better quality, so I ordered from the source of the link. I got them some days ago, and to me they are beautiful!
thank you all again, gentlemen... now, if I will not fall asleep, a little bit of glue...
bye, p. ;)
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I have the FCM decals btw, they are very nice...
Mark, last time I checked Sprue bros still had them
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My 2 cents, the spinner and wheel discs are painted a dark color. The wheel discs are definitely the fabric type and there is some chipping of the dark colored dope exposing either raw fabric or maybe light blue. The best bets for the spinner and wheel discs are either black or red. Personally I feel they are red because they look lighter than the black of the crosses. Of course this could be film ot lighting or both. But either way, the spinner and wheel discs are painted as part of the personal markings.
Here is my profile-
(http://www.greatwaraviation.com/forum/gallery/1262_28_01_13_7_59_50.jpeg)
And Jim Miller's-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/JFM/Profiles/Voss_DIII_JastaB_MS.jpg)
(I hope you don't mind Jim, I found this on the internet, I swear! :D )
PS, do notice that Jim has the square step here, but he was the one who found conclusive proof the plane had a round step. That is an older profile I believe.
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mmmhhh... interesting!
thanks for the help, blowhard (blowhard? ???).
definetely, the red spinner has more appeal, matching with the hearts (and, again, will be possible to add various tones, assuming the side hearts are older than the upper, painted on in the same period of the spinner). about the wheels I'll think about at the right time. at the moment I'm not sure about. for sure they'll have some chipping!
a question about the profiles above: the fairings ahead and behind the lower wing root are depicted in wood in the first, and aluminum in the second...?? due to the shape of them I think at them as metal, but (what a new!) I'm not sure...
so, the first glue has flowed, we are engaged! ;D
just started the engine.... sigh! the good news are that having the WNW D.V, I can (and do!) cannibalize some extras from the so much better sprue!
I cut away the roden crankcase, and added the spare one from WNW.
3185(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3185_zps2050bf11.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3185_zps2050bf11.jpg.html)
phew.
3188(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3188_zpsa09dc2de.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3188_zpsa09dc2de.jpg.html)
also the rocker tree is fair better...
3186(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3186_zps75a6a9f2.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3186_zps75a6a9f2.jpg.html)
wanna talk about the inlet manifold? ;)
3187(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3187_zps46f475da.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3187_zps46f475da.jpg.html)
well, at this point I'm in. I suppose I will improve the valves springs, and the sparks, totally absent.
3189(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3189_zps94663a46.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3189_zps94663a46.jpg.html)
but not now, it's almost the sunrise... a little sleep will help, I guess.
bye, p. ;)
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Not to spend your money but check the Taurus detail parts for the motor. I think the Roden kit is a solid basis for a good model. WNW has spoiled us and with a little tlc the III can look nice.
Steve
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G'day.
Paolo, I have both the Roden kits in my stash and will be watching your build (and Bo's), for inspiration.
Mark, the source is FCM's sheet 32014. I'm not using Voss' markings, so if you want them send me a PM and I'll chuck 'em in the mail. Do you have any spare 1/32 Dr.1decals? The ones I got with the Roden kit didn't survive being wrapped around the kit bits, for the trip to Oz, too well.
Cheers.
Dal.
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Those fairings are aluminium Paulo.
I've built most of this kit, It has some rather odd errors but builds nicely. OAW DIII's differs in a few area's to an Albatros DIII Cockpit opening, rudder, cowling configuration and actual construction (panel layout as someone else pointed out. Another point to watch is the engineAlbatros built DII's used the early engine (springs central to the cam box but a lot if not all OAW DIII's used the later type with the springs and lifter gear at the front of the cam box. Not to say there wasn't a lot of engine to frame swapping in the field of course.
One huge but hard to see or worry about unless you are AMS inflicted like myself is the internal layout of the cockpit is wrong, The controls should be as per the D.Va and not as the kit, this is the same layout for the DI & DII where the cables ran out behind the rear spar of the lower wing, which was wider and double sparred on the earlier models. The DIII has the narrow lower wing and a single spar so the arrangement is much different.
http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=135236&ord=&page=2
http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=163413
Heres two links to my build over on Aeroscale and you might get some good info from some of the others posts there... As you will see I found out about the control difference well into my build. so hope to save you some headaches.
Keith
(edited to remove horrendous typo's ::) )
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Brad Cancian's beautifully rendered DIII will inspire you ;)
Check out Brads WW1 Model album http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/CancianB/German/index.html (http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/CancianB/German/index.html)
(http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/CancianB/German/cancian-32albdiii/D3056.jpg)
Good luck!
Von Buckle
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i also built this kit in the voss markings 3-4 years ago. back then they only had spada decals for this marking. the johannisthal albatros d.iii kit would have been a better starting place for the reasons already mentioned. if i were doing this project now i would certainly buy a wnw mercedes engine sprue as this engine is much more accurate and better molded. the roden engine is neither a diii(160hp) nor diiia(180hp) but a hybrid of the 2 with things like large size rocker boxes with the arms and springs in the middle position instead of adjacent etc etc etc. we have become spoiled by wnw. before the dv/dva kits came out this was the best albatros 1/32 around and many modellers have done beautiful builds. my favorite brad cancians voss build. it was the first really excellent build of this kit i saw. with the cowls removed to show engine detail and the subtle shading and weathering and his excellent woodgrain. i will enjoy watching you build this kit in these markings. cheers
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Aluminum fairings...OH NO!!!!
Those fairings are aluminium Paulo
This one really bugs me!!!! As far as I can tell, NO German built Albatros D ever had aluminum fairings! I've looked, believe me, I can't find a single photo where you can see the wood grain that the fairings are aluminum. I think this is a complete fallacy that is a carry over from artwork of the plane. Unless you see it in war time photos, you just can't be sure. Jim Miller was the first person I heard this idea from. At the time he thought some of them were wood. But as I said, after looking, I'm positive they all are wood. Jim also has a square footstep too and he'll be the first to tell you that's wrong.
I've got good photos at home and I'll be glad to post them tonight. But for now, here is a photo of Voss' plane. Tell me if you see aluminum fairings, painted or otherwise-
(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2011/06/full-2942-13990-voss20alb.jpg)
Here are a few others of Albatros Ds, all essentially the same in this area-
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v519/JFM/Aerodrome/Jsthalnose.jpg) (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/JFM/media/Aerodrome/Jsthalnose.jpg.html)
(http://flyingmachines.ru/Images7/Putnam/German_Fighter/23-1.jpg)
(http://www.greatwaraviation.com/Aircraft/German/Images/German/Albatros/Alb-DIII.jpg)
(http://simhq.com/forum/files/usergals/2011/06/full-2942-13969-untitled_9.jpg)
You just wouldn't know or even question it unless you had a reason to look. Jim had mentioned it to me while I was working on profiles of the D.V. When I got to the D.III I needed to get the shape of the various styles of fairings worked out and I started looking. Like everyone else, I had always seen these done as painted aluminum but it's just not so. Just because you see it in art, decal or model instructions, and other peoples models doesn't necessarily make it true. But don't take my word for it, look for yourself. Try and find one that is definitely painted aluminum.
PS, check out that wheel disc in the Voss photo above, you can see the fabric flap for the tire filler and the chipping.
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Well I've pored over what ref I have and have to say Blowhard appears to be correct, Theres a possibility DII's made by OAW may have had ali fairings but I can assume the misconception is down to Oef craft do and it appears the DI prototype did too.
So I stand corrected but as often quoted never say never ;D
K
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I've got good photos at home and I'll be glad to post them tonight.
Please please please do!!! -- can't ever get enough good ref material
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That's it Kornbeef, the OEF and also the fact that sometimes those fairings look lighter than the rest of the fuselage. It may be they were added after the fuselage was varnished. I know Koloman Mayrhofer added his D.II fairings after the fuselage looked varnished. Jim also thinks there is a possibility of a different type of wood being used. There is a panel at the wing attachment point that looks like it is Ash rather than Birch. Those fairings are made of two pieces and some photos do show nail heads around the edges.
Does anyone know of a good source for photos of Koloman Mayrhofer's D.II and D.III(German, not Austrian) builds? There are a handful of photos of these at the Aerodrome but I'd LOVE to see more!
I will Bo, I can't remember what all I have, but I'll put them up :D
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Here ya go, Dave.
http://www.wwi-models.org/app/sbj/srch/Macn.php?action=uArchList&subjId=26
It looks like you may be right about the Albatros D.III, based on the photos you've posted. I'm not 100% sold yet, since aluminum is easier to shape than plywood, but I'm keeping an open mind. I knew there had to be a good reason why I haven't built an Albatros yet (aside from a couple Oeffags). ;)
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks Bud! Nice photos, I don't have too many of these. But this is the OEF plane, his group was also building 2 German D.IIs and a German D.III.
It seems like after a point in late 2011 the photos on the Aerodrome start to dry up. I've been looking for more, or completed photos but haven't found much. (0% of what you find when you search is the OEF plane.
Check this out-
(http://www.flymag.cz/media/images/Albatros_1.jpg)
Here is that pesky fairing-
(http://i306.photobucket.com/albums/nn277/kolomay/IMG_2541.jpg)
I want any large photos of these as I can get. Is anyone here in contact with him?
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Okay, Dave. You've convinced me. My goodness, the hoops we have to jump through to support our theories! ;)
Cheers,
Bud
PS-Maybe we should ask Des to relocate this discussion to a new thread as not to trample all over Paolo's build thread.
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mh-mh...
more we ask ourselves, more we discover... bud, no problem with these adds on this thread, they are useful to me and pertinent to this building! ;)
to me, it seems logical to use aluminum for the hull, at least for reasons of weight. but the pictures showed undoubtedly wood grain on almost one of them!
the modern reproduction don't make a proof, to me, but (again) why use wood when you may save weight? there must be a solid reason for it.
as I was saing, more we ask.... in some pictures, actually in the contemporary ones, are evident the signs of the nails wich fastened the panels... yet, I've not seen a single model in big scale with them.
why?
I think they add a tremendous interest to the surface, specially on a not so nice kit as the mine... moreover, they are quite easy to do on a WWI airplane: no round or conical, or flush rivets, no wings... just some marks on the fuselage!
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Oh, we do nails :)
Check out Przemol's D.V for just one outstanding example:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1328.0
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Yeah Bo, that's a BEAUTIFUL model. I've been looking at that one since it was posted :D
yet, I've not seen a single model in big scale with them
I think this idea is still pretty knew. Jim mentioned it too me only a few years ago. It might take a while to become general WW1 areo knowledge.
Okay, Dave. You've convinced me
But keep looking just in case :)
Paolo, sorry for putting up so much non-build info. But it should help in your building at least :)
Here are a few picture and possibly one exception. I had forgotten the D.I prototype, it "looks" like it might have painted metal fairings.
(http://dpcmodels.homestead.com/KS_Albatros_D1_Art.jpg)
Here are some detail photos of D.III fairings-
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7283/8743222950_ed7ea3490e_b.jpg)
(this site re-sizes, so check here for full size-
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7283/8743222950_ed7ea3490e_b.jpg
And a few from D.Is and D.IIs-
(http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8743223170_4e5eddb22f_b.jpg)
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7288/8743223170_4e5eddb22f_b.jpg
One more aside, even if you can't see wood grain, any photo where the painted metal fittings are a different tone than the wood, if follows that the fairings would also be a different tone. I can't think of any reason all metal parts would be painted in one color and yet the fairings would be carefully matched to the tone a shade of the fuselage. That just wouldn't make much sense :)
As pointed out, there's always something new on these planes that we might never notice despite how well we know them. Always keep looking :D
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oookaaay... it was "only" a matter of ignorance! as justification, I can say that here WWI biplanes are rare to be seen at contests... ::)
and nails will be:
3200(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3200_zps7c18269b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3200_zps7c18269b.jpg.html)
I started from the inside, just to have a try.
3201(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3201_zpsebf1f8d2.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3201_zpsebf1f8d2.jpg.html)
I modified the floor as per cornbeef's model, but being a donkey, I did it after assembling the cloche. now I know is wrong, on this configuration.
3203(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3203_zps71c477e7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3203_zps71c477e7.jpg.html)
a good reason to redo it. also, I put it a little too much forward and offset to represent the normal condition of the controls on ground. but like that, it interferes with the ammo container.
3204(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3204_zps65737d2d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3204_zps65737d2d.jpg.html)
the original seat seems to me a little sturdy, so I built it up a new one with plasticard.... better?
3205(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3205_zps6c8fc5be.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3205_zps6c8fc5be.jpg.html)
3206(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3206_zpseccff6e7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3206_zpseccff6e7.jpg.html)
bye, p.
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It's a lovely start Paolo.
There exists an original D.III seat from Georg Noth's plane, and it has a lot of padding(!)
(http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Alb_DIII/albseat1.jpg)
More:
http://www.wwi-models.org/Photos/Ger/Alb_DIII/index.html
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I'm planing the same project. But I think it's much easier to offset the radiator as to convert an O.A.W. built Albatros to a Johannistal built one. The easiest way would be to get a new wing from Roden with the offset radiator. I've tryed this but they would send me only decals. Have they misunderstood me?
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ops.
seems I may use the original seat, or even better, a wnw's replica with green stuff... a lot of.
thanks, bo! :D
soren, the offset radiator is the main reason for having choosen the 608 kit... but, honestly, looking at the detail, the best should be do a radiator ex novo. so what is the wing is, it's the same! :-[
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hi all,
here I am again for a little updating...
understood that going as per instructions will be over my capacities, I tried the cancian's style:
3214(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3214_zpsc11dcb63.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3214_zpsc11dcb63.jpg.html)
gone the cloche, I'll try to paint and build (or build and paint..) the most here, then fit in the fuselage...
3210(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3210_zps2203576c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3210_zps2203576c.jpg.html)
and, hey! it seems working!! all my apologies to roden, the styrene is quite workable and solid, also to my goofy hands!
3215(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3215_zps19a48e5b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3215_zps19a48e5b.jpg.html)
now the day's question: behind the seat there is a black hole... in other carts may be seen a canvas tent... here the same?
3217(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3217_zpsd2361559.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3217_zpsd2361559.jpg.html)
it seems also that I must thin the end near the spinner... no prob.
3218(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3218_zps21d96116.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3218_zps21d96116.jpg.html)
and also the cover seems to be right... well, more or less..
3219(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3219_zps2db5ee70.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3219_zps2db5ee70.jpg.html)
that's all, folks!
a big thanks to mr. cancian and bo for the inspiring works they did and doing!
cheers, p.
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little upgrading...
the engine will drive me crazy. water passage, cut the magneto plate.
3236(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3236_zps812e9fa8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3236_zps812e9fa8.jpg.html)
first base for wood.
3238(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3238_zpsd015d8b1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3238_zpsd015d8b1.jpg.html)
3244(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3244_zps8e4f83bf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3244_zps8e4f83bf.jpg.html)
wiring the instruments. by the way, the eduard ones make me not so happy... ideas?
3239(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3239_zps58be7738.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3239_zps58be7738.jpg.html)
maybe a question I should have done before open the panels...
3240(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3240_zps68a2d0ef.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3240_zps68a2d0ef.jpg.html)
erase the original front panels. not satisfied about, redo.
2699(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3245_zpsf5f2699a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3245_zpsf5f2699a.jpg.html)
new radiator try in place.
3246(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3246_zps4d7afdcf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3246_zps4d7afdcf.jpg.html)
fuselage look at.
8935(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3250_zps05ea8935.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3250_zps05ea8935.jpg.html)
next upgrading... nextly. first have some sleep. then, there is a forest outside, grass to be cut urgently!
bye, p. :)
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Fine work, P ;)
Looking forward to seeing more updates from you.
VB
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Nice progress on what looks to be a complicated Roden build!
Steve
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Go Paolo go!
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wiring the instruments. by the way, the eduard ones make me not so happy... ideas?
Have You seen the Instrument dials from HGW? I think they Looks very good. They come in brass, black and silver on one etched Frame.
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new radiator try in place.
Is this the wing with the centered radiator You have sanded smooth? I've thought about it to grind away the old radiator and simply build it new with etched parts on the offset position. But what about the wing spars on the old Position?
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... the eduard ones make me not so happy... ideas?
You are right, they are horrid. The WNW decals are superb, and their alternate marking sheets come with full sets, so that is an option, but expensive. There are also semi generic WWI instrument faces available from airscale(? Check des's main site ) that aren't as nice as WNW but miles better than the printed Eduard stuff.
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Paolo,
Outstanding progress my friend. Looking forward to seeing more of this project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Looking very nice. I started back into the Hobby with this Kit; she can be a real monster but with effort builds into a very nice result. I'm looking forward to following your Build.
Cheers,
Lance
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hi,
thank you all for encouraging and supporting!
bob,
just received an envelope in very good ealth from you... ;)
soren,
I tried on the HGW site, but something doesn't work, I was unable to see their products!
about the radiator, this wing has it in the offset position yet, I just carved out the original too big and rough one and put in a spare WNW one. but, wanting to do the work on a center one, I suppose the only way is to rebuild the spar (actually the ribs) with plasticard layers smoooooothed out with some sandpaper and zen attitude...
bo,
I just ordered the airscale decals.. thank you very much for the info!
well, now I have to wait to news from taurus and airscale to go ahead with engine and fuselage... what I can do meanwhile? :)
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Hi Paolo,
Thanks for the info ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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well,
after a very long day, I tried to relax a little on the bench. but not all donuts come out with hole...
the idea was just spray a little of green and tan over the frame, and test if it's better to paint the parts before assembling. actually masking the built structure was a nightmare, so I began to give primer to the D.V parts.
without check for ejector signs, that sure where there, positive and negative. what a courtyard's chicken. :-[
stopped with primer, will work them out.
3272(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DV/IMG_3272_zps0ff21299.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DV/IMG_3272_zps0ff21299.jpg.html)
3273(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DV/IMG_3273_zps07966f5e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DV/IMG_3273_zps07966f5e.jpg.html)
so, just some paint here and there... the WNW fuselage sports a tremendous difference with the roden one:
3270(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DV/IMG_3270_zps2dccf02c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DV/IMG_3270_zps2dccf02c.jpg.html)
3264(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3264_zpsf9b1b7a5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3264_zpsf9b1b7a5.jpg.html)
3267(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3267_zpsd77d98be.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3267_zpsd77d98be.jpg.html)
just after cleaning the airbrush, I realized that the green should reach the engine supports...
3275(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3275_zpsa004c284.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3275_zpsa004c284.jpg.html)
so I gave up, for today. enough is enough. :(
now I'll go to see what in the hell roschach thinks about that:
3271(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3271_zps009e7eb5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3271_zps009e7eb5.jpg.html)
bye, p.
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The difference in panel lines I was speaking of is that the OAW has 4 panels as seen on your aircraft. The Albatros built birds had 3. Also the vertical panel line where the 3 horizontal panels end is a bit closer than on the OAW. I had an article on Internet Modeler showing the differences. Have trouble with Java Script so cant provide a link.
RAGIII
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It's going together nicely :D
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Paolo,
She's coming along wonderfully my friend. keep up the excellent work.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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On the D.V, be careful not to get too much paint into the slots where the formers fit or it will not go together ...
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thank you, actually I see this kit as a curse, but, being a gymnasium for models to come, I'll can endure it.
RAGIII,
thank you for the info... check the images below.. you say also about the spreader between the wheels... so it must be just a straight axle?
bo,
got the lesson! here we are, ready to a coat of future....
3316(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DV/IMG_3316_zps18b66e96.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DV/IMG_3316_zps18b66e96.jpg.html)
well, today I did quite something. first of all, I cut the grass close home. now remains just the two acres around! then, I decided to not wait the book on albatros nor the archer ribs I ordered but go on and just relax with it.
I rescribed the elevator and rudder, after modiyfing it, trying to render the structure under the canvas.
3292(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3292_zps571c6ed7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3292_zps571c6ed7.jpg.html)
then began to glue in place in position some PE from eduard, in order to be ready, one day, to paint the subassemblies.
3298(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3298_zps895f0cbd.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3298_zps895f0cbd.jpg.html)
3300(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3300_zpse4859890.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3300_zpse4859890.jpg.html)
spandau time!
3306(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3306_zps4b4b18c9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3306_zps4b4b18c9.jpg.html)
3309(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3309_zpse25b845a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3309_zpse25b845a.jpg.html)
3310(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3310_zps0b544f00.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3310_zps0b544f00.jpg.html)
some nailing over the new panelling...
3321(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3321_zps014ec357.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3321_zps014ec357.jpg.html)
3323(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3323_zps62ec6c3d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3323_zps62ec6c3d.jpg.html)
and, after some future, a try with uschi's decals.
3325(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3325_zps42002161.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3325_zps42002161.jpg.html)
being an absolute beginner, and a woodhead, I managed to fail with the depth's lenght of the panel..
3327(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3327_zpsfe3f896c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3327_zpsfe3f896c.jpg.html)
well, that's all... see you at next session!
cheers, p.
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I love it
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Paolo,
Great works from your talented bench my friend. Keep up the outstanding progress .
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Can You discribe how You made the fabric structure on the rudder and the elevator?
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thank you, actually I see this kit as a curse, but, being a gymnasium for models to come, I'll can endure it.
RAGIII,
thank you for the info... check the images below.. you say also about the spreader between the wheels... so it must be just a straight axle?
well, that's all... see you at next session!
cheers, p.
Looks as though you nailed the correct panel lines! You are correct reference the axle. Just the Axle and a small support bar to the rear of the axle. Your work on this kit is AWESOME!
RAGIII
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Can You discribe how You made the fabric structure on the rudder and the elevator?
I'm thinking Paolo scrapped away with a curved blade to create the effect, but I'm sure the man will correct me if I'm wrong ;) :D
Doing great work, P!
Keep it up.
VB
WRONG! :D
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Good job, Paolo! I really admire your attention to detail.
I'm, looking forward to more of your build.
Thanks for sharing it with us.
Best regards,
Ernie
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hi all,
thank for the encouraging, actually, I'm not happy with this kit, it lacks appeal, and I'm not working too much to improve it... :-[
RAGIII,
have you an image of the spreader? I'm still waiting for the book on albatros, and I'm moving blindly, meanwhile!
soren,
the work on control surfaces was quite simple, bob is right:
first I traced the braces position with masking tape, using the WNW kit as reference. I put on them some primer just to understand where I was working.
3286(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3286_zpsd9168d5a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3286_zpsd9168d5a.jpg.html)
3291(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3291_zps141cb7ba.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3291_zps141cb7ba.jpg.html)
then I scribed roughly the concave area with a round blade,
3287(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3287_zps48b8b801.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3287_zps48b8b801.jpg.html)
and after I worked out the areas with sandpaper, coarse first, fine then.
3290(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3290_zpse7da0541.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3290_zpse7da0541.jpg.html)
after a coat of primer, I worked again the surfaces with fine abrasive compound,
3292(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3292_zps571c6ed7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3292_zps571c6ed7.jpg.html)
it's not enough, yet, but I'm closing to the right result, i think.
3312(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3312_zps030304a5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3312_zps030304a5.jpg.html)
3315(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3315_zps1d81aa9c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3315_zps1d81aa9c.jpg.html)
bye bye, p :)
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Hey! No fair!! Your Spandau barrels are round whereas mine inevitably come out squashed and dented! ;D
Cheers,
Chris
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Hey! No fair!! Your Spandau barrels are round whereas mine inevitably come out squashed and dented! ;D
Cheers,
Chris
it all depends on what angle you take photographing!! ;D ;D
but, annealing on a flame the metal before bending, and retempering it after (simply burning again and drop it in cold water) will help somewhat... ;)
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Great updates!! Your reworking the flying surfaces has been very effective I think.
Steve
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thank you...
well,
today received the ribs archer. beautiful, but after a quick (not too fast, in fact) I realized that I would need at least 5 packs. at +17 USD each one, plus shipping, plus waiting for .... uuuuuuuuuuff. >:(
autarky, and the fear passes.
3334(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3334_zps6f92968b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3334_zps6f92968b.jpg.html)
autarky, and some 0,05 plasticard and patience!
3336(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3336_zps49ef9e37.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3336_zps49ef9e37.jpg.html)
3337(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3337_zps72bd9129.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3337_zps72bd9129.jpg.html)
batman, you're nobody!!! ;D ;D ;D
3339(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3339_zpsfafe31c8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3339_zpsfafe31c8.jpg.html)
3340(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3340_zpsbbd8a9e8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3340_zpsbbd8a9e8.jpg.html)
mmmh ... I failed the rib that straddles the radiator, I guess. :o
3341(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3341_zps4bbeb963.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3341_zps4bbeb963.jpg.html)
3342(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3342_zps4a60067e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3342_zps4a60067e.jpg.html)
and I totally forgot the tail! :( Okay .... talk about it then.
bye, p. ;)
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I'm amazed and learn.
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thanks, soren... :D
where we were?
little upgrading, I'm taking advantage of a few days off duty, doing as much as possible.
closed the rear of the cockpit area:
3353(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3353_zps4f98fc72.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3353_zps4f98fc72.jpg.html)
I'm not sure that's correct, but I disliked the black hole without, and in any case once closed the fuselage, very little will be seen...
3356(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3356_zps651dee73.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3356_zps651dee73.jpg.html)
then started the instruments, using the FCM and airscale ones. since I've not a bezels so big as the instrument on the right, I cut a section of a brass tube.
3345(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3345_zpsc4ba95a7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3345_zpsc4ba95a7.jpg.html)
the air speed indicator. mmmmh. now the rear mounts of the mg appear clumsy!
3346(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3346_zpsa036616b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3346_zpsa036616b.jpg.html)
some improvements (?) to the tanks..
3349(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3349_zps9d740443.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3349_zps9d740443.jpg.html)
and to the caps, yet to refine.
3350(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3350_zpsef2c7c8a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3350_zpsef2c7c8a.jpg.html)
I tried to "move" a little the seat cushion with an electric solder.
3351(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3351_zps601a550f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3351_zps601a550f.jpg.html)
then I added buttons and lining. not too bad, to me. ;)
3360(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3360_zpsa5483a5c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3360_zpsa5483a5c.jpg.html)
I added a plasticard foil to the ammo containers, too thin on my opinion.
3358(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3358_zpsd5cc87f8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3358_zpsd5cc87f8.jpg.html)
last thing, I tried to modify the kit muffler carving the end of it and using brass foil to reproduce appropriate shape and thickness.
3361(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3361_zpsa3a7209d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3361_zpsa3a7209d.jpg.html)
the idea is to cut the plastic end when I'll be satisfied with the brass replacement.
3365(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3365_zpsc7c6a356.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3365_zpsc7c6a356.jpg.html)
the Mk I is made following the kit part, the Mk II using a tube section angle cutted..
3363(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3363_zpsbe4f21ac.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3363_zpsbe4f21ac.jpg.html)
maybe too angled...
3364(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3364_zps12b39221.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3364_zps12b39221.jpg.html)
actually, I'm not convinced about this last intervention...
well, that's all for today, see you nextly!
cheers, p.
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Great progress! I love what you did with the fuel panel. Seat and fuel tank are coming along nicely as well. Instruments look great.
Btw: The "air speed indicator" is actually the engine tachometer ;) -- German airspeed indicators were of the anemometer type and lived out on an outboard wing strut (generally speaking)
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thank you very much, bo!
actually, without your work on the jasta 2 D.V all this wouldn't exist!! not having yet received the book I ordered on albatros planes, I go by web and imagination...
so it was the rpm indicator... it make sense, in an open cockpit this indication comes first! but, at this point, I suppose that the roden kit doesn't provide an asi! just copy the wnw one from D.V?
and, also, the really big instrument on the right hand of the cockpit... what's it?
another thing that I don't understand is the fuel panel... why 4 cocks??
little upgrading from the night: oil on internal structure and beginning of the seat.
3366(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3366_zps98d09227.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3366_zps98d09227.jpg.html)
greetings, p. :)
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This is totally awesome work! Another example of what a skilled Modeler can do and how close to WNW a well detailed Roden kit can look!
RAGIII
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so it was the rpm indicator... it make sense, in an open cockpit this indication comes first! but, at this point, I suppose that the roden kit doesn't provide an asi! just copy the wnw one from D.V?
Yes, they varied, but generally similar to what was was fitted to D.V
and, also, the really big instrument on the right hand of the cockpit... what's it?
I think maybe you are referring to the compass? Fuel gauge is also mounted on the right side, but it is not large.
another thing that I don't understand is the fuel panel... why 4 cocks??
It's complicated. The NASM book explains it best. The cocks control which tank is selected, whether air pressure is from hand pump or engine mounted pump (hence AIR pressure gauge on fuel panel) and a couple of other things I can't remember (I am away for the weekend )
I can send you a diagram when I get back which explains it perfectly. PM me your email.
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RAGIII,
the differences between a wnw and a roden are several:
- assumed that two finished models look alike once finished, in the amount of blasphemies said during work.
- the total time necessary to complete the second, at least double the first,
- and the most important, with a roden you are forced to give the best of yourself, getting an equivocal result, while
with a wnw you can force yourself to overcome your best, but the quality of the kit will always leave you behind.
the end result will still be an imperfect model, but in the second case only because of the modeller!
this applies to me, obviously, but opening a box wnw opens up the heart, conversely with a roden open the gates of hell the modeller!
that doesn't means roden is trash... it's just wnw that's so far ahead!
bo,
thanks for your kindness, PM sent.
for big instrument I intended not the compass, wich is on the floor, but the one on the right side of the cockpit, the one numbered 29A in the instructions sheet:
3371(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3371_zps7c07429f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3371_zps7c07429f.jpg.html)
in the FCM sheet it's numbered 24:
3372(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3372_zps9f4c4cb5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3372_zps9f4c4cb5.jpg.html)
and it's so BIG!
3373(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3373_zps79952c03.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3373_zps79952c03.jpg.html)
here compared with the fuel panel:
3345(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3345_zpsc4ba95a7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3345_zpsc4ba95a7.jpg.html)
it seems a pressure gauge, while the little one at the top of the fuel panel seems to be a level gauge...
ok for the asi, I'll scratch one copying the wnw one.
last question: how about the muffler? I'm not satisfied by both, actually. but wich technique seems better? foil or tube?
thank you all again,
greetings, p. :)
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29a would be the fuel level gauge...
The gauge at the top of the panel is the fuel tank air pressure gauge (the tanks were pressurized with air to deliver fuel, they did not rely on fuel pumps like modern systems(
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Outstanding my friend. Absolutely love the interior frame and those additional details.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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thanks...
here again I would thank bo for the info he was so kind to share. actually, I find myself a little bit guilty, first for the shameless copy of his work I'm doing, and then because I'm doing a poor job, doing that!
I'm next to leave for some days of vacation, but I would "close the loop" of the cockpit, in order to not leave little bits around waiting for me back home... so, here we are:
3453(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3453_zps75f74b48.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3453_zps75f74b48.jpg.html)
i closed the fuel panel doing the B side, but without being to picky about. I used also the eduard seat harnesses, even if I'm not convinced at all of their goodness.
3454(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3454_2_zps2970d6db.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3454_2_zps2970d6db.jpg.html)
in a fit of glue, I glued also oil, fuel and ammo tanks... they lacks still tubes and lines, but now I know where to find them.
3455(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3455_zps2e7e3fcf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3455_zps2e7e3fcf.jpg.html)
after rebuild completely the stick, still without book's references (where in the hell it will be? are weeks, now, that I'm waiting for it!) I realized that it's a little bit too high. too late, I saw this placing the rear spandau's brace on its place, when the cyano had set.
3456(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3456_zpsb6219fbb.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3456_zpsb6219fbb.jpg.html)
and it was too filled with details (well, gyzmo ones, but still a lot of things) to extricate it from the cockpit. also for the throttle and magnetos controls I gone by fantasy... shame on me!
3460-2(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3460_2_zps49f7e7ec.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3460_2_zps49f7e7ec.jpg.html)
I still have not clear ideas about the exact position of the ailerons cables, so I'll wait after holidays to put there the pulleys.
3460(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3460_zps6c05e5ef.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3460_zps6c05e5ef.jpg.html)
and that's it. see you within some days, say 10-12 more or less.
bye, p.
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Impressive work so far. Youre making a great job of this tough kit.
Steve
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thank you, steve...
I was just putting it aside and closing the lights, when I saw the ducts for the spent cartridges... mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmhhh, they seem so extended.... :o
an in fact. I glued the spent box upside down! it seems the right time to unglue it, at five hours to the wake up and a long journey ahead..... >:( >:( >:(
but this is the nice to use cyano... it just popped out without collateral damages, but to fix it, it have to wait. augh.
cheers, p.
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Your build is continuing to be an inspiration! I have a DII by Encore /Roden in the Stash and NOW I AM DETERMINED to build the interior as you have done, and Brad Cancian, with the stringers and entire framework done as a sub assembly! Very,Very, Nice work!
RAGIII
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Very impressive modelling, indeed. The interior is a masterpiece. I like your build very much.
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Absolutely beautiful work on her interior my friend. Thanks for such a great thread.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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@ mc65
Here is a picture of an Albatros D.III replica of Koloman Mayrhofer.
The position of the aileron pulleys and the aileron control cables in the cockpit are clearly evident here.
I hope this helps you further.
Servus
Bertl
(http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h342/ASKundASK/AlbatrosDIII2_zpsea90951c.jpg) (http://s1105.photobucket.com/user/ASKundASK/media/AlbatrosDIII2_zpsea90951c.jpg.html)
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Great paintwork Paolo, it seems a very difficult kit to me. Very nice!
Kind regards
Patrick
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I don't know if You know it. The two small plates between the lower wings on the bottom of the fuselage are wrong. Roden has molded them that they looks like small airscoops. This is wrong. There are the backplates of the pulleys. The position differs a little bit between left and right.
The reason why the side rudder on O.A.W. built Albatros D.III and later on D.V is not to increase the rudder area but to make it much easier to bent the tubes of the rudder.
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Hello Paolo:
This is really coming along nicely. Like a lot of folks, we have the Roden Kits and they do turn out pretty decent. You are doing outstanding work and I will be referring to your build if and when I get around to doing another one of these.
Best
Mark
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i understand what you say about the wnw being engineered to be closer to a real ww1 aircraft then roden. i personally like the challenge of a roden kit . the wnw kit if you are a decent modeller it WILL turn out good, many guys take extra steps to push even wnw kits to new heights but in general they are much easier to assemble than a roden which takes much planning, test fits and skill to wrench out a nice one.for example a friend of mine locally who is a very talented modeller struggled with the roden albatros and got frustrated and gave up. the same guy finished the wnw lvg,junkers,and dv which all turned out really well. this isnt a guy who has been modelling for a couple years but a life long aircraft modeller who has modelled all periods in aviation history and consistantly pulls 1st and 2nd place at ipms contests.those roden kits are definately not shake and bake. the fact that your roden is turning out quite well is a testament to your skill.
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Sorry, but the third rib should be tilted backwards. It´s clearly shown by the row of nails which goes from the holder of the cabane strut to the landing gear.
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Your model is shaping up beautifully, Paolo.
Looking forward to the next installment.
Cheers,
Ernie
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hi all!
I'm back home, and asap I'll return to the bench, thank you all for encourage and appreciation, it's fuel, to me!
in the mail box I find some nice items from taurus, but not the book I was waiting... :-[ :-[ :-[
soren, have you an image of that plates?
I'll tilt that row of nails, thanks. things that happens to whom builds blindly! :o
see you here soon, bye, p. ;)
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hi,
just a soft approach to the bench, a lot of things to do, as usual!
first of all, I fixed the mistake about the spandau chutes:
4612(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4612_zps782ef482.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4612_zps782ef482.jpg.html)
then made some plumbing,
4613(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4613_zpsca905582.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4613_zpsca905582.jpg.html)
and started the pulleys for the controls.
4614(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4614_zps6293cb8d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4614_zps6293cb8d.jpg.html)
beginning also to use some taurus items...
4627(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4627_zpsd6cebc8d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4627_zpsd6cebc8d.jpg.html)
I love them!
4625(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4625_zps8e862b66.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4625_zps8e862b66.jpg.html)
having the colors in the cup, I tried some on the muffler...
4618(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4618_zps1f559e2b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4618_zps1f559e2b.jpg.html)
and opened some of the boxes arrived in my absence...
mr. voss, from model cellar. really nice!
4619(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4619_zps18a8fd7f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4619_zps18a8fd7f.jpg.html)
well, that's all, at now.
happy we, p. ;)
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Very nice Paolo
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Very attractive Build Paolo, you are handling the Kit's "built in" challenges very well. Looking forward to following this one to completion.
Cheers,
Lance
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This is a very inspiring built. I´m sure this bird will be a beauty.
Paolo, what was wrong with the ammo chutes? Please remember that Voss had in his Albatros additional cooling slots on the front of the Hood!
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Your attention to detail is exceptional, this is an excellent build reference.
Des.
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Paole, the Exhaust-side is the wrong side for that Taurus parts!!!!
You need flanges on the Exhaust-side...............I hope it's not to late to change.................
Servus
Bertl
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Oops, yes Bertl is right; the castellated nuts go on the intake manifold... I missed that. :o
I have a spare Roden D.III block if you need to start over.
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oh good lord.
Sometimes I look in amazement at my opposable thumb, and I wonder when ever fell from the tree... :-\
thanks for reporting, bertl!
bo, thank you very much, always very kind. I'll try to save this, or otherwise I will make a copy of a resin wnw.
well, I just have to try to remedy even this ... ok, modelling is suffering, but I'm exaggerating here!
by the way, I received an answer about the reference books: we are waiting for warehouse supply .... sigh.
At this point I have a question: the inlet manifold should be made "smooth" according to the voss's plane, or can be "blindfolded"?
soren, the problem was not in the piece, but in the instructions: the only way to understand the direction of the shells container (42A, depicted by B side) it's note the tooth visible on the far right of the drawing ... thing that I have not done, obviously.
4631(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4631_zps5908312f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4631_zps5908312f.jpg.html)
took note of the front air intakes, I'm by experimenting to reproduce them.
Thanks to all for the help, without this model would not exist, or would be a Picasso ...
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I'm beginning to hate this kit... it seems that I saved the engine, but I deployed a lot of whitening of my poor hair. :-[
actually, I'm thinking to start it again with another box. I intended this as a dummy test for wood effects and roden kits, but I find myself entangled in such a mess, and also I like so much the voss plane, that I'm afraid to waste it.
mah, let's go ahead, and see what will happens... ::)
to relax a bit I did the pulleys for the control cables. little documentation, some gyzmo, a drop of ingenuity... here.
4661(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4661_zps4f6dcee2.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4661_zps4f6dcee2.jpg.html)
not to much to be seen...
4665(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4665_zps25b318ac.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4665_zps25b318ac.jpg.html)
and that's all, for tonight.
bye, p.
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Looks absolutely great to me!
RAGIII
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Oh no! Don't give up! Why do You want to waste the kit? What You have built until now looks already so great. Remember that Roden is not a Wingnut kit! But I'm sure with Your modeling skills it would be a very nice model. Go Paolo, go!
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Oh no! Don't give up! Why do You want to waste the kit? What You have built until now looks already so great. Remember that Roden is not a Wingnut kit! But I'm sure with Your modeling skills it would be a very nice model. Go Paolo, go!
I second this! You have made a fantastic interior! Now dress it up with a skin!
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rest assured, I will not surrender ... the game ends when the king is checkmate, not before! ;)
Today I took the bull by the horns and gave it a settled ... nothing exceptional, but it is beginning to take a shape. maybe not the right shape, but any ... better than nothing! ::)
saved the flanges and installed on manifold, plug wires, lever advance and tappets. all a mix from ex WNW parts and gyzmo.
4687(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4687_zps409c845e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4687_zps409c845e.jpg.html)
water pump is completely missing from the kit, I'll do something about.. nothing exotic, just a little can.
4689(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4689_zps82994b36.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4689_zps82994b36.jpg.html)
exaust pipes in dry-fit...
4690(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4690_zpsaf48afd7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4690_zpsaf48afd7.jpg.html)
and side B. I'm thinking to love me and defer on a number of minor details that remain invisible to the hood mounted...
4694(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4694_zps3f4025ac.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4694_zps3f4025ac.jpg.html)
now a few details and begin to age it with the colors. then I'll put it in its place and will close the @@@@ fuselage, IF I don't do others mistakes... :o
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I like it :)
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Waterpump? I look in my spares box next weekend and put it to the CD.
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I guess you mean you are missing the "air pump" - the funny little thing on the front of the motor at the end of the camshaft. The water pump on the D.III is in the middle of the tower at the back of the motor that houses the vertical driveshaft for the camshaft and is topped with the decompression device (the thing with the handle).
The air pump provides air pressure to the fuel tank, thus providing fuel pressure to the carburetor.
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Theres spare various airpumps on the WNW Merc sprue. just check references that the type and location is okay. Some were mounted at the rear of the camshaft too.
Easier than making one.
Keith
I love what you have done so far.
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yep, you're right: air pump!
this night, putting finally the head on the pillow, I wondered what were those two tubes going downward in the cranckcase, if there are other two bigger on the back of the engine.... 2+2=4. ;)
soren, thank you, let's check via email before you send it, maybe meanwhile I find something to put there! all in all, I have two other albatross wnw on the shelf, maybe I find something from there to cannibalize..
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Outstanding details on your engine my friend. Keep up the excellent works.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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yeeeeEEeeesssssssss! ;D ;D ;D
this evening coming home I found in my mail box the books, finally. right in time, there I found this pic:
4720(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4720_zps2bd4feda.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4720_zps2bd4feda.jpg.html)
and, in detail....
4722(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4722_zpsc97b7f5b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4722_zpsc97b7f5b.jpg.html)
so, after a not too long research, I had the right air pump from a wnw D.V
said, done!
4714(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4714_zps40314c6e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4714_zps40314c6e.jpg.html)
some dirty here and there...
4713(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4713_zpseca24fba.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4713_zpseca24fba.jpg.html)
4715(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4715_zps82cda63d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4715_zps82cda63d.jpg.html)
and after some pushing and pulling and cold sweating..
4716(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4716_zpscd531139.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4716_zpscd531139.jpg.html)
the last detail will be fitted with the engine positively locked in position.
4719(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4719_zps5bb114cd.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4719_zps5bb114cd.jpg.html)
maybe tomorrow... thank you all for the help!
greetings, p. ;)
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This all looks just superb to me! Keep up the good work. :)
Regards,
Bob
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Very convincing. And it is not WNW but Roden! Great modelling.
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That looks very good. Really convincing work.
Best Regards,
Ernie
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thank you all, gentlemen!
here we are, I did the last (to my standards) details to the fuselage interior: cables to the rpm indicator and the syncro engine/spandaus, and compass.
4723(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4723_zps40910303.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4723_zps40910303.jpg.html)
nothing exceptional, just something to fill that space:
4724(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4724_zpsc95b791e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4724_zpsc95b791e.jpg.html)
and finally, I closed it. this was my first with "touch-n-flow" glue, and I was astonished by its performance!
4728(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4728_zpsb6cc6a20.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4728_zpsb6cc6a20.jpg.html)
as I suspected, closing the fuselage hides the most of the work done till now... and with the engine cover?
4729(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4729_zps42a08af4.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4729_zps42a08af4.jpg.html)
pffffh ... ok, considering this building a training course for the next model, I assume that in the future I will consider best details which needs more attention and wich can be skipped over.
hey, and the compass?
4730(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4730_zpscdf461c4.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4730_zpscdf461c4.jpg.html)
well, in the next session I'll start with wood effect, the main reason of being of this kit.
see you, p. ;)
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Looking great - I really like the muted colouring that your're getting in the interior - it looks very convincing to me. As you say, such a shame that it has to be sealed up!
cheers
FF
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She's extremely realistic looking. Those cables and seatbelts are outstanding.
Cheers,
Chris
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thank you...
today is the day: I revv up the compressor to do some wood on fuselage... I love this moments! ;D ;D ;D
I elected to add on the last PE details after this session for this fundamental reason: I was impatient to try the wood effect! ;)
polyuretane primer, dark grey preshading.
4736(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4736_zpsc81f2910.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4736_zpsc81f2910.jpg.html)
buff, tan, brown. all corrected with each other and/or white.
4737(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4737_zpsd2c867c0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4737_zpsd2c867c0.jpg.html)
highlights in the upper areas and a little shadow in the lower with the same lightened/darkened colors.
4741(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4741_zps1cdd4ebe.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4741_zps1cdd4ebe.jpg.html)
some oils on.
4742(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4742_zps30974f3f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4742_zps30974f3f.jpg.html)
future. no, werner it's not on the fuselage supervising the works. yes, my bench it's a mess.
4743(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4743_zpsd971674b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4743_zpsd971674b.jpg.html)
now, I have a question:
- I wonder if put the wood decals before or after the insigna... I mean: if I decal the wood on the white tail to render the white painted on wood panel, also the crosses, and the hearts, etcetera, should have a grain effect visible on.... or not?!? :o
maybe I should do some trials, and -above all- errors... but what do you think about?
greetings, p.
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@mc65
Do not forget, the wood grain at the Albatros Fighters runs in only one direction, in the direction of flight.
Panell for Panell in flight direction.
Not from the bottom up or top down.
Servus
Bertl
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With that in mind the wood grain is effective. A light sand and remask the offending panels will fix it up.
Steve
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yes, thank you, that vertical panel is a single mishap... ::)
here a trial with grain under and over the insigna, the cross managed to injury herself in order to not be used in a disposable set. will be executed later for that.
4746(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4746_zps6e3bb70d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4746_zps6e3bb70d.jpg.html)
so? it works effectively (more or less) just on light colors.. dunno. for today it's enough, tomorrow I'll think about.
please say your preference! to the vote, to the vote! :D
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Not over the insignia...
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Not over
Steve
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What an outstanding piece of Modeling Excellence! With the small exception of the direction of the grain, one of the finest Albatros DIIIs I have ever seen, bar none!
RAGIII
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I wish my Albatros would be so far. Your Albi looks very good. What decals are You use for the woodgrain. There are so many different sheets...
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ooooookay: signs on wood.
thanks, folks!
soren, being a beginner with all this stuff, I tried several types... but it seems to me that uschi's products are simply the best.
one of the first things happened today: I realized that the vertical fin was absolutely out of shape. re-do, singing an anticlerical song.
4749(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4749_zpsa9de6564.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4749_zpsa9de6564.jpg.html)
and some decalling..
4764(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4764_zps6c3a1be8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4764_zps6c3a1be8.jpg.html)
I tried to achieve some tonal difference between top and low panels:
4765(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4765_zpsddef3573.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4765_zpsddef3573.jpg.html)
4766(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4766_zpse9bab6d8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4766_zpse9bab6d8.jpg.html)
a thing that make me a little ansious is how to render the grain on the white parts... it seems that the decals darkens too much it. ???
but now, pause to protect the ones in position with a future cover.
I'm on the right path?
regards, p. :)
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Your fuselage woodwork is superb!
Cheers,
Chris
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Since youre experimenting Im sure you dont mind constructive observation. I think each panel is very well executed. Im just not sure there would be THAT much of a variation in wood tones. Its a bit "checkerboard-ee" Im sure theres evidence to prove me wrong but the Voss bird (which I think is the one you chose) appears to be fairly even in wood tones. You have been very successful using those wood grain decals though!!
Steve
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hello, thank you for your attention! :)
steve,
no problem! I'm here primarily to learn, and I think in any case that the forums make sense if are an honest exchange of views. otherwise they would only be a reflection of each own ego, which as we know, is fallacious! ;)
about the details of the board, I think (and hope) that you are referring to the difference between the first and fourth sections side, and at the bottom next to the wing ... but there are still no decals! I'm waiting to protect those already put on the side, and to glue the wing to complete the whole. the difference in tone I was looking for is between the top and bottom of the fuselage, rather than between panels.
rather, I'm puzzled as to the general tone of the whole: I think I started with shades too dark. even if I'll try to light it up with clear orange and yellow, it's showing up as the batman's albatros, in lieu of the voss one!
even the tail should be white makes me think ..
but we will see later, this weekend is dedicated to the sea! ;D
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Paolo beware: The clear orange and / or yellow will only make it darker still!
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moan und groan.... so no hope to restore it? :-[
I think I'll go ahead with it as is, and then decide if strip it down to bare plastic skin, or accept it..
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jellyfish.
tons of jellyfish. if this is not bad luck ... for once I try to take a bath! :o
got home, I put hand to the fuselage. we say that step one of the first attempt is complete,
4840(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4840_zpsa2480927.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4840_zpsa2480927.jpg.html)
also in white on the wood.
4843(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4843_zps9981b058.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4843_zps9981b058.jpg.html)
I now have to decide whether to keep it that way or do it again, all more light and yellowish ...in your opinion?
greetings, p. ;)
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It looks great, maybe slightly too dark (mine is too!), but so what. I say keep going.
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The wooden fuselage is a little bit too dark for Voss's plane in my opinion. I don't know if I would change it again. But lighter would be better for Voss's plane. In any case the tail is much too dark. It was white and not a shade of grey. I think there was't any woodgrain showing through the paint.
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mh-mh...
actually, it's dark especially to be the voss one.....
so, we have one of the three:
- I don't care, and keep going on this. (I don't like this kind of approach).
- I'll strip it down to plastic and restart. (I hate this sort of thinghs).
- I buy another roden kit, and use this one for another, dark, aircraft, all in all I have three camos, on the fcm sheet.... (sounds totally crazy).
dunno. but I'm far from the bench, so there is some time to think about....
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I prefer the last option. Your Albi looks very good but as I sayd to dark for Voss's Albatros. You should finish the kit as an other plane which was darker and if You want the Voss bird buy a new kit and restart. There are so many interesting color shemes. You can not have enough Albatros models.
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Keep going - I think this is a good looking model. You have evened out the contrast VERY well. Just do another bird. Do you really want to start ANOTHER one? ;)
Steve
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Keep going - I think this is a good looking model. You have evened out the contrast VERY well. Just do another bird. Do you really want to start ANOTHER one? ;)
Steve
I agree with Steve. To me the "Darker" shade isn't far off...
RAGIII
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ok, voting ended, open the ballot box, we keep this ... especially the steve's question was enlightening to me: Do I really want to start another one?
NO. ;D
thanks to an idea of a friend, I tried to use filters "aging" of the true earth. previously I used them (a little) on tanks, but I had not thought about the possibility of using them here.
since I never tried them with airbrush, I helped the mixing with some gums with thyme and honey... ;D
4856(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4856_zps909a2b46.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4856_zps909a2b46.jpg.html)
first of all, since they are water-based and slip on the mirror surface of the wax, I gently sanded the fuselage.
4853(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4853_zpsd793626d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4853_zpsd793626d.jpg.html)
then I applied the first stage of filter with brush, to saturate the area.
4862(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4862_zps97e61c3e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4862_zps97e61c3e.jpg.html)
with the matte surface and with a solid base of filter, I went to the other tones with the airbrush.
4865(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4865_zpsb7585343.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4865_zpsb7585343.jpg.html)
and that's it, I do not go over.
to avoid the risk of overdoing it, I started to glue the eduard PE.
4866(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4866_zps43b817f7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4866_zps43b817f7.jpg.html)
and then, after having adjusted the panel lines and the nails, I give a coat of wax.
I think that makes it better opaque, but we'll see after the insignia.
4871(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4871_zps98025976.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4871_zps98025976.jpg.html)
I added details not provided, such as the drainage holes. and also made a mold for the eight vents in the engine compartment, tomorrow we'll see what it was.
4868(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4868_zpsd182bb69.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4868_zpsd182bb69.jpg.html)
the next goal will be to find a white who marries the one already used in the fuselage ...
4873(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4873_zps4ffb39cb.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4873_zps4ffb39cb.jpg.html)
to close, just arrived by the skilled hands of doug ....
4872(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4872_zps1a637f00.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4872_zps1a637f00.jpg.html)
definitely wasted, for this model, but I could not resist! ;D ;D ;D
regards, p. ;)
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I like the drain holes :)
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thanks, bo!
today I'm almost satisfied about what I've done. maybe it's an effect of the too much focusing at, or the "cockroach syndrome"... let's have a look:
see the space between the spinner and fuselage?
(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/Schermata2013-05-11a145214_zpscd8d42fc.png) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/Schermata2013-05-11a145214_zpscd8d42fc.png.html)
here, in fact. the model does not have it. indeed.
here I have a good amount of fuselage walls thinned out, but not enough, apparently. and it is also all wrong, damn...
4878(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4878_zps8e2d811d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4878_zps8e2d811d.jpg.html)
and then I've also reduced the spinner itself.
4880(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4880_zps45487b7f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4880_zps45487b7f.jpg.html)
then giving it a coat of dark gray and hairspray and salt ... why?
therefore. we know that before going to the richtofen's jasta, the voss's plane had the spinner black. changing group, it become red to conform to colour in use there. in the same period where added the heart on the back of the fuselage, and was issued a new upper wing, the one with the offset radiator.
all this to say that I wanted to make a red below the black, so well dark. and some hairspray and salt to achieve a well worn spinner, as I like it!
4893(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4893_zps22379917.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4893_zps22379917.jpg.html)
waiting for the black and the salt dry, I put a little 'decals and other PE. we finally get to see something done!
4881(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4881_zps6e16db10.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4881_zps6e16db10.jpg.html)
at the end, after too many tests, I used eduard's PE for the side air intakes,
4886(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4886_zpsb4e8845f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4886_zpsb4e8845f.jpg.html)
and two of the ones I had very carefully removed from the fuselage before rescribe the panels for the two on the canopy, as said some pages ago.
4885(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4885_zpsd01dfc5a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4885_zpsd01dfc5a.jpg.html)
ah, well, yes, I also painted the engine cover and added the muffler ... and also practically the spandaus, even if they are not yet bonded.
4899(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4899_zps3abbf42d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4899_zps3abbf42d.jpg.html)
we were talking about the red ... I'm trying to make the third heart different from the two sides. by now I darkened the one on the back, then I'll try to lighten the sides ones. ready? anesthesia, air, color, action! ;D
4892(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4892_zpsf4503b1e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4892_zpsf4503b1e.jpg.html)
and here we are. the color balance (white behind, green and red front) seems to me to hold ... we will see with wings!
4903(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4903_zpsd330ca81.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4903_zpsd330ca81.jpg.html)
yes, but the gap fuselage-spinner? here it is:
4904(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4904_2_zps19bf8d5f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4904_2_zps19bf8d5f.jpg.html)
et voila. for once I'm satisfied with what has been done today. yes, it is dark, and the best is yet to come, but you know, every cockroach is beautiful, to the eyes of his mother! ;D ;D ;D
4906(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4906_zps81665692.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4906_zps81665692.jpg.html)
bye, p. ;)
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I love the detail and your weathering.
Superf stuff... congrats. Can hardly wait to see it when it's done!
Cheers
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Love the spinner, Paolo!
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Whow! Looks very good.
How is the fit of the lower wing on Your kit? I'm afraid that I have to putty these area on my Albatros. I think I would glue the wing first and then painting and decaling.
One question: Were the additional air vents on Voss's machine the same as on the nose sides?
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Splendido!
Beautiful work, P!
Von Buckle ;)
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It looks great! You have really made the fuselage look
first-rate! I look forward to the rest of your splendid
build.
Best Regards,
Ernie
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It looks superb to me. I'm glad you stuck with the Voss scheme. However I don't think the shape of your rudder looks quite right? :o
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Wow a huge jump forward - and with the decals on the wood doesnt seem as dark. Great work!!!
Steve
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thank you all, I'm glad you like it!
...me too, I must admit ... ;D
soren, there aren't medals with a single face!
I preferred leave the lower wing to be glued after in order to better handle the fuselage. I left the adjacent panels without decals to work then, which anyway will be difficult, I know... it was just an option I choose.
the joint between the two sides is not the best, I worked before painting hoping to get an acceptable result then. I might say that fairings will help to cover some the things.
4916(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4916_zps1f3dea04.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4916_zps1f3dea04.jpg.html)
4917(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4917_zps8da2da11.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4917_zps8da2da11.jpg.html)
4918(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4918_zpsdff1c6d8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4918_zpsdff1c6d8.jpg.html)
for the air vents, the answer is ... I do not know! by the only photo I found is not given to understand if they were of the same type. I decided so for simplicity. ;)
bo, what question is that?? I copied the rudder from the original drawings ... perhaps the angle of the photo is unfavorable? I hope so, because I really wan't to do it again! :o
I'm somewhat stopped, waiting for the colors to paint the wings, just working with sandpaper to achieve the right shape and deep on the added wings ribs, but I'm a bit worried about the wings and landing gear struts... they seems so flimsy, compared with the total weight of the model!
...any ideas about?
best, p. :)
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bo, what question is that?? I copied the rudder from the original drawings ... perhaps the angle of the photo is unfavorable? I hope so, because I really wan't to do it again!
Please don't shoot the messenger... but also don't worry, RB will say you can't trust these plans :D
(http://i1255.photobucket.com/albums/hh640/UncleTony1917/mc65_zps3055a8d5.jpg)
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Just an opinionated comment here. I am glad you chose to go on with the Voss Markings because after all of your weathering and decals applied it doesn't look dark at all to me! Your close up photos look great and that says a lot about the quality of your work !
RAGIII
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The model it's going great.
About the rudder, i don't know what your information source is... but i guess Bo it's right.
An image (or two) speaks for a thousand words.
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/1917_Voss_MvR_Scheffer_Albatros_kh.jpg)
or, even better!
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/full-2942-13991-voss_richthofen_family_visit.jpg)
Cheers
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Only the trailing edge of the rudder was increased to have a smoother rounding. The reason was that the tubes before tended to kink when bent.
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Wow check out the white surround on the heart on the upper fuselage -- much wider than the ones on the sides...
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BbwaaAaaAargh!!
digging in the references (arrived too late, as usual) I have to face the obvious, meaning it as evidence ...
4989(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4989_zps3f091273.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4989_zps3f091273.jpg.html)
4990(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4990_zps252b8d3d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4990_zps252b8d3d.jpg.html)
hey! look at the white cross's surrounding on the rudder, here... and also the elevator. seems that the cloche it's locked in the up position, maybe with the harnesses as it's usual with light tailwheels today... interesting.
and, man, I had not noticed the edge of the top heart!!! bo, you're priceless! I owe you a beer for the rudder, and at least two for the heart! but we must scale the account of my psychoanalyst ... ;)
meanwhile, colors are arrived. inspected by the expert here.
are misterkit ones, anyone has experience with these?
4985(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4985_zps50c972ba.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4985_zps50c972ba.jpg.html)
well, now I could make some tests, but I have a pending rudder, and I also have to baby-sit the little ... ::)
you soon p.
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All my latest WW1 models are painted with MisterKit colors.
After thining them a bit they go just fine. Leave Tamiya thinner aside please. They go just like vallejo paints.
About your model there's one other thing that guys didn't notest (or did you?).
I don't know how important that is to you mc65, but if you take a look to the left side of the fuselage near the cockpit there's no weight "plate"(?).
Cheers.
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nooo-oh! not another mistake... :o
let's do like that: in the FCM sheet there is a weight plate, so... and, after all, it's so nice! ;D ;D ;D
well, how about this?
5013(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5013_zps593fab51.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5013_zps593fab51.jpg.html)
mmmh, there is some distorsion, in the picture... here.
5014(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5014_zpsa5c9a564.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5014_zpsa5c9a564.jpg.html)
oh, I did the tailskid with a piece of walnut. here a try. somehow, it "works", having used elastic thread.
5017
(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5017_zpsd6d06027.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5017_zpsd6d06027.jpg.html)
I'm sure enough about the rudder's internal ribs: the two lower are parallel.... or not?
5018(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5018_zps1830958f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5018_zps1830958f.jpg.html)
I wished sandpaper all the wings surface, but I was somehow impeded...
5004(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/varie/IMG_5004_zps91fe9443.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/varie/IMG_5004_zps91fe9443.jpg.html)
bye bye, p ;)
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I like it the weight plate too ;) and the rudder it's looking fine!
To this modeler acknowledgment... yes, the intermal lower ribs of the rudder are parallel.
Here, a little hard to see but with a nice look you may note the internal structure.
(http://media.iwm.org.uk/iwm/mediaLib/194/media-194050/mid.jpg)
If u have Albatros Fighters (the datafile special) the above picture it's in the back cover of the book.
Cheers
P.S: the cat it's so sweet!!
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one step forward, two steps back ... who said that? ::)
the step forward. rudder Mk II
5054(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5054_zpsb58372de.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5054_zpsb58372de.jpg.html)
but the drawing seems a bit too pointed at the top, to me...
5057(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5057_zps96629824.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5057_zps96629824.jpg.html)
and here the two steps back...put, remove, put, remove, put, remove, put... $ T = 90% NLIHk * is * ç! >:( >:( >:(
5058(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5058_zpsde533d50.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5058_zpsde533d50.jpg.html)
here it is, with softened curve... and now pause.
5062(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5062_zpsf9ee40bf.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5062_zpsf9ee40bf.jpg.html)
to the votes! ;)
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Paolo I will voice a comment on the rudder...now remember
I am a novice compared to yourself, but to my highly untrained
eye, the radius of the top-rear curve of the rudder still seems a
bit sharp. It seems to me it should be a little gentler curve.
Having said that, I think you are really making a splendid
model and I look forward to your next updates. Keep up the
good work!
Cheers,
Ernie
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yep, ernie, thank you for appreciation and help... you're right to me!
I scaled down these two images, and it's evident the difference. also, it seems to me that the tail's forward part it's different, too!!
4989_2(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4989_2_zpsfefff51a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_4989_2_zpsfefff51a.jpg.html)
5062_2(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5062_2_zps6216ff6a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5062_2_zps6216ff6a.jpg.html)
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I would soften the curve a little bit more, but hey...i'm a braille modeler and it's so hard to opine such a nice work and skilled modeler!
But well an honest opinion it's just that i guess.
Cheers
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Looks very close to me. A matter of just how picky you want to be. 8)
RAGIII
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well...
seen the work (and the damage) I've done so far, the closest we get, the better!
here is the Mk III ..
5073(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5073_zps4459af6c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5073_zps4459af6c.jpg.html)
and some work before starting to paint the wings.
5074(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5074_zps72a53ca9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5074_zps72a53ca9.jpg.html)
structures are so thin that I fear will collapse under the weight of the model. at the suggestion of doug I inserted pins (brass, steel I have not found) of 0.4. trying to save the original plastic pins.
5084(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5084_zps3110b73e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5084_zps3110b73e.jpg.html)
and made some passing holes in the wings.
5078(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5078_zpsa411e14c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5078_zpsa411e14c.jpg.html)
should hold.... I hope!
5079(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5079_zpsfae69992.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5079_zpsfae69992.jpg.html)
now I should sand all the ribs, but I must also prepare for the luggage, tomorrow morning I leave for seven days out...
5076(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5076_zpsfed59bab.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5076_zpsfed59bab.jpg.html)
soon, p. ;)
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Looks good Paolo. I think I would try decal strips as rip tapes. It was only a layer of fabric. And fabric is not very thick.
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hi soren, thank you!
decal stripes... sounds good... I want try to sand the mine almost to zero, then will see with a coat of primer. here a first approach on the lower wing. still plenty to do, sure.
5094(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5094_zps42a43f12.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5094_zps42a43f12.jpg.html)
5095(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5095_zps17708de9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5095_zps17708de9.jpg.html)
and some retouching on hearts, yet to refine, too.
after darkening the top one, I enlarged the white surrounding, and lightened those on sides.
5096(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5096_zps433c0454.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5096_zps433c0454.jpg.html)
5097(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5097_zps9b32d841.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5097_zps9b32d841.jpg.html)
5098(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5098_zps4e709264.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5098_zps4e709264.jpg.html)
5100(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5100_zps47e14b88.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5100_zps47e14b88.jpg.html)
well, for the moment it's all, read you next week!
bye, p. ;)
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Your fuselage looks great, Paolo! Am anxious
to see how the wings turn out. I think I would
go the decal route for the rib tapes as well, but I'm
curious to see how you make out. With your talent
I don't see a bad outcome.
Cheers,
Ernie
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Beautiful work.
A tip for the rib tapeing if you want to try.
Use the decal strips (I used WNW ribtapes but before you place them run a rivet punch wheel hard down the centres of each rib to force the plastic to bulge upward into tiny peaks (mini volcano's) then tape over without sanding the bumps down.
It can give a subtle impression of stitching/nailing and costs nothing but patience and a little blood if you run your fingertips over.
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d190/kornbeef/DII/DII78.jpg) (http://s35.photobucket.com/user/kornbeef/media/DII/DII78.jpg.html)
You can see the effect just to the right of the radiator on the upper wing of my DII (OAW) conversion I made out of the Roden/Encore kit to give you an idea of how it looks.
Keith
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Lovely!
I used decal strips in my Fokker D.VII, but it's a small scale to try this method.
Looking forward to see how your ribs will come out, but your a skilled modeler so i know that they are going to be first class!
Cheers
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The sanding process is going to be a challenge. Even pressure is the key I'd say or youre going to have wavy gravy tapes.
Steve
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I cant say enough about how good the fuselage looks! As for the tapes, it seems you are committed to the plastic so careful sanding will hopefully bring it all together!
RAGIII
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Thank you all, I finally got back to the bench! :D
keith, great idea! but I had glued the ribs of plasticard. I give up stitching effect on this model, I think... ???
little upgrading:after sanding until I come tennis elbow, I realized that the best way to lower ribs was to use a round blade, and only after sanding.. :o
then, after a primer coat, I started to mask the wings. tons of tape!
5437(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5437_zps6a4766f0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5437_zps6a4766f0.jpg.html)
the idea was to achieve a triple sandwich of layers: base of the wing (shadowed) crossmembers (light) ribs (lighter). so, with light coats of dark grey... oooooooops, not so light! :o
5438(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5438_zps5f25b0f8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5438_zps5f25b0f8.jpg.html)
here softening the shadows with several layers of highly diluited white and a drop of radome tan.
5445(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5445_zpsb2f0503d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5445_zpsb2f0503d.jpg.html)
pulled away the tape, I started to differentiate the top wing from the lower and the ailerons.
5446(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5446_zps8a65d8f4.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5446_zps8a65d8f4.jpg.html)
the idea is to achieve a low wing faded, and a top one almost new, with old ailerons.
5447(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5447_zps4c8956e1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5447_zps4c8956e1.jpg.html)
Unfortunately, between idea and action passes an abyss ... to figure out what I'm up really, I gave a coat of light blue and a subsequent spots of the same color lightened.
5448(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5448_zps1c676b03.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5448_zps1c676b03.jpg.html)
while the base satisfies me, more or less, with the final color I'm not convinced ... ideas?
5452(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5452_zps0cc60de9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5452_zps0cc60de9.jpg.html)
actually, something is missing, but I do not know what! go to washing and oils could solve ... or not! :o
5453(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5453_zpsfc5d5808.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5453_zpsfc5d5808.jpg.html)
Another question I have, is whether to use the decals for the two white bands on the upper wing, or paint them ... to the vote, to the vote! ;D
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Paolo, this has been and continues to be a superbly instructive build.
The way you guys throw around suggestions and change things scares the #$&^ out of me!
Beautiful work and thankyou ;)
Andrew
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Hi Paulo.
All that sanding paid off, you must have superfit fingers now. Roden's decals have never had a good reputation so I'd be inclined to Use WNW national markings if if you have them floating anywhere. I think I'd paint the background field on the wings in that case.
Andrew yes that's why I love this site of Des's, It's the willingness to offer help, suggestions and support that makes it special. ;D
Keith
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Looks superb Paolo.
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Fantastic!!!!
Adam.
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:o Fantastic!!
Cof... cof... paint!? :-X
Beautifull work!
Cheers.
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Wonderful work Paolo.Very inspirational!
Grtz
Flip
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Wonderful work Paolo.Very inspirational!
Grtz
Flip
Plus 1! Terrific results!!
RAGIII
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You had a ton of sanding Paolo, but you pulled it off.
Wings look great! Thanks for the update.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello Paolo:
This is coming along nicely. Once you are commited to the plastic strips for the ribbing you managed to pull it off nicely.
I especially like your work on the fuselage and the tail surfaces. Looks the business.
Best
Mark
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thank you all, gents!
after some considering about how to go ahead, I jumped in another mask session, this time less complicated:
5496(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5496_zpsdc3c0f82.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5496_zpsdc3c0f82.jpg.html)
it's worth to note that attaching the new mask before detaching the complementary is fundamental to follow the curves.
5498(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5498_zps3cf85355.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5498_zps3cf85355.jpg.html)
et voilà! where I made a mess with ribs, added some patches done with masking tape. mmmmmmmh... maybe I should have made all the ribs with tape, it looks pretty on scale!!
5500(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5500_zpsfdfab492.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5500_zpsfdfab492.jpg.html)
patches retouched "ton sur ton" and very light washing.
5504(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5504_zps048c0ec1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5504_zps048c0ec1.jpg.html)
and here after a session of oil dots.
5507(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5507_zps4876708b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5507_zps4876708b.jpg.html)
same story with the underside. here just the left has been worked, just to see the difference.
5505(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5505_zps9eba3c33.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5505_zps9eba3c33.jpg.html)
oil everywhere, and decals.
5508(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5508_zps35841aa6.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5508_zps35841aa6.jpg.html)
comments/suggestions/doubts/crisis/anxiety are welcomed, I'm not sure that's the right way...
bye, p. ;)
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Lovely...
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Looks terrific, nicely done!
Cheers,
Lance
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A lot of hard work, but it sure paid off, Paolo. The wings look
terrific! The colours are great. Well done!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Superb work in those wings.
First class!
Cheers
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Beautiful work on the painting and representation of the camo and rib tapes!
RAGIII
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thank you all very much...
actually, looking closely, it is not a first class work (nor second, also...)
5524(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5524_zpsb79ec9db.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5524_zpsb79ec9db.jpg.html)
5525(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5525_zpsf4635d9a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5525_zpsf4635d9a.jpg.html)
today a little upgrading. glued on the lower wing and the fairings.
5517(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5517_zps9fe77409.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5517_zps9fe77409.jpg.html)
5518(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5518_zps02d1406c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5518_zps02d1406c.jpg.html)
a nightmare, to align and lock all properly... wnw, where are you???
5519(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5519_zps9a18a3fd.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5519_zps9a18a3fd.jpg.html)
tomorrow I'll start to correct with colors and decals those last panels.
at now, just restored the tail.
5523(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5523_zpsaf4a09b7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5523_zpsaf4a09b7.jpg.html)
interesting to see how much changes it with and without the last coat of future + white!
bye bye, p. ;)
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It's really taking shape now, Paolo. I have to say
the close-up photos of the fuselage have me just
drooling! What a gorgeous model! Looking forward
to your next update.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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thank you, ernie!
...and here is the update!
not to much, today... I just put the few wood decals remaining, and played a little with PE and oils in the ventral area.
I decided to leave the central panel in lighter color, just to test the difference.
5539(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5539_zpsf902aa7f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5539_zpsf902aa7f.jpg.html)
needless to say, now I'm not convinced at all about...
5542(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5542_zps6a560c6a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5542_zps6a560c6a.jpg.html)
i added some oils also on the fuselage's sides.
5535(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5535_zpse9f1f07e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5535_zpse9f1f07e.jpg.html)
5538(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5538_zpscb8d286b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5538_zpscb8d286b.jpg.html)
and started to work with landing gear struts. the next step will be the upper wing, but I want a gear that will snap in at first attempt, when will be his time!
metal reinforcements and copper secondary axle.
5548(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5548_zps5d28a3b9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5548_zps5d28a3b9.jpg.html)
5546(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5546_zps1886ffd8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5546_zps1886ffd8.jpg.html)
abviously, I dont'have at home a brass tube of the right size of the main axle... uff.
5545(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5545_zpsc43b3bf6.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5545_zpsc43b3bf6.jpg.html)
and stress test. it seems strong enough!
5543(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5543_zps9d854860.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5543_zps9d854860.jpg.html)
tomorrow I'll go to disassemble all the pens that I'll find at home to find the right tube.... finger crossed!
cheers, p. ;)
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Your Albatros it's an art work!
Fantastic. The wood effect it's perfect imo and the overall weathering and look of the model it's superb.
Hey Paolo... try to stay out of your electrical home wiring ;D !
Cheeers
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Check your references, I don't think Voss's D.III had the airfoil fairing on the axle.
Edit: never mind, it appears that it did (I couldn't find the photo.)
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...er...
I'm carrying on assuming it has not the airfoil fairing on the landing gear! :o :o
otherwise I'd use the kit one, instead to search everywhere a substitute.. ::)
so? fairing yes, fairing not, this is the question.... ;D ;D ;D
another non-secondary question is about the wheels's colour: black or....?
thanks for the help, anyway. the doubt is the basis of knowledge. :)
little upgrading, meanwhile:
ailerons underside.
5555(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5555_zps3604445c.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5555_zps3604445c.jpg.html)
beginning of restoring the tail..
5558(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5558_zps4b98617a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5558_zps4b98617a.jpg.html)
and all the struts. phew!
5564(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5564_zps572b5bb5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5564_zps572b5bb5.jpg.html)
I would like to go ahead, but tomorrow I'll have an early wake up, so better have some rest...
to the next,
cheers, p.
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...er...
I'm carrying on assuming it has not the airfoil fairing on the landing gear! :o :o
otherwise I'd use the kit one, instead to search everywhere a substitute.. ::)
Go back a few pages and have a look at the photos Zabu posted. I'd say it is pretty clear that there is a fairing.
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mmmmmmmh... It's not so clear, to me! I see just a reflection of light over a curve horizontal profile... ??? ::)
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I'm really enjoying this build, Paolo. You're doing beautiful work on this kit.
Dal.
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Enjoying this build as well. Love the color variations!
Keep 'm posted Paolo :-)
Grtz
Flip
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mmmmmmmh... It's not so clear, to me! I see just a reflection of light over a curve horizontal profile... ??? ::)
Hmmmm. You are right, I misread the black rectangle under the axle -- it's the ground. I'm back to saying no fairing ;)
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thank you all, it's a pleasure to share here!
ok, bo... so I'm back at digging around searching to a suitable axle! ::)
but tomorrow I'll go downtown, maybe, who knows.... (where is the emoticon with the fingers crossed??)
time to sleep, and I mean now! ;D
bye bye, p.
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Paolo, there are no ventilation slots on the bottom of the fuselage between the lower wings.
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...er...
I'm carrying on assuming it has not the airfoil fairing on the landing gear! :o :o
otherwise I'd use the kit one, instead to search everywhere a substitute.. ::)
Go back a few pages and have a look at the photos Zabu posted. I'd say it is pretty clear that there is a fairing.
Bo, I don't usually argue the finer points but.... only OAW built DIIIs had the fairing. Not on the Voss DIII in either version
RAGIII
PS: In the original B&W photo I see a lot of the same dark shadow above and below the bar/axle. On the cleaned up colorized version only the bottom has been removed. I will stand with my brash statement, Only OAW had the fairing ::)
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PS: In the original B&W photo I see a lot of the same dark shadow above and below the bar/axle. On the cleaned up colorized version only the bottom has been removed. I will stand with my brash statement, Only OAW had the fairing ::)
I agree. Sorry for stirring up confusion ...
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no prob, bo. I prefer to cultivate more doubts than certainties... ;) and, all in all, we are here to discuss about!
moreover, as we see going ahead, every day it's a surprise! soren, are you surr about the slots? that means redo the ventral panel... but, may be a good occasion to change the panel's colour.
When I'll be back at home. today will be a loooong journey, and has already started uphill....
cheers, p. ;)
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Yes, I´m sure. Roden has only copied the mistake from the sketches in the Windsock Datafiles. At this position the backing plates to the rudder pedals and the pulleys should be.
Check the pics I´ve given to You! ;)
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Paolo,
Outstanding works my friend. Love that wood work and her additional details that truly make this Albatros stand out.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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oooooookay... removed the vents, without marring the panel beneath. strange! ::)
this eve I started to paint the upper wing. the idea was to achieve a totally different shades of colours, being the upper wing brand new.
5620(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5620_zpsf3044f09.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5620_zpsf3044f09.jpg.html)
HM. the brown requires more attentions... but I think I somehow reached differences with the lower wing:
5612(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5612_zpsc217c009.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5612_zpsc217c009.jpg.html)
also comparing with ailerons....
5613(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5613_zps1702b9f3.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5613_zps1702b9f3.jpg.html)
5614(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5614_zps0800ef87.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5614_zps0800ef87.jpg.html)
the same, less evident, with the ventral areas.
5616(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5616_zps48299d0a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5616_zps48299d0a.jpg.html)
well, I think it's a decent start, tomorrow, maybe, we'll see some improvements..
cheers, p. ;)
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It's quite possible to see the diference between the colors of the lower and upper wing and between the left aileron and the upper wing too. They all have diferent tones. The same with the under surfaces of both wings.
Amazing job mc65.
cheers
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Your method of painting tonal differences is very
realistic, Paolo. Just out of curiosity, what paint brand
have your used for the wings?
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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thank you very much, I appreciate... :)
ernie,
the basic colours are mr. kit:
http://www.misterkit.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=85_43&PHPSESSID=c7b5l9e98nnl0slslknb31n5i3
I used the "albatros serie", but modified them a little with vallejo. I used green, red and blue, basically, to have a dark shade on the upper wing. instead on the lower I used pink and white to achieve lighter tones.
it was the first try with these acrilics, and I'm satisfied. they are really matt and able to cover the primer with just one passage. actually I thinned them with glass cleaner (vetril) to not obliterate the previous preshading work.
also, they are pretty sturdy: to retouch the ribs I had to use adhesive tape again and again and again, and... again without make any damage!
here a little advancing. retouched the ribs on brown section (again!) white bands, some little adjustment, future cover, decals, future sealing passage.
5621(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5621_zpsf03e1d5d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5621_zpsf03e1d5d.jpg.html)
5625(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5625_zps27f67d33.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5625_zps27f67d33.jpg.html)
when the future will be dry, I'll start with washings and weathering.
and now, the day's poll:
I think to achieve a matt and faded lower wing, against a satin and new upper... sounds logical?
greetings, p. ;)
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Gorgeous painting Paolo. To answer the poll, I think I would
have the top wing more faded than the lower one, if only for
the reason it is more open to the elements and not shaded.
Looking forward to more of the build!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hmm... i'll help a little bit more in this poll.
I do agree with Ernie... if the wings were both the "original" wings. But being the top wing a "new" one i guess that satin goes great to achieve that "new" status look.
Ty! ;D ;D
The model it's looking great Paolo! Sorry if this Paulo messed thing up a little bit for you! ;D
Cheers
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:-[Oh good grief, Paolo I totally missed the fact that
the top wing is "new"! Of course you are right with
your decision regarding painting. I must be getting old. ;D
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Zabu
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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don't worry, ernie...
I think I'm a little cahotic, with my ideas!
here we are:
wing satin, ailerons matt finish.
then oil dots on the upper wing and ailerons.
5642(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5642_zpse65a6ad0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5642_zpse65a6ad0.jpg.html)
but just to "move" the surface, actually I wipe away the most (except on ailerons)
5654(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5654_zpsfe33f125.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5654_zpsfe33f125.jpg.html)
trying to exasperating the difference between old and new parts, I weathered heavily the undersurface.
5659
(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5659_zps536ec7d8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5659_zps536ec7d8.jpg.html)
letting the mud "climb" on lower fuselage sides.
5660(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5660_zps9ce872e7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5660_zps9ce872e7.jpg.html)
and on the tail, sure. I tried to reproduce the heavy stains from engine exaust on the tail's right side.
5665(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5665_zpsfb181671.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5665_zpsfb181671.jpg.html)
I don't know... it is easy to go along and exaggerate, I'll wait to have fresh eyes before add anything.
5666(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5666_zpsc97b7b6e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5666_zpsc97b7b6e.jpg.html)
5668(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5668_zpsbdda28bc.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5668_zpsbdda28bc.jpg.html)
the goal is to guess the right balance considering the aircraft as a whole, and, er, ehm... I'm not able to say if it's ok, now!
my idea is to have an old, operative machine with a brand new wing on.
and of course, I'll put her on a grass field, so also that is to be considered, in terms of contrast and visual impact.
5669(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5669_zpsaa571c67.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5669_zpsaa571c67.jpg.html)
better you check your six, dear...
this point of view is inspiring me: one of the next crafts will have someone at controls, and will be taking off!!
5675(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5675_zps3c2a42d1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5675_zps3c2a42d1.jpg.html)
to not leave you without the poll of the day, ladies and gentleman,
the gaspatch air speed indicator (under painting and construction). a gem!
5653(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5653_zps56fb5850.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5653_zps56fb5850.jpg.html)
but, where I'll put it? no signs of it in the pictures of the voss's machine!
bye, p. ;)
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That is superb weahering Paolo! She looks real, and quite dirty. ;D Very well done. I love it! :D
Regards,
Bob
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uh...weathering! I should use the preview feature more often. ;)
Great job, Paolo!
Bob
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You are doing a superb job with your painting techniques and weathering Paolo, it certainly looks like a well used machine with some new parts added, well done.
Des.
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Paolo,
You are continuing to show just how beautiful a Roden kit can be when built by a craftsman and Artist! WOW!
RAGIII
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Excellent weathering Paolo, the work on the tail with the exhaust staining, etc is wonderful :)
Andrew
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Paolo! It looks incredible! I've got this kit in the stash and this will be the build to follow.
Lindsay
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well...
thank you all, I hope to be of some help to whom want to assemble this kite... lindsay, I suggest to do a proper chamomile stock, you'll need at tons!
tomorrow I leave for some days on duty, and I wanted to close the wings, in order to let them dry alone... so, i prepared the last items to be locked before:
the windscreen,
5684(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5684_zpse623a4ec.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5684_zpse623a4ec.jpg.html)
some turnbuckles from gaspatch I wanted to try,
5698(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5698_zps6858d607.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5698_zps6858d607.jpg.html)
the wing radiator, and all the moorings with bob's buckles,
5686(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5686_zpsceb835d2.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5686_zpsceb835d2.jpg.html)
then a last dry fit test,
5680(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5680_zpsa99b64d0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5680_zpsa99b64d0.jpg.html)
5679(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5679_zps5ce4e855.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5679_zps5ce4e855.jpg.html)
and here we go.
BUT
chicken who is born, is agreed that scratch about! >:(
I managed to invert the main struts. so in the process of deglue and reglue them it came out a f***khjmcko,ççàé**ing mess.
moreover, the internal struts, those on the fuselage, are nearly impossible to align properly, not talking to glue them, with their stupid, little, short, non angled tabs!
in the process I realized that a couple of brass pins holes where in the wrong position, so I had no choice but use massive amount of glue. I hate that, and was near to throw all from the window, for her first and very last flight!
after a countless number of blasphemies, curses, and profanity which prevent me from see heaven forever, I arrived here:
5690(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5690_zps99a96de0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5690_zps99a96de0.jpg.html)
ugly blobs of glue are all around, and there is nothing I can do to disguise them.
5693(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5693_zps12eabb1d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5693_zps12eabb1d.jpg.html)
5694(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5694_zpsa9eb0245.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5694_zpsa9eb0245.jpg.html)
to fix the internal struts where the pins were unusable, I found nothing better than use thin fishing line...
5697(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5697_zps6352b2fb.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5697_zps6352b2fb.jpg.html)
and that's all. now rests on blocks waiting for the unwrapping moment, where we'll see if it holds...
5703(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5703_zps41b31b67.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5703_zps41b31b67.jpg.html)
though I think this should be my space to relax, it makes me scream ... and considering that I have two other roden that I promised to do on the shelf, I might as well begin to pack for the hell of the modeller!
greetings from un upset mc. :o
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Paolo, don't feel bad. I'm having almost the same troubles
as you...as a matter of fact we should get together over a
beer and compare swear words! I'm so far in the dog house
with the Lord I would probably need absolution from the Pope
to get out of this one. ;)
Aside from that, your model is still absolutely wonderful, pimples
and all. And that's a good idea with the tape strips to hold everything.
Thanks for the tip!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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mc65,
Paolo, don't be so hard on yourself, those Roden Kits can be a real challenge and they take a lot for granted. Your work is spectacular, so don't consider a "first and last flight scenario!!" I built this Kit a few years back and when it came to mounting that top wing two things saved the day. First, a Biplane Assembly Jig; there are several on the market and they are invaluable when used with other then the precisely engineered kits. Mine is a version that used to be produced by Aeroclub in the UK. don't know if it's still available but there are others on the market.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/IMG_03521-1.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/IMG_03521-1.jpg.html)
and the DIII in the jig;
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/IMG_03951.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/IMG_03951.jpg.html)
The Jig not only supports and contains your Model, it also allows you to set the desired "Stagger" on the wings (Angle the top wing (Normally) leans ahead of the lower wing.
Before you mount the top wing with the help of the jig consider a simple template to ensure the angle and spacing on the Cabane Struts matches the upper wing attachment points. Just use your upper wing "holes" as the pattern, drill corresponding holes in the template (I use sheet styrene) and be very attentive to the angle between the fuselage center line or axis and the centre line of the wing when viewed from above. This will get around the lack of solid mounts that ensure the alignment of the struts. Even if I don't use the Jig on assembly I always use the template for the cabanes, even on the seemingly perfect Kits like Wingnut Wings.
(http://i1141.photobucket.com/albums/n583/lcarroll1/IMG_03891.jpg) (http://s1141.photobucket.com/user/lcarroll1/media/IMG_03891.jpg.html)
Hope this helps, there are others here who may use different methods and certainly better ones.
......and again, nice work!
Cheers,
Lance
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Paolo, as the builder you know every little error and mistake you made- and you see them every time you look at the model. To an observer who has been watching your build, they see a superbly-built and finished model. And we can barely see the mistakes you try to point out.
You've done a fantastic job, mate. And I. for one, have found your build log very helpful. I'll definitely use it when I start my Roden D.III.
Cheers.
Dal.
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Paolo, as the builder you know every little error and mistake you made- and you see them every time you look at the model. To an observer who has been watching your build, they see a superbly-built and finished model. And we can barely see the mistakes you try to point out.
You've done a fantastic job, mate. And I. for one, have found your build log very helpful. I'll definitely use it when I start my Roden D.III.
Cheers.
Dal.
Make that 2 that have found your Blog informative! I have actually built this kit and the DI . Like you mine came close to Flying. On the positive side, the DI wing is an easy deal if you ever build one. That Pylon in the center balances the wing making it easy to add the interplane struts ;D
RAGIII
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Hi Paolo! I'm glad you didn't went for it "first and last flight".
What you did so far it's much above of that issue, but i do understand all the cursing and who knows maybe He understands it too!
Cheers
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Don't stress out Paolo! She's coming along nicely. I've made a lot of real clankers in all of my builds and just like you, I always point them out for others to see. To my way of thinking, that's what makes a build log valuable to other members. Keep your nose to the grindstone and you'll end up with a great looking model.
Cheers,
Chris
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back home!
thank you all, I needed some encouragement...
lance, you tip to align the struts it's genial, I'll adopt it in the next buildings, thank you very much! ;)
I unpacked the wings sceptically, but, hey, seems hold! :o
in a flash of enthusiasm, I wired the wirable, and added the water pipes.
5729(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5729_zps683d4c7d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5729_zps683d4c7d.jpg.html)
I suspect I did something wrong... but now I'm too tired ti verify, tomorrow, maybe...
5735(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5735_zpsae7a2509.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5735_zpsae7a2509.jpg.html)
I did the pipes with brass wire, and the connections with heat shrink tubing.
5736(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5736_zpsf5f18c8f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5736_zpsf5f18c8f.jpg.html)
it seems not too bad, to me...
5732(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5732_zps6d4ac09e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5732_zps6d4ac09e.jpg.html)
and now, I need some sleep. I think I'll go immediately to bZZZZZZZ. ;D
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Paolo,
Spectacular follow up, I really like the way you used the shrink wrap on the plumbing joints.......Genius!!
Keep up the really great work, you've got a real winner coming along here.
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi,
Viewing photos and model looks like a real plane. On some photos indistinguishable from reality. I noticed one thing though. Cross on the top wing power coins. Will is somehow suppressed, or leave as is?
Cheers,
Vladimir
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Great build Paolo,very impressive finish.
Cheers
Pete.
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Paolo.
Your struggle with fitting the upper wing is impressive. For me it is a great challenge, also.
Adam.
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I don't know what else I can say Paolo, other
than she's beautiful. Your skills amaze me and
inspire me to try new and bigger things.
Thank you, my friend. :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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thanks... too gentle! ::)
today a little improvements before returning on duty.
at last I found the right tube to do the wheels's axle:
5738(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5738_2_zps1f68ee33.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5738_2_zps1f68ee33.jpg.html)
should go like that...
5741(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5741_zpsd4a03704.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5741_zpsd4a03704.jpg.html)
I just cut it and do some roundels. this night maybe I'll adjust and glue all.
5739(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5739_2_zps9a719e95.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5739_2_zps9a719e95.jpg.html)
5743(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5743_2_zpsd988f614.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5743_2_zpsd988f614.jpg.html)
in parallel, I worked on the ASI and its mount. here some gyzmo..
5745(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5745_zps35ac8345.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5745_zps35ac8345.jpg.html)
5750(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5750_2_zpsa573bade.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5750_2_zpsa573bade.jpg.html)
well, it's all, for now.
Vladimir, I don't understand what you mean... maybe the locks of the struts on the upper wing? I added them! but if they seems too prominent, I may reduce or pull them off...
5747(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5747_zpsc037d717.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5747_zpsc037d717.jpg.html)
time to go.
bye, p. ;)
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Paolo,
Stunning progress my friend. Very impressive work on her new legs. Looking forward to seeing more later,until then keep up the outstanding work.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Where did You see an angemietet on Voss's Albatros? The oval hatches on the weelcovers are only correct für O.A.W. What You need are squared hatches. Also the splint in the wheel is wrong.
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Hello,
I was thinking of the Iron Cross, the power of mint. Otherwise, the work is impressive
Cheers,
Vladimir
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er... uh? ???
I must admit that I'm exausted, it was a very long and hot day, but I don't understand vladimir, nor soren!
soren, what do you mean with "angemietet", and "the splint in the wheel"? anyway, you are deep right about the wheels, I have the right ones ready to be installed on the axle (wich is too wide, I discovered).
here, with eduard square covers on the hatches.
3305(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3305_zpsea7ea7b0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_3305_zpsea7ea7b0.jpg.html)
also, I found that almost all the rigging it's mistaken: on the voss's aircraft from the front cowling depart two cables, and I put just one. but the bigger fault is on the ailerons: it seems from the pictures that the command wires go straight down from the ailerons to the lower wing. but it's totally unclear to me where they go after!
another work to redo... :-[
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MC65 You're doing great work there
Ref your control wires query:
The control cables drop from the aileron into the lower wing and run within behind the spar and on through the sides of the fuselage to the in the cockpit to the pulleys and control column as in the D.Va . theres access doors below the wing to facilitate connections and maintain the pulleys within the wing structure.
There is different wheels for Albatros & OAW produced aircraft not just the covers, OAW wheels were larger with wider tyres and the cross section differed, Albatros wheels were coned on the outer only where OAW were coned both sides of the wheel (I think this is what Soren means) so check your axle length isn't wrong with the correct wheels before chopping it.
Yes theres an extra wire supporting the bottom of the strut. Not so difficult to add seing what great work you have done on her so far.
Keith
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I got it, keith, thank you very much!
well. a deep breath, and a sharp blade. zac.
new wires, new life..
5763(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5763_zps626c9e35.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5763_zps626c9e35.jpg.html)
the extra one:
5766(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5766_zps0d6d3e1e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5766_zps0d6d3e1e.jpg.html)
now looks better, I hope!
5768(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5768_zps4347ef40.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5768_zps4347ef40.jpg.html)
or, at least, it's wired in the correct way...
thanks again, bye,
paolo.
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i'm out of words Paolo.
It looks like the real thing. Superb stuff. When you finish it it's going to be in my favorites.
Thx for that beauty.
Cheers.
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Sorry! Thats happens when I wrote on my handy. angemietet=Anemometer
You need a bolt which goes through a hole in the axle to hold the wheel
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Paolo,
Awesome paint and weathering my friend. Your modeling skills and high craftsmanship truly shine. I'm looking forward to seeing the full rigging.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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She really looks the business with the rigging, Paolo! Those
Gaspatch turnbuckles look right at home. Super job!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great rigging.
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I'm a big fan of your marking scheme. I really like the colours and subtle tone.
Cheers,
Chris
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As the others have said, your paint work and the rigging are awesome!
RAGIII
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thank you all, guys!
I'm pleased you like her... I'm a little puzzled bout her, but I'll keep on till the end, especially now that the upper wing is assured and firmly glued in place...
sorry for the delay in answering, it's the peak period at work, and I did not really have much time: ( :(
Soren, the anemometer on this particular plane it's a "poetic license"... I wanted to try and show on a gaspatch one, and couldn't resist to put it on! ...and I suppose that I would have some sort of indications, being in the voss's trousers.. ;D
about the bolt on (or better, in) the axle, I lost the last diopters on the few photos I have, and I think you're right:
5779(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5779_zpsb8ddb7e5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5779_zpsb8ddb7e5.jpg.html)
it seems actually a bolt with its nut... but it's a replica! in the b/n pictures can be anything..
5782(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5782_zps1644ec3f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5782_zps1644ec3f.jpg.html)
but, reasonably your pointing this out is correct. ok to nut & bolt.
next session. ;)
read you nextky, p.
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well.
if I were to give a ranking for this model I'd give it a 5. with attached comment: the boy (sic) does not apply and does not exploit its hypothetical potential. Furthermore, it is lazy and sloppy, and end up doing the same things twice to not verify the historical references. the result at the end there, but it's messed up because of the constant alterations that would easily be avoided from the outset. ::) ::) ::)
finally today I retailed a couple of hours to carry out the last little things ... the retaining cable of the spinner.
5803(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5803_zps1fb2ffed.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5803_zps1fb2ffed.jpg.html)
nothing special, rather, in my opinion mounted propeller too well highlights the fact that the fuselage and spinner do not speak very much each other! ... but I've done it, so there is!
5804(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5804_zps90c369c5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5804_zps90c369c5.jpg.html)
the thing on top of the radiator, totally absent in the kit. a piece of sprue, one of Spandau, a picture of a placard of P51, and a wire. that's it.
5813(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5813_zpse227f243.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5813_zpse227f243.jpg.html)
about the undercarriage.. a mess. Here the loop of steel cable (copper ;D) at the end of axis travel.
5797(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5797_zpsd695f642.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5797_zpsd695f642.jpg.html)
and here the damping system, let's call it. in the British aircraft were strings of rubber, in the Germans' were springs covered with soft sheaths, all covered by canvas ... but I did not resist the charm of the plot ..
5819(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5819_zps09e4ea9f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5819_zps09e4ea9f.jpg.html)
5820(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5820_zpsc819e6ac.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5820_zpsc819e6ac.jpg.html)
with its wheel in place. I'm trying to figure out the color of the tires, from the b/n pictures it seems a light grey ...
5821(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5821_zpsb2fe9014.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5821_zpsb2fe9014.jpg.html)
the whole, less the two tension rods and the washer, nut & bolt to retain the wheels.
5818(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5818_zpsa1fea748.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5818_zpsa1fea748.jpg.html)
Now if I had the physic may glue in the template with epoxy, but in fact, I've got the physic. it's from 4 of this morning I'm around, and I've lost count of the last night of proper rest to a human being...
so, goodnight! ;)
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Absolutely beautiful details. VERY IMPRESSIVE! I still have an OAW DIII to build and you have set a high bench mark!
RAGIII
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thank you, RAG...
benchmark, maybe, but I would not say high ... I'd rather would say a reference point for the approximations! ;D ;D ;D
just look at my jig to align the undercarriage... ;)
5838(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5838_zpseaeb8e14.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5838_zpseaeb8e14.jpg.html)
but, hey, it works!
5843(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5843_zps4ad16778.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5843_zps4ad16778.jpg.html)
...and holds the weight, too!!!
5844(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5844_zps18b3ac44.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5844_zps18b3ac44.jpg.html)
so, I see the light at the end of this tunnel... I just want to test some more effects on her, let see how much damage I may do? :o
day's (night's, actually) question: the wheel's colour seems acceptable?
5845(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5845_zps6645a601.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5845_zps6645a601.jpg.html)
5847(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5847_zps0b950ef8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5847_zps0b950ef8.jpg.html)
cheers, p. ;)
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Paolo, she looks superb! You are to be commended for the
model you have made. I particularly like the work you have done
on the undercarriage....it looks perfect, although it looks like you
may have borrowed some of Mrs. P's fettuccine. ;)
Seriously Paolo, it's a marvelous build. Thanks for sharing it.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Your build is Outstanding inside and out! I am looking forward to seeing that Voss figure painted!
RAGIII
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Please can you explain how you attach the rigging (fishing line) to the Gaspatch turnbuckles .
Are you tying a knot and then trimming or just attaching with a spot of CA glue?
Nice work on your model....the rigging looks like photographs of the full size aircraft.
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Ahhh... so lovely!
The details are amazing. Impressive work Paolo.
Cheers
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here I am!
sorry for the delay... thank you all very much!! :D :D :D
dave, I used EZ line rigging material, it's highly elastic and easy to use, although not perfectly round.
I did a simple knot, and for good measure, add a little drop of CA. quite simple!
today I did some last addictions, and I brought her almost to the end..
some dry tests on paper:
5882(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5882_zps94fb83e1.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5882_zps94fb83e1.jpg.html)
to achieve the washed out exaust stains on fuselage.
5884(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5884_zpsf7355e4e.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5884_zpsf7355e4e.jpg.html)
I added also some mud on the underneath...
5907(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5907_zps665c6ede.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5907_zps665c6ede.jpg.html)
and played a little around the engine access panels:
5913(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5913_zpsf2a6abce.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5913_zpsf2a6abce.jpg.html)
5914(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5914_zps91eb138d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5914_zps91eb138d.jpg.html)
enhanced the difference between old and new parts..
5888(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5888_zpsbd540aac.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5888_zpsbd540aac.jpg.html)
5921(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5921_zps5b388c58.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5921_zps5b388c58.jpg.html)
and that's it.
5894(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5894_zpsb6cbd3d9.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5894_zpsb6cbd3d9.jpg.html)
5904(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5904_zps7860dc05.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5904_zps7860dc05.jpg.html)
I think it's enough, but maybe I can add some smoke on the starboard fuselage...
5916(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5916_zpsaac2e288.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5916_zpsaac2e288.jpg.html)
ah, the view from the cabin reading the anemometer...
5934(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5934_zpse74d7371.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5934_zpse74d7371.jpg.html)
now it's time to find a grass's handkerchief where to secure her... then I may pass to paint the verner figure.
bye bye, p. ;)
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Paolo,
She's nothing short of Awesome my friend. Beautifully built and weathered. Well Done!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Perhaps it says something about me? - But I likes 'em a bit dirty!!! Great build, excellent posts - thanks for making it possible.
Well done ...... Cheers.
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Simply OUTSTANDING, Paolo! Bravo!!! One of the best D.IIIs I've ever seen. Your weathering is very realistic and convincing, IMHO. The entire build was very well thought out and executed. Very well done! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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It doesn't get much better than what you've done Paolo. I've
enjoyed your build right from the start. Not much more to say
other than amazing talent. Thanks.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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My hat is off to you Paolo.
Your Albatros it's amazing with very nice detail and weathing making it look like the real thing.
The "new" upper wing it's also very convincing.
I give you a few bursts saluting a nice job!(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/spandau.gif)
Cheers (http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/goggleson.gif)
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Paolo,
Beautiful, simply beautiful!
I just went back a few pages and can't figure out what you used for the bungees/elastic on the axles, can you clarify?
I'll bet your glad now that you didn't use the one and only/first and final "flight" solution you were considering!
Cheers,
Lance
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Quite a good job. I think your scale of 5 is much too low. The color shading and tones is a great tutorial. A fantastic looking plane. For those of us that have one in the stash, you have certainly set the standard.
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Your subtle weathering is outstanding. You give me something to aim for with my builds.
Cheers,
Chris
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You persevered on a challenging build and won!! She looks great. Thanks for letting us follow along.
Steve
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Your work on this one is absolutely Incredible! LOVELY ALBATROS!
RAGIII
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hi all!
thank you very much... altough the fuselage is on the dark side of the wood, I am also quite satisfied, especially thinking at the kit base.
lance, for the undercarriage I used the flat rigging thread bought on the wnw site. actually isn't correct, should be something round and a lttle bigger, but to me it's ok like that.
today, back from work, I managed to buy a wooden frame and some spares to assemble a base. I home to have some time in the next days to do it.
cheers, p. ;)
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Paolo,
My friend you have more than earned all the praise indeed. I noticed back on post #241 the figures you're working on behind the Albatros. Although I suspect they have nothing to do with WWI in the least but still very interesting works in progress.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hello Paolo:
I think you have a real stunner there. I followed your build thread and you overcame many obstacles without giving it it's first and last flight. For that you are to be commended. You took an adequate kit and made it into a masterpiece. I am duly impressed with the work and workmanship. Now, if Squadron weren't sold out of it, I would buy one.
Best
Mark
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pant, puff, grunt! heavy days, here... :P
I didn't manage to work on the wooden base, just shoot this:
5953(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5953_zpsecfea32a.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5953_zpsecfea32a.jpg.html)
gregory, you're right (and sharp eyed)... nothing to do with WWI... something totally different! if I do something of that strange project, I'll post some pics.
thank you again for appreciation, I hope to achieve a good result with the base, soon!
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Look on the bright side, Paolo...after all you've done with
the Alby build, the base will be a piece of cake!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Paolo, it's more than perfect, it looks more real than the real one...
Fantastico Paolo!!!!
AnDò
8)
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Beautiful work , I have learned so much by following this thread! well done! :D
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hi all, thank you so much for the appreciation...
the last days are really busy at work, and I managed to work on the base just here and there, mainly because the layers of paint on the wood request several days to cure.
but today was the day... here some pics of the wsip (work still in progress ;))... I post all the passages not because are so interesting, if not because it's a really low cost work to achieve a decent (on my opinion) base for the models. hope may be interesting!
carved the perimeter, leaving a 1cm rim.
5996(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5996_zps81935757.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_5996_zps81935757.jpg.html)
put aside the glass, glued and nailed the back of it inside the frame. here at the end of three layers of walnut paint on it.
also, I drilled two holes corresponding to the wheels. at the end, I'll put pins within.
6172(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6172_zpsf79ff1b4.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6172_zpsf79ff1b4.jpg.html)
with some tape to protect the wood, I put inside a layer of clay. since I want just a bit of plain grass airfield, I don't do any particular shape to it, just plain, with few smooth "waves". (sorry for the backcloth, it was too hot to work inside!)
after that, I scribed wheels traces.
6173(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6173_zps1f29e9de.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6173_zps1f29e9de.jpg.html)
then, after a wash of water mixed with white glue, I scattered some earth from the backyard, mixed wit little stones and pigments.
6174(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6174_zpsec138f7f.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6174_zpsec138f7f.jpg.html)
gone the tape, I retouched the edges and smoothed the wheels traces..
6176(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6176_zps5807d328.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6176_zps5807d328.jpg.html)
and push the D.III on her assigned spot, so she'll meet the pin holes, and sit leveled.
6177(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6177_zps93b5b391.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6177_zps93b5b391.jpg.html)
et volià.
6178(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6178_zps5473bad7.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6178_zps5473bad7.jpg.html)
now it's just matter of waiting the clay drying's time, but anyway tomorrow I leave for five days out... ???
back home I'll adjust the earth color and glue on some grass and flowers.
by the way, someone has at hand the month in wich voss changed jasta? I should do a proper vegetation, I guess...
bye bye, p. ;)
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Very nice, Paolo. The whole thing is fantastic, congrats.
Voss was officially kicked out of Jasta B on May 20, 1917, I think he went directly to Jasta 5.
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Great job on the display base, Paolo. Fitting spot for your beautiful Albatros to
rest. A hearty "well done!" for both. Now after catching your breath, I wonder what
gems you have up your sleeve? ;) Thanks again for a great build!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Paolo,
Absolutely beautiful work my friend. Congratulations and Well Done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Nicely done Paolo.
Simple... but with no need to anything esse imo.
Your Alb it's a beauty.
Cheers
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Wow, amazing!
I've missed this thread, but I've just read all the pages ;D
Great build, great painting and great weathering.
Bravissimo, ottimo lavoro!
Andrea
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yeeeeeess! back home, finally... it was a long long journey. :o
thank you all very much, in particular to bo. so, I'll try to render a not-so-plain airfield in the middle of springtime.... in detail, I want to try to do some dried puddles, and add several shades of yellow-green grass, and just few flowers.
ready? set, go!
adjusted the earth color with some brown, sand, earth.
6316(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6316_zps149207f8.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6316_zps149207f8.jpg.html)
spread on different shades of synthetic grass with the mc-elettrostatic applicator.
6317(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6317_zps7d7cf5b0.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6317_zps7d7cf5b0.jpg.html)
gone the tape, I retouched the edges, and add grass tufts in different shades and length.
6318(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6318_zps09c900b5.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6318_zps09c900b5.jpg.html)
then I sprayed away the excess from the dried puddles. I also managed to remain without white flowers, the right ones here, on my opinion.
obviously the white underneath the grass is white glue. when dry it will disappear. I trust. ;D
6319(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6319_zpsbce26f70.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6319_zpsbce26f70.jpg.html)
well, for tonight it's enough. tomorrow I'll add grass, adjust again the greens, and so on.
6323(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6323_zps1d6f33be.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6323_zps1d6f33be.jpg.html)
6325(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6325_zps665927db.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6325_zps665927db.jpg.html)
so, if there are not macro interventions on the grass (have your say, don't be shy!) I'll start to assemble & paint the young verner...
6328(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6328_zpsd5eb4b8b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6328_zpsd5eb4b8b.jpg.html)
bye bye, p. ;)
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Bravo my friend!
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Great composition on the display
Steve
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I agree, excellent landing.
Great work, it makes all the difference.
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On this basis it looks great. Well done !
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Hi Paolo,
Really nice all round.. Great project..
Guy
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Excellent work, Paolo. Herr Voss looks a little "washed out", though. :D
Dal.
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Very, very nice, Paolo!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Your groundwork on the base is perfect! What a beautiful picture your DIII makes. I am Looking forward to seeing the figure done!
RAGIII
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thank you all! I'm happy you like it...
my girlfriend said "oh, just another of your grass airfields"....! :P
waiting for the white flowers, I started to ruin the voss's figure. actually it looks awfully flat, I'm thinking seriously to strip it down and restart from zero.
the face has very delicate lineaments, that I covered totally with too many layers of acrylics and oils colors.
6451(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6451_zps2ca5fe5d.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6451_zps2ca5fe5d.jpg.html)
by the way, someone knows for sure the colors of the details on cap and the medal on the neck? I didn't find any reference for those...
and that's the whole. despite of the picture, there are at least five tones of grey for the jacket, and three for the trousers... bleak. :(
6454(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6454_zps7320a684.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6454_zps7320a684.jpg.html)
6455(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6455_zps13047b5b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6455_zps13047b5b.jpg.html)
6456(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6456_zpsee9f0388.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_6456_zpsee9f0388.jpg.html)
since tomorrow I leave for another long working shift, I have plenty of time to think if do it again or not...
bye bye, p. ;)
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Hi Mc.
Your base it's very nice indeed! Alot better with the grass!
About the medal... it's the Pour le Merite. You may see how they looked in Russels thread, there's a picture with him holding 2 of them.
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=1960.0
About the cap and uniform... your going fine imo. You just need a darker wash and to give some lights in the end... but i'm no figure man. Watch the red band in the cap and you may also try to outline in red some parts of the uniform, and to have some golden buttons... check the third guy from left.
(http://i869.photobucket.com/albums/ab256/TheZabu/10085567.jpg)
Sorry if i can't be more helpfull.
Cheers
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Voss is looking good! Just a little difference in the flesh and uniform final finishes and I think it will look stunning! Once the details,buttons for instance, are painted I think you will have it nailed!
RAGIII
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how much time!
after several trying with figure(s), I gave up. it seems that I reached my bottom line... so, added few white flowers, glued the cart and figure on the base, and that's all, finish, to me.
7347(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7343_zpsc4a5098b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7343_zpsc4a5098b.jpg.html)
7337(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7337_zpsc3ad9e67.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7337_zpsc3ad9e67.jpg.html)
here compared with the DH2, just to show the difference between the two greens...
7340(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7340_zpse76c194b.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7340_zpse76c194b.jpg.html)
and here at "home", finally!
7346(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7346_zps6f9a8443.jpg) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/albatros%20DIII/IMG_7346_zps6f9a8443.jpg.html)
well, dears, thank you all for the help and appreciation, see you with the next one... time to choose wich one! ;)
(http://i818.photobucket.com/albums/zz104/mc65-1/varie/IMG_0650_zps0d00811d.png) (http://s818.photobucket.com/user/mc65-1/media/varie/IMG_0650_zps0d00811d.png.html)
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Great work, details, construction, weathering, the base and figure !!!!!
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Very, very good made model and figure.
what will be the next.
Adam.
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Amazing work, Paolo! You almost had me at the end...I thought you snuck in a
photo of Herr Voss & his Alby. Marvelous job of both, my friend, something to be
very proud of!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Paolo, you made it beautifully!
Both model and figure are truly amazing. The base adds the perfect set for them.
Awesome.
Cheers
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I agree with all of the others! Don't think you have anything to worry about the figure. It is BEAUTIFUL!!
RAGIII
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A very impressive display Paolo, the Albatros is excellent and your figure painting skills are superb, I am also very envious of your base, congratulations and well done.
Des.
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Fantastic work.
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Paolo,
Simply outstanding work, and I really like the Bases. You can be very proud of this one!
Cheers,
Lance
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Hi Paolo,
This is fabulous. Many congratulations on this one. A masterpiece!
Kind regards
Patrick
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jus re-reading the whole thread. Brillent stuff from beginning to end. And thanks for the base idea - hard to get in my neck of the woods and expensive to ship!
cheers
FF
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Super stuff Paolo. Well done!
Best wishes
Nigel
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thank you all, gents!
for the appreciation, but also (more) for the precious help you all gave me!
I'm very sorry about my absence from the forum in the last period. are strange days, and I'm not in the right mood, so sorry.
but I'm charging the spring to start another build, just wait a little... ;)
see you soon, p.
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Your work is worth waiting for, Paolo! :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Nice finished model and a very enjoyable build thread :D
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Superb! :o
vB