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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Andi Little on March 21, 2013, 12:01:28 AM

Title: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on March 21, 2013, 12:01:28 AM: Well here we are chaps .................

I've been threatening it ... bottled it on a 1/48th Albatros DV - waaaay too small as yet, I'm used to 1/24th remember?

But, after a little nudge this finally arrived in the post ................

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-1_zpsb343f108.jpg)

TaDaah!

Bought on the strength of recommendation from the home page - and having inspected it - "good advice I'd say". it is large enough for someone like me - oafish and best part blind, but it has good strong detail. Not so much that you'd be overwhelmed but more than enough to make an attractive little model pretty much out the box I'd say - for any other "newbies" reading this I got this for £25 inc' postage. There's enough in the box to qualify for several weeks entertainment so I was more than happy at that.
I've had a look around the net etc and there doesn't seem that much about this kit regards any build threads - I'd be glad to be proved wrong on that - found a few bit's of stuff to get me started though so I'd best have at it!

Anybody feel the need to jump in with advise, crit's or just an opinion? Please do, feel free ... I'd be happy - neigh...grateful to hear from you.

Cheers for now then ........................ updates to follow as they appear..............

Please be gentle with me!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: gcn on March 21, 2013, 12:09:38 AM: I remember a build review of this a few years ago in a magazine and I think their major complaint was the lack of the MS logo to go on the cowling. IIRC they made one from scrap brass.

Looks a nice kit with lost of lovely weathering to be had.

Enjoy
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: rhallinger on March 21, 2013, 01:25:34 AM: Hi Andi. Here's a link to the build log I followed when I built this kit:

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=138341&page=1

I checked this, and the photos appear to be missing now, at least on my computer. At least the text might highlight any build issues. Good luck! You'll do just fine.

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: michael on March 21, 2013, 01:31:47 AM: Good luck with your build Andi i will be following you closely

michael
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: janh on March 21, 2013, 04:10:43 AM: Quote from: rhallinger on March 21, 2013, 01:25:34 AM
Hi Andi. Here's a link to the build log I followed when I built this kit:

http://www.aeroscale.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=SquawkBox&file=index&req=viewtopic&topic_id=138341&page=1

I checked this, and the photos appear to be missing now, at least on my computer. At least the text might highlight any build issues. Good luck! You'll do just fine.

Regards,

Bob
sadly the photo's are gone any chance of reuploading them?? Please
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Graham t on March 21, 2013, 04:52:31 AM: Crack on with it - I've got the RFC version of this kit & will be watching with interest! 8)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: rhallinger on March 21, 2013, 05:23:29 AM: Janh: The photos would have to be reuploaded by the modeler who created the build log, I think, and that was a fellow named Dave Cox over on Aeroscale about four years ago. The photos were there a year ago when I built my Morane. If anyone could give an assist with this, I'm sure it would be aoppreciated.

regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on March 21, 2013, 07:37:43 AM: Great choice Andi, this is a great kit and builds up to be a beautiful model. This was one of the first kits I built when I got into WW1 modeling and found it to be a very enjoyable build. Even though it is a mono there is still a bit of rigging to do, but it is all fairly straight forward. I made my own logo for the cowl but as Red has said they are available from Toms Model Works. I will be following your build closely and hope to see some progress photos soon.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: coyotemagic on March 21, 2013, 09:07:57 AM: My favorite monoplane! Excellent choice, Andi. This will be a fun build for you. I've built a few Special Hobby kits and I love 'em, but be sure to test fit regularly. In spite of the quality, it is, after all, a limited run kit.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: petero on March 21, 2013, 09:49:27 AM: Here's a build article over on Large Scale Planes:

http://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?showtopic=13056

There aren't a lot of pics, but at least they're there :)

Peter
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on March 22, 2013, 01:31:24 AM: nice kit, which turns out good with a bit of work. wouldnt mind doin another one someday.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on March 22, 2013, 02:02:34 AM: Hey all.....................

Well, not exactly an Earth shattering update. Perhaps more of a "see, I was serious"? Mind you we'll see how long that lasts.
I've spent an inordinate amount of time fannying about with this little sideframe, although in mine own defence a lot of the time was collating enough info' to get started, and also trying to make sense of a build strategy ... what all the very strange little objects are - and how important they might be?
I get now how frustrating it was for guys to come onto a car forum and say "what's a carburettor"? ....... only to be shouted down and ridiculed [not that I'm guilty of that but I've seen it happen].

So, anyhoo .................... managed to make a start. I know I'm not going to make the mistake of trying to compete with you's guy's. But I am going to try and emulate what I see on these pages, eyes and hands are struggling to make the transition to a different [smaller] scale ................. but here we go.............

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-2_zpse6ae4c39.jpg)

As mentioned nothing Earth shattering: but I discovered that the cockpit framing is actually made up of "lugged tubing" rather than wood'n'wire which I've been admiring everywhere.
So, been busy substituting the squary bits with roundy bits. The "lugging" is a bit coarse but this is a trial run right -"right"?
As mentioned also there's a lot of figuring out what the kit makers done - and what you might do different??? I'm sure it'll all become more familiar??

Hopefully something a bit more exciting next time - till then then!!.

Ps ................. Soz' about the pic' ... Camera's not finding the transition too easy either - obviously.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: coyotemagic on March 22, 2013, 02:22:13 AM: Very impressive for your first foray into WWI aircraft modeling, Andi. Most folks (myself, included :-[) Would be content to simply paint up the kit framing and slap it in. I can see by the extra effort you applied early on, that this will be a very fine build.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on March 22, 2013, 02:48:57 AM: Andi,
It's the extra bits and efforts that make a difference between a "just a model" and a fine build. I see you are working on a project for the latter category, and it's looking mighty fine. Looking forward to more progress from you.
Cheers,
Lance :)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: uncletony on March 22, 2013, 02:52:47 AM: Nice start, you'll have the microscope out in no time ;)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 22, 2013, 03:05:53 AM: Great start Andi, looking to be a really nice build.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: GAJouette on March 22, 2013, 03:55:13 AM: Andi,
Excellent progress my friend. I'm really looking forward to seeing more of this project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: xmald on March 22, 2013, 08:57:37 PM: Hi Andi,
Morane N is one of my ww1 birds. You can find a cutaway of Morane online. There`s one thing that always bothered me and it was the engine managment. There are no controls in the model and there aren`t any on the cutaway. Due to lack of sufficient number of pics of the cockpit it`s still a mystery to me. In my Morane I have built a throttle/mixture lever since the majority of planes that used Le Rhone 9 had one. I have even tried to find some info on aerodrome forum ...
I`m looking forward to see the next update.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on March 22, 2013, 11:15:15 PM: Its all a learning process. Research is part of the fun.

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: IanB on March 23, 2013, 12:49:32 PM: Looks like a pretty good start!
If you're on-the-ball enough to spot that the framing should be round, and then correct it, you should be onto a winner. I'm not used to working this big (1:72 is my scale!) but I'm looking forward to following this one...

Ian
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: ALBATROS1234 on March 23, 2013, 05:41:30 PM: you are on the right track. the first thing i did with this kit is to make the frames from evergreen round stock to replace the square kit parts. the easiest way to do it is to lay the parts on paper and spray so dark spray paint on them. when you move them there will be exact layouts on the paper for you to follow. just lay the plastic rods on the template and cut all the parts and glue together. it really wasnt very hard and it looks much better in the model.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Jan K on March 25, 2013, 11:47:34 PM: Good start... You can see some inspiration here:

http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=303&t=32855

http://www.modelforum.cz/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=31530
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on March 26, 2013, 02:22:24 AM: Handy reference material Jan. Thanks!!

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on March 26, 2013, 02:52:45 AM: A couple of great threads Jan' .............. those will make a big difference to how I go about things, plus it fills a few gaps in my understanding of areas of the build too - a perfect piece of reference - Very many thanks.

Also very many thanks for the supportive replies I've received, it really does help.
I spent quite some time at the "East Mid's show" searching out the WW1 builds - there was a surprising amount of them. It really is a well supported area of interest: and every modeller I spoke with was positively gushing about their subject - a good day out.

As an aside, I'm continuing to work on the build, just nothing noteworthy yet ... pic's as soon I manage something worth recording.

Cheers all..............
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on March 31, 2013, 01:21:29 AM: Hi all............

Well, an update of sorts? It's been something of an ordeal as I'm really not used to this scale at all ... my admirations just increase when I see what you guys are producing at this scale and less!!

First the pic's ........................

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-4_zpsb37a6f1d.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-3_zps12456a4d.jpg)

And then of course the excuses....................

The main thing being I smashed the dang thing to bits!! - I didn't mean to ... I was trial fitting it all together and it just sort of collapsed - ["broke it mummy"]!
Put it all back together but it didn't look quite as crisp?? Not that it mattered 'cos I did bugger the paint up anyway.
Fitted a floor which you can see, I'm still not sure whether I'm doing the right thing or not seeing as the subject is so unfamiliar. But I'm going with the notion that this is a test build anyway so I should be able to get away with most everything????

Had a go at the "wood-graining that I've admired - though had to be different and decided to see if I could do it in acrylics to cut down on the drying time of oils. So, not dead brill' or anything, but it does show promise as a technique? Unlike my build abilities - although whilst disappointed in the result I'm not despondent or anything ..... it should improve - at least a bit!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: GAJouette on March 31, 2013, 02:56:46 AM: Andi,
My friend your wood graining looks excellent on the floorboards so don't be too hard on yourself. Great progress to date and I'm looking forward to following this build thread with great interest.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: coyotemagic on March 31, 2013, 02:57:56 AM: Test fitting is always a hazardous occupation, Andi. Most of my accidents occur during that process, so do beat yourself up over it. You made a great recovery and your wood grain looks fantastic.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: rhallinger on March 31, 2013, 04:01:39 AM: The wood and leather look first rate! I really like the modulated tones. I think your acrylics worked just great, at least in the pics. Keep up the good work! :)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on April 01, 2013, 05:00:25 AM: Very well done. Dont be too hard on yourself.

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Epeeman on April 01, 2013, 05:40:56 AM: Totally agree with what everybody else has said regarding your wood painting - very effective!

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on April 07, 2013, 11:31:23 PM: Guys .. many thanks, but I feel you're being to kind.

To-whit .... this latest update, I thought I might be doing alright? And it looked for all the world "not too bad"!! But - "MY GOD" what a bliddy mess when you see it through the cameras eye.
It looks like I've been painting in kiddies poster paints - and to a degree I have working with acrylics, and with a brush only - a cognitive choice. You can easily see where I've struggled with the various techniques and ending up building up layer after layer of goopy paint - the attempts at "knocking it back" with a couple of watercolour washes looks as though I've just dipped it in colour and flicked the surplus off.
BUT! ... I've chosen to post these updates as a reminder to me as to how better to proceed, and because they're honest; and I honestly also hope to do better.

The upside is I can see where all the mistake are, and I have at least a vague idea as to how to address them. And in mine own defence if you squint at them you get more of an idea as to what It was I was after - they look bliddy marvellous as thumbnail images!!?

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-7_zps89a8ee71.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-6_zpsd456f8c8.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-5_zps334397d1.jpg)

I do feel like I've let the side down a bit ... so apologies for that. But I do also have it in mind to improve - alarmingly, hopefully!!

Cheers all.......................
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on April 08, 2013, 12:14:32 AM: Andi,
If ever you want to become completely discouraged with your results take a few photos of your work, particularly in Machro Mode....................Oh! I see you've just done that!!
Point is I think your progress thus far is great, your woodgrain right on the mark, and your detail is very nice. The photo process "bites" us all, and if you spend a few hours looking through past Build Threads here you'll find endless (and often dramatic) comments from the vast majority of us who are not at the absolute apex of this game!
No need to apologise, it's all about enjoyment of the Hobby and you have the other part correct, make each project better then the last. There have been several near perfect Builds published here however if you asked the Builder he'd probably state that HE knows where there are several badly done or inaccurate parts/places on it......we are our own worst critics which is, in the end, a good thing.
So don't worry, be happy, and enjoy your project, I quite like what you've done so far.
Cheers,
Lance :)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Vickers on April 08, 2013, 04:05:18 AM: Looks great to me, Andi. I like your interior colors and weathering treatment. I'll be watching your build with genuine interest since the Morane N is among my very favorites. Have fun with it!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: mike in calif on April 08, 2013, 01:30:55 PM: As the others have said, we are our own worst critics, your work is not so bad. I'd suggest a chocolate brown wash on the leather, but that's it. The 'pit looks busy enough, and the rigging is a good touch. Keep on keepin on!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: rhallinger on April 08, 2013, 08:56:46 PM: Andi, the cockpit looks convincing and well-worn to me, with good colors. As someone suggested, perhaps a dark wash would bring out more detail, but it looks fine to me as is. I have built this kit, and my cockpit did not look as good as yours. This kit's parts are on the burly side, fairly spartan and not petit like WNW, and there is a limit to what one can do with them. Besides, when you close up the fuselage you will only be able to see the hint of busy-ness that you're looking for, as most of the detail will be lost to most lines of sight when viewing the model. :)

Keep at it, and don't be afraid to try new things. We're all improving, and rarely completely happy with our results. Still fun though! ;D I have come to believe that our current build is almost always our best, as all of us refine and improve our skills and techniques . . . and then of course, we all suffer the occasional disaster. All part of the hobby! ;) Enjoy! ;D Keep up the very fine work. :)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: GAJouette on April 09, 2013, 01:45:44 AM: Well said Bob,just what I was thinking.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Pete Nottingham on April 09, 2013, 02:53:30 AM: Hi Andi;

I agree with the others your cockpit looks fine and we are our own worst critics, plus close up photos are notorious for showing up any small blemish which you can't even see with our own eyes.
Just keep going, don't get discouraged and you will find that each model you build will be just that little bit better than the last, but most of all it's a hobby, enjoy it.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: andonio64 on April 12, 2013, 09:51:00 PM: Andi, I feel the same discouraging feeling after taking pictures and publishing them to the forum... In that case I leave the camera on the shelf step back a couple of meters and look at the plane and finally I say to myself, That's good! And remember the many hours I enjoyed myself building it.
That's all about modeling in my humble opinion and interpretation!
By the way I really love your cockpit, how did you get thet chapped leather effect? Which colors and technique?

Antonio
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: gfadvance on April 12, 2013, 10:32:36 PM: Hi Andi,

Thought I had better just let you know I am keeping an eye on this build ;)

Looks great so far , mind you landing it in the "yard" is going to be a challenge ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: xmald on April 12, 2013, 11:01:43 PM: Don`t be too hard on yourself mate! The woodgrain is perfect, the rest need some work still. I don`t know how accurate model of MS N you want to build but as far as I know there was no floor at all in the cockpit. Rudder pedals the seat etc. were just fixed to the frame. Both Special Hobby and Eduard made the same mistake by putting the floor in their models.
I know what you feel the photos are ruthless. Looking forward to your next update!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on April 13, 2013, 12:12:02 AM: Looks great - keep going!!!

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on April 13, 2013, 01:10:10 AM: Joining the chorus to say LOOKS GOOD to me, and don't overanalyze based on close up photography !I have learned over the years to shoot photos at certain angles in order to make my models look better than they are :P
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: mgunns on April 13, 2013, 03:56:05 AM: Hello Andi:

I too will chime in with the others and that being, don't be too hard on yourself. Like Bob mentioned, the parts aren't that finely molded and once buttoned up, will disappear in the cockpit. You are doing yeomans work on it and it looks good to me as well.

Now, keep those cards and letters coming so we can see you progress through the build.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on June 06, 2013, 09:51:37 PM: Hey chaps ..............

Sorry I've been missing a while - I have been following the escapades of the board.

Well, after a bout of real life, and other assorted stuffs!! I've made some small headway with the build.

Nothing earth shattering, but I have managed to button that appalling cockpit into the fuselage - actually I spent a bit of time and pulled it together a little better with some artist oils, and it is barely visible within the confines of same: small recompense after the work I did trying to fettle it up!!
Anyhoo ... chucked some paint at it whilst at the bench - again in order to make life difficult I brush painted it on - plus dry-brushed a bit of light and dark with some powders for effect - not too cringe worthy yet so I'll muddle on.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-8_zpse1c7b660.jpg)

More as and when it happens ... ???
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on August 10, 2013, 10:44:05 PM: Hi All ........................

I've been here all the time - albeit quietly hiding in the shadows. Been thinking a little bit too, and decided that rather than try to be original or different: I really ought to try and emulate you guys as much as possible.
Ergo ... I've invested in a couple of airbrushes, not as drastic as it sounds as I got quite lucky [unusual for me] on the 'bay. And boy, does it make a difference having a brush that works!!! - I know! but I've been struggling with a badly behaved brush for years, and not being prepared to be beaten I've tried this and that, if fact everything to get the bliddy thing to work - should of just chucked it in the bin - 'cos it singly did the most damage ever to my modelling mojo. These new ones are light years away, they run smoothly, are very "tunable" and just simply squirt paint when and where I want it.
Anyhoo ........... been having a play with them and getting a bit more confident as time goes on, so i thought I'd ressurect this thread, and although these last two posts are frighteningly similar they are worlds apart in manner.
I'm gaining a bit of momentum with this build again now, and raring to crack on with it. The crackle finish you see is hopefully the beginning of the distressed look I'm after, I've tried to put some subtle shading onto the wings and also a bit of bodywork under the fuselage - barely visible in this pic' I know.

Here you go then.........................

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-9_zps1f1c4833.jpg) (http://s180.photobucket.com/user/Andismodelpages/media/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-9_zps1f1c4833.jpg.html)

I know some of you will roll your eyes now? But do I clear the wings, affix the decals and then mount to the fuselage ... I've been trying to figure out the best way forward - but this isn't a natural process for me, and it's a bit of a learning curve.

Later ...............

PS ................................ Oh, I know I have to drill the mounting holes out for the wire fixing points.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: GAJouette on August 10, 2013, 11:17:17 PM: Andi,
Excellent progress my friend. Keep up the great works.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Rob Hart on August 10, 2013, 11:19:02 PM: Looking good. I like the weathered black paint.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Gisbod on August 11, 2013, 03:01:21 AM: Looks good to me Andi..

The fuselage looks nice and subtle.. I'd always prefer a model to look a teeny bit underdone than overdone.
Once you're happy with the basic colour/ shading I'd then clear coat and decals - then seal that all in with a light sheen or matt (or gloss again if you're going to do any pin washes, before a final sheen coat). The best investment I made was a set of polishing cloths of varying grades - the 8000-12000 are great for a light sand between coats and gives the finished model a lovely lustre - even with a matt finish.

I know I've said before, but in my opinion, give yourself a break and start with a Wingnuts kit - it's just so much easier. They still require a lot of thought in the processes but at least you're not battling against the kit in terms of fit and mould quality..

Airbrushes are great aren't they? :D
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Chris Johnson on August 11, 2013, 04:22:56 AM: She's coming along nicely Andi. I think it's always better to err on the side of caution when it comes to weathering. You can always add to it, but it's awfully hard to take a step back. Keep up the good work!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on August 11, 2013, 09:09:07 AM: You are making great progress Andi. Some of the rigging wires will go through the decals so it will be best to gloss coat the wings first, then apply the decals then you can apply your matt or satin coat of clear for you finish coat. I always drill all the holes for the rigging wires before I apply the decals, the holes under the decals are easy to find. It is easier to fix the decals to the wings before the wings are mounted to the fuselage.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on August 11, 2013, 11:04:43 AM: Nice to see you back at this one. Your colours look spot on and the weathering is subtle.

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: gfadvance on August 11, 2013, 05:44:21 PM: Yes, I have noticed Andi ;D

Always look forward to your paint jobs, no matter what the subject

So how many Wingnut kits have you now collected?
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on August 11, 2013, 07:42:46 PM: Awww! You guys! ........... thanks for having me back [sniff].

Seriously - many thanks for your continued support, I appreciate every and all input, even from Gordon -[gfadvance], this guy is a newbie - or should I say "lurker" here, but boy is he a top drawer builder. Also pretty good at taking the pish as well!!! Damn Scot's!

Guy ... Many thanks for your thoughts, I shall though keep beating myself up with this build until it's done - it's in my nature to be so cussed! Plus I'm using it as a process piece as much as anything - I'd sooner jigger something up on this build than one of them there WNW kits. ................. Oh and Gordon ... "thirteen" ... I actually didn't want to post that what with the new spray booth, brushes and your very generous gift of the Truck wheel set.
But seeing as I'm outed now - I may as well post into the "new to you" thread with my burgeoning stash - I have spent all the rent, gas, and electric money you know?

Des' ... Great instruction, just the kind of thing I was hoping for - I think this need for the obvious will fade a little as my experience grows with the genre, but until then mucho thanks for the generous help.

Cheers all ... hopefully something a bit more exciting next time?
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on August 11, 2013, 10:15:03 PM: Andi,
I am glad to see your new Airbrushes are working to such a high standard :D Actually I think the Modeler behind the gun makes a big difference too! Your Morane is looking Beautiful. The subtle shading and weathering is most excellent!! It is also good to see this seldom Modeled kit being worked on.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on September 06, 2013, 09:36:51 PM: How's progress going on this one Andi, what you have done so far is excellent and I am looking forward to seeing more progress.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on September 15, 2013, 08:08:56 PM: Des, sorry I didn't get straight back to you! Embarrassment more than anything I guess? I do seem to be struggling to make headway at the moment ... not just at the bench, but rather life in general. A bit like driving into heavy rain when your wipers only give you a glimpse of what's ahead: just seems like at the moment my wipers are going like the clappers and I'm still driving blind!!!

Anyhoo - despite the weekend Philosophy, I've taken a couple of drive-by pic's, as much as I thought they might amuse. I've been struggling with the very vague assembly of this "Special Hobby" kit - abandoned pretty much all the photo etch as being for another kit [a ship probably] as it seems to have little or no relevance to the rest of the bits in the box. And I've wasted countless days worrying over the fitting of the wings - all sorts of thoughts of turning a tie-bar or filling holes and providing new spigot arrangements but in the end just thought "Sod it" ..... glue the bliddy things on and make sure the rigging is nice and tight.

Here's a couple of pic's then - more as proof of minor progress, but as much to show my overkill method of supporting the wing till the sticky stuff goes hard.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-10_zpsdb8c8e3a.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-11_zps419af429.jpg)

Cool huh? .......................
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on September 15, 2013, 08:15:04 PM: Man, that is one hefty looking jig you are using there, at least it won't bend with the weight of the wing sitting on it :) :) Looking pretty good so far Andi and I can assure you that there is no need to be embarrassed, you are doing an excellent job, thanks for the update.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on September 15, 2013, 11:31:56 PM: Quote from: Des on September 15, 2013, 08:15:04 PM
Man, that is one hefty looking jig you are using there, at least it won't bend with the weight of the wing sitting on it :) :) Looking pretty good so far Andi and I can assure you that there is no need to be embarrassed, you are doing an excellent job, thanks for the update.

Des.

I agree completely with Des! Nnothing to be embarrassed about at all. Your Morane is looking great.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: FokkerFodder on September 15, 2013, 11:56:54 PM: Looking good to me as well. I ended up gluing toothpicks into the locating holes in the fusilage, trimming both ends, embedding wire in toothpicks and drilled out holes in the wings, as a way to attach the wings. Actually worked a treat if a little laborious.... until my daughter leaned over the workbench trying to grab something and rested her hand on the plane. Crunch. Dad was a little unhappy but all was forgiven and you would barely notice now (just don't pick it up!)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on September 16, 2013, 01:49:38 AM: Nice to see this one shaping into a plane. Looks great and that jig is industrial strength!! Glad you took the leap!!

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Ernie on September 16, 2013, 01:57:21 AM: You are making good progress, Andi. No fear of not having enough support for
the wing. ;D Necessity being the mother of invention, eh? I really like the weathering
on the cowling. I'm looking forward to the next update.

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Zabu on September 17, 2013, 12:24:28 AM: Hi Andi.

Your Morane its quite nice! It will a very reference to my braille one!

I enjoy the detail of the cockpit and the weathering of black forward section, although i'll make mine red.

Cheers
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on September 17, 2013, 02:43:17 AM: Looking VERY nice, Andi. The cowl weathering is top notch, keep at her, this is going to be one fine model!
Cheers,
Lance 8)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Jan K on October 29, 2013, 06:35:25 AM: Looks good...I'd consider using AK worn effect or similar stuff on the cowling.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on November 08, 2013, 12:24:09 AM: Ta'dah!! ............. you all thought I'd given up didn't you??

Well, sorry I know I'm slow ... it just seems to be the way I build nowadays - what between life and all the things I must do in order to be a responsible adult ... the last thing I need is the kids to have me down "Happy Acres" before my time.

Anyhoo ............. I digress [as usual] ............. but a small update. Got the flappy bits on, had a play with the notion of rigging [around the tail]. Must get that muck on the roundels a bit more subtle - the camera is merciless isn't it.
I shall now throw her on her back [if I can remember how] and make a start on the underside rigging etc.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-13_zps1fd2a8f4.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-12_zpsc279d5db.jpg)

So, as I said - pretty slow, but the confidence is gaining - figured out a few things too. struggling to keep the job clean as I work with it ... but I brush painted the acrylic clear coats earlier and it gets quite sticky [and grubby] as I handle it. I'm guessing that stuff needs to be airbrushed on to get the best effect?

I am actually resisting the temptation to start the RNAS Pup [WNW] - and this more because I'm all excited with a picture I've seen of one on a take off platform - don't knock it? It's a good a way of making a choice as any!! - Plus the Pup looks to be a simplish project ... I hope.

Anyway ... on with the Morane for the time being................. see ya'.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 08, 2013, 12:35:36 AM: This is looking really nice Andi, though I fear that if we had a competition based around the slowest completion of any model, I'd be hovering around a medal position.

Well done so far.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on November 08, 2013, 12:42:54 AM: Very well done so far! I really like the black on the cowling, perfect in my opinion! Looking forward to seeing this one rigged.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on November 08, 2013, 02:01:38 AM: Looking very nice Andi, take your time and enjoy. Nigel, I'm afraid you'd lose the competition on slow Builds, check out the start and stop times on my McKeever Bif! ::)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: ETG on November 08, 2013, 02:51:40 AM: Nice model, Andi. Looking forward to seeing the rigging.
I bought this kit, too, and on the decal sheet the two MS logos were missing. They are, however, mentioned in the drawings.
I searched the net but could not find any. A few weeks later I ordered decals for another kit that needed French decals. Luckily for
me, the decal sheet had decals for several airplanes, one of them being a Morane-Saulnier. It had the MS logo on it and by the look
of it, in the correct size for the 1:32 MS-N.

Are the MS logos on your decal sheet? If not, are you going to try to find some? If you find them, please let us know where you
found them.
Morane-Saulnier put their round MS logo on just about every airplane they ever built, so I defininately would want them on my model.

Cheers,

Erik.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Zabu on November 08, 2013, 05:10:50 AM: It's looking great Andi, nice update.

I'll be happy if mine 1/72 one gets "1/72 as good" when the time comes. The black paint job on the cooling it's really amazing.

Cheers
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: IFF1418 on November 08, 2013, 05:40:33 PM: Hello Andi,

I did not follow your build as I was not yet on the forum at that time. You made a fantastic build. The interior is lovely and your painting wonderful. Many congratulations.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on November 08, 2013, 05:46:31 PM: Looking really smart Andi, I love the black you used on the nose and spinner, very realistic.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Gisbod on November 08, 2013, 06:02:02 PM: Looking great Andi..

I get that problem too with the varnish - I'm using the Alclad light sheen, which is lovely, but after lots of handling it goes a bit tacky and then can rub off making a dirty mess! Bit of a pain really - I had to remove it all with white spirit (it's not acrylic) on the Snipe and start again..

Keep up the good work though..

Guy
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on November 08, 2013, 06:18:35 PM: Well, there's a surprise! - many thanks everyone for your generous remarks. I don't fish for compliments - but these are truly most welcome. Struggling with it as you know ... as much for its unfamiliarity as anything: a scale change isn't helping, and all my once common modelling ground has disappeared.
But! ... it is starting to look remarkably like an aeroplane, and although the photo's they do flatter to deceive, I am relatively pleased with how it's coming out so far.

Eric ............... you're not the first person to mention the missing logo's. And I thought about it for quite some time, but this is a sacrificial build - my first airyplane for fifty years probably. So, if you look closely at the cowling in the photo's you'll see my solution.

Two bolt holes and a circle of clean paint ............................ some buggers nicked 'em! And trust me - if you lived round our way that fact wouldn't even raise an eyebrow. ............... Just an anecdotal solution to a problem that wasn't destroying me intellectually anyway...................... If I bring anything to these pages it will be a hopefully endearing laissez-faire.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Ernie on November 08, 2013, 09:24:52 PM: You're doing a super job on the Morane, Andi. I'm so happy that your
airbrush woes are pretty much behind you. Your paint shows your talents
and your weathering looks just right. I look for more updates as your
project nears completion. Great work, my friend!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: coyotemagic on November 09, 2013, 01:49:31 AM: Superb, Andi! This is going to be a stunner. Your treatment of the painted cowling is outstanding and the oil staining is spot on. I think that leaving clean paint where the logos once were is brilliant. However, if you feel that you must have them, they can be had here:
http://www.plastic-hobby.com/product/morane-saulnier-logo-1-32:21517/
or from Tom's Model Work, if I remember correctly.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: sobrien on November 09, 2013, 04:35:55 AM: Some one on one of the forums had made decals in 1/32 for the Morane-Saulnier, but I can't seem to remember who. They looked good too.

Sean
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: xmald on November 09, 2013, 08:29:53 AM: Slow or quick what`s the difference mate? build the way you like it/are able to...
Your MS N looks extremely nice! I like it very much. Don`t be afraid to make her dirty a little bit more around the nose since the rotary engine was a really messy contraption... Burnt castor oil was thrown away so that it even could produce a solid residue on the fuselage and wings which was scraped off. Also the cowling and the spinner`s paint chipped off, to be accurate it flaked of the parts (due to its poor quality - the paint of course)...
About the Pup - if the time`s right we may start up a little group project - yours in 1/32 and mine in 1/48...
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: FokkerFodder on November 10, 2013, 02:53:44 PM: I agree with all the comments - its really come together well! You can get a PE of the MS logo from Tom's Modelworks by the way.

cheers

FF
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Phillip1 on November 17, 2013, 01:10:24 PM: Andi,

Your Morane-Saulnier looks very good to me. I think the finish you have on the black cowling is excellent. Keep up good work.

Phillip
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on November 17, 2013, 11:12:42 PM: Just catching up with this one. She looks great. Acrylic hobby clear coat (and paints) are fairly "weak." The heat from your hands can soften them quite quickly. Thinning them with laquer thinners makes them harder,glossy and they dry faster but there are the other side effects. Spraying laquers are the only option as well. Spraying acrylic with the "recommended" thinners does not change their hardness. Another option is to wear a thin cotton or latex glove while handling the model-its practical AND eligant :D. I have the Tom's pe set and it is very good.

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on November 30, 2013, 01:22:49 AM: Tiniest of updates............ more as proof that I'm still lurking in the background - and of course playing about a bit.

Not a lot of difference between this set of pic's and the last lot? - But really to show off my "stringy-wirey bits" (can you say that nowadays)?

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-16_zpsb317a360.jpg)

And a quick shot to show more wirey bits and that I've softened the weathering on the wings -I'll get to a point when i can do this first time ... but now I've an airbrush that works it's taking a while to see what it can do?

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-14_zps4585a9d8.jpg)

Ooops - now I review the photo I see that you can't see anything of the wings ... so check out the cheeks of the cowling and hopefully notice a mix of castor and muck'n'dirt down the sides?

Here's a better pic' of the wings with some wear and tear down the fuselage - this is definitely not a "Hanger Queen".
.............. As mentioned elsewhere - I likes 'em a bit mucky!!!

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-15_zps32f2581a.jpg)

Laters................
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Nigel Jackson on November 30, 2013, 01:27:06 AM: This is shaping up beautifully Andi. Why, I could almost start to like the type N. Steady now, I only said could!

Seriously, though, very well done and I really look forward to further updates.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: rhallinger on November 30, 2013, 02:03:28 AM: Nice work Andi! She's lovely, and I really like your weathering. ;D

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: mgunns on November 30, 2013, 06:39:16 AM: Hello Andy:

Love the metal affects on the cowl and spinner. The Mucking is nice too, but you nailed tack on cranium with the metal. Looking forward the next update. And yes you can say that now days.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: pepperman42 on December 03, 2013, 09:31:42 AM: Looks great. The weathering is perfect.

Steve
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on December 03, 2013, 09:43:49 AM: Quote from: pepperman42 on December 03, 2013, 09:31:42 AM
Looks great. The weathering is perfect.

Steve

I agree with Steve and will add that your rigging is coming along nicely!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: andonio64 on December 03, 2013, 04:02:40 PM: Beautiful work Andi, and the cables look really good, what are you using for rigging, did you paint the wires ?
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on December 03, 2013, 04:54:01 PM: Looking extremely good, the rigging is very well done and your weathering is great.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on December 04, 2013, 07:43:02 PM: Quote from: andonio64 on December 03, 2013, 04:02:40 PM
Beautiful work Andi, and the cables look really good, what are you using for rigging, did you paint the wires ?

S'cuse the delay in getting back to you Andonio, and thanks for your kind comments ... I am starting to very slowly understand the shift in thinking that I've needed to make in order to work in this genre of modelling ... however the rigging is nothing at all special but rather a series of techniques I've picked up here.
To wit: The rigging itself is just haberdashers "invisible thread, calibrating at 0.13mm" this is then given a fairly dry coat of Mr Metalcolour "stainless"
The fastenings are again the well advised 0.5 Brass tube - I used 0.4 on the tail rigging but I struggled like the blazes to make that work, a combination of my poor eyesight and a simple lack of dexterity I'm sure. The anchors in all cases are 5amp fusewire spun into an "eye and tail" arrangement .... and there you have it - at best I think the pictures flatter to deceive, but I'll gladly welcome the encouragement.

Cheers all.................
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on December 04, 2013, 10:57:52 PM: Andi,
I've been away the past week and just caught your latest update. I like them, as you say, "mucky" as well and you're weathering is superb and very realistic. This one is coming along beautifully and I am looking forward to the completed stage.
Very nice work to this point!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Zabu on December 06, 2013, 01:21:43 PM: Getting better and better Andi.

Almost done.

Cheers
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: xmald on December 06, 2013, 08:05:06 PM: It looks gorgeus! You caught the CDL perfectly! Are you going to add some chipping on the cowling and the spinner???
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on December 08, 2013, 05:39:44 AM: Knock knock ......YETI .................. Yeti 'nother itsy-bitsy update.............

Actually one that was born out of "complete loss" - as in a complete loss as to what to do?
If you're unsure of what it is you're supposed to be looking at? - it's the pulley on the little gantry thing! It's very difficult to figure out what's happening in this area. Both from the destructions and any online references I can find. This coupled with the fact that the kit part is either missing or unrecognisable to my eye ... in the end desperation forced me to wing it somewhat (s'cuse pun).

So, I turned up a small two-bay pulley wheel, made a bracket out of some pop-can ally, a wire tether from a twisted eye and tail, couple of nutty looking things on top and glued it on!! .... In truth I can tell it's a bit on the big side, but at this point in the game it's about as small as I can manage.
I'm hoping after a lick of paint, and with lot's of technical looking wire and fittings protruding I might get away with it? So here then with my normal suicidal honesty is a quick "before" ... I'll post another update when I've got the rigging done and dusted.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-17_zps4625c5ca.jpg)

Cheers all .............................
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: coyotemagic on December 08, 2013, 05:48:01 AM: Extraordinary work, Andi! That pulley is magnificent.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Des on December 08, 2013, 06:56:24 AM: Nothing at all wrong with your pulley Andi, it looks good to me, and once the rigging is fitted it will look even better, well done.

Des.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Ernie on December 08, 2013, 08:53:11 AM: Wow! Andi the pully looks perfect. Beautiful bit of scratch-building. The
Morane is looking really good now. I like the black area. The paint looks
just right and not just a solid black "brick" look. Great progress!

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on December 08, 2013, 12:30:59 PM: Andi,
Very nice work on the pulley and an impressive Model. I'm really looking forward to the final photos complete with rigging.
Cheers
Lance
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: andonio64 on December 08, 2013, 06:21:41 PM: Andi,
thanks for the information about rigging, I keep following your job and I must say it's extraordinary...
The pulley it's really perfect!

Keep on delighting us!

Antonio
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on December 09, 2013, 12:17:08 AM: Andi,
Very nicely done pulley! Looking forward to seeing the rigging attached!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: IFF1418 on December 10, 2013, 08:43:22 PM: This is a wonderful build Andi. Can't stop looking at the pilot's chair. Magnificent. Painting is extra!

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Zabu on December 12, 2013, 10:53:47 AM: Awesome Andi, and the pulley... brilliant! Great stuff.

Cheers
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on December 29, 2013, 01:47:38 AM: Well here we go then ...................

Another update ... they keep happening despite myself? ... Actually a little bit of headway now, I have by and large I think got all the rigging done? I'm not sure who recommended this as a first build!!!!!!! - But it nearly drove me nuts.
Truth be told it was a good starter because at least most of the rigging is accessible, and when I got myself into a bit of a knot - at least I could see and reach what it was I was trying to do. I must add that I think any "newbies" will learn more on their first rigging exercise than probably the rest of their projects put together?
And as an aside for newbies (I don't consider myself a veteran of the study yet - but I damn sure ain't no virgin anymore)! It was some rough date, If I'd have known better I think I might of bought myself dinner first!!! Truth be told though I got faster, quicker and much slicker as time went on. For the first half of the build I couldn't even do the "pass back through the tube" thing, by the end I was doing it in my fingers ... with powerful super x-ray specs on and with a "Magnifying-light" too of course.

Anyhoo ............ here's the pic's then ........ remember it's a sacrificial build to get to grips with this new genre of modelling, so some prototypical arrangements may be compromised?

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-18_zps20f2a844.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-19_zpsd837d3c1.jpg)

You can't see it so well on this pic' but I've added some fuel staining on the wings - a little bit clumsy but it's kind of cool in a "first attempt" way.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-20_zps3714f9f8.jpg)

It's the inboard bit you're looking at, the outer part under the anchor points is very coarse - the result of that bliddly Dullcote not knowing whether it was dry or not - and this after several weeks! It will of course be softened down to take the edge off of the effect.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-21_zps35c98c5f.jpg)

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-22_zpsdd6f41af.jpg)

Well there you go then?? Getting close to a finish? Must do the propeller, although I've gotten used to the "jet nose cone" effect, a couple of wheels I suppose, and then hopefully once it gets signed off by the powers that be ... (that's you lot by the way).
I might even get it in the "Completed models" thread - Oh be still my pitter-pattering heart.

Cheers lads.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on December 29, 2013, 02:43:40 AM: Nice return to the active file, Andi! That's a very busy and impressive bit of rigging and certainly indicates your "virgin" days are done. Really effective weathering overall and I really like the fuel stains....... Nice work!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: IFF1418 on December 29, 2013, 03:10:02 AM: I totally agree with Lance Andi. Your rigging is absolutely fantastic. Wonderfull weathering! I really like your build very much. Great modeling.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: rhallinger on December 29, 2013, 03:41:48 AM: Andi, this is just a fantastic job on a difficult build. She really looks the part! Excellent weathering, staining and rigging. ;D I have built this kit, and can say you have made an outstanding model from it. Very convincing sand very well done! ;D She'll look even better with a prop and wheels. ;)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Nigel Jackson on December 29, 2013, 04:10:16 AM: Very nice Andi on what is such a tricky kit. You've shown us just what can be done.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: RAGIII on December 29, 2013, 09:52:24 AM: Andi,
I can't say enough about how terrific your N Looks! Weathering, rigging, all are Stunning! You make me ashamed I haven't gotten into the Turnbuckle thing :-[
RGAIII
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: xmald on December 29, 2013, 09:57:19 AM: Both the weathering and the rigging looks terrific mate!!! One of the most beautiful MS N`s I`ve ever seen!
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Nanks on December 29, 2013, 11:33:01 AM: Ive just discovered this and it looks superb! I love the turnbuckles on the rigging.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: coyotemagic on December 29, 2013, 12:57:26 PM: Splendid job on the rigging and weathering, Andi! Looks like the real thing.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on January 01, 2014, 07:05:22 AM: Many thanks for your kind words and encouragement chaps ... I must admit I feel as though I'm on the offramp now (Ooo! can't you just tell I'm a bit of a "Weather Report" fan)?

Anyhoo, I want this put to bed so I'm reaching for the finishing tape. And one of the things that needed addressing (to my eye) was the wheels themselves. Now I don't understand all the prototypical ettiquette, but the wheels themselves are made up of two pancake halves, having put enough cement between to make sure there was no dry patches I clamped them up, but only after the devils own job at trying to line them up - they just weren't concentric.

So, I had to play around like this..................................

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-23_zps9611610d.jpg)

Firstly I turned them down, not the easiest thing as the plastic is quite greasy and very soft - hence the visible "chatter" and that was going very gently.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-24_zps1da9533a.jpg)

Next there was two laminate wraps cemented to the outer tyre.

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-25_zps3d0073c4.jpg)

And then of course this was turned down to a tyre-ish shape. ............. This is the first turning with a bit of grey primer thrown at it to allow me to see what I've got ... and it's a bearable start? Certainly better than what I started with.
This can obviously be fettled up to one's hearts content, but that ridge around the one o'clock position looks to my eye like a line of caked mud sticking to the tyre - doubt if I could of modelled it any better? I shall of course neaten them up, but I'm tempted to leave that line of mud.

That's it for now then - hopefully a finished pic' soon???

Cheers all.................
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: gfadvance on January 01, 2014, 07:50:09 PM: Still here Andi, just watching out of earshot ;)

Making great progress and that dreaded "F" word looks like it will become a reality!

Definitely grab that little line on the tyre , as you say just made for "caked mud"

All the best for 2014
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Andi Little on January 05, 2014, 05:16:36 AM: Many thanks Gordon - always good to hear from you, and of course the same by return.

BIG NEWS................?

..................................................................................Is this done???

(http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x248/Andismodelpages/Morane%20Saulnier/Morane-26_zps021959ad.jpg)

Just being daft! - As far as I'm concerned that's it. There's a few things that I could fiddle with, but truth be told I've pretty much had it with this build now. Don't get me wrong - it's been great, a tough learning curve and I'm sure I'm not finished yet. But I've done right by it - stuck with it, and I think I'd struggle to learn any more from this build. I need to move forward and take what I've learnt with me.
I'm chuffed with it despite all it's faults, and after the cock-up with the cockpit: must admit my tail was drooping somewhat - it's been slow (Thanks for sticking with me) and I've appreciated every single word of encouragement up until this point.

Will you sign it off for me? Can I put it in the "completed builds" section?

Thanks everyone ............................ Andi.
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: lcarroll on January 05, 2014, 05:41:38 AM: Andi,
You've got my vote, off to Completed Models with her! This is a lovely Model; great finish and weathering effect not to mention the great job on the rigging as well. Congratulations on a superb Build and look forward to your next subject.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: Nigel Jackson on January 05, 2014, 06:01:15 AM: A tour de force Andi, well done! I've really enjoyed seeing you bring this to fruition.

Best wishes
Nigel
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: IFF1418 on January 05, 2014, 08:42:51 PM: Definitely Andi, this one should go right to Completed Models. Amazing build all the way.

Kind regards
Patrick
Title: Re: Morane-Saulnier type N ...(Special Hobby-1/32).
Post by: mgunns on January 07, 2014, 11:08:21 PM: Hello Andi:

Of course we are our worst critics. I think it is stunning. You did an outstanding job on a kit that needed a lot of coaxing and you did it quite well. Put it to bed and admire it. Maybe later you can go back to it and take of those niggling things, or you may just go, ah, that's just fine. I have found that if I go back to a kit, I just make it worse.

Best

Mark