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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: KrzysiekK on March 06, 2013, 04:55:01 AM
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Hello,
Once upon a time I managed to buy Herman Goering’s Fokker D.VIIF for decent price. However, the white outfit somehow effectively discouraged me to start the next WWI struggle until I found the article regarding VII BI BA BO written by Wojciech Sankowski.
Then I knew that the polish checker will appear...
Fokker VII with serial number 7614/18, the late Fokker Flugzeugwerke production under the number 503/18 in Polish Air Force, equipped with 160 hp engine of the Mercedes DIII serial number 36723, that what I am going to do in the near future.
I have started with motor bay. As I'm going to unveil some engine features decided to scratch motor seat, where the Mercedes was spotted.
Engine cover vents were opened little bit but in general it is not well visible..
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04935.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04946.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04949.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04950.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04951.jpg)
regards
K
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Excellent start. Looking forward to the next update.
Steve
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Lovely start, keep the updates coming.
Cheers
Pete.
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It nice to yours next model.
Adam.
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The choice of Polish Bi-Ba-Bo instead of Goering's white can only be congratulated!
Nice start, Krzysiek, looking forward to see more.
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Great stuff looking forward to seeing more of your work Krzysiek!
michael
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Beautiful work on the framing, Krzysiek.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks guys ;D
Unfortunately I am not able to find any information confirming unpainted wood on the inner sides of the fuselage as was suggested by Eddie. I did not find any info concerning other finish as well .... I leave as it is.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04956.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04957.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04959.jpg)
Seat belts had to figure out by myself
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04952.jpg)
Fuselage ready to close, Taurus Spandau guns will be adjusted later on.
regards
K
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Great detail work and painting
Steve
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Krzysiek,
Beautiful progress my old friend. Love those details and unusual markings you've chosen.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Very nice start, your cockpit and engine compartment look great!
RAGIII
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Well, well now the story becomes more complicated…
I know that D.VIIs late were covered by lozenge with optionally fuselage painted. However, in this particular 7614/18 the new thread appears, which seems to be quite interesting…
Polish colleagues certainly have heard about the polish blockbuster movie from 1930 titled "Gwiazdzista Eskadra", which copies have not survived to the present time, and certainly have not been found till present days. However, there are some photos, and I found one of them really interesting:
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/FokkerVII_5.jpg)
source: Internet
D.VII over Poznan in a streaky camo.
I'm going to take a fair / unfair hypothesis that during the Polish-Bolshevik war D.VIIF BI-BA-BO was wearing such a uniform.
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Very cool photo, K! I really like that streaking. What colors would you expect? Do you think that was an operational scheme, or one used for the movie? Either way would make a great model.
I'm really liking the Polish schemes for these WWI aircraft used post-war. Neat stuff! ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Krzysiek if you like, you can paint with streaking scheme, but on yours photo, in my opinion, this plane is painted on three colors camouflage and lather was painted on streaking camouflage. Three color scheme in Polish Air Force was introduced in 1924.
First German Fokkers D VII till 380/18 was painted on streaking camouflage. Lather all planes has lozenge zcheme.
All this data I found in this book - Fokker D.VII The lethal weapon, Tomasz Kowalski Marek Ryś, by Kagero.
I found there also picture of the same airplane (530/18) staying on the nose and there is also visible streaking camouflage on lower side of wings, such painting was newer used in Germans airplanes.
I don't know if I help you. ;)
Adam.
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Hello Krzysiek:
Nice work on the seat and the belts. It looks like you did them "the old fashioned way" with masking tape. Nicely done.
Paint schemes from the era you are modeling are pretty sketchy. Unless you have drawings or data to document colors with certainty you are pretty much on your own. Even Rown Broadbents Pheon Decal instructions always state the colors are based on the best knowledge available at the time but can be speculative.
Good luck with your model and remember to have fun and that whatever scheme you do it in, it will probably be neat.
Best
Mark
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I really like your progress on this build mate. What I like even more is the fact that it`s another model in Polish scheme in your collection. I agree wiht Mgunns the sources and photos are scarce therefore it is sometimes better to just do what you think is right than to put the model to a wardrobe due to the lack of convincing information.
Just keep up the good work!
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Right Adam, D.VII from photo might be three color with streaky camo.
As you guys suggested not to hold with project as so many questions still remain I am going to do the streaky on wings and a a base will use revell 39.
Meanwhile I have made the prop and Taurus spandaus
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04964.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04979.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04981.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04983.jpg)
regards
K
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So everything was painted with Revell 39 and secured by sidolux, then decided to do some streaky work with Revell 40 at the beginning. With the piece of sponge I achieved the promising effects.
Later on have added some similar colors to gain some life and waited for drying. After then started to implement Techmod decals on wings and no regret to say that they are somewhat overscaled and quite fragile to handle so the shortages had to be covered with paint.
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04975.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04976.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04978.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04984.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04985.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04987.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04988.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04989.jpg)
regards
K
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your work looks great so far, i like the way your streak camo effect matches the photo closely. also your prop looks VERY nice. your laminated wood effect is one of the best ive seen. as i read your thread i noticed a couple of small things i feel i should mention. the cockpit area near the pilot was fabric covered over welded metal tubing. so the woodgrain your friend informed you incorrectly. most will not notice this. second i must ask did the polish used the older img 08 spandau gun? the ones taurus produces is a model of the old early war guns used on eindeckers and such. late in the war the dvii was equiped with img 08/15 which has a smaller diameter cooling jacket and the shape of the housing for the gun mechanism is shaped different. i just want to mention this in the interest of letting you know. most people would never notice the difference and will be more occupied with the lovely build and paint work you have done.....scott
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I agree with Scott, Krzysiek. The streaking looks fantastic and matches the photo perfectly.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks guys, Scott your comments are very valuable for me.
Rigth, fabric structure should be implemented in the cockpit area..I already bought some magazine dedicated to D.VII and you 100% correct. Moreover when you have metal tubing woodgrain sound vague...Nevertheless that is the knowledge for my future builds.
Those Taurus Spandau guns are early as you said, I bought them because it was... cheaper than from other manufacturers ;D..thought that small differences would be acceptable ;). Pls if you have any other suggestions concerning this D.VII do not hesitate to let me know as I do not know lot about this Fokker version.
regards
K
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i hope i did not offend you. i think your skill shows you are an excellent modeller. i like when someone tells me something i didnt know so i learn. i just read your friend told you about the wood so i wanted to let you know for the future. only someone who has built and studied ww1 aircraft for some time will notice the guns. the maxim lMG 08 gun was used from 1915 to 1916 mostly although some were used by infantry even in ww2 . i thought maybe polish used them to replace the guns on the dvii.this build is coming along very nicely.
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Nice work. She's built to a very good standard. The little tweeks mentioned are what this hobby is all about. Learning and implimenting on the next build!
Steve
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Hey Scott, oh no I have not found your comments as offensive at all ;D I am here to learn, which tells me it the right place for me. All tips are appreciated ;D
Speaking of D.VII...forgot to show some photos with the decals
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04998.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC04999.jpg)
(http://kosior.cp.win.pl/krzysiek/warsztat/F.DVII/IS_DSC05000.jpg)
regards
K
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Excellent work on the streaking K, and your cockpit looks very nice with great wood work, the propeller is superb, well done so far.
Des.
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Coming along nicely K, and the scheme is unique. The streaking matches the photo perfectly, nice work!
Cheers,
Lance
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Krzysiek,
Awesome streaking my old friend. What paints are you using ? Keep up the outstanding work.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette