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The David Wilson Memorial Group Build 2024 => The David Wilson Memorial Group Build 2024 => Topic started by: Tim Mixon on August 02, 2024, 01:58:08 AM

Title: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 02, 2024, 01:58:08 AM: Gentlemen,
Please excuse my absence from posting and comments for the last few months. I have been busy with work and life in general. I have been following your excellent posts though.
My next project is a dual Pfalz D-XII build. I’ll be utilizing the 1/72 Toko kit for both. I’m also using some of the Part photo etch sets specific to this kit. My livery choice is the two schemes offered on my Paddinghaus decal set.

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Construction began in the cockpit area. I used a homemade tool consisting of two #11 blades glued together to scribe the wood veneer strips. I was a little heavy handed here but it will barely be noticeable when closed.

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I used the kit flooring and the PE seat, control box, fuselage bracing, etc. the kit floor will help keep everything aligned properly for installation.

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Here’s the finished interior ready to close. I scratch built the hand pump and added control cables.
The kit engine is really nice. I omitted the PE wire harness to save for an exposed engine Fokker D-VII future build.

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Numerous exterior details were added from spare PE. I tried to represent the fuselage connection seam with decal strip. This was not visible after priming though.

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Current state of affairs is the silbergrau fuselage and unit colors are sprayed on. I’m now working on the elaborate PE radiators (43 pieces each!).

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Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: NigelR on August 02, 2024, 03:00:19 AM: Nice choice, and very nice work so far, I'm loving the interior and engine.

Best of luck with the Peddinghaus decals, they don't have a great reputation......(although tbf I haven't used them myself).
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Dirigible-Al on August 02, 2024, 03:15:17 AM: I did one of these and finished it with the cabane struts partially dancing on air ( my standards were lower then) Hopefully you have heard of the reviews regarding the fit of the cabane struts but luckily this was the only issue I found in an otherwise good kit. Best of luck.
Alan.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: PrzemoL on August 02, 2024, 03:15:26 AM: That Toko kit is quite fine, I only remember I had to cut and reshape the cabane struts (the kit part is coplanar, where in reality it should not be so) otherwise, no issues.
Great start, I will be watching your progress with huge interest.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: DaddyO on August 02, 2024, 03:23:01 AM: Wowzer jumped ahead with this pair Tim 8)

Great work so far and love the two 'silver' schemes.
On my Pfalz and previous Roland I masked off a thin gap and then added a couple of extra layers of paint. (On the Pfalz I did it on the primer coat and the Roland is on the top coat) Easy to do and works effectively in 'Gentleman's scale' ;)

Paul
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Allan31 on August 02, 2024, 04:44:20 AM: Hey Tim, fast progress.
I used the Paddinghaus decals on my MvR and LvR triplanes (found in specific builds section). They work but are a little transparent in the white areas. Just a heads-up.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Dutch522 on August 02, 2024, 05:41:19 AM: Looking great so far, Tim, and glad to see you back! I was never really into these chunky a/c before, but since joining the forum my tastes have broadened considerably—I was never particuarly interested in Eindeckers until your and Gary's and Przemo's build threads got me turned on to them... now look at me, the dang things have taken over my life :-P

Dutch
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Flamingo on August 04, 2024, 06:16:56 PM: Looks promising!
Joachim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: RAGIII on August 05, 2024, 07:04:22 AM: Nicely detailed and painted interior and engine. These are looking really great!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: ScottJ on August 05, 2024, 01:03:29 PM: What could be better than a Pfalz under construction?.... Two Pfalz's under construction!
If you've built this kit (Toko/E.E.) before then I'm just being Capt. Redundant in mentioning what others have about the cabane struts, they do need some attention to function properly. Also, and I'm afraid I may be a little late here, when placed against the schematic in the data file it looks like the fuselage scales out a little short??? But as has been noted, these drawings sometimes may not be 100% accurate?
I'm keeping and eye on this build, it looks like a fun one (and I'm interested in how the Paddinghaus decals work out, I've certainly heard mixed opinions on them).
Take care
Scott...
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: KiwiZac on August 07, 2024, 11:44:03 AM: Welcome back Tim, and a great project to come back with!
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 09, 2024, 01:48:38 PM: The main reason I purchased the Part Photo etch set for this project was to assemble the radiator. The kit part is quite adequately detailed but I thought I would jazz it up with the PE.
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47 separate parts are going to be a real challenge to assemble.

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A little over half way through and it’s not looking good!
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Well… kinda looks as if it survived a blunt impact with a brick wall. Good thing I saved the kit part. Bad news is I only have one. I’ll try to make a silicone mold and resin cast another.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: DaddyO on August 09, 2024, 05:48:04 PM: Blimey Tim Fair play on putting together that radiator (I took one look at the parts on the etched brass PART sheet and thought 'not a chance' ;) A thought that often crosses my mind when seeing what is offered on the sheets)

Paul
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: NigelR on August 09, 2024, 06:08:32 PM: Wow, that's some brass sandwich! I too am frequently amazed by what the PE makers expect us to do. This was a game attempt, but sometimes the kit parts turn out ok....
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 09, 2024, 09:25:26 PM: Thank you Paul, Nigel. One thought is that I may take it apart and try to salvage the exterior part and scratch build the interior. I’ll be home today to check on my silicone mold and attempt a resin cast.
More to come soon.

Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: RAGIII on August 09, 2024, 09:58:25 PM: That PE radiator is insane! You earned My respect for just attempting to assemble that thing!! I am sure whatever direction you go with the replacement it will be fine!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 10, 2024, 11:11:12 PM: Radiators Part 2

Here is the Toko part. I painted a dirty wash to highlight the detail. It really is very nice and I should have just used it in the first place.
It is sitting on top of the silicone mold I made to cast another one.
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Here I have poured the resin and am waiting for it to cure. I decided to cast a double row Oberursel 14 cylinder engine with the extra resin.

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Not a bad job! I can work with this.
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I decided to use some spare Rosemont resin Spandau parts, replacing the jackets with PE and making wire gunsight rings.
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Now off to the paint shed.

Thanks for looking in!
Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: RAGIII on August 11, 2024, 01:05:05 AM: Excellent results from the casting project! Looking forward to the next step!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: KiwiZac on August 11, 2024, 08:53:17 AM: I was worried when I saw the PE fret, wondering what I was looking at that would make a radiator...oh heck!! Nice work on the kit piece (a wash is such a simple, effective idea) and cloning it - well worth the effort.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: NigelR on August 11, 2024, 06:11:12 PM: That resin mould worked nicely, good job. We're not seeing the Spandaus though, you cut off some of the BB code....
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: macsporran on August 12, 2024, 02:02:29 AM: Wow, that's some insane work on that radiator - in 1/72 too!
Great wheez on duplicating the second one.
Looking forward to the colours.
Sandy
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: FAf on August 12, 2024, 03:24:02 AM: Good work on that radiator. I suppose making a copy was easier work than the PE-variant, and doesn't it look better as well?!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: PrzemoL on August 12, 2024, 06:56:21 PM: Indeed great, that you did not get rid of the original radiator.

Yet, you were braver than my, attempting to assemble that Part PE... I just looked at it and gave up immediately, somehow forseeing, that the kit part with some wash will be much better.

Looking forward to more progress on your fine double build.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: lone modeller on August 13, 2024, 07:56:52 AM: I too wondered how the PE would go - especially as I am not a fan of the stuff. Your kit part and clone are more than good enough IMHO - and will certainly be to your usual very high standard.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 14, 2024, 01:01:25 AM: Thank you all for your comments and support. I’ve been very busy with these two builds the last few days. Too busy for taking any in-progress shots.
My radiator cast worked out very well. Honestly I can’t tell which one is the original.
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The lozenge is Quinta 5 color top and bottom. These decals are very translucent so have to be applied over a gloss white surface. None of my other lozenge match the colors so I’m unable to cut rib tapes. I ended up using the Eagle Strike rib tapes. Not entirely correct for the Pfalz built machines but I think look pretty cool.
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The Peddinghaus decals work well but the white is very translucent. I ended up doubling the national makings which ended up with a thick carrier film on the fuselage.
The red tailed one has the original Toko decals
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A lot of work on the engine and guns. Very busy in here but looks good when completed. I had to thin the pre molded ammo feed chutes to get the guns to fit properly.
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Next up is the upper wing and placement.

Thanks for looking in!
Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: RAGIII on August 14, 2024, 01:47:05 AM: The radiators really turned out Beautifully! I actually don't see how that PE would have been an improvement! Lozenge looks great and I for one would never have known the rib tape might not be correct. Looking fantastic!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Dutch522 on August 14, 2024, 02:19:23 AM: Great progress, Tim, the XII is another type that I never gave much thought to until I saw your build, but now I'm wishing (as I often do) that I hadn't missed the Wingnut boat.

Dutch
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Flamingo on August 14, 2024, 06:47:59 PM: Realy like the close-up of the business end!
Cheers Joachim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: torbiorn on August 15, 2024, 05:05:25 AM: Just started to catch up with all these threads. A beautiful pair, the radiators and guns make them look much larger than they are. The moulding is inspirational, I’ve yet to try.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: NigelR on August 16, 2024, 08:10:32 PM: Excellent work Tim, those are looking fantastic.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: FAf on August 18, 2024, 04:41:14 PM: Well done on overcoming the different issues encountered. Both aircraft look really nice!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: DaddyO on August 18, 2024, 04:50:48 PM: Looking great
(I really need to get around to one of these at some point)

Paul
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Allan31 on August 30, 2024, 09:06:28 AM: Tim, to make molds for casting a couple of copies without the expense of silicone, try this stuff, works great with just hot water.

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And once finished, you can heat it up again and use it for something else. I mean, how many Pfalz D.XII radiators will we ever need in our life...

Great job on those little beauties...
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on September 10, 2024, 01:33:22 AM: Sorry it’s been so long since my last post. Work has been keeping me busy. I have been able to get some bench time in though.
I cut masks for the wheels and added some details to the kit undercarriage.
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The wings were covered in Quinta studio lozenge. I used Eagle Strike rib tapes. Salmon color on one and Blue on the other.

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The undercarriage is complete and rigged with EZ line.

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Attachment of the upper wing will be very difficult on this kit because the supplied cabane struts do not fit properly . I decided to use my Aeroclub wing jig.

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This jig locks the model in place as well as the upper wing. Makes for a stable platform to scratch build the cabane struts.
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The rear cabane struts are in place. I’ll paint these, then add the front pair.
Thanks for looking in!
Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: NigelR on September 10, 2024, 06:26:17 PM: These are looking really good Tim. Nice work on scratchbuilding the cabane struts.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: torbiorn on September 22, 2024, 02:51:30 AM: Concur, can’t wait to see the final result.

Those are some skinny chicken legs though!
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Tim Mixon on October 30, 2024, 10:13:13 AM: Finito!

I have finally completed these two builds. I had to remove the top wing twice because I had the cabane struts too long. Even though I used the Aeroclub jig I still managed to get the measurements wrong. This it is not exactly an easy build. I really complicated things by adding the Part photo etch set. The base kit is adequately detailed in my opinion.
Not impressed with Peddinghaus decals at all. Even with doubling the national markings the white portion was still transparent.
All rigging is fine EZ Line.
The Pfalz D.XII was not an overall improvement over the previous Pfalz D.IIIa but I find it to be an impressive looking aircraft.
First up is Lt. Thiel?s aircraft of Jasta 49 France 1918.
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.Next is Widfang from Jasta 17. Unknown (to me) pilot.
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The D-XII may not have been as famous as the Fokker D-VII but I think it looks very robust. I?m attracted to pretty much all of the Pfalz designs. A wide range of color schemes are available as well. I?ll certainly be building more but not anytime soon!
It?s been a pleasure participating in this group build in Dave?s honor. I appreciate so much all he has done to advance our niche in this hobby!
Thanks for looking in!

Tim
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: NigelR on October 30, 2024, 07:20:59 PM: Well done for finishing both on time Tim, they both look great. Very nice finish on both planes, they look very convincing. Definitely worth the effort!
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: DaddyO on October 30, 2024, 07:53:09 PM: Lovely job Tim 8)

Great to see these being built. Like you, I've a soft spot for Pfalz' and it's good to see a pair of the old Toko kits being built in gentleman's scale ;)

Paul
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: FokkerFodder on October 31, 2024, 01:27:44 AM: Very nice! And I have a soft spot for Pfalz aircraft as well - I always enjoyed having lunch at the Australian War Memorial and looking at the DXII dangling just outside the window. We seemed to be quite avid collectors of Great War trophies and diligent in dragging them back home!

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: PrzemoL on October 31, 2024, 05:49:11 AM: A lovely couple!
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: macsporran on October 31, 2024, 09:44:26 AM: A nice kette of Pfalzen!
Sandy
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Allan31 on November 01, 2024, 05:29:18 AM: Bravo Tim, great looking pair. Glad you got 'em done just in time.
The Peddinghaus decals are often the only game in town but not a very good one. Too bad he doesn't just double print the white.
I swore I wasn't going to buy more kits but your Pfalz's have me rethinking, damn.......
Your usual top-notch building quality.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Dirigible-Al on November 01, 2024, 05:06:43 PM: You have certainly done a good job of them Tim. Well done, they look great.
Alan.
Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Allan31 on November 24, 2024, 06:21:50 AM: Great pair Tim,

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And for the record, below is all your fault.......

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Title: Re: Pfalz D.XII dual build. 1/72 Toko
Post by: Skyhook on November 27, 2024, 12:59:41 AM: Excellent piece of modelwork! i have also built one of Toko?s Pfalzes back in the day, but it was nowhere close to the quality you achieved. Great!