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The David Wilson Memorial Group Build 2024 => The David Wilson Memorial Group Build 2024 => Topic started by: Skyhook on May 23, 2024, 04:55:14 AM
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Hello!
This is a first post from me on this forum for a long long time. I have been totally sidetracked to other things and some modelling too, but this time I built just kits and moreover from a wrong war (models of planes of the Pacific theatre of operations, especially japanese and US). I have been checking out the under construction thread from time to time and was very sad to see the news about Dave’s final flight, so to speak….
So for the Dave’s memory i too will fire up the ww1 subjects again and i will join this build by scratchbuilding an Albatross C.V/17 in 1/72scale. I already made the scribing for the wings and will send photos here in a day or two.
Cheers, Skyhook
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Great to hear Skyhook, good to see you back with us again! Looking forward to seeing more on what promises to be an exciting build :)
Cheers,
BC
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This will be very interesting to follow and well done for contributing to the group build.
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Great! Looking forward to your build, I really like the lesser known Albatros C types.
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I like all Albatros aircraft so seeing any get built will be great.
Alan.
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Thanks a lot, gentlemen… for the warm welcome (again)….
So here we go.
Here’s the start. Firstly I took a couple of photocopies of the drawings in the Aircraft Archive book. I will be also using the Windsock Datafile as the main source for finer details and photos.
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I used a sheet of a plastic transparency (meant for old overhead projectors in a classroom) for the wing surfaces. I taped it on top of the drawings, marked the necessary lines and marks for the ailerons etc. with a thin permanent marker. Then l scribed the ribs with a ballpoint pen, using moderate pressure. A decent ruler and good concentration helps a lot. I also had a soft cardboard sheet under it all, to allow the plastic to be scribed well. As the C.V is fully camouflaged, I do not have to worry about translucence of the wings and any markings or pen lines in the inside of the surfaces do not cause any real problems.
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After that I did the same for lower wings. I carefully scribed the leading edges too and folded the plastic sheet to form the whole wing.
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I also did the horizontal tail surfaces the same way. The elevators and tailplane taper to almost every direction and the thickness changes a lot spanwise and chordwise. So I have to make a rather large pieces for the surfaces, so I can get them sit well on the sanded balsa cores and there has to be enough material for the cutting and sanding to correct shape.
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So that’s it for a start. Next up I will make the balsa cores and do some careful contact-gluing. More after the weekend!
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Wow, what a clever way of scratching the wings. Looking forward to seeing this come together.
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Thanks! It was a warm Spring day here, so I did the wing work outside. Balsawood dust is very annoying stuff, so it is indeed much more nicer this way.
Firstly, i use a piece of hardwood as the sanding base. It has to have a straight edge, so you can sand the core profile evenly. The core is cut into shape from 1,5 mm balsawood. I make the core 2-3 mm smaller than the actual wing from the trailing edge. So its just plastic to plastic there, resulting in a very sharp edge.
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Now they are ready for the glueing. I used two types of sanding paper, attached to a sanding block to achieve a cromatic profile curvature.
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It is important to cut the leading edge open where the corner is rounded. Otherwise the plastic has no way to follow the core cleanly.
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Now the contact glue is spread evenly on the insides of the plastics and the balsa cores. Now it is the time to let it dry for 10-15 mins.
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I have several blocks of wood sanded to different profiles. This one is good for this wing profile
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I attach the plastic wing surface open to the edge of the block with a piece of masking tape, so it won’t be moving around. It is important to put the top surface with false ribs up! It is too easy to mix the upper and lower side, done that a few times…
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When the core is properly pressed against the block and has a good contact with the lower surface plastic, it is time to press the topside down and press it in place. From mid wing to the tips, gently but firmly.
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Here they are! When taken off from the block, press the tips into proper shape and check all the corners. The washout can also be added now to the ailerons if needed. You see that i have a plenty of surplus material around the core. It is a cleaner job this way and also easier to get the tips into right shape.
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Then i mark the final lines over the drawings for cutting the wings into shape.
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Here they are cut, sanded and the scalloping added to the trailing edges with a good Xcto knife…
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I added a coat of primer grey to show you the final shape and surface. I will then cut the ailerons, add hinges and the radiator etc. But that will happen a bit later…. I think i will start the fuselage next week. Btw, you also can see that the Spring has been a bit late here this year and it is rather dry!
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I have just found this - an excellent project!
I have seen the balsa core method described before, but your method of using acatate for the covering is a new method for me. I am very impressed by the wings - they look very good.
An interesting project so I will be following with interest.
Stephen.
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Really amazing scratchbuilding going on here! The wings look awesome!
RAGIII
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Superb modelling. The wings look fantastic, and thanks for sharing detailed shots of your process.
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Very interesting project. Your wings are excellent!
Some years ago I researched the C.V, C.VII and C.X in some depth.
Good idea to use the Stair drawing. There may be two minor problems with the forward fuselage,
the upper profile probably was more straight and horizontal and the section at B appears to have
straight vertical sides.
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Here is a photo to support the section B, it is a C.V/16 but should not differ from the later variant.
If you would like more stuff on the type check your messages.
Joachim
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Here is a photo to support the section B, it is a C.V/16 but should not differ from the later variant.
If you would like more stuff on the type check your messages.
Joachim
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Thanks! All specialist info and advice is warmly aprreciated. My main motivation for choosing the Albatross C.V as the subject was based mainly in its relative simplicity; the engine is fully enclosed, so there is a major part of the project already taken care of :). I too feel that the aerodynamic shape of the nose was decided balancing between the easy construction and efficient shape. For example the fuselages of Alb. fighters D.1 to D.3 were probably much more like rounded boxes than the perfect fish shape of the D.V.
Cheers, Skyhook
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This is more of a tutorial than an update and a really good one at that. I will definitely try the clear plastic method next time I attempt to make wings.
Thanks, Alan.
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Beautiful work, Harry Woodman would be proud of you! Looking forward to following this thread.
Dutch
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Thanks, guys! St. Harry of Scratchbuilding is one of my heroes indeed :). And yes, this time i decided to put a detailed photo documentation of the methods i use in case they might be helpful for someone. I have done ww1 scratchbuilding in 1/72 for a long time and would very much like to spread the word….it is fun! There are absolutely amazing scratchprojects going on here in this forum (even in 1/144!) and i too just want to share some ideas i have developed over the years.
Ok, so it is the fuselage time for a change. Firstly i cut the sideplates from 0,75 mm plasticard. One might think it is a bit thick for the purpose, but i want to bring some strenght for it and you won’t see the thickness when it is ready.
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I started the building from the stern, so I can observe the shape over the plans easily.
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Now the bulkheads are in place. The area of the cockpits is done with strips instead of actual walls. I use tiny amounts of superglue for attachment and secure it with a bit of very thin liquid cement, it also works as a kicker for the superglue.
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You see that i have added some material also inside the bow part. That is to allow for the sanding into shape later. It all probably looks a bit heavy, but won’t be seen in the end.
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I then added the inner structure with strips of 0,25 plasticard and different thicknesses of heat stretched sprue. Here the liquid cement is absolutely necessary. It has also received a coat of base color to show the structure. I will construct the top of the fuselage next, i will add the cockpit area floor last.
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Lovely work, I am transfixed.......
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Those are some beautiful wings!
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I really like the way you do the wings !What brand of contact glue do you use?
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Amazingly quick work. It also looks Amazing ;D Terrific work to date!
RAGIII
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"I used two types of sanding paper, attached to a sanding block to achieve a cromatic profile curvature."could you please explain, I don't understand "cromatic".
"St. Harry of Scratchbuilding" wonderful!
Will watch your progress of the fuselage when you do the rounded parts with highest interest.
Greetings Joachim
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I really like the way you do the wings !What brand of contact glue do you use?
Hi!
This time I used a brand called Bison. I have used many brands and have not noticed any significant differences. The main point is that glue is rather thin/new. As it gets older in the tube, it usually becomes thicker and harder to spread evenly. Thinner helps for that, of course…
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"I used two types of sanding paper, attached to a sanding block to achieve a cromatic profile curvature."could you please explain, I don't understand "cromatic".
"St. Harry of Scratchbuilding" wonderful!
Will watch your progress of the fuselage when you do the rounded parts with highest interest.
Greetings Joachim
Thanks Joachim for the articles you sent me! Excellent! They will certainly help me with the shape of the front panels. With chromatic I meant a smooth curve, without any ”stairs” or dents.
Btw, I did some work for the underside. I added plasticard to the lower front part and will sand it in shape. I have not decided yet how i will take care of the upper cowlings. I will first examine the photos you sent me properly and read the Flight article.
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Wow, what a project. I will follow it with great interest.
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I greatly admire those of you who can do this type of building!
RAGIII
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I greatly admire those of you who can do this type of building!
RAGIII
Me too! I'm sorry I'm so late to this build - not only is it fun to follow but it's a great (unintended) tutorial on how it's done.
I'm excited for the next update!
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This is incredible work, Skyhook. A great tutorial!
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Thanks all for your encouraging interest!
Busy times at work, but I found a few moments to spare at home and managed to progress with the fuselage. Next photos will show you that my working methods are not very cleanly engineered. It is more like sculpting and sanding to shape. And if some interior detail will not be visible in the final model, i will lazily skip it without any regrets….all you see is what you get:). Must be me getting old…
But anyway….firstly I heat-formed a couple of pieces of plasticard with very hot water. The other i clamped over a brush handle and the other I taped to a knife handle. I washed over them for 10 seconds with nearly boiling hot water and then immediately rinsed them with cold water. After that they stay nicely in shape.
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I then cut them near to the actual shape and glued them into place. After properly cured, I cut away the excess stuff and constructed the front end from small pieces of 1mm plasticard.
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Then I drilled and cut the cockpit openings. Note the two strips of plastic in front of the fuselage, that look like cut fingernails. They will form the raised sides of the observer cockpit.
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Now they are glued to their place. I will make their shape more aerodynamic later with some putty and filework
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Some guide painting and sanding has been done already and now I add the padding to the front cockpit. I simply glue some heat stretched sprue to the rim. The opening has to be cut slightly oversize to allow for the padding.
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More sanding, puttying and some base color to help to see the problems. Now it is clearly getting there…
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Here’s a sideview. You see that I made the front rather straight in horizontal plane. According to photos (courtesy of Joachim!) it really looks like to go that way. Most drawings show it more curved (but the actual drawing made for the Flight article in 1917 has similar side profile to what i am doing here). I will make the slope in the front a bit less angular, but I firstly have to decide from what kit i will appropriate the spinner from…possibly a spare from Roden or Revell Albatross fighter. Then i will finetune the shape. There’s some work also with some lines and edges on the sides. They are still a bit haphazard at this point.
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More later, cheers
Skyhook
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I'm absolutely loving this project! It's tremendous fun to see all the 3D printed wizardry going on in the modeling world these days, but seeing the magic being worked with plastic card and strip and liquid cement here on the Forum really take me back to the days when I scoured the local hobby shops for those exotic (to my 12-year old self!) imported issues of the UK Scale Models with its articles by the aforementioned St Harry in the early 1970s.
Keep up the great work, can't wait to see the next installment.
Dutch
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I'm absolutely loving this project! It's tremendous fun to see all the 3D printed wizardry going on in the modeling world these days, but seeing the magic being worked with plastic card and strip and liquid cement here on the Forum really take me back to the days when I scoured the local hobby shops for those exotic (to my 12-year old self!) imported issues of the UK Scale Models with its articles by the aforementioned St Harry in the early 1970s.
Keep up the great work, can't wait to see the next installment.
Dutch
I certainly agree with Dutch! As for not doing things that won't be seen...I am all in!
RAGIII
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Like the others I am loving this old fashioned (in the best sense) scratchbuild using the folded scribed wing and heat moulded curves etc. Takes me right back. (I am mortified to find an old Scale Models magazine where I made an FE2b like this, wait for it, back in 1973!) Shome mishtake shurely!
Thank you for showing us that the old ways are still the good ways and I am loving your work. Can't wait to see some colour on this.
Sandy
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Loving this build to! Learnt alot
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Me too... This does take me back ages ago to my first scratch builds, a Fokker E.III and a DH.2 (the Revell kits were not available here, I didn't even know they existed...) The rectangular shape of the Fokker fuselage was easy to do but I've had to heat form the the DH.2 nacelle. The wings were sanded and scribed Evergreen plastic.
So I'm watching your build with great interest Skyhook, and it looks like the end result will be great!
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Looks promising...
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Amazing, these scratch builds always humble me.....
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Thank You, all….
Now the project is slowly picking up speed after a few busy days. I sanded the nose quite heavily as you can see. Then I made a circular loop of brass wire (using a brush handle of correct diameter, tightening it around the handle by twisting it with pliers and then cutting the ”ponytail” off). I glued it to the front to portray the thin rim of the cowling behind the spinner.
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Then I filled the resulting ”trench” and other cavities in the nose with putty and sanded some more. I also made the spinner (cut it from a 1/48 Spitfire spare!) and sanded some more to bring the the whole lot to a better general shape.
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There’s also the fuel tank/seat construction and instrument panel already in place. Now I can add some other details to cockpits, add the floor panel and then work the outside details too…
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Cheers, Skyhook
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There’s more! I added quite a bit of details to the cockpits. Note the rudder bar on the right. It is easy to place them from below, before i add the floorplate.
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Now it is there and the floor has been added, already painted. I inserted the control column from above, gluing it to the rather complicated tube system on the cockpit floor. I did all the tubing from heat stretched sprue, different thicknesses.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53775142587_302749ef6c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEoP)77476568-042B-4491-AD00-786B107F0155 (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEoP) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
The fin is integral part of the fuselage, so I cut and sanded it from 1 mm plasticard, thinning it quite bit at the edges by sanding. Some puttywork needed to make it a part of the actual fuselage.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53775142502_3e1874203d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEnm)50B84A39-1A8F-4642-B55D-A13E14037CC4 (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEnm) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Now it is sanded to its shape and the horizontal tailpieces cut and glued to their place. Some careful sanding was needed to get them sit right and straightly.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53776057226_055e76ba7e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pW1mhs)C19D5FEC-A17F-4212-9D57-4B0363A7CA3C (https://flic.kr/p/2pW1mhs) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
When the tail was drying under the base paint, i cut the ailerons and glued them back after some finishing with a file (and superglue to seal the balsa that came visible in places; I wanted to glue them like on a slight turn). I added also the hinges and the actuators. I made the hinges by heat stretching a narrow strip of a 0,5 mm plasticard. It is an easy way to obtain very thin strips of constant width.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53775142507_7772f3811f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEnr)5AD15538-2F90-44E9-9B07-D783FD88FBEC (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEnr) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Elevator and rudder got the same treatment. I also cut the openings to the cowling area for the exhaust and the machine gun. I also added the panel lines and hinges and fasteners using different lenghts of heat stretched strips. Some lines i also carved with an xacto blade. It will look good under paint, i hope…
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53775142467_d2e453a29c_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEmK)62253F4A-5FAB-49D3-B148-B3E80918F12D (https://flic.kr/p/2pVVEmK) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhook
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Just caught up with this thread and really enjoying your progress and techniques; can't wait to see the finished bird
Paul
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Hi Ami,
that looks very good! The shape of that elegant type has been achieved convincingly.
I like it much more than the C.XII.
The double ruder bar of the drawings is probably a special feature for a short legged pilot!
Keep on
Joachim
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Superb work, this is looking fantastic.
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Thanks, Guys…much appreciated!
This morning I painted the fuselage. I used Xctracolor light grey for the cowling and paintedthe fuselage firstly with a grey base. Then I covered it with Citadel Acrylic Averland sunset. It is rather yellow, but with the grey base underneath, looks quite like a varnished plywood. Then i drew the panel lines with a 2B pencil (very sharp). After that I simulated the plywood grain with thinned Humbrol Matt 62 (dull reddish brown) with a thin brush. Finally I put a semi-gloss finish on it all…
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53777981380_2d98beb223_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWbdgw)1C8BC8FF-C371-4EC2-A0B2-182D47937B5D (https://flic.kr/p/2pWbdgw) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Then it was time for the lower wings. I used a strong superglue and simple butt-join. Cleaned the paint from the appropriate places in the fuselage first. Machine gun and the exhaust came from my Spares box; Roden and Eduard models have kept me well supplied!
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53777981385_2093b72fcd_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWbdgB)65AE500D-B09A-4F5F-93E2-B184E3C365B4 (https://flic.kr/p/2pWbdgB) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Next I will probably will be trying to choose the colors for the wings….
Cheers, Skyhook
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The wood panelling looks very effective, well done!
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Outstanding work! Those wood panels look excellent; subtlety is key in 1/72 and you have nailed it.
Looking forward to seeing more!
Cheers
BC
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Your processes are fun to watch unfold and have resulted in an excellent outcome. Your Albatros is really taking shape and looking the part!
RAGIII
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Wow great progress! ;D
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So beautiful...
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Thank you very much, fellow modellers!
Very soon it is the time to add the protective tapes to the edges of the fuselage. The pictures show them sometimes dark, sometimes light when compared to the varnished plywood. Any ideas? Otherwise I will go with dark grey or something as boring :)
Cheers, Skyhook
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Light
https://www.flickr.com/photos/mj_100/10820923194 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/mj_100/10820923194)
Dark
https://www.brussels-air-museum.be/en/conservation-en/lvg-c-vi/ (https://www.brussels-air-museum.be/en/conservation-en/lvg-c-vi/)
Dark
http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html (http://memorial.flight.free.fr/indexuk.html)
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Awesome work indeed!
Cheers,
Gary
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Thanks! And special thanks to Joachim for the links. Looks like the fuselage tapes were of very dull colors. I probably go with mid grey.
But here’s the latest progress:
I made the circular inspection lids out of white PVA glue as I have done previously too. I make a sprue tool, round and slightly smaller in diameter than the hoped for result. I simply stamp lightly a drop of glue to the right place. With a little practice it is easy and results in a good looking panel. As it dries, it becomes almost flat, just a little bulging as it should be. If it goes wrong, it is easy to lift off when dry and then try again.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53782953192_414d62a5a8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWBGdq)9B7D3771-A8AD-49A5-9DC2-264E17FFA584 (https://flic.kr/p/2pWBGdq) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53783891346_910938c642_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWGv6u)47CBFB69-2453-4419-89F9-B5E1F9999E4E (https://flic.kr/p/2pWGv6u) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
I also made the fairing for the radiator pipe from very thin aluminium.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53782953177_d64dfb0047_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWBGda)7C729B56-6B40-4238-A8A7-071DDFE0C12B (https://flic.kr/p/2pWBGda) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Then it is time for painting of the wings. I used the period three-tone camouflage that Albatross used at the time. I simulated the scheme from the only good photo I have found of the upper scheme of a C.V/17. It is that famous photo in the wintry Johannisthal. Seems that the lightest colour is at the tips of the upper wings. Looks like the order of the colors seems to have a lot of variation in practice. There’s good photos of C.VIIs, but they seem to have the lighter color mostly in two bands in the mid of each of the top wing halves.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53782953197_b408d657e8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWBGdv)DBE728FC-A9DE-4AA2-83B5-0A9737A2D40A (https://flic.kr/p/2pWBGdv) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Then I made the opening for the radiator after cutting the top wing in two. Now it is jigged to the correct dihedral and thin steel wire added to the middle. The plasticard radiator is also in place and actually providing most support for the superglue connection between the wing panels.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53784217844_458d5e6dff_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWJb9L)43F502F4-40EF-480C-BB26-4DE38E32758A (https://flic.kr/p/2pWJb9L) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
And now the gun ring and windscreen are in place. It can also be seen that I have painted the inspection panels with grey. I used the same method; a lenght of sprue and with that I stamped the panels with paint…just like i did the panels with pva glue.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53784217839_be009c01bf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWJb9F)3E573E60-29E7-473D-964B-F5D905C4AC00 (https://flic.kr/p/2pWJb9F) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhook
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Very impressive!
But the Spandau looks a bit strange, the barrel should be at the bottom, the rectangular ammunition on the right and the circular spent cartridges on the left.
Sorry for nit-picking.
Joachim
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Thanks! Good points all! I think I will replace the mg with a photoetched one if I just can find one. Will change the tubes etc. at the same time. I think I will also replace the light green shade with a different paint. The acrylic I used didn’t work too well and became worse under the semi gloss finish. The shade is also a bit too grasslike, I think…should be more greyish green I believe.
Cheers, Skyhook
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Very impressive work! I love the camo colors. Again, this one is taking shape...quickly and expertly!
RAGIII
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Hehe! :)
Situation now
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53785281278_d972945528_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pWPCgQ)DAE88243-2EFB-4FC3-9271-09E10F900145 (https://flic.kr/p/2pWPCgQ) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhook
Btw, i load my pics to Flickr and paste the links here in a quite a bit smaller format. You can see the details (and mistakes!) better when you click them and Flickr opens the pic with better resolution.
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Much better, MG and light green!
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Very ice work, I think the camo looks better. That is such a clever way of making inspection covers, I would never have thought of anything like that!
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Excellent progress. The MG and camo, even though I was good with the first, look better.
RAGIII
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Thanks!
Lately I have mainly doing decal work and painting the numbers etc. Next i will be starting the cabane structure and wing struts.
Cheers, Skyhook
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53788353357_451e4f47c6_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pX6nuH)E49471C8-F556-4E70-A3FB-F09BD3ED28DD (https://flic.kr/p/2pX6nuH) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
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They always look even better with markings! This is awesome.
RAGIII
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Thanks!
I constructed the cabane structure of split and sanded bamboo strips. The horizontal bar is heat stretched sprue. I used to work with The legendary Strutz brass profile rods, but they have been unavailable for years and years (as far as I know). Since then I have used split bamboo, because it is very cheap and easily available (i use ones sold as skewers for barbecue etc. :)) and it is also very stiff in the scale thickness. For round profiles I use metal wire.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53797447584_9f97236730_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pXTYTJ)5EC4F990-C3A2-4C8C-869A-1FF1DFC14352 (https://flic.kr/p/2pXTYTJ) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Here it is under a base paint
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53797126571_9ab07b5846_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pXSkt2)4C5AB895-1A1C-4A14-9412-1FD3A366F6F7 (https://flic.kr/p/2pXSkt2) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhook
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Now i glued the upper wing to the cabane. Very carefully, paying a lot of attention to aligning the wings and fuselage correctly. Before this I added the ”walkways” and pencil markings for the wing sturts in the wing surfaces. I note that I forgot to add the compass to the lower wing, but will add that later.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53797212061_670fcc342e_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pXSLSZ)5503027E-3A48-481A-916D-E314BC0645DF (https://flic.kr/p/2pXSLSZ) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Now it is time to add the wing struts (split bamboo, sanded and cut to shape). I use my a bit unusual method. I fristly add the inner front struts. They have a small hole just in the lower wing! That gives more freedom to adjust the sturt completely straight and aligned… i just add small drop superglue to the upper end when the plane is upside down and the strut in the right place. Then I do the outer front strut in the same way, but the hole and the first gluing point is in the upper wing. I always wait for enough time to let the glue set properly (tamiya super thin liquid glue acts as a good kicker for superglue, though), before i proceed to the next pair of struts. I do it this way because it is very very hard to get everything straight if you make the holes for every strut beforehand. And the end result is strong enough, you just have to be careful enough during the construction…
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53797212051_b6f89037ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pXSLSP)29172496-BBBF-448F-89CD-AA577D9AE3B7 (https://flic.kr/p/2pXSLSP) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53797628150_bb0c3939ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pXUUyW)5656F76C-95FB-4649-8A82-6B7E443D3FDF (https://flic.kr/p/2pXUUyW) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhook
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That's all looking very good and your strut work is very impressive. A nice colourful scheme as well.
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The markings are looking great! Always a good feeling when the upper wing is added!
RAGIII
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Nice progress! Looking very good.
Interesting to learn about the different methods of modellers.
Tried bamboo myself but found it difficult to get rid of the surface structure,
I prefer copper wire hammered flat or sheet which can be soldered.
Regards Joachim
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Thanks!
Now i decided to take care of the wheels. I could have taken some spares from Roden or Eduard models, but they are generally for fighter types and a bit too small and light for a heavy 2-seater. And now I can show you my technique, which looks perhaps a bit crude, but in my opinion works rather nicely.
At first, I cut two discs, a bit oversized, from a 0,5 mm plasticard. I use a heavy duty compass tool, that is sharp enough to scrape the plastic easily. I work from both sides, so the discs come off easily.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802354780_54a137923d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYk8Cy)F2B10F68-AFB7-456A-B79F-6F2454815913 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYk8Cy) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Actually, I later had to note that I should have cut them a bit larger, but here they are.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53800988347_b001e3fce8_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd8rn)87A85AEB-BBA5-4F20-A6E4-6F26E7CAED18 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd8rn) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Then i took 0,7 mm plasticard and i made two holes. This will be the outer half of the tyre. I used 0,5 mm for another pair…these will be the inner half of the wheels.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53800988357_5c618cc93d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd8rx)E1BAEB90-7B5F-4691-8A6F-45D9E4AAEE96 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd8rx) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
I have several different tools for modifying those holes. I use a electrical hand drill for the work. Different shapes for different things, that ball-shaped is important for getting the inner sides of the tyreplates curved in the right way.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802165183_f5141b43de_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYjagD)9BD84CC4-4419-4F9A-99AE-BA324B36E5CD (https://flic.kr/p/2pYjagD) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
This is a special one. I have a nice piece of plastic, originating as the seal for a car motor oil can. It has the right shape for the outer wheel centre. I have glued it to a piece of wood.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53800988397_64653f32bf_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd8se)7BD55E37-518D-44F2-906D-5E8F6AD2C557 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd8se) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
I use it as a mould for heat forming the canvas covers for the wheels. I use 0,25 mm plasticard and a candle.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53801922586_26216f9682_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYhV9W)883B7CE7-7636-472A-9FDF-F1741EAE56E8 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYhV9W) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Ok, here are the parts; they all will be glued together with superglue.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53801922556_1a88684958_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYhV9q)3AFDC913-36DF-496F-B645-D9485F1A42CE (https://flic.kr/p/2pYhV9q) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
I started with gluing the heat formed canvas covers (after a little sanding) to the centre plates.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53800987202_bbd3e5a017_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd86C)DB7BCAE0-6903-4921-8700-A5B561F5F6E6 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd86C) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Then the tyre plates to each side.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802164103_6eaedaa825_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYj9X2)F1D7F765-B283-4A79-B79A-DEA636F3DB78 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYj9X2) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Here they are, cut near the final shape and then some sealing with liquid cement.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53800987252_c1f94df99a_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd87u)051BCC6A-0AF5-413B-B37D-F9988DC943BF (https://flic.kr/p/2pYd87u) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
When properly cured, here’ the other sanded to shape and size, the other still waiting.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802353820_a009ae71c5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYk8m1)FCCD8FC2-B560-4889-AFE9-1C3727926225 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYk8m1) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Then i use the electric hand drill as a lathe. I use wet sanding paper for the finalizing the shape etc.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53801922681_ac6d40c053_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYhVbz)6F050AAE-DB72-487D-9F09-7058248C0F05 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYhVbz) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Here they are with base paint. There’s also another pair (for Albatross J.I) unpainted…you can see that there will be a little puttywork needed for the rim. After that a little more sanding in a lathe and they’re ready
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802250999_5ffd7bc502_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYjAMe)817D6ACE-A53A-41A2-BEB5-65BDC65D7E52 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYjAMe) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhhok
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A complex but very effective process! The results are two great looking wheels 8)
RAGIII
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Using seals from containers is something I noticed to!
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I even managed to do the undercarriage too. I indeed used metal wire, flattened with a hammer and a sort of anvil, as Joachim mentioned, Thanks! :). I filed some material away from the middle and then bent them into the proper angle. (https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53803075170_de0b3131ac_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYoPM5)099F89D3-4ED2-47B4-B1FF-B124D4A472AE (https://flic.kr/p/2pYoPM5) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802970119_33f517c12d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYohxR)96EAE240-79F8-4247-AF46-7A544AF30694 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYohxR) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
i use metal wire for the undercarriage and the axle simply for sturdiness. Actually, it is also easier with wire than using bamboo or plastic.
When the undercarriage legs are identical in shape and lenght, i simply glue them in place with superglue.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53801708522_0f9088d82b_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYgPwb)D5307A1D-4EDF-40B2-A99F-D7DBD619AEFD (https://flic.kr/p/2pYgPwb) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Now the unit is ready and painted. Then I added the wheels etc. I just need to add the claw brake and the wire for it later.
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802883698_ee069f5f59_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYnQRQ)1FDC2036-8EA4-45E9-96FA-E92A5A9DE692 (https://flic.kr/p/2pYnQRQ) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53802883678_2e061b31d5_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2pYnQRu)5C4CB9CF-24DA-4FE8-9AF0-3B3C0DA3D10E (https://flic.kr/p/2pYnQRu) by Amiga Hassel (https://www.flickr.com/photos/194084877@N06/), on Flickr
Cheers, Skyhook
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This is really coming together Nicely! Awesome work and I am looking forward to the next update!
RAGIII
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Very nice work! ;D
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Those wheels look like a lot of work but turned out really well. The whole build is coming together very nicely.
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Love it!
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Beautiful, amazing scratch building, true art.
Thanks for the bamboo skewer for struts idea, seems the perfect substitute for the brass of yesteryear.
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So much ingeniousness here! Wow is all I can say.
Dan
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Thanks a zillion for all your encouraging comments!
I was on a holiday and after that i got sidetracked by an older Albatros. I think i made improvements to my usual techniques in depicting the wooden fuselage and decided to update a couple of my older scratchbuilds from the early 90’s. Those days I did Albatros C.XII and C.VII, but the references were much scarcer then; i made some decisions for colorschemes and some details, which better sources showed later to be wrong. For example, this C.XII had a fuselage colour that was basically light yellow and the front of the fuselage was way too small. I took the paint scheme and markings from the Munson book, so they were not too realistic either.
So here’s the corrected fuselage (i will repaint the wings next) now. And C.V/17 got the propeller blades, so it is very nearly ready, sans rigging and some weathering.
Cheers, Skyhook
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I'm getting a huge amount of enjoyment out of following these threads; as I posted on the other one, I'm a huge Albatros fan, and as much as I love the D.III and D.V it's wonderful to see the big 2-seaters getting their share of attention, especially by someone with skills like yours. And although the Munson books have been surpassed by more modern research, I still love them... Fighters 1914-1918 was the first "grownup" book I ever bought (and probably the first hardcover!).
Dutch
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I'm getting a huge amount of enjoyment out of following these threads; as I posted on the other one, I'm a huge Albatros fan, and as much as I love the D.III and D.V it's wonderful to see the big 2-seaters getting their share of attention, especially by someone with skills like yours. And although the Munson books have been surpassed by more modern research, I still love them... Fighters 1914-1918 was the first "grownup" book I ever bought (and probably the first hardcover!).
Dutch
Thank you very much! I love the Munson books too and actually the ”Bombers and reconnaisance planes 1914-1918” was my first too! As a six year old! Needless to say, thanks to those books, we are here :). They are great and did a lot of great groundwork for others to build on. Hats of to Kenneth Munson, I say…
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Really looking great! Your skills are showing in every update! Both builds are Fantastic!
RAGIII
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Brilliant work! Both new and old look very nice!
/F
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I just finished reading from first post to last, fantastic stuff. Don’t think I’ve seen any models of these types before, they’re good-looking designs, and your model do them justice.
I have used this wing-making method several times, but never achieved as clean and neat results as you did here. Thanks for sharing, I will try to copy the way you do the wings and see what I can get.
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Thanks, all! Finally I have found some time to get this one ready. I added a few photoetched details (DIY stuff, did a lot decades ago and have used them since then) to the fuselage. Next up some weathering, rigging and finally observers armament….
Stay tuned!
Cheers, Skyhook
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Outstanding piece of Work.
Alan.
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Nice to see this one progressing again, she's really looking the part now....
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As always I'm blown away by what you and other scratchbuilders can make out of plastic... ;) I mean, in my case most of the details are at least pre-formed and just needs putting together. Looks great!
/Fredrik
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Looking really Awesome!
RAGIII
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Thanks for the nice comments, again :)
Ok, so here you can see my simple tools and materials for the rigging
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Firstly, there’s a length of black sprue (this time from Airfix Halifax, of 1961 vintage!). It will be heat stretched over a candlelight.
You can see that the appropriate thickness is not so easy to do, so there’s several lenghts on the required piece of white paper (you need that for background, so you can see what you are doing). Of which only a few will do. Fortunately the material is free and it is virtually an endless supply.
Then i have very precise tweezers…i have filed and sanded them from a simple cosmetic tweezers from a local market. They must be totally flat…otherwise there will be kinks in the rigging.
I also need a tool for measuring the required lenghts (or close to it, i usually cut them a bit overlong and then cut them to the exact lenght after dry-fitting.
For the glue, i use just the normal PVA glue, thinned with water…but not too much.
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Now the landing wires and the undercarriage wires are in their place. When I have cut the wire to the correct lenght, i simply dip its ends to the glue and set it in its place. The glue allows a short moment for adjustments. You can see that the landing wires are sagging a bit, but i will tighten them with a heat from a match, that i light and put out (the right amount of glow/heat is easy to learn…by trial and effort).If done right it works fine, you just have to allow a few minutes for the pva glue to dry out properly first. I have also used joss sticks and a adjustable soldering iron for the purpose. But now i wanted to do it with more simply, so i just used a match or two. Albatros C.V also has relatively easy rigging; the cabane takes care of a lot of the central part and there’s a lot fewer wires than you would expect. A well designed plane!
With every rigging session some wires are accidentally snapped or they melt when tightened, but then it is easy just to pull out the old one and do another. It is a game of patience :). And it is practical to do the rigging in the easiest order, so you do not rig yourself into a corner!
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Now all the wires are in place, except the wires for the aileron control. Next i will simulate some turnbuckles (with pva glue and paint) and then the armament for the observer. But that’s a bit later….
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I think I have said this before, this is more of a tutorial than a build log which makes it all the more interesting to follow. It's nice to pick up tricks and hints on this thread and once again I have picked up another. Filing flat your tweezers, I have adapted crocodile clips but thanks for the tip on filing tweezers to suit the purpose. I think it's about time I adapted some of my tweezers.
Alan.
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Yay, someone else that uses stretched sprue! I always used that on my 1/72 builds as I could never properly clean up the holes if you drilled through the wings to use monofilament. Yours looks great, I used exactly the same approach and found it worked well for me. I used to use an old Historex pyrogravure tool to tighten the wires, worked perfectly every time with no melting because it gives off a constant low heat and has a fine tip.
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The rigging looks terrific! Stretched sprue is a tried-and-true method! I still use it for some things on My 1/32nd scale builds as well as antenna wires in 1/72nd WW2 birds.
RAGIII
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Thanks! That idea of the photogravure tool sounds great….must look into it more closely. Regarding the stretched sprue rigging, it indeed has many good points modellingwise. The only bad bit is that it breaks easily and does not bring along any real sturdiness to the model. I usually do the more exposed, long wires by using elastan/nylon (actually i have got (a donation from the SWMBO :)) a pair of disgarded black stockings/tights! If you pull some threads out of them, they are very good for the purpose. You can make them as thin as you like. The only special thing is that you have to firstly make the attachement point by hardening the end of thread with superglue. Otherwise it becomes just a bunch of curly threads. When cured, I pull it tight and glue the other end to where it should go.
This albatros has no really exposed, long rigging wires, so this one is just sprue all over.
I will add proper photos of this Albatros to the Completed Models section a bit later, when the light outside is better.
Thanks to all, who took the time to follow this thread. I hope there’s some (old and) new ideas to try with future projects. Scratchbuilding is extremely satisfying, if it goes well….and even if it doesn’t, it is a good learning experience every time.
Here’s to Dave! …. i am sure he’s enjoying the modelling on the Other Side!
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Very fine.
As for rigging in small scale I also use elastic thread bundle from black stockings. But I pass the whole length through a drop of plastic cement between the fingers to get the monofilament all along, not just at the mounting end.
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Thanks! That idea of the photogravure tool sounds great….must look into it more closely. 53D0A8C2-5DE3-4AA0-8E9E-A901F030C878 (https://flic.kr/p/2qhk7da) by
The original tool I have was marketed by Historex in the 1970s and it's ideal for the job because it has a long thin scribing needle with a curved tip that is easy to get between rigging wires on a 1/72 plane. However, it's no longer available and the modern pyrogravure tools all seem to have quite a thick shaft with short interchangeable tips which will be a pain to use on 1/72 aircraft. Some of the figure modellers are using a 3D finishing tool like this one: https://www.123-3d.co.uk/Modifi3D-Pro-repair-modification-tool-MODIFI3DPRO-i4425-t19450.html?gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjwl6-3BhBWEiwApN6_kmw1PWnqvs8ZjCIFccYy9YTWCd-NzfEzdvU27wyOA0R9s5o15lXF0xoCz3sQAvD_BwE
However, it's not cheap so maybe stick with what you know.....
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Great result
Sandy
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Thanks all for your extended interest! I just added photos of the completed model to the Completed Models section. Here’s a few more…. For Dave!
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Cheers, Skyhook
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I enjoyed following your processes on your build! The results are amazing. Had I not watched the build I would think this was a Modern injection kit! Terrific Tribute build!!
RAGIII
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I have enjoyed it too. Well done for a remarkable job.
Alan.
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Extremely nice model and best "infotainement"!
Remember someone suggested incense sticks for tightening sprue rigging, and he said sandal wood works best. ;D
Best whishes Joachim
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I commented on your other topic, but thought I'd chime in here to say just how impressive this project has been. I'll have to re-read it in the event I ever challenge myself in some similar fashion. Just stellar, Skyhook.
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Nicely done and a fitting tribute, congratulations on a beautiful Build!
Cheers,
Lance
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I wanted to try using acetate for covering wings, since it has obvious benefits in that you can just overlay it on teg drawings. I’m having problems finding a glue that bonds it to styrene though. What kind of contact glue did you use, if I may ask?
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I wanted to try using acetate for covering wings, since it has obvious benefits in that you can just overlay it on teg drawings. I’m having problems finding a glue that bonds it to styrene though. What kind of contact glue did you use, if I may ask?
In this case it was a brand called Bison. But usually I have used just any brands that have been available in markets. It is important that it is not anything water soluble…if it is thinner soluble, you know you are good. New glue works best, when it is most liquid. Seems that contact glues have a short shelf life after opening. They soon become uneven and difficult to spread evenly…some thinner will of course help somewhat. the Bostik brand has always worked fine too. They have several types of contact glue, for wood, plastic, leather and so on.
Cheers, Skyhook