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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: FAf on May 12, 2024, 01:18:11 AM
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Not really a new build, but rather a re-start of an old one. So far I've mostly done little bits here and there, but I have now come to the conclusion that it's difficult to now exactly how to scratchbuild some parts until you've reached the stage where you need them...
This is what was in the box from before...
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And one thing I wasn't happy with was the fuel tank. In the process of filling and sanding the joint between the two halves, I also obliterated a lot of rivet detail and that would be quite visible later... so about a year ago I drilled holes and inserted thin pieces of stretched sprue which then was heated with a flame. End result then was this...
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Not being happy with the slightly too large and much to flat new rivets, I took them all off and inserted lenghts of fishing line instead. Each strand of fishing line had been melted with a flame and this produced smaller and definitely rounder 'rivets'. They were then glued in place and the tank painted brass.
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Beginning of construction
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Internal rigging done with fishing line and short lengths of blackened Albion Alloy brass tubing. The small leather patches that protect the wires from chafing against eachother were cut from the same kind of vinyl that I use for making my masks, then painted leather brown and superglued in place.
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The cockpit structure more or less complete...
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The engine is up next and one thing I would like to refine are the 'shields' around the cylinders. The kit part is a bit on the thick and clumsy side.
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Cheers
Fredrik
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Wow Fredrik I tuned in expecting a box/sprue shot and was greeted by brilliant photos of how to make rivets 8)
Love a Harry Tate and will be watching with interest (I quite fancy a Belgian Hispano powered one just to be different, but I'll need to get a plan and further details first)
Paul
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I was the same as Paul: I expected to see an unbuilt kit and instead I see the makings of a superb model. The lengths that some rivet counters go to....!!
Stephen.
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Very nice work on that fuel tank, Fredrik - I admire you for returning to the model. Yes - those engine shield parts need thinning out. I remember doing a lot of work on those parts when I built mine a while ago. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
Cheers,
Gary
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I can only echo others - the level of detailling is excellent! I will be following with great interest.
Cheers.
Ondra
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Lovely work! I especially like the timber colour you achieved too. :D
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That fuel tank riveting is INSANE....but stunning ::) Absolutely Gorgeous work on all of the Interior!
RAGIII
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Stop it, stop it. I now have the thought buried in my mind that I have to redo all t he fuel tank rivets when I build my WNW RE8... :-\
This is looking very nice indeed.
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Brilliant work! Very inspiring.
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Taurus Models do nice rivets from 0.25 -0.9mm (for future reference and rivet counters :) :)) )
Cheers
Andrew
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Thanks for all the comments!
Well, if some of you got a slightly different experience than expected, so did I... I didn't expect my rather simple rivet fix to be that riveting!😁 It's really nothing more than a series of drilled holes and lengths of fishing line of a suitable diameter held close to an open flame to create a 'blob' at one end. So while Taurus rivets might be better in many ways, I think this is quite good enough in many cases. And Nigel, you don't have to redo all of the rivets!
Very nice work on that fuel tank, Fredrik - I admire you for returning to the model. Yes - those engine shield parts need thinning out. I remember doing a lot of work on those parts when I built mine a while ago. Looking forward to seeing your progress.
Cheers,
Gary
Well, Gary, it's actually my third, or so, start on this one, but this is the first time I feel happy about the build.
When it comes to the shields I'm looking at manufacturing them from thin aluminium sheet, rather than thinning down the kit parts. It's already in progress and it's promising, but I haven't got any pictures to show you yet.
/Fredrik
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Lovely crisp detail work, Fredrik - and great attention to detail.
Haven't seen one of these for a while, looking forward to your magic at work!
Sandy
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A beautiful (re)start Fredrik!
(I quite fancy a Belgian Hispano powered one just to be different, but I'll need to get a plan and further details first)
Oh that sounds good. Please share the build when you get to it!
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Gorgeous work so far.
Warren
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Beautiful work so far, looking forward to more as you add to the build.
The RE 8 was one of my "Grail" kits from WNW, and I finally was able to get a Duelist's set when the last of the WNW kits were released from the wharehouse in the early 20's.
Please keep us informed on your build.
Russ
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this is the real deal
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Thank you Sandy, Zac, Warren and PJ Fisher, but especially Russ for your very kind push to get me moving again. And Russ - good luck with your build when you get to it!
Beautiful work so far, looking forward to more as you add to the build.
The RE 8 was one of my "Grail" kits from WNW, and I finally was able to get a Duelist's set when the last of the WNW kits were released from the wharehouse in the early 20's.
Please keep us informed on your build.
Russ
I must confess that posting anything, be it my own build logs or comments on other people's fantastic work, has been difficult, for lack of a better word... There's been so much great work showcased here and you should all know that even though there might be a lack of comments at times, every post is read and appreciated! This forum is a sanctuary in a way. Somewhere one can go and rest from other parts of life. I am sure that goes for a lot of other visitors to this site as well.
Some work has been achieved since my last post in May and I thought I would cram everything into just the one post here. Hoping that the next post won't be three months from now. Fingers crossed!
First up is work on the engine and the heat shields... you might remember that the kit part is a bit clumsy.
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A lot of thinking went into this and the solution was eventually to create one template out of thinnish tin sheet, you know the kind baking trays are made of. This was then transfered to my Silhouette software and vinyl templates were cut. They were then used to cut ten more or less equal thin heat shields from more of that baking tray tin. These ten shields were finally added to the engine.
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Some more bits were added to the engine as well. Like spark plugs from Taurus and the cylinders from the kit. The leads to the spark plugs also come as a plastic piece, but I felt that it would be nicer to create this from thin electric wire.
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One fantastic thing with this site and all of its contributors is the help it offers to others. A lot of that help is in the form of inspiration or hints at how things can be done. Two such hints that I've picked up are from Bertl and Mike Norris and they relate to painting exhausts and adding a bit of detail to undercarriage legs. A while back Bertl showed his approach to painting exhausts (here (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=14164.120)). I didn't have the right colours at the time, but I'm happy with my version anyway. But maybe I didn't follow Bertl's advice about not polishing afterwards... I'll have to fix that.
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From Mike Norris came the idea to use plumbers PTFE-tape (here (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=13001.msg244734#msg244734)) to mimic the linen wrapping on the landing gear.
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Nearing the end now, bear with... weapons painted... but I dropped them on the floor and the sights were broken off. Will fix later.
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Finally - the R.E.8 has a very distinctive 'air scoop' that goes on top of the engine. Again this comes, of course, with the kit, but it is a bit clumsy. Several years back I made new gun covers for a Fw 190 out of tin sheet from a baking tray. I simply taped a bit of tin sheet on to a gun cover and chased (possibly not the correct word) the metal to shape it around the plastic part. I decided to try this here as well...
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That's it! Nothing more to show right now... will be back with colours in a bit.
/Fredrik
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That’s really inspiring and a great visual reference for dummies like me! :D
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All your mods look great. But I like especially what you did to those crude deflectors in the RAF4 engine.
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Very inspiring modelling (Like Prze I'm very taken with the wind deflectors)
Paul
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Hi Fredrik,
That's some clever problem solving :D
Mike
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Wow, amazing work all round. The wiring looks particularly effective, as do the heat shields.
I wish I hadn't seen this post though, because I won't be able to resist trying some of these mods out when I build my RE8.......
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Simply incredible work Fredrik! Those shields, the wiring, and the engine cover are all terrific examples of scratch building!
RAGIII
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What amazing work! The engine looks stunning! I really like the idea to use the eyelets as a holder for the wire.
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Thanks for the comments guys! If they inspired you, then I'm very happy!
Paul - wind deflectors make more sense than heat shields... Do you know if that's the official name?
Nigel - try all you want and if you don't feel like designing your own heat shields/wind deflectors give me a shout and you can have my vinyl templates, but new ones of course.
If anyone needs more inspiration, check out the excellent photographs taken by James Fahey. They are my main source of information even if they are of replicas.
Cheers
Fredrik
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A piece of art in progress...great work.
Regards,
Paul
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Oh, wow, that wiring harness is gorgeous!
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Amazing and genius are two terms that come to my mind after viewing this thread. :)
Warren
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Hi again... I think I hoped for a quick update in my last build post... not quite sure this counts as quick, but here it is anyway.
Paint has been added and masking is on before more paint is added - red stripes in this case.
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Today has been about masking as the masks for all markings went on. After the stage below I've added masking to cover everything as a precaution against overspray.
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I realised today that painting the white areas is tricky for two reasons. The first is nor surprise - white has poor coverage. Which really isn't a problem if the surface is just the one colour, even if it's PC10. But, secondly, when you've masked everything you only see the white area clearly and it's a bit difficult to know when to stop adding white paint. And you wont really know until you are finished and remove the mask... In the second picture, which is a bit dark - sorry about that, you might see the how different the coverage is. It'll be interesting to see what it really looks like later.
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And a few pictures of the serial coming together...
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There should be more progress tomorrow.
/Fredrik
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Difficult to be sure Fredrik, but I bet if we could see the original a/c in close up like this, it might not be so different? Great effort and a good result, to my eyes at least.
Warren
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Painting all the markings is adding another challenge to this build IMO, but given the frequent poor quality of later WNW decals, it might be a sensible idea.... Looks like a good start to me.
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Painting all the markings is adding another challenge to this build IMO, but given the frequent poor quality of later WNW decals, it might be a sensible idea.... Looks like a good start to me.
Thanks Nigel - I tend to think that masking and painting markings is easier than using decals in many cases, in the other cases it might be the challenge I'm after.
Difficult to be sure Fredrik, but I bet if we could see the original a/c in close up like this, it might not be so different? Great effort and a good result, to my eyes at least.
Warren
Thanks Warren and I'm sure you're right about the paint on real aircraft. However, when painting markings the white is problematic in the sense that it will be whiter, perceived whiter, when compared to the dark camouflage, but that dark colour isn't there to compare with when the masks are in place. The good thing about this is that one usually ends up with a good amount of white... here are some step by step pictures of one of the top roundels.
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And after these fairly large and quick steps forward, it's back to the small details...
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/Fredrik
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Wow, those markings turned out really well. No way could I mask and spray anything as effectively as those.
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Great results on the markings airbrushing. I wish I could achieve the same quality, as usually I have to correct some spots where the mask peeled off a little.
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Agree with above comments: that masking/brushing is just superb.
Sandy
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If I'm ever fortunate to build one of these kits, even half as good as this would be wonderful! Bravo!
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Your engine and painted markings look spectacular. Are those commercially available roundel & serial masks (like Montex)? I searched the thread but couldn’t see where you’d said what you used.
Cheers,
Gary
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Outstanding work Fredrik! Your Home made Masks are terrific, but it takes talent to get them to work this well.
RAGIII
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Thanks for your support guys!
Nigel - you should have more faith in yourself! Get a set of masks and try it. 😃
Przemo - it happens to me too, just not this time. 😏
Gary - I suppose Rick gave you the answer to your question, the masks are made by me. But they are of course kind of commercially available, if you want them or similar markings just send me a PM.
/Fredrik
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Superb masking and airbrushing there. I hope to airbrush some roundels in my current build, we'll see how that goes. I'll use this as inspiration. :D
Warren
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Excellent work on the masking. I too am heading more and more towards masking markings, especially on British aircraft where colour matching rudder stripes to roundel decals is very tricky. Plus, it allows for ease of shading and weathering later in the build.
Nicely done :)
Cheers
BC
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The roundels look outstanding! 8)
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'I hope to airbrush some roundels in my current build', Warren
'I too am heading more and more towards masking markings, especially on British aircraft where colour matching rudder stripes to roundel decals is very tricky. Plus, it allows for ease of shading and weathering later in the build.' Brad
Thanks William, Warren and Brad and everyone else who's been reading. I really think you all should try to mask and paint some markings and for a lot of reasons, but one very good one is what Brad points to in his comment - painted markings will behave exactly the same as the rest of the painted aircraft. And anyone who thinks I might be able to help with a mask or two, feel free to make contact.
I'm currently trying to meet a deadline in about three weeks, so things are moving quite rapidly now and the update might also be a bit quick...
When attaching the wing to the fuselage I stumbled on a few problems, the largest of which were the unexpected gap between wing and fuselage. Not too problematic though...
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Rigging preparations - all wires glued straight into the wing and then they will be stretched using the eyelets that are placed in the upper wing.
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It needs a gun... might have to put some darker paint on it and I'm not quite sure on whether I should have that stretch of ammunition belt protrude or not.
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Just three images of progress - no struts, with struts and finally with an extra piece of tin plate to cover the base of the forward strut.
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Attaching the upper wing was thankfully very straight forward. I hadn't quite realised how large this kit is, it's got to be my largest to date.
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Rigging started, working from the inside and out.
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/Fredrik
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Lovely work! This is looking very good indeed. What do you use for rigging, and have you coloured it in any way before fitting?
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Thanks Nigel!
0.11 mm fishing line pre painted with Vallejo Metal Color. This time I went for Silver, but I usually use Dark Aluminium. And this time I also had to go back and add paint after installation for some reason.
/Fredrik
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Stunning work Fredrik! I love that brass tank. The rigging looks terrific, I would have tripped over all of that pre-installed wire ::)
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick! I'm sure you would have managed quite well, but it's good to have you back here... I can't really imagine what it was/is like to have a hurricane pass over you.
Finished... I think... just a few quick pictures before bed.
A few last turnbuckles to be added to the rudder and elevator control horns... I used my, by now, usual method of melting a strand of sprue or fishing line to create a rivet of sorts.
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A few, not too good pictures of the completed model.
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Take care!
/Fredrik
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Man, that is Awesome!
RAGIII
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It is indeed awesome! Looking forward to the completed pics......
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Your usual spectacular work Fredrik, and such a pleasure to see it all come together. The intricacy and sharp quality of the detail you achieve are remarkable!
Cheers,
Lance
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Superb detail work - and terrific overall finish too.
This really has the look and sit of a Harry Tate.
Magnificent.
Sandy
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Lovely work Fredrik and, man oh man, is that prop pretty!
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:o Wowzer!
Great build Fredrik
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Love your Harry Tate- the details are excellent as is the colour variation on the wings? and of course the prop!
Cheers
Matt
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You've delivered a truly impressive model with this project, FAf. The paintwork and detailing are off the charts! Well done, indeed.
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Lovely model Faf. So crisp and neatly made.
Alan.
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Spectacular Harry Tate...
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Thanks for the positive feedback, despite you not being able to see much... Here's one more and then I'll post the rest in the completed section. Thanks to all who have been tagging along and I hope it was worth your while. /Fredrik
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Thanks to all who have been tagging along and I hope it was worth your while
It most definitely was, a very helpful and inspirational thread.
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Just love everything about this model! Such a stunning plane - well executed ;D
I really need to pull out a WW1 plane soon :-[