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Title: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 01, 2024, 05:56:31 PM
I'm chipping in initially with this Pfalz DIII built from the Roden 1/72 scale kit.
I tend to favour the unusual and noticed that in this profile the streamlined cowl has been cut away revealing the engine (the scheme's pretty cool too, although I think I've already seen one in model form :-\)
I'd really like a camouflaged one as well at some point . . . .

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Dirigible-Al on May 02, 2024, 12:09:32 AM
The camo certainly does look cool. Great subjects Paul.
Alan.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Brad Cancian on May 02, 2024, 08:10:18 AM
A fine choice of subject Paul! I did this particular aircraft in 1/48 a while ago (I left the cowling on... laziness or forgetfulness... can't remember which!)

https://bradsmodels.squarespace.com/models#/148-pfalz-diii-eduard/

Looking forward to seeing more!

Cheers

BC
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 02, 2024, 05:14:02 PM
The camo certainly does look cool. Great subjects Paul.
Alan.

Cheers Alan  ;D

A fine choice of subject Paul! I did this particular aircraft in 1/48 a while ago (I left the cowling on... laziness or forgetfulness... can't remember which!)

https://bradsmodels.squarespace.com/models#/148-pfalz-diii-eduard/

Looking forward to seeing more!

Cheers

BC

Knew someone else had built a version of it Brad - lovely bit of work (as usual) I'll try to keep up the standard  ;D
(I first saw it originally in an old  issue of Windsock magazine which had a few nice profiles and a build article of Roden's 32nd version. Must say I was very taken with the modified cowl which makes the front look less delicate)

Paul

ps - made a start last night and will post a progress pic or two at the weekend ;)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on May 02, 2024, 06:33:28 PM
Great choice of scheme Paul, looking forward to this one.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 04, 2024, 12:13:48 AM
One of My favorites. I am sure David would Love your build , I know I will enjoy watching!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 04, 2024, 01:12:45 AM
Great choice of scheme Paul, looking forward to this one.

Thanks Nigel. Just about finished the first of the current builds which should be appearing soon (famous last words  ::) the lozenge has been done 3 times so far and I've repainted the wing twice)

One of My favorites. I am sure David would Love your build , I know I will enjoy watching!
RAGIII

Cheers RAGIII I've a real soft spot for Pfalz', but strangely haven't yet added one to the collection  :)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 05, 2024, 10:19:00 PM
Right I've made a start on this one despite the bench still be crowded with other projects  :)

First up was the engine and the Roden one is very nice, but I happened to have a Small Stuff 160HP one sitting on the shelf so that was requisitioned and put together (Fitting a pair of spark plugs per cylinder in this scale is a bit eye watering and I've no idea what William takes to allow him to make such things in 144th  :o)
Hopefully I won't destroy too much of this fitting it and during the rest of the build

Paul

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 05, 2024, 11:50:22 PM
We all start somewhere.   8)  Nice beginning to your Pfalz!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: AngryJazz on May 06, 2024, 03:57:15 PM
Great work! Impressed you managed to put plugs in that thing  ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on May 06, 2024, 06:52:06 PM
Lovely start, those engines are fantastic.

Fitting a pair of spark plugs per cylinder in this scale is a bit eye watering
Wot, no priming cups? ;) ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 06, 2024, 09:21:47 PM
Lovely start, those engines are fantastic.

Fitting a pair of spark plugs per cylinder in this scale is a bit eye watering
Wot, no priming cups? ;) ;D

You crazy boy  ;D

We all start somewhere.   8)  Nice beginning to your Pfalz!
RAGIII

Cheers RAG III :)

Great work! Impressed you managed to put plugs in that thing  ;D

If you look really carefully you'll see a couple are stretched sprue because the plugs pinged off into the depths of the room never to be seen again ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 11, 2024, 01:49:27 AM
Managed to get a bit more done this week.  :)

Since I've got the PART set I removed the various hatches and radiators to be replaced with nice shiny brass bits. The cowl has been cut down and thinned a bit (may need a bit more work to accommodate the resin engine which I'll get to later.
Moving surfaces have been removed and new control horns attached (Brengun make a WW1 set which has some nice double horns so a slit cut with a razor saw means these are nice and secure; I always struggle to get the individual ones lined up and attached without a great deal of swearing) ::)

Doesn't look a lot when photographed, but there you go.

Incidentally you Pfalz experts out there I recall reading somewhere that a pale green primer was used for the interior wood on these - anyone confirm this or shall I stick with pale wood ( or silver grey?)  :-\

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 11, 2024, 02:14:41 AM
Looks Outstanding with the brass! I envy anyone that manages PE control horns, especially in 1/72nd!
RAGIII

PS: I didn't see your color question. I have done Mine with the grey green, very light. I also used it as an opportunity to do a bit of wearing away to the original wood. I think this is the 'Current" wisdom. That being said who knows as No original survived as far as I know!
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: AngryJazz on May 11, 2024, 04:09:42 AM
Very nice and clean work! PE can be troublesome for me  :)

Im sorry but cant help much with colors, but im sure someone else can!
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Dutch522 on May 11, 2024, 09:54:35 AM
Beautiful work, Paul! In all my years of WW1 modeling I don't think I ever built a Pfalz... too bad, as they're lovely machines.

Dutch
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 11, 2024, 04:50:23 PM
Looks Outstanding with the brass! I envy anyone that manages PE control horns, especially in 1/72nd!
RAGIII

PS: I didn't see your color question. I have done Mine with the grey green, very light. I also used it as an opportunity to do a bit of wearing away to the original wood. I think this is the 'Current" wisdom. That being said who knows as No original survived as far as I know!

Thanks RAGIII.  I dislike are rigging control surfaces (although I really enjoy all the other rigging.) These little BRENGUN horns have tiny holes which make it easier  :o (I think)

I'll try the very light pale green/grey colour which'll make a nice change :)

Very nice and clean work! PE can be troublesome for me  :)

Im sorry but cant help much with colors, but im sure someone else can!

You and me both AJ   ;D- I often end up with superglue everywhere. For tiny brackets and such I now use varnish as a glue which works fine where they aren't going to get any handling.

Beautiful work, Paul! In all my years of WW1 modeling I don't think I ever built a Pfalz... too bad, as they're lovely machines.

Dutch


I was surprised that I hadn't done one either Dutch. . . .so many projects, so little time  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on May 11, 2024, 06:50:50 PM
This is going to be very nice.........
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 12, 2024, 06:45:56 PM
This is going to be very nice.........

Cheers Nigel , let's hope so  ;D

With the lovely sunny weather I've been seconded into some garden and house duties so not much to report this weekend (although I have at last finished one of the projects on thee bench- I'll take some pics later of that one and post them elsewhere)
All the fiddly stuff done on the bits now with struts sanded down and 0.3mm wire pins added for easier fixing. I decided to replace the undercarriage struts with brass so some 1mm wire was sanded to shape and heated up to allow bending to the correct angle (I'm rather heavy handed when it comes to these things so everything is either pinned or replaced with brass)  ;)
Engine has also had a coat of paint added now so next up some cockpitty type stuff

Toodlepip
Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 13, 2024, 01:46:03 AM
Excellent work on the struts Paul. Getting wire in the strut ends is something I have Never Mastered...even in 1/32nd scale  :'( I envy your skill.
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on May 13, 2024, 06:55:51 PM
I also wonder how it is possible to drill and pint struts in 1/72 scale..... Great craftsmanship here.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 13, 2024, 07:09:19 PM
Cheers Guys  :)

For those that fancy trying it I've found cutting almost all of the existing peg off leaving a small disc of plastic to provide position. Taking a brand new 10a blade and rotating the tip in the centre of this gives a starting hole for the drill bit and stops a lot of skidding about and drilling the tip of your finger  :'( (I spin the drill bit in my fingers rather than use a drill to stop too much heat build up and clean it out regularly)

Incidentally for cutting these thin wires I've found nail clippers are ideal (But don't use your spouses best set . . . .) ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: macsporran on May 13, 2024, 07:50:02 PM
Enjoying this as it unfolds ...
Sandy
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: FAf on May 13, 2024, 07:54:04 PM
Nail clippers, huh?! Wouldn't have thought about it.

Great work!
Fredrik
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: PrzemoL on May 15, 2024, 04:27:55 PM
Great job. Especially the thinning down of the struts - will do good to the overall look.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Flamingo on May 16, 2024, 04:39:01 PM
Interesting to learn about your strut drilling.will follow your project.
Joachim
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 16, 2024, 07:26:17 PM
Cheers Guys  :)

Made a start on the fuz parts. First off drilling out the vents on the cowl using a small drill and then the tip of scalpel blade. Having tested the fit of the parts I decide that a few pins of brass wire would help keep things in place once the glue was added so these were added with a corresponding slightly larger hole to give a little bit of adjustment.
Turning to the inside I removed the moulded detail and added a few strips cut from the edge of a sheet of 5 thou plastic card, compass and small pump from stretched sprue. I'll feed in the other bits once the two halves are closed up. A cushion was added to the sheet with putty, but I didn't go too mad since most of this stuff never gets seen after the model is built

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 16, 2024, 07:34:13 PM
A new prop was carved in my usual way (carefully following Prze's instructions) although I realized after carving that I'd used a DIIIa drawing and the prop shown on the earlier version from the Windsock drawing is a different style with a rather nifty blade shape so I may save this one for a IIIa and make a new one for this (Appreciate that props were often changed so nothing was cut and dried, but nice to make something that has a different shape)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on May 17, 2024, 12:41:02 AM
Nicely done interior bits Paul. Just enough to be noticed after closing her up! The prop is stunning even if you save this one and do another!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: KiwiZac on May 22, 2024, 01:02:12 PM
I'm another Pfalz fan and I'm eagerly following along! I really like the extras you've added - having done a couple of these kits it's fascinating to see what can be done with them.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 22, 2024, 03:57:50 PM
Nicely done interior bits Paul. Just enough to be noticed after closing her up! The prop is stunning even if you save this one and do another!
RAGIII

Cheers RAGIII. They really don't take too long to knock up and look nice so I'll probably go for a new one . . .  ;)

I'm another Pfalz fan and I'm eagerly following along! I really like the extras you've added - having done a couple of these kits it's fascinating to see what can be done with them.

Hi Zac. Sit back and get plenty of food in because I'm not the quickest of builders  ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on May 22, 2024, 05:58:46 PM
Very nice work on the interior. Personally I wouldn't worry about the prop unless you have a photo of the aircraft you are modelling and can prove what type of prop it had. They didn't stick to one type and they were also consumable items that would be changed. But if you want to do more tiny carving, don't let me stop you...... ;)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on May 22, 2024, 09:39:58 PM
Very nice work on the interior. Personally I wouldn't worry about the prop unless you have a photo of the aircraft you are modelling and can prove what type of prop it had. They didn't stick to one type and they were also consumable items that would be changed. But if you want to do more tiny carving, don't let me stop you...... ;)

Cheers matey. You know me I love a good whittle  . . .  ;D

See you soon
Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 17, 2024, 08:25:10 PM
Right having got the SPAD and the Junkers out of the way I've been focusing on this little fella again (after reminding myself what stage I'd got to)  ::)

Doesn't look like a great deal of progress, but as well as various bits being glued together and filled the cowl now fits around the replacement engine (which took a bit of whittling and shaving of the engine and cowl both to get there; the blob of white Milliput at the nose supports the bottom of the engine in the correct position. The gun ports have been drilled out ready for the barrel tips and I've added a small instrument panel (yet to be trimmed down)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Allan31 on July 17, 2024, 11:10:14 PM
Oh boy, another Pfalz !
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 17, 2024, 11:22:58 PM
Oh boy, another Pfalz !

 ;D
Got two more lined up after this one Allan  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 18, 2024, 12:06:01 AM
Your Pfalz is coming along quite well! Clever Idea to use the Milliput to seat the engine properly  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: KiwiZac on July 18, 2024, 02:40:03 PM
Oh boy, another Pfalz !

 ;D
Got two more lined up after this one Allan  ;)

Paul
You sure know the way to my heart!!
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 18, 2024, 04:51:52 PM
Your Pfalz is coming along quite well! Clever Idea to use the Milliput to seat the engine properly  8)
RAGIII
By the time I'd thinned the two halves to accommodate the small parts engine and opened up the nose  there wasn't much plastic left so I thought it would help strengthen things in that area as well   ;)

Oh boy, another Pfalz !

 ;D
Got two more lined up after this one Allan  ;)

Paul
You sure know the way to my heart!!

 ;D so may lovely schemes and it it looks like a streamlined Albie - what's not to like?

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on July 18, 2024, 06:02:04 PM
Good to see some Pfalz progress, I too like the idea of using Milliput to hold the engine in place. Clever. I am sure this will be another gem.

You can never have too many Pfalzes, looking forward to lots of colourful schemes.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 19, 2024, 10:29:49 PM
Good to see some Pfalz progress, I too like the idea of using Milliput to hold the engine in place. Clever. I am sure this will be another gem.

You can never have too many Pfalzes, looking forward to lots of colourful schemes.

Cheers Nigel
(I figured I wasn't going to get the 17bis done fro the weekends show so decided to press on with this one)

Although I don't really enjoy producing details that are hidden away o the completed model. The Pfalz's cockpit deserved a bit of love because it is fairly easy to look in. A little instrument panel and switches panel have been added and I've incorporated the gun butts, cross brace and ammo storage bins in the nose section which are just about visible through the cockpit opening 

Once that lot has dried it'll be time to bring it all together  . . .

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 20, 2024, 12:45:53 AM
Nice details. They are visible as you said!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 21, 2024, 08:01:02 PM
Nice details. They are visible as you said!
RAGIII

 ;D
Well cowl is on now and gaps filled. Because I was lucky enough to have the PART brass set I didn't have to worry too much about trying to maintain hatch details etc which made sanding much easier.

Never quite sure what glue to use for the tiny brass detail bits; I always seem to either stick them in wrong place with superglue or put too much glue on and end up having to sand around them afterwards. Tempted to try epoxy, but am worried they might slide out of position as the glue dries so we'll see. ((Maybe a touch of masking tape?) For interior bits and areas that aren't going to get handled I'd just use varnish which works well.  :-\

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 25, 2024, 02:45:01 AM
Well that seemed to take longer than expected  ::)

Added a few brass hatches using superglue. I decided the brass steps looked a bit prominent so used some sanded down 5 thou plastic card. Cockpit padding added with duro putty and seams along to top and bottom of the fuselage added using layers of primer after masking a slim gap. (I also reinstated the nose cowl seam using the same method)

Onward and upward trying not to be distracted by the pair of Choroszy gems that have just arrived  8)

Paul

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Rick_H on July 25, 2024, 09:50:28 AM

Never quite sure what glue to use for the tiny brass detail bits;

Another possibility is a drop of clear paint.  I've tried it for 1/700 doors and hatches and the results are no worse than any other product.
Rick in Seattle
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 25, 2024, 05:05:44 PM

Never quite sure what glue to use for the tiny brass detail bits;

Another possibility is a drop of clear paint.  I've tried it for 1/700 doors and hatches and the results are no worse than any other product.
Rick in Seattle

Cheers Rick. :)
 A drop of paint would do it (I tend to use varnish for the same results) Given they were being fitted at an early stage and my tendency to 'over-handle' (if that's a thing) a model during construction I opted for the messier choice. Paint or varnish is my preferred adhesive for adding small finishing details; maybe I'll give it a shot next time and see how I get on; as you say it's unlikely to be worse than any other adhesive given the surface area.

Paul

ps - bought a couple of 1/700th kits full of enthusiasm until I saw the tiny, tiny detail bits. I tip my cap to you sir  8)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Allan31 on July 25, 2024, 08:52:27 PM
Loverly progress.
I have used clear Future as an adhesive for tiny bits with good success.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 27, 2024, 05:22:18 AM
Looking Awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Skyhook on July 28, 2024, 01:39:11 AM
Great work! And thumbs up especially for tackling a 1/72 Roden subject. They are great, if you do some pre-fitting and planning before taking the glue out. Looking forward to your progress with the Pfalz…

Cheers, Skyhook
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 28, 2024, 01:54:16 AM
Loverly progress.
I have used clear Future as an adhesive for tiny bits with good success.
Thanks Allan  8)

Looking Awesome!
RAGIII

Cheers RAGIII  ;D

Great work! And thumbs up especially for tackling a 1/72 Roden subject. They are great, if you do some pre-fitting and planning before taking the glue out. Looking forward to your progress with the Pfalz…

Cheers, Skyhook

Thanks Skyhook  ;D
Yep they are a bit more involving that the usual throw it in air with a tube of adhesive type of kit, but I prefer that to be honest. Not keen on the Roden Albatros 3 piece wings though; I've tried 3 now without being happy with any so the W4 I've started has now got Pegasus wings ready to be added  ;)

Adding some paint to the Pfalz as we speak.
I decided to paint the fuselage black after priming and then mask the stripe before adding the silver. I thought that might be easier than trying to do it the other way and hopefully it will give a slightly different 'look' to the fabric and solid areas which is apparent in photos.
I also decided to paint the tail and spinner white first and then mask the spots before adding the red

All sounds like a plan, but I'm at  a show tomorrow so hopefully some updates on Monday

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 29, 2024, 05:14:20 PM
As promised here are the bits so far with some paint added ready for the masking and famous Pfalz silver to be applied  ;D

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: AngryJazz on July 29, 2024, 05:40:07 PM
Close to some color! Cant wait!
Very nice work  ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on July 29, 2024, 06:07:26 PM
That looks like a lovely precise build so far. It's a pity that black fuselage is going to disappear under mostly silbergrau...... ;) Best of luck with the masking.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 30, 2024, 03:02:13 AM
Cheers Ben and Nigel  ;D

Decided I was feeling a bit under the weather so took the day off work. Luckily I wasn't so ill that I couldn't raise myself from the bed to do a bit of masking and spraying  ;)

Here in it's unedited glory is the result. A few bits of touching up needed, but can't really complain. The silbergrau is a tad silvery for my taste, but better that way because I can teak it at the weathering stage.

Paul

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Dutch522 on July 30, 2024, 03:16:42 AM
Looking good, Paul, and that's a great scheme. Can't wait to see this one done!

Dutch
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on July 30, 2024, 05:03:28 AM
Awesome paint work Paul! You have done fantastic work on the ribbon and dots! One of My favorite Pfalz Schemes although I have yet to model it on one!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on July 30, 2024, 06:07:19 PM
Great job on the masking for a guy at death's door...... ;) I couldn't do that in 1/32, let alone 1/72!! Fab stuff indeed.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on July 30, 2024, 06:23:38 PM
Looking good, Paul, and that's a great scheme. Can't wait to see this one done!

Dutch

Cheers Dutch. I just noticed that the fuselage crosses have a 'silver' outline where they intrude on the spiral but I think I have a plan to sort that  . . . . :-\

Awesome paint work Paul! You have done fantastic work on the ribbon and dots! One of My favorite Pfalz Schemes although I have yet to model it on one!
RAGIII

Thanks RAGIII . There's a bit of glue residue from the frisk film I used for the dots, but I'll get that cleaned off and then do a spot of touching up (see what I did there?) ;)

Great job on the masking for a guy at death's door...... ;) I couldn't do that in 1/32, let alone 1/72!! Fab stuff indeed.

Thanks matey  ;D
Feeling a bit better today and the boss is complaining so I'd best be doing something workwise today and get back to this later . . . . ::)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: PrzemoL on July 30, 2024, 06:37:02 PM
Very fine colours! Watching with great interest.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Dirigible-Al on July 31, 2024, 12:06:48 AM
I knew this would look good and by Jove it's certainly going that way.
Cheers, Alan.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: IanB on July 31, 2024, 12:22:50 AM
The paintwork is looking great! This scheme certainly looks like a challenge, but you seem to be on top of it.

Ian
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 02, 2024, 07:28:20 PM
Very fine colours! Watching with great interest.

Cheers Prez. Certainly makes a change from yellow  ;)

I knew this would look good and by Jove it's certainly going that way.
Cheers, Alan.

Glad you're enjoying it Alan  ;D

The paintwork is looking great! This scheme certainly looks like a challenge, but you seem to be on top of it.

Ian

Hi Ian
Bit more of a challenge than I expected to be honest, but I'm reassured by looking at photo's of Pfalz's and seeing how uneven some of the striping actually was  :o (Makes me feel much better)


So with temperatures in the 'workroom' being high because of all the lovely sunshine we're having at the moment I've not done much this week, but did spend a bit of time touching up and panting smaller details like the engine and cockpit padding before sloshing on a coat of gloss varnish. Once that had dried I tried a couple of Rodens decals with the expected results, but a rummage through the stash located suitable replacements on a MAC DIIIa sheet. These were quite thick and tended to silver over the black so needed a bit of trimming (I reasoned the stripe would have been painted straight over any existing data markings)
Fuselage crosses came from an old Skybirds sheet which went down nicely, but my cunning plan to paint the silver outline on the decal and then trim the outer edge was less successful so a second set was used and I'll just have to paint that in later (gulp)

Tail cross was courtesy of Eduard (Possibly a DR1)

I'll leave the wing crosses until after the rigging is done to hopefully avoid any touching up . . . .famous last words

Anyway here are a couple of pics. I amused myself by adding the tiny engine number and red stripe which were copied from a Wingnut build article I came across  :)

Paul

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: macsporran on August 02, 2024, 09:59:40 PM
Seeing your giant fingers besides this little gem, reminds me you are working in 1/72 - difficult to reconcile with the sharpness and neatness of the model.
Great work.
Sandy
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on August 03, 2024, 02:00:50 AM
That is looking pretty darned good to me!! No nail polish this time though.... :-*

I'm assuming it won't be done for Avon....?
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 03, 2024, 03:13:13 AM
Seeing your giant fingers besides this little gem, reminds me you are working in 1/72 - difficult to reconcile with the sharpness and neatness of the model.
Great work.
Sandy
LOL
I am in fact 9'7"  :o ;D

Joking aside thanks Sandy ;)

That is looking pretty darned good to me!! No nail polish this time though.... :-*

I'm assuming it won't be done for Avon....?

Sadly not ready for Avon matey, but glad you like it (and I'll remember to add some nail art for the next piccy)  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Brad Cancian on August 03, 2024, 07:33:15 AM
Excellent work Paul - that scheme is indeed a challenging one! I took the same approach with the same scheme on it's bigger 1/48 cousin from Eduard some years back.

With the silbergrau border around the fuselage cross; you might be able to carefully paint this back in or use painted decal strips?

Cheers,

BC
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 03, 2024, 03:15:45 PM
Excellent work Paul - that scheme is indeed a challenging one! I took the same approach with the same scheme on it's bigger 1/48 cousin from Eduard some years back.

With the silbergrau border around the fuselage cross; you might be able to carefully paint this back in or use painted decal strips?

Cheers,

BC

Hi Brad.
Will attempt to cut back in with the silbergrau as you suggest.  ;)
Painting onto the decal before trimming the outside edge looked great until I tried applying the decals and then the edge of the decal really showed up as a prominant lip. :(

Toodlepip
Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Flamingo on August 04, 2024, 06:13:50 PM
This is going to be a very beautiful model wit a superbly executed paint job!
Joachim
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 04, 2024, 10:39:00 PM
Nicely done Paul. That is a particularly challenging paint scheme and you have really nailed it. This will be a beautiful addition to your collection. 

Tim.

P.S.Thanks for the tip on masking and painting the seam. I’ll have to try it on my future builds.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 05, 2024, 05:48:31 AM
This is going to be a very beautiful model wit a superbly executed paint job!
Joachim

Thanks Joachim - getting there now  ;D

Nicely done Paul. That is a particularly challenging paint scheme and you have really nailed it. This will be a beautiful addition to your collection. 

Tim.

P.S.Thanks for the tip on masking and painting the seam. I’ll have to try it on my future builds.

Hita Tim.
Looking forward to getting it wrapped up and in the display case (even if my wife refers to it as the 'Mini Mouse' colour scheme) ::)

Glad to help with the masking tip. I used the same technique on the front cowl seam on this one having lsot the original detail when I sanded the join down. Quick bit of masking tape on the back edge and then added a couple of layers of paint on the cowl - Voila one nice new seam  8)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 05, 2024, 07:00:05 AM
Really looks lovely. I remember "Struggling" with that cross outline in 1/32nd scale. I sort of won the war but it still looks a bit rough if viewed too closely. That being said I am sure your skill set will result in Total Success!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 09, 2024, 06:49:41 PM
Really looks lovely. I remember "Struggling" with that cross outline in 1/32nd scale. I sort of won the war but it still looks a bit rough if viewed too closely. That being said I am sure your skill set will result in Total Success!
RAGIII

Yep that seemed a bit of a fight RAGIII, but got there in the end.  :D

Doesn't look like much else has happened, but after the cross touch up there's been a layer of gloss to blend it in and then two layers of thinned satin on the fuz and top of the lower wing / bottom of the top wing. Once they had dried I got the oil paints out and did some weathering on those bits that are harder to reach once rigged. This isn't my usual process, but I wanted to get a colour differentiation between the fabric and solid areas. In the photo the weathering is barely discernible  ???, but it's there honest

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 09, 2024, 06:52:03 PM
Underside of the top wing now ready to be added and turn it into a biplane at last (this particular build seems to have dragged on for ages partially because I completed/built two other models during its very slow progress. I'm resisting the temptation to crack on with another build and get this one completed now) ::)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on August 09, 2024, 09:16:40 PM
Aha, I like the subtle approach ;) I think I can just about see some weathering in the fuz photo but it's more visible on the wing and looks very nice. Will need to do a close up inspection in person.....
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 09, 2024, 09:31:26 PM
Really nice Paul. I appreciate the subtle weathering and very much like your decal touch up.  Looking forward to the upper wing attachment. 

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 09, 2024, 09:54:16 PM
The cross outline looks Perfect! The wing is looking good and great that it will soon be a biplane! You are definitely tempting Me to look for another 1/32nd Roden kit to try that Jasta 4 ribbon again!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 12, 2024, 02:57:57 AM
Aha, I like the subtle approach ;) I think I can just about see some weathering in the fuz photo but it's more visible on the wing and looks very nice. Will need to do a close up inspection in person.....
;D Quality that photo mate, sheer quality LOL. Really must look into something more suitable for taking these piccies, but they give you the idea at least  ;)

Really nice Paul. I appreciate the subtle weathering and very much like your decal touch up.  Looking forward to the upper wing attachment. 

Tim

Cheers Tim, got there in the end. ;D

The cross outline looks Perfect! The wing is looking good and great that it will soon be a biplane! You are definitely tempting Me to look for another 1/32nd Roden kit to try that Jasta 4 ribbon again!
RAGIII

Go on RAGIII you know you want to . . .

Just knocked up a suitable jig from foam board, but needed to spend the morning sorting out an issue with the car and it's been too hot in the workroom to do anything this afternoon so I'll be up at crack of dawn tomorrow to hopefully turn the bits into a biplane

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: FAf on August 12, 2024, 03:21:36 AM
Inspiring scheme! Well done on the outline.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 15, 2024, 05:07:40 AM
Inspiring scheme! Well done on the outline.
/Fredrik

Cheers Fredrik

For those interested here's how I usually make a jig using photocopies of plans and foam board.

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 15, 2024, 05:10:46 AM
And thanks to some early starts I now have a biplane (albeit a slightly hairy one) ;)

Rigging is my usually drilled through the surfaces, 1lb fishing line and superglue. I'll leave that to dry this evening and then trim off the ends before making good and adding the decals

Paul

(Dirty fingernails courtesy of a bit of work on the car) ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 15, 2024, 05:19:31 AM
The rigging is looking great Paul! You are nearing the finish line!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on August 15, 2024, 06:28:06 PM
That jig looks like a lot of work for a tiny plane....! :) But the result is worth it, she is looking very nice.

(Dirty fingernails courtesy of a bit of work on the car) ;D
I assumed that was why you had taken to wearing nail varnish...... ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 15, 2024, 06:35:42 PM
The rigging is looking great Paul! You are nearing the finish line!
RAGIII

Getting there RAGIII, but even by my own sloth like rate of building this one is dragging on . . . ;)

That jig looks like a lot of work for a tiny plane....! :) But the result is worth it, she is looking very nice.

(Dirty fingernails courtesy of a bit of work on the car) ;D
I assumed that was why you had taken to wearing nail varnish...... ;D

LOL, I've got some lovely matching red for the final pics Nigel  ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 17, 2024, 09:08:37 PM
Okay plenty done this week, but not much that's obvious  ::)

Lines all trimmed, filled and sanded off. (I did notice I'd rigged one incorrectly so that needed to be replaced)

Tips of guns added and then I realised I hadn't drilled the holes for the various piping arrangements in the fuselage before doing the rigging so a bit of dexterity needed to overcome that. The pipes were from 0.2 and 0.3 mm brass that had been annealed to make it easier to bend. A few spark plugs added to the engine which had broken off or been damaged during construction masking and although they'll be pretty difficult to see when the exhaust goes on I thought I'd better replace them. Small pressure header (?) added to top of radiator from carved sprue and wire.
I really enjoy these little bits and can now see the finish line with this one . . . . ;D

Hopefully cool enough for final decals this weekend and then I suppose I'd better add some wheels  ;)
Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: PrzemoL on August 18, 2024, 06:06:11 AM
Beauty in the making.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Brad Cancian on August 18, 2024, 09:01:33 AM
Looks great! That touch up around the cross and the rigging looks very well done. Hat's off, sir!

BC
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: FAf on August 18, 2024, 04:37:28 PM
A great build to follow! Impressed by the detailing in this scale.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 18, 2024, 04:49:37 PM
Beauty in the making.

 ;D Many thanks Prze

Looks great! That touch up around the cross and the rigging looks very well done. Hat's off, sir!

BC

Cheers Brad (Touch up looks okay at a distance) ;)

A great build to follow! Impressed by the detailing in this scale.
/Fredrik

Glad you're enjoying it Fredrik.  ;D

Slight pause in proceedings now because I managed to slice open the back of my thumb yesterday.  ::)
They avoid stitching in that area nowadays so I've been superglued back together and so I'm be a bit restricted holding things using my left (non dominant) hand for a few days.

Still I can decide on the next project . . . currently a choice between finishing a RNAS Nieuport 17bis conversion or starting a Martinsyde Elephant/Harry Tate or Dh4 (all 1/72)  :-\

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Flamingo on August 18, 2024, 05:01:52 PM
Excellent!
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 18, 2024, 10:59:21 PM
Glad you were able to add the piping and replace the springs without too much trouble! Rigging is looking amazing!
RAGIII

PS: I missed the Finger Part originally. Hope you Mend quickly!
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: FAf on August 19, 2024, 02:26:19 AM
Ouch! Backside of the thumb - how did it happen?
/F
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 19, 2024, 03:03:00 AM
Excellent!

Cheers matey  ;D

Glad you were able to add the piping and replace the springs without too much trouble! Rigging is looking amazing!
RAGIII

PS: I missed the Finger Part originally. Hope you Mend quickly!

Ouch! Backside of the thumb - how did it happen?
/F

Thanks RAGIII and Fredrik. Sadly somehow managed to open it up instead of the Corned beef tin. (Never even got the corned beef hash I'd planned) :'(
 Still on the plus side it's a nice clean cut and I heal pretty quickly  :P

P
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: AngryJazz on August 19, 2024, 06:38:15 PM
Looks stunning! Wont be long before its flying  ;)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on August 19, 2024, 06:41:48 PM
Lovely work Paul, she is looking fantastic, I too love all those tiny details, well worth the effort. Sorry to hear about the thumb, although I was disappointed it wasn't a modelling related injury....... ;)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 20, 2024, 03:49:54 AM
Looks stunning! Wont be long before its flying  ;)

Not long now Ben  ;)

Lovely work Paul, she is looking fantastic, I too love all those tiny details, well worth the effort. Sorry to hear about the thumb, although I was disappointed it wasn't a modelling related injury....... ;)

Plenty of those over the years Nigel, most spectacular of which was a disagreement with a 2.5cc Ollie Tiger that required 13 stictches  ::)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Tim Mixon on August 22, 2024, 08:10:53 AM
Oh that’s looking so nice Paul.  You’ve convinced me to try this scheme sometime. 

Tim
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 27, 2024, 02:03:45 AM
Oh that’s looking so nice Paul.  You’ve convinced me to try this scheme sometime. 

Tim

Cheers Tim give it a go - Here's how mine turned out  ;D

Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 27, 2024, 02:05:25 AM
Top view of the finished Pfalz
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 27, 2024, 02:06:05 AM
Underside
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 27, 2024, 02:11:04 AM
A few tweaks to the weathering and a base needed, but calling this one completed.

Thanks for the comments and support and thanks to Dave for the inspiration

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: PrzemoL on August 27, 2024, 05:42:43 AM
Very nice. And that mushroom like tail  ;)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Dirigible-Al on August 27, 2024, 07:01:00 AM
Excellent job. I think the spinner is doing an impression of a mushroom as well as the tail!
Alan.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 27, 2024, 04:36:14 PM
Very nice. And that mushroom like tail  ;)

Thanks Prze - got a few flaws, but nice to wrap it up at last (the next one will be mushroom free)  ;)

Excellent job. I think the spinner is doing an impression of a mushroom as well as the tail!
Alan.

Cheers Alan - those mushroom spots nearly drove me to a different scheme, but glad I persevered  :)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: NigelR on August 27, 2024, 06:01:42 PM
That looks really good, it's come together beautifully and the colour scheme looks fantastic. Nice masking there. A lovely precise build, lots of nice detail to be admired, I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh as I am sure the photos don't do it justice (although I rather like the rays of sunlight breaking through.....  :))
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 27, 2024, 06:14:15 PM
That looks really good, it's come together beautifully and the colour scheme looks fantastic. Nice masking there. A lovely precise build, lots of nice detail to be admired, I'm looking forward to seeing it in the flesh as I am sure the photos don't do it justice (although I rather like the rays of sunlight breaking through.....  :))

Hi Nigel. Cheers for that matey.  ;D
I've invested in a new (old) camera at last. These are taken with the auto settings on the desk top just to try it out without any cropping or adjustment. Will experiment using a diffuser and setting manually so hopefully my slightly dodgy pictures will improve) ::)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: AngryJazz on August 27, 2024, 06:33:34 PM
Really stunning build! Well done! I really like the scheme you chose  ;D
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: torbiorn on August 27, 2024, 06:54:48 PM
The Pfalz is a beautiful plane, and this is a beautiful model. I too fancy the paintjob  :)
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 28, 2024, 04:37:07 PM
Really stunning build! Well done! I really like the scheme you chose  ;D

Cheers Ben  ;D

The Pfalz is a beautiful plane, and this is a beautiful model. I too fancy the paintjob  :)

Thanks Torbiorn ;D

I hadn't realised until I'd started that Brad had also done this particular scheme (and made a beautiful job of it as usual) I'm certainly tempted to try a camouflaged version to go alongside, but am currently working on a couple of models that will mainly be green (PC10)  ;)

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: Allan31 on August 28, 2024, 10:18:01 PM
Great job Paul, another Pfalz, yum.
I gave up on cameras, too much money and could not find what I wanted for table top photography, now I just use my phone.
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 28, 2024, 10:48:51 PM
Great job Paul, another Pfalz, yum.
I gave up on cameras, too much money and could not find what I wanted for table top photography, now I just use my phone.

Cheers Allan

Trust me you don't want me to use my phone for pictures  ;D ::)

I worked as a photographer for a couple of years a long time before digital stuff was around so I've picked up a second hand Nikon D50; no great wish to get heavily involved again since, as you say you can spend a hell of a lot of money and a great deal of time which frankly I'd rather spend on other things

Paul
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: RAGIII on August 28, 2024, 11:27:25 PM
Your build was inspiring and great to follow. The results are quite Lovely!! Like many others I think you have inspired Me to do this one and sit it next to My WNW Albatros with the same markings...well sort of  8) Great Tribute to David!
RAGIII
Title: Re: 1/72 Roden Pfalz DIII
Post by: DaddyO on August 29, 2024, 01:20:00 AM
Your build was inspiring and great to follow. The results are quite Lovely!! Like many others I think you have inspired Me to do this one and sit it next to My WNW Albatros with the same markings...well sort of  8) Great Tribute to David!
RAGIII

Thanks RAGIII  :)
Made a bit of meal of it, but nice to have a Pfalz in the collection at last in what it appears is going to be a popular scheme; great to see one parked next to an Albie - look forward to the build  ;D

Paul