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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: WD on January 19, 2024, 02:16:05 AM
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Well, we'll see if all three make it across the finish line.
I hope or plan to do three Nieuport 17's:
- Tarascon's Zigomar 4
- an RFC Nie.17 from 1 Squadron
- another French machine, haven't quite decided yet.
I'm picking up where I left off in 2006 with two more added to the bunch. I'm almost ready to close up the fuselages, and this is what I've got so far:
- My wire work on the cylinders doe look rough, but at least two of them will be mostly hidden by a Cone de penetration which looks like a spinner, but is in fact a stationary object on a fixed axis. These were added to try and streamline the a/c. Most people think they're spinners, but they are stationary. Still, I'm fairly pleased with what I've done here.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/d6/b6/kWk9XW97_o.jpg)
I have made cushions for two of the three seats, and yes, there is a 1/72nd scale button on each tuck in the cushion. The third one is what Eduard gives you on the p/e in the kit, and I like it, but wanted some individuality for each airframe as none of these cushions were a regulation thing. The seatbelts/harnesses . . . I'm not thrilled with those, and images of Nieuport 17/23 seatbelts are rare as hen's teeth. If you have some, please let me know. As it was, I had to go with the illustration in the CSM Nieuport 17 instructions which shows a thick, wide, stiff belt which all but hangs in the air to the side. I couldn't get this to work to the point I liked it or that I thought didn't look weird and unfiinshed, so I've settled on this.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/bf/3f/u1xjZwWs_o.jpg)
Oooooo, I see a couple of German Shepherd hairs that need sorting out before the seats go in.
Pilsner Urquell was used as a modeling fluid to help overcome my essential tremor during the last session.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/73/f3/Vv44AX8C_o.jpg)
Criticisms, feedback, etc. welcome.
Warren
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Following with interest Warren (having got a couple of 17's and teh recent 27 under my belt I'm a sucker for the old 'One and half wings' as you know) :)
I tend to have my seatbelts look a bit more flexible so they lie flatter to the cushion, but I may have that completely wrong and I do like the variation of seat cushions.
By the way did you read the old Windsock article about the French green brown camouflage which indicated that there was a lighter green and lighter brown rather than just the two indicated by Eduard's instructions - makes for a more interesting look on the third machine . . . :D
Cheers for now
Paul
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Nothing to criticise. Just the great start of an interesting project.
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Following with interest Warren (having got a couple of 17's and teh recent 27 under my belt I'm a sucker for the old 'One and half wings' as you know) :)
I tend to have my seatbelts look a bit more flexible so they lie flatter to the cushion, but I may have that completely wrong and I do like the variation of seat cushions.
By the way did you read the old Windsock article about the French green brown camouflage which indicated that there was a lighter green and lighter brown rather than just the two indicated by Eduard's instructions - makes for a more interesting look on the third machine . . . :D
Cheers for now
Paul
Thank you very much Paul! I'm still not convinced about my seat belts. I'll post an image later.
Yes, I have read the article in Windsock you reference, great stuff. Also, there's this article by our own forum member Xan (just let Google, Firefox, etc. translate it for you):
https://1914.forumactif.com/t110-camouflage-francais-deux-tons-3-4-1916
As it is, all three of my birds are going to be alu-doped.
Warren
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Nothing to criticise. Just the great start of an interesting project.
Thank you Prze!
Warren
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Nice. I especially like the cushions, painting leather is something I seem never to be able to convincingly, yet it is apparently possible. Maybe I should try the pilsner trick. 8)
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Nice. I especially like the cushions, painting leather is something I seem never to be able to convincingly, yet it is apparently possible. Maybe I should try the pilsner trick. 8)
LOL ;D , I'm not sure I did it convincingly, although I feel confident in saying you'll enjoy Pilsner Urquell if you like a good pilsner beer. ;)
Now, here's the part I'm just not satisfied with on my build: I can't seem to get the belts to lay convincingly. See the illustration below from the CSM Nie.17 instruction sheet. I figure these belts were a lot like a leather or webbing surcingle for a horse: they aren't limp and just don't flop around like a belt but have a certain stiffness to them.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/52/c9/kJYhsjEV_o.jpg)
Warren
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The Nie 17 in 1/72 is a lovely little kit, these will look great when done. Nice start on the engines.
I think you may be right about the seat belts. I did a bit of Googling and found the attached picture on a thread on teh Aerodrome. These are (allegedly) original French WWI seatbelts and they look to be leather rather than fabric. Which is news to me!
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Nigel,
Thanks for that! I missed those in my reasearch. Anyway, do y'all see what I mean about them being stiff and thick? You know, the more I look at my seats and seatbelts, the less satisfied I am with it. We're iced in today, so I might see if I can scratch-build something better.
We'll see.
Warren
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Well, it's a cold, icy, blustery day here in the rolling hills of western Cain-tuh-Kee, and that makes it a great day to be at the bench.
I modified the seatbelts on the seats. Not perfect by any means, but I think this is an improvement.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/46/84/lwWJFzgP_o.jpg)
That's about as good as I can get it for now. There simply isn't room to have them off to the side as the illustration up above shows.
Warren
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That works for me......
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And me! If it wasn’t for the “1/72” in the title I’d have thought this was 1/32!
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Lovely seats and the belts, especially in this scale!
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In tonight's episode of the 1/72nd Eduard Nieuport 17 batch build, Warren gets a lesson in self-inflicted wounds. I closed the fuselages up, clamped the front end, but clamped the back ends with clothespins. Sadly, I forgot how the springs in clothespins can exert torque, and while the fuselage's glue dried while I was off playing Fallout New Vegas all fat, dumb, and happy, back ends dried out of line. I was able to split open the rear of each and reglue and try to get them straight, but it wasn't 100%. So, some Milliput and Mr. Surfacer 500 and sandpaper ensued. <sigh>
I tried making some shots of the interior, but it's hard to do with my setup. I want to give a shout out to William Adair who sent me the files so I could print out some decals to simulate the veneer strips that make up the sidewalls of Nieuport cockpits. Please excuse the rough edges, I'm still working on that.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/b4/81/RvqyR5oe_o.jpg)
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(https://images2.imgbox.com/fe/a2/4NGsjCbS_o.jpg)
I also realize I glued the seats in a little far forward, but I was scared of getting them too far back.
Fiddle-dee-dee, tomorrow's another day!
Warren
Warren
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Great fun and cool project! They all look good! :)
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Every day is indeed a school day, and modelling wouldn't be modelling without a few self-inflicted setbacks.... ;D
These are looking good however, I love the detail of the veneer strips inside the cockpit.
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Thank you for the kind words NigelR and AngryJazz.
Warren
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Having just gotten a copy of this kit I have a new appreciation for how small these babies really are... (1967, and those 1:72 Revell WW1 kits with the brass plates on the box-art, was a very long time ago). But you're doing a bang-up job. Onward, Warren, through night and fog!
Dutch
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Thanks Dutch! She is tiny, isn't she?
Warren
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Fallout: New Vegas - good choice. Clothespins: less so, apparently! Now we know! Great recovery though, Warren.
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Fallout: New Vegas - good choice. Clothespins: less so, apparently! Now we know! Great recovery though, Warren.
Thanks! I'm still working on that seam. :-\
Right now I've got two things going on with this build:
- The cowlings: Eduard didn't mold the two holes in the bottom/starboard side, and I'm having to drill those. Not a fun exercise and easy to mess us, which I have. :-[
- The diaphragm on my a/c compressor has busted, and I've got to take it apart to see about fixing it. :(
Warren
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Not much progress of late at the workbench, too much real life combined with an almost total loss of mojo. I did have to replace the air compressor. :'( And those cowlings? More on that below.
However, some progress has been made. I replaced the little nib on the bottom of two of the fuselages with brass tube since they're supposed to be spent cartridge chutes for the Vickers-armed Nieuports.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/4c/eb/W9XnLkXw_o.jpg) (https://images2.imgbox.com/4b/73/XACtQGGg_o.jpg)
Some negative modeling going on as well. Eduard gives you cowlings that lack the holes on the bottom and starboard side that are present on all versions of the Nieuport 17 and 23. Drilling these out, for me at least, is a royal pain. Of course, I can't leave well enough alone, so I messed with one to the point I screwed it up. Saturday morning the workbench smelled of a candle burning and heat-stretched sprue. It smells like . . . negative modeling. So, stretched sprue with Tamiya extra thin to plug the holes. We'll see if this works.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/2f/9f/5Zn6SKzF_o.jpg)
At least I have three objects on the bench that are starting to resemble actual aeroplanes and aren't far from the point I can pick them up and zoom them about the bench.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/00/a1/mYHYzZfY_o.jpg)
Warren
PS: Dutch, check your email pard!
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Glad you're back on this build, life does have a habit of getting in the way sometimes. I can see progress here, I'm sure your attention to detail is going to be well rewarded in the end.....
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I’m also glad to see this project moving forward. I have several of these Eduard kits to build. You are making great strides. Hoping your Mojo continues to grow!
Nice fix for the holes.
Tim
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Thanks for the encouragement Tim and Nigel.
Warren
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I'm loving this project Warren; I have only tried building the same kit at the same time once, and that was only two models... keeping track of each model is no doubt tricky! Tackling it the way you have, methodically and with excellent attention to detail, is showing in the excellent results you are achieving. Keep up the work on these, and I'm looking forward to the next update!
Cheers,
BC
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Thank you Brad! I've had some bouts with negative modeling here of late, but I'm soldiering on to try and reinvigorate some long dead skills and learn new ones.
Warren
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Keep going Warren - they're looking great. (Can't see a great big thumbs up emoji, but that's what I'm posting) ;)
I know it feels like you aren't getting anywhere with these multi builds, but you'll find once they are at this stage you are encouraged by the feeling of 'they're nearly there' and it'll get easier ;D
(With the recent Dr1 group I did I actually took a bit of break part way through and built something different for a bit and found when I came back to the group I was filled with fresh enthusiasm)
Paul
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Paul, I have to say that doing them this way, while it has some advantages, does also leave me bogged down when it comes to areas I don't enjoy or aren't good at.
While the Nieuport is a tiny thing in 1/72nd, I still have a small workbench, and I think going forward two at a time might be as much as I can manage. I'm also going to start an alternative build next round too, such as a tank and an a/c so when I get burned out on one, I can swing over to the other to keep my mojo going.
Warren
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In Spite of the "Negative" Modeling you are encountering at times the Models are progressing and looking Great! Having something a bit different to go to when you reach a stopping point is a good idea. I usually have something like that to fall back on!
RAGIII
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Welp, the Nieuport batch build has been downgraded to a one-at-a-time build for various and sundry reasons. Believe it or not, I'm still at it, but the last few months at Chez Dickinson have been rough from dealing with weather to family medical issues*, etc. so my pace has been reduced to a crawl.
I decided I would like to make a representation of rib tapes using paint, so I've laid down some washi tape. I'll fill the interstices with wider tape then take up the thin ones. I'll spray that with Mr. Surfacer 1000, and maybe some Tamiya white primer on top of that. The plan is to take off the washi tape and Viola! A very thin, but noticeable rib tape representation.
*(Mrs. D's MS has been dealing her fits, her sister had a very serious medical emergency last month, and she's still in hospital, and I've been dealing with some severe sinus headaches this summer which makes bench time unattractive. Add to that summer chores that need doing my my essential tremor giving me fits, and . . . well . . . y'all get the idea.)
Warren
(https://images2.imgbox.com/f8/5e/qmscQlQe_o.jpg)
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Sorry to hear about your problems! The decision to build one at the time makes sense and it is still moving forward even if it takes time.
/Fredrik
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Great to see this one still progressing Warren - life happens to all of us, the bench is there to help give us respite, on our terms. Keep fighting the fight :)
Looking forward to seeing more progress on these little fellas :)
Cheers,
BC
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All strength to you, Warren. Nobody warns you of the perils of ageing when you're young and able. We're still here though and hopefully there are lots of good days ahead.
It's great to have modeling on hand as an immersive therapy!
Good call re the Nies, looking good and it'll be great to see them all completed.
Sandy
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Best wishes to you and your family Warren, life does get in the way of modelling. But hopefully modelling allows a few moments of peace and mindspace away from the trials of everyday life.
Keep going at whatever pace you can, we'll await updates with interest.
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Thank you all for the compliments, but most of all your words of encouragement mean a great deal to me.
Thank you.
Warren
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Glad to see you are still pursuing this project Warren, and yes, real life issues do get in the way of modelling for all of us to some degree and it seems worse as age progresses. (Ask me how I am so certain of this!?) The best news though, as Brad, Sandy, and Nigel point out is that we have this wonderful hobby to provide a measure of optimism and relief, no matter how fleeting and keep us going through our trials.
Keep fighting the good fight; trust me, the battle to stay the depletion of useable body parts would be a lot worse if we didn't have this diversion which I am certain you know. I am looking forward to seeing these three little beauties completed down the road!
Cheers,
Lance
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Your Nieuport is looking great Warren! Tapes and especially the center section cutout detail are very well done. Sorry to hear of the Real Life Difficulties My Friend. Keep up the great work.
RAGIII
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My gosh you certainly have a lot on your plate at the moment. I hope things get better for you and yours soon.
You're a man after my own heart with the painted wing ribs. :)
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My gosh you certainly have a lot on your plate at the moment. I hope things get better for you and yours soon.
You're a man after my own heart with the painted wing ribs. :)
Well William, I do hate to disappoint you, but I believe I'm going to have to try another method. I just couldn't get the larger pieces of tape to lay down consistently enough for my satisfaction, so I'm going to try decal strips. This is all really slowing me down, but it's all modeling, right? No one says we have to finish anything, do we? ;)
Warren
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Warren,
For some reason I like multi kit builds. Maybe I enjoy inflicting pain on my self and it good to see I am not alone. Life handed you some lemons and you are making lemonade out of them. I am sure you will come up with a solution to your rib problems. My way of handing this problem is "What ribs?" :-)
Dennis
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Warren,
My way of handing this problem is "What ribs?" :-)
Dennis
:D LOL :D Well, you see, that's just it. In the images in my references, the rib tapes are not real prominent, but they're there if you look. That's what I would like to recreate.
Thanks for the encouragement Dennis!
Warren
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The Nieuport 17 build proceeds at a glacial pace, but at least there's forward movement. The work of the past few days has comprised some failed experiments (but at least I'm pushing myself as a modeler), but the final result is that I've separated the elevators from the tail-plane/stabilizer, used a razor saw to put in some slots, insert styrene, and glue the elevators back in at a downward angle to make it a more interesting and realistic display.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/13/28/e4uHvtAv_o.jpg)
Warren
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Very nice attention to detail. Animating the control surfaces does make for a more realistic end result, so it's worth the effort.
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Great to see these coming along Warren. I always spend a bit of time moving surfaces about; as Nigel says it adds a nice bit of life to the model and a lot of photos show elevators drooped on the ground.
Paul
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The pace is not important Warren! The build continues to be excellent.
RAGIII
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Thanks Rick, I continue to experience a LOT of negative modeling because:
- It's hard relearning old skills
- I keep trying new things. Why? It's the only I'll get better.
I very foolishly snapped one of the interplane struts this weekend. So for I've managed to snap at least one from every one of these (3) I've been working on. Negative modeling!!! >:( >:( >:(
Warren
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Forumites,
A good Sunday morning to you, what a blessing today is. I haven't given up or shelved this build. In fact it went silent and deep because I've been working with Paul and Eric Fisher of Aero-Rarities to design and 3D-print some needed accessories to enhance my, and now your, build of this kit.
https://aerorarities.com/products/nieuport-xvii-survival-pack
One of the biggest stumbling blocks, to me at least, was the cowling included in this kit. It doesn't have the exhaust holes on the bottom and the sprue attachment points make it hard to clean up without buggering up the edge detail or the separation joint on the Type 2 cowling. Well, one thing has led to another and now we have a stupendously awesome set to enhance these builds. I only wish I was not as far along on mine so I could utilize the beautiful interior bits, but I sure will use them the next build.
I've been a really good boy and keeping my mouth shut about this.
Warren
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Trying to replicate wood grain in our scale can be an exercise on frustration, doubly so on 1/72nd scale struts. I'm not satisfied with my efforts with artists oils. Here is an example of my efforts at this with water-color pencils on the right.
Feedback appreciated.
Warren
(https://images2.imgbox.com/93/b8/rX3G3IBt_o.jpg)
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It's really hard to see from the photos - I would say if you are happy then go for it! You might want to look at Tim's Mises-Aviatik build as he has done some nice woodgrain with oils in 1/72.
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Hi Warren
Nice to see some more progress on these. I know exactly what you mean about adding the holes and cutting the cowls without damaging the edge. I also broke one of the interplane struts on mine through my own clumsiness so I feel your pain (Incidentally I've probably got a few struts spare from the versions I've built so if you're short just let me know and I'll dive into the spares box)
FWIW the wood grain on the struts of mine was done using yellow ochre over an off white, but it's barely noticeable on the finished model so press on with what you've done because I'm sure it'll look fine
Paul
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Thanks Nigel and Paul. Paul, I've already broken mine, twice! >:( :P :-\
I'm still undecided about this, might change it.
Warren
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Great progress Warren! Keep on going!!
RAGIII
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Goof choise etween the Tarascon zigomar...
Do you know this picture ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxK0kdfR/zig4-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBGnvTMs)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3R4hvFcN/zig4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwbBVPKY)
Zigomar 3 is not ad too:
(https://i.postimg.cc/PfyyDn1L/zig3-0.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
(https://i.postimg.cc/YS2YMhyb/zig3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/LJ7nV6S1)
If you are interested, in Tarascon plane's, following this link in this french WWI modelers forum, you will find those decals a friend of mine did, with all the zigomar markings at any scale:
(https://i.postimg.cc/q7PTTC13/decal-Tarascon-48-erakutsi.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
https://1914.forumactif.com/t497-decals-de-l-ensemble-des-avions-zigomar-de-tarascon-a-toute-echelle-1-72-1-48-1-32-1-24?highlight=Zigomar (https://1914.forumactif.com/t497-decals-de-l-ensemble-des-avions-zigomar-de-tarascon-a-toute-echelle-1-72-1-48-1-32-1-24?highlight=Zigomar)
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If you are interested, in Tarascon plane's, following this link in this french WWI modelers forum, you will find those decals a friend of mine did, with all the zigomar markings at any scale:
(https://i.postimg.cc/q7PTTC13/decal-Tarascon-48-erakutsi.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
https://1914.forumactif.com/t497-decals-de-l-ensemble-des-avions-zigomar-de-tarascon-a-toute-echelle-1-72-1-48-1-32-1-24?highlight=Zigomar (https://1914.forumactif.com/t497-decals-de-l-ensemble-des-avions-zigomar-de-tarascon-a-toute-echelle-1-72-1-48-1-32-1-24?highlight=Zigomar)
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Xan! Yes, that photo is part of my inspiration to do Zigomar 4. I got Bruno's decal set a good while back, but unfortunately, when he printed it he cut off the rooster's head. :'( I loved the colors of his roundels, but he made the ones for he upper wing far too large. :'(
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Goof choise etween the Tarascon zigomar...
Do you know this picture ?
(https://i.postimg.cc/HxK0kdfR/zig4-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CBGnvTMs)
(https://i.postimg.cc/3R4hvFcN/zig4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jwbBVPKY)
Xan, help me out with the windshield here please. I thought it was the later one that curved and wrapped around, but now I'm not so sure.
Warren
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Hi, I do not know no more pics of this plane.
It seems to be a clasical wind shield...
(https://i.postimg.cc/fWCSpNb9/N17.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Xan, that's what I was thinking as well looking at that image.
Warren
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My apologies for being so silent on this build, but experiments take time, don't they? I have spent a few months working with Aero-Rarities to come up with some helpful things in building the 1/72nd Eduard Nieuport 17. I cannot say enough good things about Paul and Eric Fisher, the two brothers that are the proprietors of the business, they are so enthusiastic and easy to work with. After much back and forth of test fitting, reworking, test-fitting again, and months of work on their part, they've come up with a Nieuport 17 Survival Pack. It started out with me wanting a new cowling to replace the one from the kit. Long story short, the package contains two different cowlings, a couple of tailplanes (much thinner and more to scale than the kit part) seat and framework, fuel pulsator, tachometer, etc. Here are some images of the latter Nieuport 17 cowling, which is SO much better than what's in the kit. (Also my first time ever spraying metallics, that was quite an experience.)
Note the very fine rivet detail around the front opening, impossible for Eduard to achieve with injection molding. Also, much finer and riveted joints on the upper side
(https://images2.imgbox.com/0c/c9/7s5DjL23_o.jpg)
We now have a recess indicating the retaining strap on the back as well as the reinforcements around the landing gear leg cutout, missing entirely from the kit part.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/c3/10/6f2w4GQO_o.jpg)
(https://images2.imgbox.com/22/2b/dapQi8VX_o.jpg)
The upper view shows the much refined cowling joints and the filler cap for the oil tank, completely missing from the kit part.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/13/78/U7GtuoDO_o.jpg)
I have no connection to Aero-Rarities other than being an extremely satisfied customer. I look forward to buying more of their products and hopefully working with them on future projects.
https://aerorarities.com/
Warren
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That New Cowling is excellent as is your paint work on both the engine and cowling!
RAGIII
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Fantastic improvements!
Thanks for sharing and Happy Modeling,
Kevin
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The cowling looks beautiful! What gorgeous moulding.
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That cowling was definitely worth the waiting, it looks fantastic. I am also waiting for my first parts from Aerorarities, I am keen on having their Gun rings, even more when seeing their great 1:72 scale parts.
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Borsos, you won't be disappointed in those gun rings if these parts are any indication.
Folks, you can buy with confidence from these gentlemen.
Warren
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Cool ! Your own squadron developing !!!
Alexis
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Forumites!
Ahhh, Mr. Surfacer Black, such a wonderful primer. All major components primed, found a couple of nasty seams on the fuselage that need attention. Movement on this Eduard 1/72nd Nieuport 17 build has been slow, but any forward movement is good, right? Included is the revised tail-plane from Aero Rarities.
This is no longer a batch-build, but a single build. I had some problems with one of the three which has reduced it to a parts queen, etc. That leaves two, and I'm just getting bogged down in trying some new things, which doesn't bode well for batch builds. (I am working on some common components that will hasten one of the others when I get to it.)
(https://images2.imgbox.com/de/aa/4A7il1pJ_o.jpg)
So for right now, this one will possibly be:
- Tarascon's Zigomar 4
- Dorme's #12 which he flew in the autumn of 1916, IF I decide to use the Peddinghaus decals. They have the numerals in black and red, but I had my heart set on green, and Chassard gives evidence for the green being a contender.
- I could get really wild and use my Spada decals for Esc. N.89 😉
Thank y'all for looking in!
Warren
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Good to see these progressing, even if the batch is shrinking. That new cowling does really look good.
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Bummer to hear that the batch is no longer together. Excellent work on the single Nieuport build though!
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Good progress Warren.
Yea, batch builds start off great. I built a batch build of three Mosquitos (Airfix, FROG, Matchbox) in 1/72 and could not wait to finish and swore off batch builds.
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Thanks everyone! I think batch builds work great IF you really have your method and technique down, and that isn't me by any stretch, LOL. I've got a friend that does them, anywhere from six to a dozen at a time, but he's really got his modeling down to an *T*.
Warren
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Still going to be a nice bird when you get her done ! Your not long , mishaps seem to follow me as well when trying things . Worst one being Gavia's Bristol Scout . I used a sharpie for the wing ribs and spars and it bleed threw all the layers of clear coats and paint . It will remain a shelf prize . Never did that again and tossed the sharpie .
Alexis
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Thanks Alexis! I do hate negative modeling, but I'm trying to be positive and view each mishap as a learning experience. Learning occurs through pain and discomfort, but after a while it does get old.
Warren
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I'm still modeling at a snail's pace, but Springtime here in western Cain-tuh-Kee is full of outside chores, etc.
Anywho, I'm playing around with black-basing. What I wanted to create was a weathered aluminum-doped finish, and I wasn't sure how to get that done with metallic paint. I think I did a decent job of it for only my second attempt at black-basing.
First views are of the kit components with a layer of Mr. Surfacer Black with an overspray of Tamiya XF-19 Sky Grey.
(https://images2.imgbox.com/21/0d/pBnwhEaK_o.jpg)
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Then I sprayed a thinned down mixture of 75% Tamiya LP-11 Aluminum and 25% Tamiya LP-4 Flat White. I'm actually pleased with the results, I wasn't sure if it would work at all. Are there some errors? You bet, but nothing some sanding with high number buffing pads and weathering won't take care of.
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The photos make it look really grainy, but it's not. I might still go over it very lightly with a thinned mix to even things out a bit.
As always, feedback, criticisms, etc. are welcome.
Warren
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Looks nice! As far as experimenting goes... If one doesn't experiment, try new things, how does one improve?!
/Fredrik
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I like it , think you are down the right path for the effect you are seeking . Yes , a thinned light over spray will tie this in even more . Black basing takes time to get the hang off but for your second go at it , very nice indeed .
Alexis
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Thank you very much Fredril & Alexis!
Nothing like digital photos blown up big on a screen to show you your errors, no? :)
There's something about it I'm still not quite satisifed with. Alexis thinking either a very light overspray of my alu-dope mix or a very, very thin mix of light grey or white might tie it all in better.
Thoughts anyone?
Warren
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Hi Warren
To me the finish still looks a tad dark (although that may be just the photos) so I'd try another thin coat to lighten it up a bit
Paul
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Very interesting paint job. It looks excellent for me.
Andreas
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Thank you Andreas! Since then I've gone over it very lightly with a very dilute solution of the aluminum dope mix (4:1 Tamiya LP11 and Tamiya flat white) and then a very, very dilute mix of flat white to blend it in and try to unify it. I'll post photos later this evening.
Warren
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Well, a bit more progress on my Eduard Nie. 17 build. My first time ever masking for roundels as I don't like the colors Eduard offers on theirs, nor anyone else's for that matter. I made some mistakes, some which can be corrected, some not, but I to am driving forward nevertheless.
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As always, criticism, feedback, etc. welcome.
Warren D
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Roundels look good, I think. Well done on the masking!
/Fredrik
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They look pretty good to me, press on!
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Brave attempt at the roundels. look great.
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Thanks to all for the encouragement.
Warren D