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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Mike Norris (UK) on January 12, 2024, 09:55:45 PM
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Hi all,
Lucas at 'Lukgraph' hinted in an email reply to me of possibly the next model releases.
The Albatros W4 float plane and an Austro-Hungarian Phonix.
Both welcome additions to the WW1 collections,
Mike
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This would fit with their release schedule announced last year. I am still excited by the Albatros W4……but also still wondering about the two ‘ ? ? surprise ‘ releases! What do we think they might possibly be?
I had the same experience with the Halberstadt, although only two broken pieces. I am waiting for delivery of the replacement parts. It seemed to me that some of the 3D printed parts were finer (thinner) than on their previous kits, but perhaps there is also some change to the material? Anyway, I hope Lukasz will look at this and also the packaging used before the Albatros is ready!
David
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Finally I just ordered one of those super expensive Lukagraph kits and it felll short my expectations. Broken and missing parts, bare bones cockpit, warped wing, confusing/incomplete/cheap paper instruction manual, not even a story preface of the airplane, in summary it does not represent the money value being charged ....
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Finally I just ordered one of those super expensive Lukagraph kits and it felll short my expectations. Broken and missing parts, bare bones cockpit, warped wing, confusing/incomplete/cheap paper instruction manual, not even a story preface of the airplane, in summary it does not represent the money value being charged ....
I also find the LukGraph kits disappointing for their cost but one thing I will say is that their customer service is great - if you have any broken/missing parts just email them and they will replace them. They did this for me very quickly and you can't argue with that.
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Hi Nigel,
Yes Lucas is very quick to respond to any problems,
Mike
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When I was involved with the original Copper State, one thing that I never found was a broken part (bent white metal, yes, but no damaged resin), because of those sturdy white top-opening boxes Eric used. When I got my first next-gen CSM kit from Edgar I burst out laughing (in pleasure!) when I found the same style of bomb-proof carton underneath the colorful "boxtop".
Never having seen a Lukgraph kit, I wonder if it's just a matter of packaging?
Dutch
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When I was involved with the original Copper State, one thing that I never found was a broken part (bent white metal, yes, but no damaged resin), because of those sturdy white top-opening boxes Eric used. When I got my first next-gen CSM kit from Edgar I burst out laughing (in pleasure!) when I found the same style of bomb-proof carton underneath the colorful "boxtop".
Never having seen a Lukgraph kit, I wonder if it's just a matter of packaging?
Dutch
The same style as CSM. Bomb-proof cardboard box with a colourful top.
It must be a question of securing the delicate parts inside the box - they are wrapped in bubble foil but not quite prevented from moving inside.
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Yes the Lukgraph kits are in a stout box; I have not had any breakage myself but the 3d printed stuff in particular seems very fragile.
I am unsure if 3d printed parts in their current state are ideal for things like struts and undercarriage - that is my biggest concern with the latest kits. Also I wish the rib tapes were done differently as they are very heavy/prominent at least on the couple recent kits I have purchased (maybe it is just me)
That said I am very grateful for Lukgraph continuing to produce 1/32 WW1 kits and look forward to see what they do in the future.
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Just out of curiosity, is it the 3D printed parts themselves that are breaking? Or is it the forest of tiny "sprues" that attach them to the bases? Or a combination of the two?
Dutch
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It is the 3D printed parts themselves. Although they are wrapped in a single piece of bubblewrap, this does not appear to be sufficient to stop them moving around in the box during transit. The parts themselves seem to be becoming thinner and more delicate with each kit release.
Although we are still waiting for the Pfalz from Richard at Aviattic, the photos he has released show the Gaspatch 3D printed parts securely fitted into a foam container for transporting……..perhaps this is the way to go.
David
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It is the 3D printed parts themselves. Although they are wrapped in a single piece of bubblewrap, this does not appear to be sufficient to stop them moving around in the box during transit. The parts themselves seem to be becoming thinner and more delicate with each kit release.
I think this is the issue. I bought two Oeffag Albatri and the 3D printed parts are at a higher resolution than the Lloyd CV I bought (some in that kit were so low resolution they were not usable). This means they are thinner (which is a good thing) but more prone to breakage. However, in my two Albatri, only one part was broken, one of the undercarriage legs, which are quite thin. Lukasz replaced this very quickly at no charge when I emailed him.
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Hi all,
'Lukgraph' shots of the upcoming Albatros WD.4.
In 1:32nd and 1:24th scale,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD3.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD4.jpg)
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Looking forward to getting this one (to add to my Lukgraph collection). As an aside, had a couple of broken 3D pieces and Lukas mailed me replacement parts unbelievably fast. Great customer support!!!
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I hope that Lukgraph does not show the fuselage from the top to the side and from the side to the bottom as sharp-edged as the CAD drawings show.
That would not be correct.
These joints should be produced with a slight and gentle curve.
Exactly like the fuselage of the Albatros D.I or D.II.
The sharp edge from the lower wing leading edge to the sheet metal fairing on the nose of the airplane would also be incorrectly represented.
(https://up.picr.de/47052556ow.jpg)
(https://up.picr.de/47052554sm.jpg)
Servus
Bertl
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Hi Bertl,
Well spotted.
I also wonder about the keel of the floats.
The keels are not flat?
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD5.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD6.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WD7.jpg)
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Hi all,
Update from 'Lukgraph',
Mike
Albatros W.4 in 1:32 scale - pre-order has started
Albatros W.4 1:32
https://lukgraph.pl/en_GB/p/Albatros-W.4-132-Pre-order/257 (https://lukgraph.pl/en_GB/p/Albatros-W.4-132-Pre-order/257)
Albatros W.4 (Premium set) 1:32
https://lukgraph.pl/.../Albatros-W.4-132-Pre-order.../258 (https://lukgraph.pl/.../Albatros-W.4-132-Pre-order.../258)
Kit-set includes Hex camo decals as standard (2 pcs)
Kit-set contains:
Resin Casting Parts:
Fuselage, wings (1,2 mm steel wire reinforced), horizontal and vertical fins, ailerons, tail wings.
3D printed parts:
- Full Interior, propellers (2 types)
- All struts, strong ABS resin printed with holes to easier connect parts with wire (mounting wires included to the model).
- Engine - Mercedes D.III
3D printed parts packed in an additional box to ensure maximum protection.
- photo-etched parts
- steel wire to connect wings (1.2mm) and copper wires to mounting struts (0.5)
- Windscreen - PE+film
- Decals 3 paintings
- Decals 2 x A4 Hex camo
- Colored instructions
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/W4-1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/W4-2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/W4-3.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/W4-4.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/W4-5.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/W4-6.jpg)
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Thanks for the heads up Mike!
Now that we can see the actual parts, how do we feel about the fuselage lines? Bertl originally expressed some reservations, and you had concerns over the floats. It does not look quite right to me, particularly the lower fuselage forward of the lower wing? Perhaps it could be adjusted by sanding, but at these prices it shouldn’t be necessary!
I would be interested to hear other opinions.
David
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Thanks for the heads up Mike!
Now that we can see the actual parts, how do we feel about the fuselage lines? Bertl originally expressed some reservations, and you had concerns over the floats. It does not look quite right to me, particularly the lower fuselage forward of the lower wing? Perhaps it could be adjusted by sanding, but at these prices it shouldn’t be necessary!
I would be interested to hear other opinions.
David
Hi David,
Difficult to tell from the shots.
It does seem that the fuselage is in fact slab sided, although the edges do seem a bit sharp.
However, as you've noted, the fuselage forward from the lower wings does look to be a bit angular and not curved to the nose.
Also, the fairings at the leading and trailing edges of the lower wing roots are pre-molded, but flat to the fuselage.
Looking at drawings and photographs, if fitted, those fairing are much more pronounced.
Could be they are additional 3D printed parts in the kit.
Time will tell I guess,
Mike
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It is the same on the box art.
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Too bad,
if the kit comes as shown in the pictures, then it just misses the original.
At least the fuselage is wrong with its too flat side walls.
Look at the fuselages of the D.I, D.II and D,III - that's how the W.4 fuselage should be shaped.
The floats are - at first glance - okay, there were different variants of them.
Well, one simple possibility would be to dig out your old Roden D.I kit and use it to insert a correct W.4 fuselage between the resin wings ....
A real shame, I was really hoping that the W.4 would be a sensible, beautiful and correct addition to the Albatros range available on the market.
And yes, you can certainly sand, file, round and smooth ....
somewhat disappointed
Servus
Bertl
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Hi all,
FB update from 'Lukgraph'.
Mike
Albatros W4 - update
Unfortunately, sometimes mishaps happen. This was the case with the Albatros W4. We made a really significant mistake in the design of the model. Modelers with a trained eye quickly discovered this. It's just a pity that not a little earlier. We are withdrawing the first series of cast fuselages. We are repairing the defective fuselage. Thank you for your watchful eye.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WDcorrection.jpg)
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Well, this hard edge from the root of the lower wing nose forwards towards the nose of the fuselage is not the only flaw.
The transitions of the upper and lower "fuselage shell" to the side walls also need to be rounder and smoother.
Note the yellow marking in the second picture.
The same applies to the transition from the side wall to the lower fuselage shell.
I also miss the engravings on the fuselage nose planking.
.... and the maintenance hatch is now missing on the "repaired" CAD image
But anyway - it's good that Lukgraph is responding.
(https://up.picr.de/47220537fe.jpg)
(https://up.picr.de/47220536vx.jpg)
Servus
Bertl
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That's very interesting Bertl, hopefully Lukasz has been made aware of these issues!
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That's very interesting Bertl, hopefully Lukasz has been made aware of these issues!
Yes, I emailed those observations to Lucas
"I only showed the fact of the correction in the render. The entire fuselage will be improved.
The error occurred when dividing the plywood into sections, which unfortunately I didn't catch".
Mike
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Nice work Mike :) It's great to have folks knowledgeable on a subject to point out these things, but it's of little use unless it's communicated to the maker who could fix the issue.
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Hm, I thought Lukgraph is represented here in the forum and reads along?
Servus
Bertl
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Hm, I thought Lukgraph is represented here in the forum and reads along?
Servus
Bertl
Hi Bertl,
I believe Lucas does follow the forum, but sometimes posts on FB rather than here,
Mike
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Hm, I thought Lukgraph is represented here in the forum and reads along?
Servus
Bertl
Hi V,
I believe Lucas does follow the forum, but sometimes posts on FB rather than here,
Mike
Ah OK Mike, I didn't know that.
I thought he was reading the forum.
I'm not registered on Facebook.
But anyway, the important thing is that the W.4 will be a blast.
I've been waiting for this model in 1/32 for what feels like a hundred years :-\
Servus
Bertl
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Hi all,
Update from the 'Lukgraph' FB page,
Mike
Albatros W4 - update
Next week we will start shipping the 1:32 scale Albatros W4.
You can order: https://lukgraph.pl/ (https://lukgraph.pl/)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/ODDS/Lgraph/WDcorrected.jpg)