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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Mike Norris (UK) on July 08, 2023, 05:39:01 AM
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Hi all,
As I've suspended the build of the Phonix C.I, I thought I'd started an easier build.
The 'Wingnut Wings' model of the Hansa-Brandenburg W12, Serial No.1184 (C3MG) as flown by Fl.Mt. Urban and Lt. Ehrhardt of C-Staffel, Zeebrugge, during December 1917.
This aircraft was part of a three aircraft patrol that shot down the British Naval airship C27, killing all five of the crew,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/header.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/1184.jpg)
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YES! Im very much looking forward to this one Mike! Can't wait to see what you do with the kit. Have one im my stash so will be taking notes ;D
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A fine looking floatplane. I'm excited to see how this one turns out!
-Max
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Hi all,
The engine is complete apart from adding control rods once the engine is fitted into the fuselage.
I've added a few changes to the kit supplied engine:
Nickel-Silver push rods of 0.4 mm diameter.
Rear coolant pipe from 0.5 mm diameter lead wire.
Fuel filter pipes from 0.3 mm diameter copper wire.
Throttle control return spring from 0.125 mm diameter copper wire.
Ignition lead support tubes from shaped Brass tube.
Ignition leads from 'EZ' black line (Fine).
Fuel priming levers from 0.2 and 0.4 mm diameter Brass tube and Nickel-Silver rod.
Crankcase vent ports from 'RB Productions' photo-etch grill.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/engdone1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/engdone2.jpg)
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Another gem that looks ready for the test stand. Bravo Mike!
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Nicely done, Mike. Your builds are always a modelling clinic to watch and learn from.
Cheers,
Gary
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Beautiful start as always Mike!
RAGIII
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Imagine some wheels instead of floats and you are not too far away from a Phönix C. I!
Andreas
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Hi all,
An interesting conundrum.
There appears to be some contradiction for this aircraft regarding whether the upper wing was fitted with a fuel tank or not.
The two references are the ‘Wingnut Wings’ instruction manual and the ‘Windsock’ Data File No.61 - Brandenburg W.12 (Peter M Grosz), dated 1997.
The ‘windsock’ Data file has line drawing that show Aircraft Serial No. 1395-1414 had a integral fuel tank fitted in the centre section of the upper wing.
A fuel transfer pipe from the tank was fitted on the underside of the wing centre section and was connected to a pipe attached to a fuselage cabane strut and into the fuselage.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/wingtank1.jpg)
The ‘Wingnut Wings’ instruction manual only shows the underside fuel transfer pipe on the colour profiles of the various model colour schemes.
Neither the upper wing fuel tank or transfer pipes are represented in the kit.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/wingtank2.jpg)
Many photographs of the W.12 aircraft show the under wing fuel transfer pipe.
But I could not find any photographs showing the upper surface of the wing with a fuel tank fitted.
There is no mention of this tank in either the data file or the kit instruction manual.
So, are the older data file drawings incorrect or is the kit correct, apart from instruction manual illustrations?
Given the lack of information available to confirm a fuel tank in the upper wing, I’ve chosen to go with the kit, but disregard the illustrated pipe in the instruction manual.
Mike
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Hi all,
An interesting conundrum.
There appears to be some contradiction for this aircraft regarding whether the upper wing was fitted with a fuel tank or not.
The two references are the ‘Wingnut Wings’ instruction manual and the ‘Windsock’ Data File No.61 - Brandenburg W.12 (Peter M Grosz), dated 1997.
The ‘windsock’ Data file has line drawing that show Aircraft Serial No. 1395-1414 had a integral fuel tank fitted in the centre section of the upper wing.
A fuel transfer pipe from the tank was fitted on the underside of the wing centre section and was connected to a pipe attached to a fuselage cabane strut and into the fuselage.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/wingtank1.jpg)
The ‘Wingnut Wings’ instruction manual only shows the underside fuel transfer pipe on the colour profiles of the various model colour schemes.
Neither the upper wing fuel tank or transfer pipes are represented in the kit.
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/wingtank2.jpg)
Many photographs of the W.12 aircraft show the under wing fuel transfer pipe.
But I could not find any photographs showing the upper surface of the wing with a fuel tank fitted.
There is no mention of this tank in either the data file or the kit instruction manual.
So, are the older data file drawings incorrect or is the kit correct, apart from instruction manual illustrations?
Given the lack of information available to confirm a fuel tank in the upper wing, I’ve chosen to go with the kit, but disregard the illustrated pipe in the instruction manual.
Mike
Mike,
The W.12 fuel tank is inside the top wing (and therefore invisible from the exterior), while the fuel line is shown in the instructions at the bottom of page 11.
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Back in 1991 Peter Grosz included the cockpit shot from the Datafile in the "Cockpits" section of WWI Aero No. 131, along with a hand-drawn sketch by Roy Meyers indicating what the various controls and instruments were. One is labeled "Air Pump and Gravity Tank Selector", while another is labeled "Tank Selector?" So one would assume there was a gravity-feed wing tank and an internal tank (pressurized? or why else an air pump on the same toggle?), at least on the later 2000-series machine the photo illustrates.
(https://i.postimg.cc/RZwMjbJC/0-B4-B6-BC0-5782-4587-B04-E-524-FF2-F0-ACD4.jpg)
FWIW,
Dave V.
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Hi Dave and Wmcgill,
Many thanks for the heads up.
1. That'll teach me to check the kit instructions more thoroughly.
2. The cockpit illustration is something I didn't have access to.
Here's a few shots I've found for the auxiliary fuel tank in the upper wing,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/auxtank.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/auxtank1.jpg)
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One has to Love this Forum! Glad to see others helped out with your usual Meticulous research!
RAGIII
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One has to Love this Forum! Glad to see others helped out with your usual Meticulous research!
RAGIII
Hi Rich,
Never to old to learn ;)
Mike
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Great start Mike. The engine looks fantastic with your additions. Eagerly awaiting your next update.
All the best,
Tim
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Hi all,
The fuselage is ready to be closed up.
I've carried out a few enhancements to the cockpit:
Rudder control pulleys drilled and control cables added (0.08 mm diameter mono-filament and blackened 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube).
Elevator control levers drilled and control cables added (0.08 mm diameter mono-filament and blackened 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube).
Aileron control cables (photo-etch) replaced with 0.08 mm diameter mono-filament and 'Proper Plane' resin turnbuckles.
Observers seat and map shelf side stays added from blackened 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube.
Lead wire 0.4 mm diameter added for the fuel tank hand pressurizing pump.
Copper wire 0.125 mm diameter wrapped around the pilot control wheel to represent hand grip.
Nickel-silver 0.4 mm diameter tube used for the throttle quadrant to engine carburetor control rod.
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus9.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus10.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus11.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus12.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus13.jpg)
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Magnificent, Mike. There seems to have been quite a bit of room in that back office, although the GIB obviously wasn't able to enjoy the Barcalounger-style seating of the driver.
Dave V.
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Looking great!
-Max
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Really nicely done Mike. I never noticed that port hole in the rear cockpit wall. Must be to allow light in for the folding table? Thanks for sharing.
Tim
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Stunning cockpit and attention to details :)
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Looking good Mike!
Gary
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Excellent interior Mike....as always!
RAGIII
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Hi all,
I've replaced the kit supplied Spandau and Parabellum machine guns with modified 'Gaspatch' weapons.
The fuselage and other parts were primed then airbrushed with 'Tamiya' Grey (XF53).
The wings, ailerons and elevator were primed white and pre-shaded with 'Tamiya' Smoke (X19) prior to decal application (Aviattic),
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/guns5.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/guns6.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus16.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/preshade1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/preshade2.jpg)
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Hi all,
The fuselage was mottled with two slightly different shades of grey to give a weathered look to the wood surface.
The kit lozenge decals were replaced with 'Aviattic' decals as being more representative of the Lozenge colours.
The undersides have 'Aviattic' CDL decals applied.
The darker lozenge was decal over a grey base coat, to represent the darker linen effect over wood surfaces and upper wing auxiliary fuel tank.
The lighter linen shade was over white base coat.
The direction of the lozenge on the ailerons and elevator are different to the rest of the aircraft lozenge, as on the actual aircraft.
Still more detail painting and subsequent weathering to be done before assembly,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/dec1.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/dec2.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/dec3.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/dec4.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/dec5.jpg)
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Hi all,
The basic fuselage and lower wings assembled.
The two 'Spandau' machine guns and associated kit parts were replaced with slightly modified 'Gaspatch' weapons.
Still a lot of detail and weathering to do before full construction can start,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/guns8.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/guns9.jpg)
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/fus17.jpg)
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Hi all,
Now on its floats,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/struts1.jpg)
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nice.
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Very fine work on your W12. A pleasure to behold.
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Wow! Going together beautifully :)
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Great work, as usual, Mike.
One question, how do you achieve the weathered look on the machine guns? Use a sponge with silver paint to dab the silver color on?
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Those Aviattic decals really look the part. Nicely done.
Cheers,
Gary
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Outstanding progress and the Aviattic decals look awesome!
RAGIII
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Hi all,
I got carried away on the build and forgot to post later updates.
Apart from fitting the propeller the basic aircraft is finished.
I still have the figures and display base to do so still a bit to go yet,
Mike
(https://www.thatoneplease.co/buildlogs/HB-W12/done.jpg)
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Wow! Gorgeous work Mike!
RAGIII
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It's good to get lost in a build like that (I imagine) and steam ahead to the finish line. It's a lovely, colourful scheme and I can well see why you were so absorbed by the build.
Richie
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That’s a beautiful build Mike. I like the tonal contrast between the fabric covering on the wing framework and the wooden parts.
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Wow! Gorgeous work!
Also im impressed with the speed of your build :)
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Look incredible- great work! Just tried your wood painting technique on my Ninak - thanks!
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Well done!
Andreas
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Hi all,
Delays receiving the propeller and a figure are preventing completion of the W.12.
Hopefully it'll completed soon when I'll post final shots,
Mike
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Looking great! I'm looking forward to the final display
Max
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Yes, this is looking really good. It's an impressive kit and this is beautifully handled. Looking forward to the final photos.
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Hi all,
The final shots are now up in the 'Completed Models' page.
Once again, thanks for you comments and support during this build,
Mike