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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: rhallinger on January 31, 2013, 02:58:21 PM
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Hi all! This will be my next project once the Lloyd C.V is finished:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5934.jpg)
The above rear cover of "Over the Front," Vol. 27, No. 4 (Winter 2012), contains the relevant historical data: this Ni. 27 was the personal aircraft of Lt. Quentin Roosevelt (son of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt) while he was serving as a flight instructor for USAS pilots at Issoudun, France, in the Spring of 1918. I love the CDL color of this plane, and the star cockades, white tail/rudder with the stylized "QR" logo, and the comic strip charachter Old Doc Yak on the fuselage sides. The top wing apparently bore a large "American Shield" and huge white wings, in addition to the star cockades. Lt. Roosevelt's letters indicate that his crew painted the aircaft up as a surprise for him, and he described it as looking like "a Liberty Bond ad." He reportedly adored this aircraft. The sad postscript to this tale is that Lt. Roosevelt was killed in aerial combat on July 14, 1918, while flying a Nieuport 28 with the 95th Aero Squadron (that will be a model for the future).
I plan to use the Roden kit of the Nieuport 27c1, shown here with aftermarket USAS Cockade decals which I will use:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5935.jpg)
I plan to make decals for the Old Doc Yak artwork on the copy machine at work, using blank decal stock. I will have to imagineer the top wing American shield and white wings, as there are no known photos, only QR's written description. I'm thinking something along the lines of the Great Seal of the U.S., at least the shield and wings.
Does anyone have any information on the differences between the Nieuport 27c1 and 27 E.1? I have consulted my Nieuport references and searched online but cannot find anything. The aircraft appear to be very similar visually. Any help would be appreciated. :)
It will be a little while until I get this one started, but I wanted to throw my oar in the water anyway.
Regards,
Bob
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Good choice Bob, I have this same Roden kit in my stash so I will be watching your build very closely. I don't have any information on what you are asking but I'm sure someone will be able to help you out, that is a very interesting scheme and will look really good.
Des.
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I'll watch with interest. After getting burnt on the Rodn Tripe I've often been tempted to pick a Nieup up but shied away.
Keith
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Bob,
Love seeing these little kites in USAS markings! I'm looking forward to following your Nieuport project my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Me too, I have the 24bis on the shelf, vying for next in line status, so I will be very interested in seeing how this goes together. Interesting scheme choice too.
Cheers,
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Looking forward to seeing this livery in all her glory - good choice, Bob. :)
vB
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I started the 24 last year and will be pulling it out hopefully to finish it up this year. I too will be watching wth interest how how you do this and your thoughts regarding the kit. I know it is doable, but will test your modeling prowess.
Best
Mark
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Great minds think alike, Bob! As soon as I got my OTF, I pulled out my Karaya Nie.27 and started making plans to do just what you're doing. I'm really looking forward to following your progress on this build.
Cheers,
Bud
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Thanks to all commentators. :) I think this will be a fun subject, and there are several good photos of the bird in the OTF article noted above. Unfortunately, no photos exist of the top of the upper wing according to the article.
Bud, so glad you're doing the same in smaller scale! :D Maybe we can pool information, particularly on the difference (if any) between the Nie. 27c1 and the Nie. 27 E.1. What version is your Karaya kit? I have been unable to find much technical information on the E.1 version. Maybe it was just a designator for a trainer version with some upgraded mechanical systems or a different engine. I'm not going to worry about it too much for now, since the versions appear to be rather identical on the exterior, but maybe I'll pose the question over at the Aerodrome site and let those guys chew on it awhile. ;)
The one thing we won't likely find much on is the "American shield" and white wing markings on the upper wing surface. What's your take on that? I did a google search for Liberty Bond posters, since QR referenced them in describing the paint scheme, but there really wasn't anything that jumped out at me. I thought about the later Army Air Corps winged cockade, but that has yellow wings, and QR definately drew a distinction between the cockades on the upper wing and the "American shield." The Great Seal of the U.S., on the back of the current $1 bill was my leading candidate for awhile, since it has a shield with stars and stripes and the Eagle wings, but my research has indicated that the Great Seal was not used on the back of U.S. paper currency from 1914-1918. :( I suspect I'll end up doing some sort of shield shape with a stars and stripes motif, centered on the top wing, with the white wings extending outwards toward the cockades. I'll keep you posted if I come up with anything else. The good news is that neither of us can really be wrong! ;D
I won't be starting actual construction of this project (assuming I can restrain myself) until the Lloyd is finished, so probably inj March sometime.
Regards,
Bob
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Great choice, I'll be looking forward to seeing this too. Especially your design for the top wing. Having built this kit (a wartime Italian scheme) I'll be interested to see how you fit it together. Don't expect miracles... ;)
Mark
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Hey Mark! Thanks! Is your Italian version posted anywhere here on the forum (or elsewhere)? I'd love to see it. I like that version too, for the distant future. ;)
From multiple comments here, it sounds like this might be a challenging build. :) I've managed (with only a reasonable amount of swearing and sweating) to piece together a couple of Roden DR1s and an Alby D.III, so I will do my best with this Gallic swan. ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Hi Bob, to be honest the build isn't too detailed, but such as it is you can see it over on the GWITA forum in the recently finished Nieuport Group Build (Can't quite get my head around posting a build in more than one forum, though I know several people do it - must do one here soon!). The pics of the finished article (a scene with chickens) are in the 'completed builds' thread there. Low point for me was failing to spot that my undercarriage was a bit lopsided, though we always notice faults before anyone else does, don't we? Best result was with the homemade decals, I was proud of them. You're doing the same, aren't you? If you can, I would say use a laser printer. I have an inkjet and you have to take great care to avoid some ink run.
I absolutely wouldn't want to put you off the kit! I like the type, it's a very attractive one, and Roden's effort does look the part. If there's one moment to look out for, I would say it's when you try to put together that metal frame in the cockpit, the one which carries an instrument. I can't help feeling that particular procedure could have been designed better. I ended up having to butcher it. But it's not really visible once you seal it all up. It just irks, knowing I messed it up... ;) Oh, and another thing - you'll want to do a lot of shaving of the inside of the cowling.
Mark
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Thanks for your tips Mark. I'll check out your bird at the other site. I look forward to seeing those homemade markings. :D
Your experience with this kit sounds similar to my experiences with the other ones. Lots of test fitting, sanding and making sure things work before committing the glue! I've also noticed that Roden's landing gear attachment points can sometimes be problematic in terms of getting the durned things to sit level, so I'm still working on that issue. I'm already nervous about those tiny little stub plastic pins to connect the lower wings to the fuselage. Looks like they may need to be replaced by some heavier brass rod. As always, it will be an adventure!
Regards,
Bob
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Enjoy the build. She looks like an interesting bird. Give Roden credit - they ventured into the French machines!!
Steve
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I'm looking forward to seeing how you do the decals Bob. Please be sure to give us an indepth account.
Cheers,
Chris
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I think I've worked out the "American Shield" and white wings markings for the top wing. I found this WWI era American shield image online, and it would seem to fit QR's decsription well:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/2f589c92-99ee-4de1-932f-396fdd8faf53_zps8e887254.jpg)
The use of 13 stars and 13 stripes on the shield is in keeping with American shield images of this period, so I think it is appropriate for this aircraft.
I like these wings, as they are simple and the shield would fit where the circle is:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/wings_zps9a02afcb.jpg)
I have re-sized these images on a copier so that they fit well together in the center of the top wing of the Roden Nie. 27 kit. I will have to decide whether to make decals or mask and paint. Right now, I'm leaning initially toward masking and painting, but doing a black decal overlay of the wing outlies over white paint. Of course, all of this is still a long way off.
The rest of the markings will be relatively easy, since they are B/W and I already have good artwork.
Cheers,
Bob
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What drawing program do you use Bob? Illustrator, CorelDRAW . . .
Cheers,
Chris
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You credit my computer skills far in excess of reality Chris. ;) I am not that sophisticated. I simply use the reduce/enlarge feature on my office copier to resize the images I printed off---crude but effective! ;D Seriously though, if I were using the images for actual printing it would be better to adjust them with some sort of CAD program, to avoid copy degradation and permit color reproduction where necessary. I'm just not skilled in that yet. ;)
For this project, I will likely cut frisket or tape masks from the copies and paint the markings with an airbrush, so size and outline of the image are all that matters. If I make a copier decal for the wing outline to overlay the white paint, a single copy of the image will still provide an acceptable marking, in my experience.
Thanks fo asking though!
Regards,
Bob
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Great great choice. I really look forward to following this thread. I am a big fan of Teddy Roosevelt and family. His son Kermit I found particularly interesting to read about. I had forgotten about Quentin and his WW1 service. Here's some wiki stuff related to Roosevelt's WW1 years.
When World War I began in 1914, Roosevelt strongly supported the Allies and demanded a harsher policy against Germany, especially regarding submarine warfare. Roosevelt angrily denounced the foreign policy of President Wilson, calling it a failure regarding the atrocities in Belgium and the violations of American rights.[78] In 1916, he campaigned energetically for Charles Evans Hughes and repeatedly denounced Irish-Americans and German-Americans who Roosevelt said were unpatriotic because they put the interest of Ireland and Germany ahead of America's by supporting neutrality. He insisted one had to be 100% American, not a "hyphenated American" who juggled multiple loyalties. When the U.S. entered the war in 1917, Roosevelt sought to raise a volunteer infantry division, but Wilson refused.[79]
Roosevelt's attacks on Wilson helped the Republicans win control of Congress in the off-year elections of 1918. Roosevelt was popular enough to seriously contest the 1920 Republican nomination, but his health was broken by 1918, because of the lingering malaria. His family and supporters threw their support to Roosevelt's old military companion, General Leonard Wood, who was ultimately defeated by Taft supporter Warren G. Harding.[80]
His son Quentin, a daring pilot with the American forces in France, was shot down behind German lines in 1918. Quentin was his youngest son and probably his favorite. It is said the death of his son distressed him so much that Roosevelt never recovered from his loss.[81]
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Thanks Todd! I recall reading in "TR" that Teddy Rooselevlt took Quentin's death very hard, and never fully recovered from that blow. If you are interested in the Rooselvelt family, try to get a copy of the current issue of "Over the Front," referenced early in this thread, which includes a detailed article on Quentin and other members of the family who served in WWI in France. The article includes extensive excerpts from letters and journals, along with many photographs of the family in France.
Regards,
Bob
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Thanks and I will. You sparked my curiousity so much that I just spent the last half hour reading about Quentin's life and death. What a remarkable man his father was. I have often wondered at how one person could attempt and accomplish so much in one life time. The letters I've read so far from people on both sides of the war re Quentin are very moving. It is also fascinating to see the regard which the Germans had for TR and the respect they showed for Quentin in his honor. Again, I very much look forward to seeing what you produce here and to learning more about this subject and the plane(s) he flew.
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Quentin_Roosevelt_In_His_Plane.jpg)
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Todd, that's a very nice shot of Quentin in "Old Doc Yak." I'm not sure that one is in the OTF article, so thanks so much for providing it!
I agree about TR. When you think about the fact that he lost his wife and his mother on the same day when he was a young state legislator, and thought there was nothing left in his life, his story is all the more remarkable. With regard to Quentin's death in combat, I believe the OTF article makes the point that the German High Command really could not exploit his death for morale purposes because of the high regard the German public had for TR and the fact that his son chose to serve in the war.
I had planned to build Quentin's Nie. 28 of the 95th Aero Squadron (I still will get to that one eventually). I had never heard of his training Nie. 27 "Old Doc Yak" until last month when it was featured in OTF. I was immediately smitten! As I have indicated previously, I likely will not start the actual build until I finish a Group Build project I am currently in the middle of, so it will be several weeks. In the meantime, I am working out the details of the markings and gatrhering what I need. I am very much looking forward to this one!
Regards,
Bob
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Hello Bob:
I don't mean to steal your thread, but; you mentioned the Roden Nieuport 28 and doing in QR markings. Here is mine. It was one of my early builds but one of my favorites.
(http://i942.photobucket.com/albums/ad261/ptbarnum101/Marks%20WWI%20Subjects/NIE-28.jpg).
The cowling markings were a bit of a challenge to get the spacing right.
Cheers
Mark
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WOW! Looks great Mark!!! Thanks for sharing. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Okay, now that the Lloyd is finally finshed, I've started poking around with this project again. I've spent a few days just looking over the parts and instructions, and visualzing how this will go together. It was apparent quickly that this will be a bit of a challenge and require some reworking and planning to make sure everything will fit together well. As with most Roden kits, it is very important to test fit the major components and tape build them before further work. I've spent the past two days doing just that, and there was a good deal of cleanup and reshaping required to make sure the main components will fit together properly.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6484_zps85c2bc16.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6484_zps85c2bc16.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6485_zps6fe02179.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6485_zps6fe02179.jpg.html)
The perforated seat back is too thick and cracked when I tried to curve it around a Sharpie pen, so I made a new one from thin sheet styrene.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6483_zps58e249cb.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6483_zps58e249cb.jpg.html)
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Ooops! Hit the post button too soon. >:( Here's the new seat:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6482_zpsb565ed8b.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6482_zpsb565ed8b.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6487_zps8db9ff44.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6487_zps8db9ff44.jpg.html)
I had planned to do this one OOB, but I will likely need to rebuild the cockpit to make everything fit. I have heard that the little nubs on the lower wings are not very strong for attachment, so I am considering running a brass rod spar through the holes for the nubs in the fuselage, and drilliing out the nubs to provide a stronger attachment. Any thoughts on this or other approaches to lower wing attachment for the Roden Nieuports? Thanks.
Now that I am satisfied that the fuselage components will fit properly, the next step is painting and assembly of the cockpit.
Cheers,
Bob
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Nice work and great start! I have one of these to build and will be following your build intently!
RAGIII
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this kit is a bit crude compared to wnw kits but imho i think it is one of rodens most detailed cockpits in 1/32 to date. they pretty much caught all the main parts and left a nice platform for the detailer. i like how they did the cabanes all the way thru and such. yes the detail is a bit soft but i thnk this will build up nice. and i really like you markings you are gonna do.good luck. after the lloyd this will be a breeze.
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I agree with Scott's assessment of this kit, Bob. I had one of these briefly, but gave it up in a trade. As far as I could see, the only weak point was that seat back. Otherwise, a lovely kit. I think your spar idea is brilliant. That's exactly what I would do ;). Nothin' like a Nieuport after a challenging build to keep the enthusiasm up.
Cheers,
Bud
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even the seat can be made to work with effort. i had seen others try and snap the seat back. so i considered it a challenge. i boiled water in the microwave then grabbed the corner with tweezers and dunked it in. after a minute i smashed it around a marker pen of appropriate size. i formed without snapping. then i glued it to the seat base.
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Nice job on the new seat, Bob! The build is off to a dandy start.
Looking forward to more updates.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hello again folks! I have actually been working on this quite a bit lately, but my wife absconded with, er, borrowed the camera for work, so I have not been able to take pix until today.
I agree with Quentin that the cockpits of the Nieuports are difficult to assemble. I see two reasons for this. First, there is not much there so very little extended positive contact points to firmly affix the bits. Second, the way the kits are engineered, you are instructed to affix the cockpit parts to one side of the fuselage and then close up by adding the other side. Without any structural support for the cockpit pieces, this can make for difficulty in accurately locating the pieces within the cockpit and fuselage. I think for my next Nieuport I will scrape off the molded on stringers inside the fuselage and build a cockpit cage from styrene strip, as I have seen others do in earlier build logs. That makes assembly of the cockpit components easier, and then the separate cockpit assembly can be fit right into the fuselage.
I had the same problem with the seat that Ernie had on the Academy Ni. 17. I think I got it resolved in a similar fashion. ;)
I ended up using a brass rod spar through the fuselage to secure the lower wings. Those little plastic nubs just didn't look strong enough! The rudder/fin and horizontal stabilizer/elevator were cut apart and linked with brass pins, since all the photos of this aircraft show the elevator down and the rudder slightly off center. I also drilled and pinned all of the struts, something I have learned really helps on Roden kits.
The last week has been spent painting and applying decals. Here is where things stand tonight:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6735_zpsdda475e3.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6735_zpsdda475e3.jpg.html)
The color may be a little too tan, but we don't really know the actual shade, and it's close enough for me. The stripes on the fuselage were masked and painted. The U.S. national insignia are from a Techmod sheet. The stylized "QR" monogram on the white rudder was made by copyng the color profile on the office copier, reducing it to appropriate size, and copying it onto blank decal stock. The cowling was airbrushed with Mr. Metal Aluminum and buffed berfore sealing with Future.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6736_zps7d315647.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6736_zps7d315647.jpg.html)
These are the white wing (there is one on each side) and the "American Shield" decals. The wings were sized on the office copier and then copied onto blank white decal stock. The shield required a trip to Office Max, where the staff took my flash drive jpg file and resized the digital image and then printed it onto blank white decal stock with a color laser printer.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6737_zpseb540b6f.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6737_zpseb540b6f.jpg.html)
These will be applied to the top wng tomorrow. I still need to make the Old Doc Yak decals for the fuselage sides. Still thinking about that . . .
Cheers,
Bob
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Wow! She's really coming along beautifully, Bob. This is going to be a really unique and colorful bird when she's finished.
Cheers,
Bud
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I really like the colours you have used Bob, with the decals it is a very striking aeroplane, it is going to look great with the decal Wing and shield applied.
Des.
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You are making great progress, Bob! That is an interesting colour scheme
you have chosen. It should make for a very handsome model. Nicely done.
I'm looking forward to the next update.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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I can't add much to what has been said! Awesome scheme, decaling and Painting!!
RAGIII
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Thanks for your kind comments everyone. :D Since it's been ages since I started this thread, I thought it might be helpful remind folks about the history of this aircraft and its markings, so you understand what I'm doing with all of these "nonregulation" markings ;):
Hi all! This will be my next project once the Lloyd C.V is finished:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_5934.jpg)
The above rear cover of "Over the Front," Vol. 27, No. 4 (Winter 2012), contains the relevant historical data: this Ni. 27 was the personal aircraft of Lt. Quentin Roosevelt (son of U.S. President Theodore Roosevelt) while he was serving as a flight instructor for USAS pilots at Issoudun, France, in the Spring of 1918. I love the CDL color of this plane, and the star cockades, white tail/rudder with the stylized "QR" logo, and the comic strip charachter Old Doc Yak on the fuselage sides. The top wing apparently bore a large "American Shield" and huge white wings, in addition to the star cockades. Lt. Roosevelt's letters indicate that his crew painted the aircaft up as a surprise for him, and he described it as looking like "a Liberty Bond ad." He reportedly adored this aircraft. The sad postscript to this tale is that Lt. Roosevelt was killed in aerial combat on July 14, 1918, while flying a Nieuport 28 with the 95th Aero Squadron (that will be a model for the future).
Another progress update will follow this weekend. ;D
Regards,
Bob
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Wow.. this Ni was skipping me >:(!
Love the paint job in it. Nice decaling too.
It's going to be a beauty.
Cheers
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Here's the weekend mini-update. I was able to get the Old Doc Yak decal made. I tried to trace artwork from the Ronny Bar profile, but couldn't get it to work. Since I had such a good experience at Office Max with the American Shield decal, I decided to photograph the Old Doc Yak emblem from the back cover of my reference publication, and the crop and make a reverse image for the other side with Photobucket. This worked pretty well, I think. Anyway. here's the top wing fully marked:
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6743_zps28b19a3a.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6743_zps28b19a3a.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6744_zps4c6478b8.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6744_zps4c6478b8.jpg.html)
I like the way this turned out. There are no extant photos of the top of the wing, so we only have Lt. Roosevelt's description in his letters to go by. Both the shield and the wing images date from around the WWI era, so I think this is a fair representation. Roosevelt referred to the markings as an "American Shield" and huge white wings, looking like a war bond.
The Old Doc Yak decal was prepared in about 5 minutes at the Office Max Print Center, at a cost of $2.08. I have extras of both the shield and the Yak I will send to anyone else who wants to do this aircraft. For you 1/48 scalers, I can send you the digital artwork and you can have it resized accordingly.
Here's the "Old Doc Yak" decal applied to the fuselage. The background is a little dark, but that's a compromise of using the phograph method. Still, I find it rather appealing, and a fair representation of the aircraft. I still have to add a few details by finepoine brush.
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6748_zps5b05464b.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6748_zps5b05464b.jpg.html)
(http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a632/rhallinger/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6749_zps787d8bad.jpg) (http://s1287.photobucket.com/user/rhallinger/media/Photobucket%20Desktop%20-%20HOME-PC/IMG_6749_zps787d8bad.jpg.html)
I will be ready for final assembly soon. Then we'll see what all of these colorful markings look like in combination! ;D
Cheers,
Bob
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Great work on the decals, Bob! About close to prefection as you could get. Nicely done.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Ernie! The Old Doc Yak decal actually looks better to the eyeball than in the photo, so I'm very happy with it.
Progress will slow a bit, with babysitting my daughter's 9 month-old lab puppy. She requires lots of my attention, so less time for modeling over the next two weeks. I may have this one finished up by then anyway. ;D
Regards,
Bo
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Bob,
I've got to agree with Ernie on your decal application. Awesome works my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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That's excellent work, Bob. The decals have come up really well and make the model "pop".
Excellent stuff, mate.
Dal.
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Fantastic work, Bob! Can't wait to see her all together.
Cheers,
Bud
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Excellent work with the decals! Like the others I am looking forward to seeing them all together!!
RAGIII
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Excellent progress! The decals are amazing, it is going to be a stunner!
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I missed this one and am only catching up now. Great looking scheme and your marking problem solving is amazing!!
Steve
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Beautiful work on the decals Bob, they certainly make this a one of a kind model.
Des.
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That's amazing Bob!
Love the unique decals.. I wouldn't know where to start with that..
I don't think there's a similar shop in the UK that could make decals to order - does anyone know different?
Regards
Guy
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Here's a brief update. Assembly of the aircraft has commenced:
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The tailplane and rudder required some trimming and sanding to fit well, and the rudder was pinned and turned slightly to the left per photos of Old Doc Yak on the ground. I went ahead and rigged the tail:
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It's now time to put her into the jig to try to fit the top wing. I'm a bit worried about this because the fit of ths kit has presented some challenges thus far. Wish me luck!
Cheers,
Bob
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Good luck Bob!
Wing alignments on non wingnut kits would terrify me!
:o
Guy
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"Old Doc Yak" is looking fantastic! Your efforts on this one are paying off handsomely !! I am sure you will get the wing mounted with great results!
RAGIII
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The wing shouldn't be a problem for you Bob. You are doing just a terrific job
on the Nieuport. I look forward to the next update.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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It's awesome!
I hope that the toop wing will fit alright for you. Best of luck.
Cheers
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Bob -
Great looking bird your putting together there. I have this particular kit in my stash - given your experiences regarding fit, I think I made hold off for a bit ................!
Regards
Dave
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Thanks for the kind words everyone. Well, all of the trimming and filing and sanding and carving to make things fit has resulted in one cabane being about 2 mm short. >:( Darn! Oh well, one more minor challenge. :o. I'll figure it out and get back to you soon!
Cheers,
Bob
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Here's the fix:
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I cut a strip of .005 sheet styrene (paper thin) and wrapped it around the top of the short cabane strut, effectively extending the height by 2 mm. I'll clean it up and paint it. Not much of a positive connection with the wing, but it will serve its purpose by keeping the upper wing level. Now, onward to the jig! (Gee, the engine looks way too bright and shiney; I'll need to give it a good dirty wash.)
Regards,
Bob
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Brilliant work, Bob! I knew that for anyone with the skills to scratch a 1/32 scale Lloyd C.V, this repair would be a piece of cake. Old Doc Yak is looking very, very cool. Can't wait for the next update.
Cheers,
Bud
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Good fix on the strut, Bob. You will be back on track in a jiffy! I'm anxious
to see the top wing happily settled into place. Keep at the great work, my friend!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Thanks Bud and Ernie! I couldn't resist dry-fitting the top wing before breaking out the jig, and to my surprise everything lined up well! :D
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I'm getting ahead of myself. I need to install the windscreen and add the rigging wire to the top wing, and THEN install the wing. Looks like I might not even need the jig! We're getting close now--there are very few pieces left on the bench! ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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Bob,
As always very impressive work my friend. Love those markings.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Great work on fixing that strut issue! The model looks beautiful with that upper wing in place. One would never know there was an issue at all!!
RAGIII
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Thanks Bud and Ernie! I couldn't resist dry-fitting the top wing before breaking out the jig, and to my surprise everything lined up well! :D]
Were there any doubts? Well done, Bob! It looks great with the top wing on.
Onward and upward!
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Hi Bob:
Just now catching up on this build. It is really a striking aircraft and you are doing a great job on it. I would be interested in the extra decals you have if you still have them.
You can send me a PM via the message board here.
Thanks Bob
Mark
The Old Doc Yak decal was prepared in about 5 minutes at the Office Max Print Center, at a cost of $2.08. I have extras of both the shield and the Yak I will send to anyone else who wants to do this aircraft. For you 1/48 scalers, I can send you the digital artwork and you can have it resized accordingly.
Here's the "Old Doc Yak" decal applied to the fuselage. The background is a little dark, but that's a compromise of using the phograph method. Still, I find it rather appealing, and a fair representation of the aircraft. I still have to add a few details by finepoine brush.
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Of course the test fitting of the top wing was easy and without issue---so much so that I skipped the jig and went right after it the old-fashioned way, after I had added the windscreen and attached the rigging lines to the bottom of the top wing. ;) Ruh-rho! Another hair-raising adventure in upper wing attachment! I'd fix one side, and the other would pop out. >:( Shoulda used the jig, dummy! ::) Nonetheless, after several rounds of push, shove, re-adjust and push some more, the top wing is now in place, firmly I hope, and everything seems to line up closely enough. :o I'll start stringing the rigging tonight. ;D I've been spoiled for wing attachment by WNW, where adding the top wing is like gluing on the propeller. ;)
No pix this time, as it looks just like the test-fit photos. Getting close to calling this one done!
Regards,
Bob
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Very, very sharp!!!
Steve
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I got the rigging done last night, and prepped the landing gear for installation this morning, soooo . . . I should have her completed and more pix this weekend.
Now that she's practically together (and well beyond any remedial action) I have finally noticed a problem that I should have picked up on long ago. Fools rush in, etc. . . . The top wing came off the sprues with dihedral, but the Ni.27 doesn't really have any dihedral in the top wing (at least not noticeable) >:(. I could have corrected this at the outset, but my lack of familiarity with the 27 and focus on the paint scheme/markings led me to blow right by that issue. Shoulda checked my references more carefully! ::) Too late to do anything about those lovely upturned wingtips at this point. Live and learn! ;D She's still a beautiful bird, and you only really notice the dihedral from front or 3/4 views. Ah well . . . better luck next time. :D Fair warning to other prospective Ni.27 modelers! ;)
Regards,
Bob
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Thanks for the warning about the wing, Bob. Nice that you are just about at
the end of the journey. It's a gorgeous aeroplane and you have done her
proud. I'm really looking forward to the finale photos.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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She's done, and I'm very pleased with the outcome. Here are the final workbench photos:
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It's satisfying to pick an aeroplane you want to model and gather everything you need, and figure out how to create whatever's missing. I knew I wanted to model Old Doc Yak the moment I saw the profile on the back cover of Over the Front last Winter. The Roden kit proved challenging with fit issues, but nothing unmanageable for the average modeler. It's more a challenge to one's patience then one's skills! ;D WNW have spoiled us! As for the dihedral issue with the upper wing, I've decided that it's really not bad, but I wish I would have realized the issue before construction when it can be easily fixed. Overall though, I think she's a very attractive aeroplane.
Thanks for watching and your helpful comments and support. I'll post better final photos over in Completed Models later today (and yes, I will go back and take better photos of the Lloyd C.V soon!). ;)
Cheers,
Bob
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Lovely Ni.
Your right in being pleased with it. I enjoy the overall look specially the upper wing. Very neat! Congrats for the great model that you've achieved.
Cheers
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Bob you've done a superb model there! Very enjoyable (from this point of view ;)).
Despite the troubles you had with the wing, you have come up with a winner, my friend
I look forward to your next project. :)
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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A Beautiful job on a beautiful and more unusual scheme!
RAGIII
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Brilliant work, Bob
Well done!
Regards
Dave
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Hello Bob:
This really turned out neat. I like the overall look of it and knowing what a pain in the posterior this model is, it is that much more noteworthy of a build. The markings and color really make it stand out.
Best
Mark
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Bob,
Another outstanding project my friend. Love those markings too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Excellent work on a unique machine!
Steve