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Title: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 10, 2023, 06:57:24 AM
Hello folks, I've finally been able to start work on a new WnW kit - the 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914). I bought this one after swearing I'd not add to my stash...until the recent glut of kits hit the market and I'd regretted not picking this one up previously. I'll build aircraft 283/14, a common choice, since the transparent CDL wings and differently coloured fuselage appeal to me.

I added some Taurus Models primer cups and spark plugs to the engine, and wired it with 0.010" lead wire. I also used the lead wire to add plumbing to the fuel system on the back of the instrument panel. I made a couple of fuel selector handles from bent brass tubing. The prop was painted with Tamiya acrylics and given a wood grain look with oil paints.

Since starting the build I realized I wanted some HGW seatbelts and some control horns for the wings and tail section, so until they arrive I can slowly progress with painting the other bits. I did pick up some Copper State Models spoked wheels for this one - they are quite nicely printed in 3D resin.

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/Dy1vMhM.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/lmXtc8y.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/sQce6Os.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Iyynupl.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/pW57qZB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/xM1hAqW.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on April 10, 2023, 07:06:06 AM
Hi Gary,
Nice to see you tackling this model.
I really must hit mine in the stash one day.
I'll be following with great interest,

Mike
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on April 10, 2023, 07:25:23 AM
Ooh, nice Gary,

I’ve got one too so looking forward to seeing yours. The wiring on the engine is really excellent! How do you get the wiring to attach to the distributor(?) so neatly?

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 10, 2023, 08:01:55 AM
Ooh, nice Gary,

I’ve got one too so looking forward to seeing yours. The wiring on the engine is really excellent! How do you get the wiring to attach to the distributor(?) so neatly?

Guy

Thanks Guy - I drill 0.016" holes into the points at which the wires enter the magnetos, and glue the lead wire in place with cyano after they're inserted deep enough. After the magnetos are in position, the wires are then gently bent into shape to converge at the conduit, glued then painted. Cheers!

(https://i.imgur.com/CLgIIIj.jpg)
(on a Mercedes D.III)

(https://i.imgur.com/ZtMpwZ3.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on April 10, 2023, 08:15:44 AM
I just know this is going to be beautiful Gary, very pleased to see you building a model of this lovely old aircraft.

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on April 10, 2023, 08:33:12 AM
Thanks Gary,

Looks absolutely super painted up!

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on April 10, 2023, 10:41:19 PM
Oh, lovely. Enjoy thoroughly every step in thi build, it is a great kit and I am sure you will end up with a spectacular model.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Borsos on April 10, 2023, 11:21:53 PM
Another adventure I‘ll follow! I am very keen on seeing your treatment of the Taube.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 11, 2023, 01:39:36 AM
Oh, lovely. Enjoy thoroughly every step in thi build, it is a great kit and I am sure you will end up with a spectacular model.

Thanks, Prze. I have been using info from your build to plan mine. But there’s no way I can replicate your wonderful work on the interior rigging with all of those turnbuckles etc. I’ll be taking a short-cut on that 😉
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: FAf on April 12, 2023, 01:07:49 AM
Great looking start!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on April 12, 2023, 05:57:50 PM
Oh, lovely. Enjoy thoroughly every step in thi build, it is a great kit and I am sure you will end up with a spectacular model.

Thanks, Prze. I have been using info from your build to plan mine. But there’s no way I can replicate your wonderful work on the interior rigging with all of those turnbuckles etc. I’ll be taking a short-cut on that 😉
Cheers,
Gary

Gary, I am honoured you use my build as a reference. And, I am sure you could out-do me with the interior rigging!
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on April 12, 2023, 07:17:16 PM
Oh, lovely. Enjoy thoroughly every step in thi build, it is a great kit and I am sure you will end up with a spectacular model.

Thanks, Prze. I have been using info from your build to plan mine. But there’s no way I can replicate your wonderful work on the interior rigging with all of those turnbuckles etc. I’ll be taking a short-cut on that 😉
Cheers,
Gary

Hi Prze,
I'd be interested in anything you have on Polish Taube's.
I didn't know it was in Polish service,

Mike

Gary, I am honoured you use my build as a reference. And, I am sure you could out-do me with the interior rigging!
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on April 12, 2023, 07:23:23 PM

Hi Prze,
I'd be interested in anything you have on Polish Taube's.
I didn't know it was in Polish service,

Mike


But, Mike, I did not say a word about possible Polish service Taube. To my knowledge, we did not have any.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on April 12, 2023, 07:46:45 PM

Oops wrong thread.
It was in Gary's Halberstadt build thread,

Mike

It will be interesting. But since you are still planing, why not build a Polish post war one? They usually had light wood fuselage (sometimes with green paint stains) and losenge. I can send you a couple of colour schemes if you are interested. In this forum you can also find my build from one year ago, too ;)



Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 12, 2023, 10:57:59 PM
Nice, major start! Will watch with interest. Wonder how much longer we'll be able to get lead wire before the bubble wrap everybody gang find out about it? Even the fly tying people are using it less.

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Tim Mixon on April 13, 2023, 01:33:02 AM
Looking forward to this build Gary. Very nice work on the engine and interior.  Thanks for the detailed posts. I’ll definitely reference this for a future 1/72 build.

Tim
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 15, 2023, 02:40:22 AM
Looking forward to this build Gary. Very nice work on the engine and interior.  Thanks for the detailed posts. I’ll definitely reference this for a future 1/72 build.

Tim

Thanks for that, Tim - I can't imagine how much work this subject would be at that scale!

I had a nice mail delivery from the Czech Republic yesterday, and was able to piece together my seatbelts for the model. I decided to improve the spring detail by making new ones from copper wire. This is a in-progress photo before they get painted up, since adding a dark wash enhances the printed detail/stitching which is almost invisible without it. Since using these HGW belts I have trouble settling for the thin appearance of etched metal type provided in the kits.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/VHaiN0j.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/FGPnMuD.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 15, 2023, 11:51:35 PM
Amazing work. Oil or acrylic wash? Just wondering if turps would affect the belt material.

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 16, 2023, 01:02:34 AM
Amazing work. Oil or acrylic wash? Just wondering if turps would affect the belt material.

Steve

Thanks Steve - the instructions that come with the belts suggest using a highly diluted oil paint. I find that after applying cyano glue to fix these parts, the oil paint will not colour the areas where the glue has oozed out...so touch ups with acrylic will be needed there. I'm yet to get to that stage on these.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 16, 2023, 02:37:18 AM
The wings of this aircraft were determined to be a CDL, so I debated on how to finish them. CDL Aviattic decals would work nicely, but with control horns for the "aileron" areas to be added along with all of the other rigging attachments it would be probably to much faff. Those decals are subject to possible silvering (my clumsy methods to blame) and do not react well to paint touch-ups or when I spill liquid cement on them. So I felt painting was the best way to go.

(https://i.imgur.com/NLfZG7d.jpg)
After spraying lines of dark brown to represent the framework on both sides of the two wings, I applied thin strips of masking tape.

 (https://i.imgur.com/DQpxTZA.jpg)
After a mist of XF-55 Deck Tan combined with XF-57 Buff, the tape was removed, and the Tamiya acrylic oversprayed onto the wings until a hint of the frame was visible - leaving more of the frame evident on the lower side.

(https://i.imgur.com/Kmwyn0U.jpg)
The main parts of the wings were masked off, and a mist of straight XF-55 Deck Tan was airbrushed onto the thinner "Aileron" section of the wings, still leaving the frame evident.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: KiwiZac on April 18, 2023, 06:59:41 AM
Fine work Gary, I quite like how you've painted the wings - a great impression of CDL without being over-the-top.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 19, 2023, 12:34:35 PM
Fine work Gary, I quite like how you've painted the wings - a great impression of CDL without being over-the-top.

Thanks for that, Zac. This build is full of tricky steps, and I debated long and hard on how to manage the wings. As I fit the fuselage halves, things are not quite straightforward...so more stories to tell there  ;)
Regards,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on April 19, 2023, 04:32:24 PM
Yep,

The Wingnut kits do keep your brain active don’t they?

Issue with the fit on the wings though, or just planning future steps?

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 19, 2023, 10:49:13 PM
Nice progress.

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 19, 2023, 11:59:31 PM
Yep,

The Wingnut kits do keep your brain active don’t they?

Issue with the fit on the wings though, or just planning future steps?

Guy

When trying to fit the cockpit/engine assembly into the fuselage halves, the nose was not coming together properly- something was impeding the fit. Turns out the engine front corners were pushing against part of the right side, where the locating pin hole was formed. I’ll try and get a photo or two to better illustrate this. Maybe my engine was just a “blonde one” too far forward, but everything else fit fine, so??
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Rafael Berlin on April 22, 2023, 04:49:22 AM
Hi Gary,

That Stahltaube looks really nice so far. Love especially the engine and the tubes/valve details from behind the front seat.

Living in Berlin I have a lot of pictures from the last original Stahltaube (Museum für Verkehr und Technik). I also have pictures of the inside, which the museum sent me. But I'm not allowed to post them officially in the internet. So, if you are interested, simply PN me.

I found the landing gear set from Scale Aircraft Conversions quite helpful. Provides a lot of stability. It also includes more stable levers for the above side of the wings and other helpful parts.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/scale-aircraft-conversions-32127-jeannin-stahltaube-landing-gear-and-wire-supports--1121702

Best Regards
Rafael
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 22, 2023, 06:28:09 AM
Hi Gary,

That Stahltaube looks really nice so far. Love especially the engine and the tubes/valve details from behind the front seat.

Living in Berlin I have a lot of pictures from the last original Stahltaube (Museum für Verkehr und Technik). I also have pictures of the inside, which the museum sent me. But I'm not allowed to post them officially in the internet. So, if you are interested, simply PN me.

I found the landing gear set from Scale Aircraft Conversions quite helpful. Provides a lot of stability. It also includes more stable levers for the above side of the wings and other helpful parts.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/scale-aircraft-conversions-32127-jeannin-stahltaube-landing-gear-and-wire-supports--1121702

Best Regards
Rafael

Thanks for the kind words, Rafael. And the offer of photos from the museum example. I'll certainly consider getting those pics from you, although I've just had to glue together my fuselage halves after having a near disaster whilst test-fitting the cockpit/engine assembly.

I did see photos of your model on Scalemates - wow, you did a superb job!! I'll see how much luck I have with the kit parts for now...
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 22, 2023, 06:31:56 AM
As a follow-up to my comment previously about trouble with the fit of the engine (impeding the nose halves from coming together), I'm noting the point at which I had to trim a bit of the styrene away so as not to interfere with the engine. It's circled in red.

(https://i.imgur.com/esaj74i.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: KiwiZac on April 22, 2023, 07:02:08 AM
If you need someone to assist with prop swinging, Gary, just let me know - she looks about ready to fire up!
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on April 23, 2023, 08:55:53 AM
Beautiful engine and wing translucency Gary.The care you have taken over identifying the area obstructing a good fit is a lesson in itself.

Speaking of lessons, I got a copy of your book on painting and finishing models today. This is something I really need to improve on and the advice and demonstrations are superb.

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 24, 2023, 12:08:59 AM
Beautiful engine and wing translucency Gary.The care you have taken over identifying the area obstructing a good fit is a lesson in itself.

Speaking of lessons, I got a copy of your book on painting and finishing models today. This is something I really need to improve on and the advice and demonstrations are superb.

Richie

Thanks so much for that, Richie. That book was written so long ago I’d have to redo it with a host of updates! The very first build of a WW1 biplane I’d done (as an adult) is in that book, but it sure spurred on an interest in continuing the modelling of those subjects. I’ve learned so much since then (2009).
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 24, 2023, 08:21:07 AM
Piecing together the inside of the cockpit and engine compartment and test fitting how it sits in the fuselage halves was a long process. As mentioned - I haven't added any of the interior turnbuckles, or even "faked" them with blobs of paint. Seatbelts were added with extensions for the pilots set since they didn't reach the support frame. Rigging was done with EZ-Line, along with the maze of control wires.
Cheers!

(https://i.imgur.com/JGwpB3H.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/aZtuxmA.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/SpKozna.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Ag6n9sZ.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on April 24, 2023, 08:25:22 AM
Beautiful interior!
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: KiwiZac on April 24, 2023, 10:02:19 AM
I reckon an updated version would sell darned well Gary - having printed photos of your work would be a terrific inspiration for many modellers such as myself.

In the meantime, that fuselage structure is looking magnificent! I'm keen to see your next update when able.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 24, 2023, 11:15:21 PM
Wow! Amazing progress.

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Tim Mixon on April 24, 2023, 11:54:14 PM
Gary,
What outstanding craftsmanship you are demonstrating with this kit. I really appreciate the detail and quality photos. I’ve been putting off building a 1/72 Pegasus kit but your posts are really inspiring. 

All the best,
Tim
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on April 25, 2023, 01:38:34 AM
Beautiful, clean work Gary. This is turning into a masterclass. This is inspiring stuff!

I agree with Zac, an updated version of your book would be a big seller.

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Borsos on April 25, 2023, 03:54:06 AM
Great work on the interior. I love the engine most. It’s truely looking metallic.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 25, 2023, 10:55:00 AM
Prze, Zac, Steve, Tim, Richie and Andreas - thanks so much for the kind words on my build so far.

I long contemplated how to get the "worked aluminium" look to this model. The pattern is well illustrated in the WnW instuction guide. But to do it on the model after the fuselage halves were together would mean a difficult masking job on the engine - possibly damaging the delicate wire, spark-plug and primer cup detail. So I decided to paint it ahead of that step...and just touch up the joints after the fact. I painted the base colour Alclad II Dark Aluminum, and tired to emulate the pattern of lines with Model Master Chrome enamel. Testing the pattern first on the less-seen bottom, I adjusted my pattern to thinner lines, and larger patches.

I've patched the joints, and sealed it with a clear varnish. And the fuselage needed a LOT of filler down the spine - possibly my error in a poor gluing/positioning of the parts.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/8SF76jl.jpg)
first test - must make thinner lines and larger patches...

(https://i.imgur.com/7mYZhlu.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/c1mW9Av.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: kensar on April 25, 2023, 09:22:42 PM
Looks good.  How are you painting the lines - a brush?
The interior looks great.  Nice wear effects.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on April 25, 2023, 09:46:01 PM
Hi Gary,
That looks very nicely done.
I thought I might try cutting masks for this when I build mine,

Mike
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on April 26, 2023, 08:14:38 AM
The turned metal effect looks spot on Gary. I can see in the photos how the brighter silver changes in the light. It must be even more effective up close and personal

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 26, 2023, 10:25:29 AM
Great results. Often wonder if a fine marker would work.

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 26, 2023, 11:56:36 AM
Looks good.  How are you painting the lines - a brush?
The interior looks great.  Nice wear effects.

Ken, Mike, Richie and Steve - thanks for that.

Mike - I wonder how masks would work on something so complicated and fine? I'm looking forward to see how that works for you when you get going on your Taube.

And Ken - the lines were painted using one of those Tamiya fine brushes...Tamiya Item 87048. I bought a whack of them since they compliment the Winsor & Newton Series 7 000 brushes I use with Vallejo acrylics. They're not as fine, but good enough with enamels and some of the not-so-tiny stuff I do.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Rookie on April 26, 2023, 06:31:07 PM
I guess I am a little late to the party...

As usual, I am fully enjoying every post. What a beautiful bird this is. The engine looks' magnificent with all the detailing done and as always I am in awe with your painting skills.

Does anyone know if there are any kits in 1/72 still around?

Willem
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: mess on April 26, 2023, 06:43:30 PM
I used the same procedure as Gary, it looks usable to me.
M.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Rafael Berlin on April 27, 2023, 06:08:46 PM
I used Tamiya X-11 (Chrome Silver) on Alclad 2 (Aluminum) and applied the Tamiya also with small paint brush.

I recommend to cut out the "X"-hole before doing so. In my case the seam between the halves opened again while cutting the X and I was happy to not paint it all again  ;)

(https://community.revell.de/download/file.php?id=40045)

Best regards
Rafael
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Boch on April 27, 2023, 11:40:03 PM
It looks fantastic.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on April 28, 2023, 01:04:32 AM

I recommend to cut out the "X"-hole before doing so. In my case the seam between the halves opened again while cutting the X and I was happy to not paint it all again  ;)

Best regards
Rafael

Thanks Rafeal - I had to cut my X-hole afterwards but used some very strong Flex-I-File "Plast-I-Weld” for the joint, so happily no splitting.
I worried that my after-market engine parts would interfere with the fit of the small front fairing on the cowl just in front of the first cylinder - but there was just enough room. Sigh of relief.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/MLeNOq4.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on April 28, 2023, 01:19:14 AM
That looks the part!!

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Rafael Berlin on April 28, 2023, 02:29:29 AM
That looks terrific!

Thumbs up!  :)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Tim Mixon on April 28, 2023, 04:03:41 AM
Looks very nice! 
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: FAf on April 28, 2023, 04:25:07 AM
Very nice looking results!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RAGIII on April 29, 2023, 02:46:21 AM
Another build I have caught up with today! Your construction and detailing is Terrific but WOW, Your painting is Masterful!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 01, 2023, 10:42:18 PM
Thanks to all for the encouraging words on the build so far!

One of the details apparent in the museum pictures from Berlin and the period photos are the small control horns on the tail and aileron areas of the aircraft. One of the models I'd been referencing for my build (Filip Xmald) had a nice representation of these made from 1/48 scale etched metal from "Part" in Poland. I couldn't source this product, so went with Eduard's version...but had no idea how big their 1/32 or 1/48 versions were. Gambling on their 1/32 product, I ordered two frames from Hannants to get enough for the model.

The horns seemed a bit large when I looked at them after receiving my package. After installing them on the tail, they were obviously waaaaay too big and actually looked ridiculous. Swallowing my pride, I dug into my parts bin and discovered some 1/35 German AFV tool clamps. By cutting the hasps in half, and drilling the end holes clean, they made a reasonable facsimile for what I was trying to replicate.

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/AwTyjsb.jpg)
Eduard's 1/32 control horns seemed excessively large

 (https://i.imgur.com/ltPJs8M.jpg)
The locking hasps for the 1/35 tool clamps were used instead.

 (https://i.imgur.com/cOE8e1X.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/Rv0xtoA.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RAGIII on May 02, 2023, 12:46:37 AM
Clever solution Gary! The horns look convincing to Me!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on May 02, 2023, 03:55:49 AM
Looks great Gary!

Very resourceful..

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on May 02, 2023, 05:45:26 AM
The control horns look perfectly in scale and beautifully aligned. Did you cut a slot and feed them through?

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Borsos on May 02, 2023, 05:48:22 AM
You’ll slow down the advance of half of a Panzer Division because someone must bail out of every tank and get back in almost permanently to pick up tools that had fallen down again, but those clamps fit a Taube from WW1 quite well.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: KiwiZac on May 02, 2023, 08:46:35 AM
An excellent and very clever fix, bravo!

You’ll slow down the advance of half of a Panzer Division because someone must bail out of every tank and get back in almost permanently to pick up tools that had fallen down again
;D ;D
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 02, 2023, 11:59:16 PM
You’ll slow down the advance of half of a Panzer Division because someone must bail out of every tank and get back in almost permanently to pick up tools that had fallen down again, but those clamps fit a Taube from WW1 quite well.
Andreas

Ha ha, don’t worry about my Panzer Divisions (or Sturmartillerie Battalions!) I have plenty of these things, Andreas  :D
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 03, 2023, 12:03:16 AM
The control horns look perfectly in scale and beautifully aligned. Did you cut a slot and feed them through?

Richie

Thanks Richie, the holes in the tail were drilled out bigger to accept the hasp halves from top and bottom since I had to remove a small amount from the middle of each one. The wings only have them on top, so I just deepened the holes to accept the half sections of hasp there, securing all with medium thick cyano.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Tim Mixon on May 03, 2023, 01:09:45 AM
Beautiful work on the interior and engine Gary. Very convincing turned metal engine enclosure. Clever idea for the control horn, they look as if they were included in the kit!

All the best,
Tim
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 03, 2023, 11:26:08 AM
Beautiful work on the interior and engine Gary. Very convincing turned metal engine enclosure. Clever idea for the control horn, they look as if they were included in the kit!

All the best,
Tim

Thanks for that, Tim. You're very kind  :)

Purchased for this kit were Copper State Models 3D printed spoked wheels A32-006 which are size 810X125. They nicely suited for the model and perhaps a bit better than the kit-supplied options. I had to trim the axle supports down a little to get them to fit.
Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/eg3ZOf4.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on May 03, 2023, 07:12:42 PM
Hi Gary,
The wheels look great.
Hopefully they'll take the weight of the Taube OK.
It's good that wheels are being produced now to replace kit supplied parts.
'Copper State Models', 'Proper Plane', 'GasPatch' and of course 'Steve Robson',

Mike
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PJ Fisher on May 03, 2023, 10:49:19 PM
those look killer
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Borsos on May 04, 2023, 02:26:13 AM
Those printed wheels will look fantastic and are a great improvement over the (very nice) kit parts.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 06, 2023, 04:51:38 AM
After adding the horizontal stabilizer to the tail (which was an extremely tight fit!) I decided to rig up most of the aft section before putting the wings on. I'm using different types of turnbuckles - etched ones from RB productions, and both resin & metal ones from Gaspatch. Albion Alloys 0.5mm tubing is also handy for some of the fasteners. Also using EZ-Line along with 2-pound fishing line for various elements of the rigging. The copper clips add a nice amount of tension to the lines before securing with cyano.

My first WnW kit was the Fe2b, which had a lot of rigging, but it seemed straightforward and not as daunting as this Taube. This will be a long journey for me. Cheers!

(https://i.imgur.com/Zchv5I7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iP9EmPd.jpg)

Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on May 06, 2023, 05:54:45 AM
Fab Gary,

Looks like you need to think this one through rather than shake n’ bake!

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RAGIII on May 06, 2023, 06:32:29 AM
Incredible rigging work! Looks outstanding!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: KiwiZac on May 06, 2023, 09:30:06 AM
Your rigging is beautiful Gary, it looks just like the real thing. Magnificent work and I'm taking notes!
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on May 06, 2023, 07:27:57 PM
Great start to the rigging Gary. It must be incredibly complex if the FE2b was relatively straightforward.

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Tim Mixon on May 07, 2023, 01:45:24 AM
Oh my! That is just gorgeous.  Nice rigging and paintwork. 
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: macsporran on May 07, 2023, 06:00:22 PM
Staggering work, Gary. Magnificent build.
Sandy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on May 09, 2023, 05:55:06 PM
You are cruising, Gary. Thet tail rigging looks great. But I agree with you, rigging the FE2b was a breeze compared to this one ;)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: FAf on May 09, 2023, 08:03:45 PM
Impressive rigging details! Good job with the PE.
/Fredrik
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 13, 2023, 03:46:06 AM
Thanks to all for the comments which are always appreciated!

Work continues on the rigging which is quite painstaking. Figuring out a plan, carrying it out, then checking references as to where the turnbuckles actually were located as compared to reinforced cable ends...then redoing it all seems to be my flawed method. I really need to learn a better approach. My wife jokingly referred to me a "Whingey McWhinge-face" when I aired my discontent recently  ::).

And those decals on the wings have tiny cracks in them. Not easily noticeable, but under magnification they are quite prominent. Makes a case for using masks and painting them on for those who have the wherewithal.

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/pdI90Ts.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RAGIII on May 13, 2023, 03:49:02 AM
In the end your "Method" of rigging seems to be working  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on May 13, 2023, 08:32:57 AM
Gary that's beautiful, I wish my rigging would look as flawed as yours! Don't lose any sleep over the decals, if they look good to the naked eye they are good. I have given up worrying what close up pictures make my models look like. I found it was ruining my enjoyment. If I could produce something as beautiful as this I would be very happy!

Having a bit of a whinge when things go wrong is all part of the hobby isn't it? :)

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on May 13, 2023, 10:38:48 AM
Amazing progress. McWhingey face approved results!

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on May 13, 2023, 06:43:07 PM
Hi Gary,
It's really coming together now,

Mike
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Boch on May 13, 2023, 11:25:57 PM
Amazing. Fantastic  ;D. Keep going, cant wait final results.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Borsos on May 14, 2023, 04:50:27 AM
That’s a Great Leap Forward! Now it already looks like a Dove…
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 15, 2023, 07:53:05 AM
Thanks again, gents! As I've persevered with the rigging, it has got a bit easier. Utmost care is needed not to break off some of the delicate extremities of the model since this thing takes up a lot of room on the bench. I ended up temporarily clipping the kit wheels to the axles just so that the claw-brake and undercarriage didn't get bumped (already repaired it once). Now that the upper petrol tank is installed in it's superstructure I can't flip the model as easily onto it's back as before.

There is a small vent pipe from the engine coolant tank that I made from brass tubing and lead line. The exhaust manifold attaches to the engine at a slightly upward angle, so this has to be set before the end of the exhaust pipe can be glued to position straight down. I did this before finishing it, prying it off to add the chipped metal and rusty pastels afterward. I also rubbed some Uschi metal polishing powder "Iron Type" on to the tail end of it. Getting closer to the finish line.

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/5m8sng5.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IRG9ROI.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/uZjhKjE.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/OGqRYCh.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on May 15, 2023, 09:49:25 AM
Certainly is looking more and more the part! Great work

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on May 15, 2023, 04:39:03 PM
Looks overall fantastic. I like the look of the exhaust especially. And yes, be careful with those rigging outposts on the wing tips. I managed to break one of those when builing this kit  ;)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on May 15, 2023, 05:05:58 PM
Super Gary!

It seems a lot more complex than the others, but it’s definitely worth it!

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 17, 2023, 06:27:56 AM
Thanks again, Gents.

Super Gary!

It seems a lot more complex than the others, but it’s definitely worth it!

Guy

Yes Guy - this build has taxed me to the utmost, and is by far the most challenging WnW kit I've attempted by far. And I've previously built 18 of them. And it had to get one last kick at me, although I blame myself (and it wasn't a WnW part that I had trouble with!). Having the CSM wheels just press-fit onto the axles, at the very end of weathering I decided to cement them in place. Foolishly adding tiny drop of cyano to the axle, I slid the first wheel on....but it didn't go all the way completely before the cyano set. So I pressed too hard on it...and broke some spokes. Silly me. Those things are quite delicate.

Luckily I had a couple of spare sets of the CS M 810 X 125 wheels, but to have to replace it was a real annoyance. But I have to admit, as it is close to being finished I'm happy to have made the journey - it has an interesting steampunk look to it  ;)

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/FNeI8Ef.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on May 17, 2023, 07:07:15 AM
Steam Punk ;D is a great description Gary!

Yep, I feel your pain - I can’t recall a model that I sailed through without some or other cock up along the way..  :P

Looks great though,


Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on May 17, 2023, 07:24:37 AM
Really beautiful work Gary, glad you had a spare wheel after breaking a few spokes in the CA mishap. I imagine we can all identify with that sort of accident.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing the finished model photographs. I have taken many notes on your painting and weathering techniques from this thread as well as your book.

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RAGIII on May 17, 2023, 07:52:50 AM
Outstanding rigging work Gary! It is funny but the rigging on this, Fokker E types, and MS N's scare Me more than pushers! Your overall work is Awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 17, 2023, 08:33:43 AM
Guy, Richie and Rick - thanks for following the build, and sharing your thoughts along the way.

Really beautiful work Gary, glad you had a spare wheel after breaking a few spokes in the CA mishap. I imagine we can all identify with that sort of accident.

I'm very much looking forward to seeing the finished model photographs. I have taken many notes on your painting and weathering techniques from this thread as well as your book.

Richie

Richie - I hope to get a few photos posted soon in the "Completed" section, but here's a couple I took before the wheel incident with that CSM figure I painted up for it.

Cheers,
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/rZeGcx1.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/n8yzJil.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: kensar on May 17, 2023, 09:20:20 PM
Excellent work, Gary.  Pity about the wheel, but things like that happen.  At least those wheels are reasonably priced.  I think they are a deal considering the detail on them.
Your overall weathering looks very realistic and this model certainly has the detail to catch one's eye.  And, as always, your figure is superb.  I'm quite envious about how well you do them.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on May 17, 2023, 09:22:09 PM
Super Gary!

The figure is excellently too. Do you display them at home? I’m always curious to see how people store/ display their models, they’re not that small!

Guy
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on May 17, 2023, 10:40:22 PM
Incredible work!! I've made less use of cyano these days and more use of 5 minute epoxy glue for the exact reason you encountered! I'm old but I can spare 5 minutes....

Steve
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 18, 2023, 03:49:54 AM
Excellent work, Gary.  Pity about the wheel, but things like that happen.  At least those wheels are reasonably priced.  I think they are a deal considering the detail on them.
Your overall weathering looks very realistic and this model certainly has the detail to catch one's eye.  And, as always, your figure is superb.  I'm quite envious about how well you do them.

Thanks Ken - I do love doing the figures as they always add some life and size-prospective to a subject  :)
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 18, 2023, 03:52:11 AM
Super Gary!

The figure is excellently too. Do you display them at home? I’m always curious to see how people store/ display their models, they’re not that small!

Guy

Well Guy, you ask a very good question. A large enjoyment of this hobby for me is to admire the completed model, and so display holds a high priority. At the end of every project, the newly finished piece gets a place of honour in our library where my wife got a battery-powered display lamp to illuminate it nicely. It stays there until the next model is built.

In my model room in the basement I have a large display case that was acquired years ago from a jewelry shop in town. Although it's full of all sorts of projects, I slowly purge the older models into storage or give them away.

I also have a couple of Ikea showcases, which again are getting full! I've also got a friend currently making me small round bases for the aircraft, and am about halfway through placing them on these allowing a figure or two to go along with each one.

Cheers!
Gary

(https://i.imgur.com/MmjjuGg.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/ea3n4Gc.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/gGs7dFU.jpg)
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RAGIII on May 18, 2023, 04:00:28 AM
Those cases are Fabulous, as are the Models inside!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Rookie on May 18, 2023, 05:08:36 AM
Gary,

Thanks for giving us a tour in your great museum!

I am very, very, very, very jealous....

 :(

Willem
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Gisbod on May 18, 2023, 05:52:35 AM
Fabulous Gary!

That’s really inspired me, thanks  ;D

Guy

Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: RichieW on May 18, 2023, 06:56:37 AM
What a great way to show your work. I have no display space at all, I dream of having a space like that!

Richie
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on May 18, 2023, 06:43:32 PM
Hi Gary,
Excellent 'Dove' and figures.
Also your display storage couldn't be better.
Way to go  :D

Mike
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: PrzemoL on May 18, 2023, 07:41:09 PM
Gorgeous Taube. Gary. But I envy you those spatious display cabinets. I wish I had a space for something like this...
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: kensar on May 18, 2023, 09:23:41 PM
Great looking displays, Gary.  I see you seem to have a preference for German aircraft?
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Borsos on May 18, 2023, 10:48:29 PM
A display cabinet to be very proud of!
And interesting to read how difficult the Taube kit is. I bought it when released but never have felt that feeling to start it yet. But how large the challenges might be, you did a great job on it.
Andreas
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 19, 2023, 01:46:21 AM
Hi Gary,
Excellent 'Dove' and figures.
Also your display storage couldn't be better.
Way to go  :D

Mike

Thanks for the kind words, Mike. You'd asked previously about the resin wheels supporting the weight of the kit. I did actually measure this once the kit was built, and the two wheels support a total of 74 grams - so no problem there. I've also seen where modellers have thought to put stronger mono-filament rigging on the tops of the wings so that they don't sag, but found that the way the wings are solidly attached to the fuselage, I had no issues just using the stretchy EZ-Line with no droop on the wings at all.
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: gedmundson on May 19, 2023, 01:49:37 AM
Great looking displays, Gary.  I see you seem to have a preference for German aircraft?

Thanks Ken, and yes - I do have a bias in that regard just looking at the collection in general. Perhaps that "Blue Max" film I saw at a tender age made an impression  ;)
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: Mike Norris (UK) on May 19, 2023, 01:50:10 AM
Hi Gary,
Thanks, that's good information for me and others tackling this model,

Mike
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: KiwiZac on May 20, 2023, 10:51:01 AM
What magnificent displays! Thank you so much for sharing the photos.
Title: Re: WnW 1/32 Jeannin Stahltaube (1914)
Post by: pepperman42 on May 20, 2023, 11:08:42 PM
Great models in great display cases. The large one with all round viewing is particularly good with excellent lighting. Now, the book on the table beside the Taube means there may be a treacle sponge pudding somewhere in the house......