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Title: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on January 28, 2013, 12:57:24 AM
my next bash will be the sopwith pup, the plan is to build the plane on the box - i like the red cowl and the sopwith logo on the tail.

i have also got the hgw detail set for the kit and am keen to have a go at the wood grain decal you get with this set.

anyhow lets see how it goes.

thanks for looking

michael

(http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8071/8420431058_84e5df5127_c.jpg)

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup rnas
Post by: Epeeman on January 28, 2013, 01:49:14 AM
Good luck on you Pup build, Michael -

I'll be interested to see how this builds up and any potential pitfalls - I nearly ordered one from WNW last time.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup rnas
Post by: rhallinger on January 28, 2013, 03:16:35 AM
Excellent choice Michael!  That's the RNAS version I plan to do eventually, in honor of my mother, Betty.  I'll be watching your build with great interest!  Enjoy!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup rnas
Post by: Graham t on January 28, 2013, 05:09:36 AM
I have the RFC version to do so I will be watching!
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on January 28, 2013, 06:01:58 AM
   Michael,
The beginning of another OUTSTANDING project my friend. Looking forward to following along with the progress.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: lcarroll on January 28, 2013, 06:05:22 AM
Michael,
    Great choice, still the most enjoyable build I've ever done. I'm sure you will really enjoy this one, great subject, wonderful fit, and a pleasure to work on.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on January 28, 2013, 01:24:26 PM
Me too!! If I ever stop painting little Warhammer figures for my son I will start mine along side. Lindsay you in?

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on January 28, 2013, 01:30:39 PM
I have to agree with Lance on this one.  One of the most enjoyable builds I have done to date.  Everything fit perfectly, smooth construction, just a neat looking airplane.  I will be watching this unfold as well.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: LindsayT on January 28, 2013, 05:11:26 PM
Me too!! If I ever stop painting little Warhammer figures for my son I will start mine along side. Lindsay you in?

Steve

Yep, I got a Pup. Yep, I like the red cowling. Yep, I'd like to do it for a special Betty that's no longer with us.

So Michael, Steve, I'll let you guys go first and document your build in excruciating detail, if that's okay with you.

Looks like Des is running a Puppy mill here!

Lindsay
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on January 29, 2013, 12:49:46 AM
cheers guys  :)

Steve, Lindsay that sounds like a plan- lets go for it !

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on January 29, 2013, 09:09:20 AM
Maybe when all the pups are done Des can sponsor a "Pose Down"; with a special unbiased referee from WNW, reporting only to the championship committee to see which one is a true "Poser".  8)  There could even be a cage match with all the Biffs against the pups, winner takes all.  I digress.  Too much professional wrestling growing up.  :o

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on January 29, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
I like it!! - although I dont compete in WNW sanctioned events.......but I will attend... ;D

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 02, 2013, 01:55:24 AM
small update time...

while waiting for the oil paint to dry on the various cockpit parts i built the engine.

it just neeeds dirtying up a bit.
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3212_zps131930d2.jpg)
michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on February 02, 2013, 04:51:05 AM
Nice start. think I'll go downstairs and work on mine instead of shovelling more snow....

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 10, 2013, 08:32:51 PM
bit more work copleted on the interior i just need to get it all together now

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3230_zps18441b22.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3229_zpsb75fcc11.jpg)

cheers

michael

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: bobs_buckles on February 10, 2013, 08:43:07 PM
Very nice, Michael  ;)
Looking forward to the next update.
vB
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Epeeman on February 10, 2013, 08:54:50 PM
Good progress, Michael -

Your internal rigging looks excellent.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 10, 2013, 09:51:32 PM
cheers guys

i forgot to show the instrument panel

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3254_zpsd5ef9910.jpg)
michael

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 15, 2013, 04:20:46 AM
I have made up the kit seat belt and the hgw set

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3264_zps7dd67cd6.jpg)

i think i will use the hgw set

cheers
michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: coyotemagic on February 15, 2013, 05:21:09 AM
The instrument panel and seat belts look fantastic, Michael.  I agree.  I'd go with the HGW set.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Des on February 15, 2013, 06:04:33 AM
Very nice instrument panel Michael, it is very well done. I always try and use HGW seat belts, they are a much better option to the PE belts.

Des.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on February 15, 2013, 06:13:52 AM
Hi Michael:

Outstanding work on the instrument panel.  Both seat belts look convincing.  Whichever one you use will certainly look the part in the cockpit.

Looking forward to more.

Best
Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on February 15, 2013, 09:01:05 AM
  Michael,
Aren't those HGW details the best. The  seatbelts look great my friend as does the build to date my friend. Looking forward to the next awesome update.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: uncletony on February 15, 2013, 11:41:41 PM
Interesting to see the difference in size between the kit parts and HGW...
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 16, 2013, 12:48:44 AM
cheers everyone  :)

yea the wnw set seems massive in comparison to the hgw set, in particular when placed on the seat.

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on February 16, 2013, 01:51:17 AM
The snow shovelling at YYZ has ended. Nice work. The i/p and belts look great. Im surprised at the size difference as well. Im still trying to get away from little space men (warhammer) but maybe this weekend will see me back at the Pup.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on February 16, 2013, 03:22:33 AM
The snow shovelling at YYZ has ended.

YYZ?  Is that Winnipeg?

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on February 16, 2013, 08:14:36 AM
Toronto Pearson
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on February 17, 2013, 03:41:55 AM
Toronto Pearson
I should have known, YWG is Winnepeg!  IIRC.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on February 17, 2013, 09:24:10 AM
Very good - but what is YQR? - no googling.....
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: lcarroll on February 17, 2013, 10:14:29 AM
Very good - but what is YQR? - no googling.....

Jeez Steve, good to know nothing has changed since my Ticket expired; Controllers are still "all questions!!" ;) ;)
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: LindsayT on February 17, 2013, 11:58:07 AM
Very good - but what is YQR? - no googling.....

Ooh! Ooh! Pick me! The Saskie!

There's your hint... ;)

LT
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 17, 2013, 11:37:20 PM
got the cockpit completed  :)

i just hope i can get it fitted and the two halves together without any major issues!

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3285_zps1ec3a28b.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3283_zps4866cbf4.jpg)

cheers
michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: rhallinger on February 18, 2013, 12:09:34 AM
Looking good Michael!  When i did mine, I made sure there was nothing sticking out beyond the edges of the side frames, and I very gently and lightly sanded the exterior sides of the frames.  Also take note of the bottom wing/fuselage fit issue noted by Des in his build log on the main site.  I test fit all of this and lightly sanded edges before gluing, and had no problems, thanks to Des's forewarning.

You're moving along nicely.  Keep up the good work!

Regaprds,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on February 18, 2013, 02:00:57 AM
Very good!! Will you leave the cabane strut painting until after the fuselage is together?...and the Saskie has the advantage -  YQR is The Queen's City Regina.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 18, 2013, 04:16:57 AM
Steve,

yea i will paint the struts later, that is if i ever get the thing closed up.

it's giving me no end of grief, i need more hands i think.

gonna put it away for the day and see if tomorrow brings me better luck  ;)

cheers
michael

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: rhallinger on February 18, 2013, 06:12:43 AM
Hi Michael.  When I enlarge your cockpit photos, I think I can see a potential source of fit problems. Your PE turnbuckles for the cockpit rigging appear to be affixed to the outside of the frame corners. While they look great, there may not be sufficient clearance to allow the fuselage halves to close with those parts on the outside of the frames. You may need to drill holes in the inside corners of thr frames to accommodate the turnbuckles. I hope I'm wrong, because it will mean extra work for you. Good luck!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on February 18, 2013, 07:36:42 AM
Hello Michael:

I scoped out your pictures as well, and I would have to agree with Bob.  It appears as if your problems are the turnbuckles outboard of the framework.  If you can move them inboard, or as Bob recommended, file a recess in each fuselage half, I think you will be okay and on the road to buttoning it up.  WNW tolerances are pretty tight and any variations can and will result in fit problems.

Good Luck

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 19, 2013, 01:41:40 AM
Bob and Mark you are both spot on it was the hgw turnbuckles causing the problem even though they are paper thin.

i might have read the drawing for them wrong (it would not be the first time :-[)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3291_zpse720a74c.jpg)

anyhow i did not want to start cutting into the fuselage halfs knowing me that would have only gone one way.
so all that was left was to remove the turnbucles and get it closed up.

i managed to get some of the bracing done with fishing line not that much will be visible when completed. at least i hope so  ;)

no fun removing work that took a while to do but there you go i suppose. we live and learn

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3290_zps9935fa1d.jpg)



(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3288_zps74bfbe55.jpg)

cheers
michael



Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: rhallinger on February 19, 2013, 08:18:33 AM
Glad to see you got her closed up Michael!  In my experience, once you have the fuselage cockpit top on, very little is visible inside unless you shine a flashlight directly in.  I think you will be fine. :)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on February 19, 2013, 08:59:29 AM
Sorry you had to remove the turnbuckles but thanx for the heads up. Shows how close the tolerances are on these kits.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on February 20, 2013, 12:33:59 AM
Hello Michael:

Glad that it worked out for you.   I had that problem on my SE5a.  The first WNW kit I did and it was frustrating to pull out the PE bracing, scrape and put it back in.  As has been mentioned, once buttoned up a lot of the work becomes "You can't see it, but I know it's there".  I try to simplify the things that are barely visible and spend time on other things.

Good job and looking forward to more.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on February 20, 2013, 01:54:45 AM
cheers guys  :)

yea no point getting worked up about something that will hardly be seen.

i got the ones that might be visible fitted in and that will do for me.

the hgw super detail has been a bit of a waste of money so far apart from the seat belts.

cheers

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 11, 2013, 11:59:54 PM
Been a while since i had a update, so here goes...

mixed fortunes realy i had a go at shading underneath the wings with pastels and made a bit of a horlicks of it to be honest  :(

then noticed that the decal on the left flap is way off where it should be so double  :( :o

sordid details following..

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3352_zps412e2f3b.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3348_zpsd505123f.jpg)

my wife made this helpfull comment "you've made a proper mess of that" - so there you go ;)

on the plus side i am quite pleased with fuselage side of things, the wood grain decal that came with the hgw detail set went on not too bad.
i think i had a bit of beginners luck there!
though as some have said they are very fragile indeed.

And like most who build the pup i have had to sand quite a lot off the underside of the cockpit floor to allow it to fit into the lower wing

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3331_zps00bc5d7a.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3333_zps96cf1efd.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3332_zpsa23f18d0.jpg)

next up is the tail section...

cheers

michael

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on March 12, 2013, 02:15:58 AM
The underwing pastels look pretty good to me Michael! 

I always struggle to get the aileron decals to match.  Could you set the ailerons deflected, when you finish the assembly?  This would detract from any decal mis-alignment.  Does the control stick have any deflection?
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Epeeman on March 12, 2013, 02:28:39 AM
Hello, Michael -

If honest, I struggled to see where the decal was off centre.   I don't think anybody would really notice and have made exactly the same mistake myself on previous builds.  Also, I really don't think the under wing shading looks that bad either.

I like the work you have done around the cockpit and especially the padding around the cockpit opening.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 12, 2013, 07:49:29 AM
The weathering on your fusilage looks spot on, great job.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: coyotemagic on March 12, 2013, 10:15:54 AM
Hello, Michael -

If honest, I struggled to see where the decal was off centre.   I don't think anybody would really notice and have made exactly the same mistake myself on previous builds.  Also, I really don't think the under wing shading looks that bad either.

I like the work you have done around the cockpit and especially the padding around the cockpit opening.

Regards

Dave
Besides, replacement ailerons were often used and the roundels were frequently mismatched.  At least that's the story I would use and it's based in fact.
Looks fantastic to me, Michael.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: lcarroll on March 12, 2013, 12:40:27 PM
Michael,
   I'd ignore the roundel issue; Bud's comment is not only true but totally plasible, replacement aileron installed! And the build is excellent, like Dave I am really impressed by the realism you've achieved on the leather coaming around the cockpit......beautiful.
Great little Kit isn't it?!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: RAGIII on March 12, 2013, 07:26:58 PM
I agree with the others, ignore the roundel. Your work on painting the fuselage looks terrific! The wood grain is effective and the leather padding is awesome!
RAGIII
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 12, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
I agree with the others, replacement parts were frequent and often used, not only roundels being off but the paint was often a different colour, you can get away with murder at times, but call it artistic licence.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Chris Johnson on March 12, 2013, 11:19:46 PM
Hey Michael! I'm lookin' but I don't see the decal mismatch. They look fine to me. Your pastel shading looks much better than my two attempts at it so you're well ahead of me on that learning curve. Keep up the good work. Your wife must believe in tough love!  ;D

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 13, 2013, 01:15:57 AM
cheers everyone for the kind words and encouragement  :) it means a lot

Bud - the aileron replacement story will do for me  ;)

Chris - you dont't know the half of it  ::)

cheers
michael

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 13, 2013, 01:17:39 AM
Lance as you say it's a fantastic little kit.

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: LindsayT on March 13, 2013, 12:49:01 PM
Nobody's said anything about that banged up cowl. That's the star of the show for me so far!  Is that silver colour chips (pencil, paint, etc.) on top of red base, or red on top of aluminum with the red scraped off to let the undercoat show through? Either way, it looks bang on to me.

Lindsay
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 14, 2013, 01:16:44 AM
Lindsay, thanks for the kind words  :)

it's the second option, silver undercoat then top coat of red and a light sanding till the silver shows through.

any sign of your pup Lindsay?

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on March 14, 2013, 01:29:09 AM
  Michael,
Outstanding works my friend. Very impressive shading and weathering.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: LindsayT on March 14, 2013, 11:44:58 AM
any sign of your pup Lindsay?

You know how most people come back to modelling after a few years (or decades) off because of kids, job, life, etc.? Yeah, that's me right now. In a particularly bad spot of job, school, wife's job, school, kid, thesis, and the like. Not the most fun right now. I've got wire wrapped around the control column like Des did, and a base coat for the wood grain. At least I won't have anything held up waiting for the oils to dry!

So right now this forum has to substitute for my ability to build. Thanks for providing the service, Michael!

Lindsay
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on March 14, 2013, 10:28:55 PM
Ditto for me. My build has stalled after painting the wood and oil paint staining. Michael yours looks great. Im following this to avoid some of the traps - looks like the floor situation is a constant although dry fitting mine seemed  to be ok.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on March 14, 2013, 10:31:36 PM
Hello Michael:

I have to agree with the sentiments already posted.  Outstanding work all around.  That aileron roundel, no biggie, like Bud said, replacement part mismatch, you can even say you planned it like that!  ;)

Your cowling weathering is pretty neat as is the cockpit coming.  I built this kit, and I don't recall any fit problems with the cockpit floor.  I had problems with the aileron roundel on mine.  On laterbuilds I put the aileron part on first and line up the rest to the aileron, seemed to work.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 15, 2013, 05:34:14 AM
Cheers Greg and Mark, your kind words are much appreciated  :)

Lindsay and Steve hope your pups go well, i know it sucks when real life gets in the way  >:(

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 23, 2013, 12:54:59 AM
Got the decals on and sealed in with a coat of gloss varnish

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3407_zps3aef73f8.jpg)

cheers
michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on March 25, 2013, 09:22:48 AM
Shaping up very nicely!!

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: kornbeef on March 25, 2013, 10:18:22 AM
In the words of Frank Spencer "MMMM Betty" (for those old and daft enough to remember Frank) ;)
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: rhallinger on March 25, 2013, 10:48:45 AM
Looking good Michael!  Your red fuselage front looks excellent. ;D  This is one of my favorite Pup schemes, as my mother's name was Betty. :)  Keep up the good work!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on March 25, 2013, 11:45:29 PM
   Michael,
She's looking awesomely great my friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 26, 2013, 01:20:43 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys  :)

Frank Spencer - there's a blast from the past  ;)

i tried to improve my photos by reducing the clutter around the model by using a sheet of card, looks like i need more light though.

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 26, 2013, 08:13:56 AM
Looking good Michael, nice scheme for the Pup.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Bluesfan on March 26, 2013, 11:37:52 PM
I love the look of this particular Pup, looking forward to seeing it done

Just a thought about photos: I found that with dark subjects ie. just such as you have here, a mostly dark British scheme, having a white background makes things very contrasty for most cameras and it's hard to bring out the details. Do you have any mid-tone cartridge paper or sheet? Grey or maybe neutral brown or grey, something like that? Absolutely right, about reducing the clutter

Cheers
Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 27, 2013, 12:35:11 AM
cheers for that Mark. would black card be ok to use?

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Bluesfan on March 27, 2013, 05:00:25 AM
Well I have tried that, but for me you start getting problems the other way ie. a typical camera may tend to overexpose the subject. To be honest personal taste also influences this and as ever you should experiment. I use a sheet of grey paper mostly.
And if you also have a photoeditor (many of which are cheap or even 'free', bundled with printers etc - apologies if you know all this!), adjusting contrast is pretty straightforward. And other factors like colour shift, eg. if you've shot under tungsten light. I try to use natural light from a window. A little bit difficult at the moment with the wintry weather we're having in the UK :(
Cheers, Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 27, 2013, 05:19:38 AM
cheers Mark  :) yep the weather is rotten  >:(

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on March 29, 2013, 09:40:03 PM
Top wing is on  :)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3421_zps70e5d2f3.jpg)

i just need to get all them wires to the right place  :o that should be fun !

cheers
michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on March 29, 2013, 10:39:41 PM
Looking good now Michael, you just need to give it a haircut now.  ::)

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 02, 2013, 01:31:44 AM
Haircut job done!

a million miles from a decent rigging job. :-[

my first serious bash at rigging and my poor eyes know it  ;)

i think i was improving as i went along but the jury's still out on that one.

what i struggled with was getting the line as tight as i would like

cutting the line neat as it came back through the brass sleve

and leaving tiny drops of ca on the brass sleves that then turned whie and i can't get off  >:(

pretty much every aspect of rigging then  :)



(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3443_zps0346d359.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3447_zps04f67381.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3446_zpsac3b2ba1.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3440_zps0789c4f1.jpg)

any tips always welcome  ;)

thanks for looking

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Epeeman on April 02, 2013, 01:37:59 AM
Coming along nicely, Michael.

I meant to ask earlier, how did you get on with the lower wing installation?  I understand from some threads I've read that this seems to be an area of tricky fit?

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: dirk on April 02, 2013, 07:58:45 AM
Hi Michael,

beautiful work, especially on the weathering on the fuselage. So sorry that I missed your work until now,

Dirk
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on April 02, 2013, 08:37:56 AM
Hi Michael;

Looking good now, as regards the rigging, if a you are using monofilament fishing line, to get a wire tight, use a pin heated in a candle flame and hold it about 1 to 2 mm from the line, the line should spring tight, but be careful or you will melt through the line, before you try on the model, try gluing a piece of line between some sprue with just a little slack in it and try the hot pin on that.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Chris Johnson on April 02, 2013, 09:37:12 AM
You're doing great work with the rigging Michael.

To pull lines taut, I use forceps which I clip onto the excess piece of line. I can easily apply tension by gently pulling the forceps or allowing it to hang down so the weight of the tool applies the tension.

I clip my excess line with a cuticle clipper. As it's like pliers, it works very well.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 02, 2013, 06:52:48 PM
Thanks for the kind words and tips everyone i will take them onboard  :)

Dave - yea i had problems with the fitting of the wing/cockpit area, just some sanding down though nothing real major.

Pete that to me sounds a scary procedure - my face would be a picture if i melted the rigging  :'( you would think the ilne would expand when hot, but i never was any good at science. cheers Pete  :)

cheers

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on April 02, 2013, 11:53:38 PM
  Michael,
Any of the above mentioned techniques should work well my friend. That being said you could default to drilling through the lower wing and pulling the thread through. You can hold the line by hand or weight until secured with super glue. The downside is the repairs require after.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: coyotemagic on April 03, 2013, 02:29:18 AM
I think your rigging looks great, Michael!  Tight enough, to my eye.  Pete's suggestion about using heat is the way I'd go about tightening up any sagging lines, if you really feel it's necessary.  I use wooden matches, though.  Probably a bit more risky in tight spaces.  I light a match then blow it out.  While it is still smoking, I hold the match under the line and and let the smoke drift up to the line.  Not too close.  I use the smoke to indicate where the heat is going.  You have to use a new match for each line you are doing.  Whichever method you use, like Pete said, experiment first.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on April 03, 2013, 09:24:08 PM
Bud, if you prefer the wooden match method, you could always re-light the match from a candle.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Des on April 03, 2013, 09:39:30 PM
I find one of the easiest ways to tension the lines is to use a small soldering iron. Let the soldering iron get nice and hot then hold it under the line you want to tension, move the iron up and down the line a few times being very careful not to touch the line, a few seconds is all that is needed. Dont hold the soldering iron in one spot either, it will melt the line very quickly. A little bit of practice and you will find that adding tension to a slack line is very simple.

Des.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Jan K on April 03, 2013, 10:16:27 PM
Nice work. I hope the ailerons are not fixed yet, they are supposed to work opposite way - one side up, the other side down.
(Excuse my clumsy English, please.)

Jan
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 04, 2013, 01:22:05 AM
Cheers Jan

woops i did not know that about the ailerons  :-[

but no worries i fixed them on with fuse wire, so they can be put right  :)

and your English is perfect no need for excuses

many thanks

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on April 04, 2013, 06:33:02 AM
The rigging looks very consistant and taut. I light a toothpick to tighten lines but Des' idea sounds the best - most control and consistant heat.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Jan K on April 05, 2013, 09:29:12 AM
I find one of the easiest ways to tension the lines is to use a small soldering iron. Let the soldering iron get nice and hot then hold it under the line you want to tension, move the iron up and down the line a few times being very careful not to touch the line, a few seconds is all that is needed. Dont hold the soldering iron in one spot either, it will melt the line very quickly. A little bit of practice and you will find that adding tension to a slack line is very simple.

Des.

I use a regular soldering gun, it seems to be an easy way to me. Just be careful to approach the line from the right side -  as the line tightens quite fast it is quite easy to underestimate the distance and to destroy the line by touching it with the gun tip.
(shrinking shown by the blue arrow)
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on April 05, 2013, 11:56:54 PM
I have to agree with Jan, using the hot pin method I always heat the underside of the line, however reading the method Des uses, I think I might give that a try.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Chris Johnson on April 06, 2013, 09:11:55 AM
I use a miniature soldering iron too, but be careful as it's easy to carelessly touch the barrel on a wing with dire results.

(http://i331.photobucket.com/albums/l474/ChrisJohnson56/Misc/SE5a-Oops_zpsb79c71c7.jpg)

That 'oops' took some fixin'!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Des on April 06, 2013, 03:05:46 PM
As we get older the word ''oops''  pops up a lot more frequently during our builds.

Des.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on April 06, 2013, 05:54:19 PM
"Oops" is a word I may use on here to be polite, but in reality the words used at those special "moments" during the build are ones I may not use here!!
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 06, 2013, 06:59:20 PM
Cheers for all the tips on tightening slack lines, plenty of food for thought there  :)

as for swear words i think i've invented a few  :)

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 06, 2013, 10:59:01 PM
Not got much done this week, tail plane on and oil staining to the underside.
(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3452_zps5f9fa762.jpg)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3454_zps8918c755.jpg)

cheers

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: drdave on April 06, 2013, 11:15:28 PM
ooh I like the staining
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: LindsayT on April 06, 2013, 11:25:02 PM
Wow, Michael, that really looks fantastic. You're doing a great job with her. Keep it coming!

Lindsay
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Chris Johnson on April 07, 2013, 01:48:35 AM
Okay Michael, I want a full report on how you did that oil staining so I can try and emulate your technique. It looks excellent!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on April 07, 2013, 02:58:44 AM
   Michael,
Now that's some awesome weathering my friend. Tell us your technique please!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: coyotemagic on April 07, 2013, 04:01:08 AM
Your weathering and oil staining are absolutely superb, Michael.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Whiteknuckles on April 07, 2013, 09:42:22 AM
Great build so far Michael and generating lots of very useful tips!
I like the staining effect, she looks suitably mucky ;)

Andrew
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: lcarroll on April 07, 2013, 11:42:43 AM

Michael,
   You can add me to the list of those requesting details on how you did the oil staining. It's supurb!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 07, 2013, 06:36:16 PM
Many thanks guys for the kind words  :)

I got that oil stain effect by pure accident.

i made an oil wash of burnt umber for the staining and brushed it on but it just looked streaky and horrible.

So while i was playing around with it trying to get it to look better i stippled the wash with my brush, i thought that looks ok so i stippled all of the area i had put the wash on.

And that is pretty much it i just played about with it till i was happy with it . Like i say pure accident but a nice one for a change  ;)

thanks for looking

michael

Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: rhallinger on April 07, 2013, 09:23:00 PM
Well done Michael!  She looks all the part. ;D  As others have noted, your weathering is excellent.  Thanks for the tip, fortuitous or not!  Keep up the fine work.  She'll be lovely when completed. :D

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: lcarroll on April 08, 2013, 12:17:47 AM
Thanks Michael, I'll be adding that little trick to my tickle trunk for certain.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Rizzo on April 08, 2013, 01:50:27 AM
Fantastic effects you've achieved on this, it looks very realistic. I'll be trying to copy what you've done with the oil staining.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on April 09, 2013, 03:14:39 AM
Nice grotty underside.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on April 09, 2013, 03:35:06 AM
Hello Michael:

This is coming along nicely.  I like the Betty Scheme and yours is looking the part.  Great job on the staining.  It might be too late, but one more method for tightening lines is the old hair drier.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 18, 2013, 02:46:15 AM
Well the pup is finished  :)

a bit rough around the edges with plenty of room for improvement  ;)

many thanks to all who have contributed to the build with help, advice and tips etc...

the super detail set was a bit of a waste of money for me, though the wood decal is a nice addition.

i will post some pictures of betty in the completed section when i finish work on the base i'm building for her.

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3473_zpsa3c2cf81.jpg) (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/bullgill67/media/DSCF3473_zpsa3c2cf81.jpg.html)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3470_zps1d64b9b4.jpg) (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/bullgill67/media/DSCF3470_zps1d64b9b4.jpg.html)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3468_zps92cfa3a7.jpg) (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/bullgill67/media/DSCF3468_zps92cfa3a7.jpg.html)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3466_zps7c1dd8f7.jpg) (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/bullgill67/media/DSCF3466_zps7c1dd8f7.jpg.html)

(http://i1049.photobucket.com/albums/s383/bullgill67/DSCF3493_zps60bca993.jpg) (http://s1049.photobucket.com/user/bullgill67/media/DSCF3493_zps60bca993.jpg.html)

cheers

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: GAJouette on April 18, 2013, 03:33:50 AM
   Michael,
Outstanding Pup my friend. One thing though if she has rough edges they're invisible. Congratulations and Well Done.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: coyotemagic on April 18, 2013, 04:17:30 AM
Truly stunning, Michael!  My favorite Pup scheme and you pulled it off brilliantly.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: lcarroll on April 18, 2013, 07:47:33 AM
Very nicely done Michael. I did a Pup in a nearly identical scheme (Baby Mine with a red cowl) and really like your choice. Supurb weathering, I like this one a lot!
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Chris Johnson on April 18, 2013, 08:15:43 AM
She's a real beauty Michael. Your rib shading on the tail is superb!

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Vickers on April 18, 2013, 09:22:23 AM
Your Pup looks marvelous, Michael.  Very nice weathering and finish, it truly emulates a plane in service. Congratualtions on your great build!
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: pepperman42 on April 18, 2013, 09:48:53 AM
She looks perfect!! Nice paint and weathering on her. Wish I could get to mine.

Steve
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: LindsayT on April 18, 2013, 10:38:12 AM
Beautifully done, Michael. Congratulations on a great build.

Lindsay
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: rhallinger on April 18, 2013, 12:14:46 PM
Gorgeous Pup Michael, simply gorgeous!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: PrzemoL on April 18, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
What a lovely Pup! And in my favourite "Betty" disguise. Fine finish, weathering and overall impression. Congratulations!
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: RAGIII on April 18, 2013, 11:20:49 PM
Michael,
What can I say that no one else has already stated? Sorry I missed the build sequence, the results are outstanding!
RAGIII
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: michael on April 18, 2013, 11:41:44 PM
Many thanks for the kind words everyone it means a lot  :)

cheers

michael
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Pete Nottingham on April 19, 2013, 12:04:53 AM
Beautiful Pup Michael, great job, well done.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: mgunns on April 19, 2013, 12:39:22 AM
Hello Michael:

This really turned out nice.  I like how you did the shading on the upper surfaces of the wings.  Very nice.  I know you like 'em dirty and you achieved that without overdoing it, again very nice.
Overall an oustanding build.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: wnw sopwith pup RNAS
Post by: Epeeman on April 19, 2013, 02:29:03 AM
Well done, Michael - glad you got it together - looks great.

Regards

Dave