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Title: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: cduckworth on December 02, 2022, 11:16:23 PM
Recently looked in my cabinet of finished 1/48 WWI models and noticed several pieces of EZ Line had broke.  Some of these builds are well over 25 years old.  Thinking back I’d probably attached them with thin ACC glue.  Hate to think about redoing all the rigging but going back to using fly fishing line.  I posted this information on Britmodeler and several others commented they’d experienced the same issue.  So…what was a quick rigging method turned out ‘not so’ great.
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: macsporran on December 03, 2022, 12:40:29 AM
I noticed your posts in both places, Charlie, and the replies and thanked my stars that I've never used the stuff, having tried it unsuccessfully a few times.
A lot of modellers here use it though and I'd think it essential to tension many proprietary turnbuckles.
Be interested in any feedback from Bob etc.
Sandy
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: KiwiZac on December 03, 2022, 09:14:35 AM
I've only used EZ line so I'm interested to see what happens with my builds - I'd noticed failures on one but put it down to feline-induced damage.
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: Brad Cancian on December 04, 2022, 06:10:14 AM
My experience with EZ line is similar; I used it on some of my earlier builds (~10-15 years ago). Over time, even without exposure to direct sunlight, it fades and stops having the ability to 'bounce back' to being taught if stretched or poked. It also becomes more brittle. Accordingly, I have to be a bit more careful with these models when I move or transport them. This is why I am glad I stopped using EZ line some years back; my builds in the last 10 years or so have used other brands that have held up better (so far).

Cheers,

Brad
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: KiwiZac on December 04, 2022, 08:24:30 AM
It wasn't until this thread that I realised the changing colour of my unused thread may hint at a problem...
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: WD on December 26, 2022, 12:14:15 AM
Any elastic will break down over time. Any of it. My underwear is a prime example. ;) ;)

Warren
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: macsporran on December 26, 2022, 09:54:30 AM
Any elastic will break down over time. Any of it. My underwear is a prime example. ;) ;)

Warren

Is that not less to do with the passage of time and more to do with exposure to noxious fumes and substances, Warren? 🤔
Sandy
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: Alexis on December 27, 2022, 10:17:33 PM
Interesting , i don't seem to have that issue with my underwear , just saying .....

I have only used ez-line a few times , I rather use mono line to be honest


Alexis
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: macsporran on December 27, 2022, 10:26:59 PM
I rather use mono line to be honest
Alexis

.... in the aforesaid underwear?
S
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: rhwinter on December 28, 2022, 02:10:09 AM
I rather use mono line to be honest
Alexis

.... in the aforesaid underwear?
S

Well, yes, I do, wearing string —— NO, that's OFF TOPIC!!
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: Dirigible-Al on December 28, 2022, 04:58:01 AM
Leave an elastic band outside in your garden and it will break down in not much time at all yet the Ezline I have not used is no different to what it was about a decade ago when I bought it. I do wonder what can be done to prevent it deteriorating or where best to put it. I find EZ line very useful and will still use it but that said I use mono more because it adds strength and rigidity.
Alan
 
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: pepperman42 on December 28, 2022, 05:00:54 AM
My underwear has suffered " waist girth failure" on occasion. Deadly if you're mid stride in the Seniors Waddle-athon

Steve 
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: WD on December 29, 2022, 06:31:39 AM
Warning! Warning! Warning Will Robinson!  Thread drift detected!!!  ::) ;)

Warren
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: Dirigible-Al on December 30, 2022, 03:50:25 AM
I think you guys with underwear problems should re rig your underpants with mono.
Alan
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: RAGIII on December 30, 2022, 04:39:34 AM
Warning! Warning! Warning Will Robinson!  Thread drift detected!!!  ::) ;)

Warren

Yes Warren, you are correct. I remember someone on "The List", years ago warning of elastic rigging breaking and Destroying a whole wing cellule. Perhaps Shane Weir? Because of that warning I stayed away and stuck to Mono.
RAGIII
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: lcarroll on December 31, 2022, 12:21:19 AM
   I've used EZ Line and thus far no problems (Some is at least 15 years old) I only use it where mono, if taut, distorts the structure, as on lattice frames or similar.
Since discovering "Modelkasten" 5 or more years ago I've switched to it except in very rare cases. Has anyone experienced or heard of similar problems with it?
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: WD on January 01, 2023, 11:59:54 PM
Warning! Warning! Warning Will Robinson!  Thread drift detected!!!  ::) ;)

Warren

Yes Warren, you are correct. I remember someone on "The List", years ago warning of elastic rigging breaking and Destroying a whole wing cellule. Perhaps Shane Weir? Because of that warning I stayed away and stuck to Mono.
RAGIII

Rick, I want to say I remember that too, ergo why I've stayed away.

Warren
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: RAGIII on January 02, 2023, 01:26:03 AM
Warning! Warning! Warning Will Robinson!  Thread drift detected!!!  ::) ;)

Warren

Yes Warren, you are correct. I remember someone on "The List", years ago warning of elastic rigging breaking and Destroying a whole wing cellule. Perhaps Shane Weir? Because of that warning I stayed away and stuck to Mono.
RAGIII



Rick, I want to say I remember that too, ergo why I've stayed away.

Warren

Yep! By the way the Joke Portion of Your Post hit Me when I woke up in the Middle of the Night/Early Morning    :o My Mind is getting Old.
RAGIII
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: Big Sky Modeler on January 02, 2023, 08:08:35 AM
After reading these posts awhile back I switched to Infini ship and aero rigging because it is made from Lycra and should not deteriorate like elastic, yet it is stretchable like the EZ line.  I should have known, because I have tied flies (for fishing) for many years and have noticed the same thing.  When using strands of rubber elastic for legs they can break down and crumble after a while, but the legs made from Lycra strands are as good a new and I have never had any problems with them.

Anyone else using Infini?
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: WD on January 04, 2023, 09:38:46 AM
Anyone else using Infini?

No, but I'd like to. From where are you sourcing it?

Warren
Who is always up to try new and better rigging since I'm still so unskilled/new at it.
nd: coffee
nr: Winged Victory by Victor Maslin Yeates
nb: Eduard Nieuport 17, 1/72nd

PS: Rick, remember when we used to do the above on "The List"?
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: RAGIII on January 04, 2023, 10:20:23 AM
Anyone else using Infini?

No, but I'd like to. From where are you sourcing it?

Warren
Who is always up to try new and better rigging since I'm still so unskilled/new at it.
nd: coffee
nr: Winged Victory by Victor Maslin Yeates
nb: Eduard Nieuport 17, 1/72nd

PS: Rick, remember when we used to do the above on "The List"?

Yep  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: Big Sky Modeler on January 04, 2023, 11:14:52 AM
Quote
[No, but I'd like to. From where are you sourcing it?]

WD,

There are several places that carry Infini rigging.

https://spruebrothers.com/search-results-page?q=infini%20rigging

https://hobbyworld-usa.com/en/1543-infini-model-rigging

I ordered mine from Hobbyworld-USA since they have cheap shipping.
Title: Re: EZ line breaking down after several years
Post by: WD on January 05, 2023, 02:50:10 AM
Thanks Big Sky!

Warren