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Title: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 08, 2013, 09:32:32 AM
Started this one the other day, has been in my stash for a year and a bit.  Although I have newer models, I have been requested to build this, so it will be done in parallel with other builds.

I made the seat, using various brown tones in acrylic coated in oil, and a deep red leather seat (for a change from brown!)

I have prepared the propeller base coat prior to masking for the laminations.  I am building the variant on the box art.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/rolandbox_zps682c5766.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/seat1_zps56947ef5.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/seat2_zps71a1ee24.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/seat3_zps6972a973.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/seat4_zpsee1d4588.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/seat5_zpsca11808c.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Chris Johnson on January 08, 2013, 09:35:12 AM
Nice job on the seat Ian. You're going to enjoy this kit. It practically fell together for me.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: GAJouette on January 08, 2013, 10:40:05 AM
  Ian,
Excellent first progress my old friend. I 've the same too so I'll following closely.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: uncletony on January 08, 2013, 10:56:16 AM
The red cushion no doubt a souvenir from one of the local entertainment establishments ...

Looking very nice!
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: gcn on January 08, 2013, 07:17:15 PM
I like that wood grain, it stands up well to the macro lense.

I think this along with the LVG have been my favourite WNW build. It's just a shame there were so few schemes for ths aircraft as I dont see myself ever building another.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Whiteknuckles on January 08, 2013, 09:23:38 PM
Lovely work on the seat Ian, great wood tones.

Andrew
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on January 08, 2013, 11:46:40 PM
Hello Ian:

I have to echo the sentiments of the others here.  The seat is looking great.  The wood grain is superb!

Best

Mark
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: pepperman42 on January 09, 2013, 12:00:34 AM
Ditto. Great effect. Keep us posted.

Steve
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: lcarroll on January 09, 2013, 02:24:17 AM
Ian, 
This one has been "next up" for me for some time; keeps getting pushed back by all the neat releases of late. Nice work so far, and I'll be following your Build closely.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Vladimir Ziska on January 09, 2013, 03:20:18 AM
Hello Ian,

good choice, nice wood, but I'd try to better visualize leather. More darker.

Cheers,

Vladimir
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 09, 2013, 05:34:35 AM
Thank you for all the comments :)

Vladimir, you are correct about the leather - I chose to do this colour scheme to provide a bit of contrast.  I know it won't be historically accurate, but I am happy to stray from that, for my own satisfaction.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Des on January 09, 2013, 05:49:19 AM
The wood on your seat is axtremely well done and looks very realistic, and I quite like the red cushion, looks classy.

Des
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 09, 2013, 06:06:14 AM
Thanks Des.  The wood effect was experimental, especially on the back as this will hardly be seen.  I sprayed a base sand coloured coat, then used a variety of brown shades of very thin acrylic streaked on lightly to try and get a multi-tonal effect like a sheet of ply.  I used a light oil colour to make grain over, so as not to lose the effect.   
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: michael on January 09, 2013, 07:31:22 AM
fantastic seat!

michael
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 10, 2013, 10:14:03 AM
Painted the prop tonight. A slow process of masking the laminations individually with micromask tape, then painting the darker laminations.

A run over with some micromesh and oiled for grain effect.  This is now in the cupboard drying off for a few days before applying a couple of coats of (possibly tinted) klear.  I need to touch up the hub but not in too much detail as this will be covered by a spinner.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/prop1_zps358ccbd8.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/prop2_zps76d1cecb.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/prop3_zpse3fea240.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/prop4_zpsbef7003d.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: GAJouette on January 10, 2013, 11:15:29 AM
   Ian,
Excellent work on her prop my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: coyotemagic on January 10, 2013, 03:35:08 PM
Gorgeous prop, Ian.  Very clean demarcations.  Wait.  What?  You painted the hub?  Damn.  Now I'll have to paint the hubs on all of my props covered by spinners or I'll never be able to live with the shame.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 11, 2013, 04:28:33 AM
Thanks for the encouraging comments!  Bud, I had intended to leave the hub rough but the gap between the spinner holes and the prop surface is just enough for me to want to touch up the hub.  I won't go to town on it though, just a basic steel colour but no weathering etc.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Whiteknuckles on January 11, 2013, 04:27:41 PM
That's a great prop Ian and it's good to see the progress shots.
What colours did you use for it?

Andrew
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 11, 2013, 06:15:33 PM
Hi Andrew - the base coat is Humbrol #63 Sand, sprayed on.  I then use 0.5mm micromask tape to mark up laminations, a few at a time.  I lay the tape initially by lining up at the hub as this is the best place to get parallel lines, then lay the tapes outwards judging the "parallelness" by eye but looking from the side.  The darker laminations are brushed between the tapes using Humbrol #29 Dark Earth but any darker shade will do.  I scrape away any over painting and touch up with Sand but the oil covering hides rough edges quite well!  It is possible to mask up the whole prop in one go and spray the darker colour, but I find the tape can lift with too much handling.

Oils for graining are a mixture of Windsor&Newton Raw Sienna, darkened with a spot or two of Burnt Umber.  Not completely mixed so that there is a hint of difference when brushed off (using the WNW advice for wood painting).  When the oil is dry I will apply 4 or 5 layers of klear, maybe with a colour tint in one or two layers to add a bit more depth.

This has taken me two sessions, of 2-3 hours each to get to this stage.  The masking is slow!  I had tried to use a brown pencil to do the laminations free hand, but I wasn't satisfied with the results, so I sanded it off and started again with a fresh spray of the base coat.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 14, 2013, 10:57:03 AM
Made a bit of progress in the cockpit, footboards and rudder pedals, ammo box etc.  The instrument panel is also made but does not attach yet.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/cockpit1_zpsc52e2553.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/cockpit3_zps491cbe4f.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/cocpit2_zps0bd4c38e-1.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 19, 2013, 10:55:31 AM
Been working on some more of the parts.  Internal framework, rear panel, instrument panel, engine, inside of fuselage.  Still waiting a little longer for the woodgrain oils to dry before klear coating, as well as adding small details, levers, pumps etc and touch up/detailing paint.  engine about half done, I have added plug leads but for some reason this kit engine is lacking even molded in plugs!  I am doing this one OOB but may have to scratch the plugs or see if there are any engine bits left in previous kits that I can recycle - I am sure the LVG had 2 engine options so that may be a quick solution.

The assemblies are loosely put together for photos.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/engine1_zpsb7781e6a.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/engine2_zps74f92690.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/interiors1_zps8e773ac2.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/interiors2_zpsd84f81ad.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/interiors3_zpsd0ece6d3.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/panels1_zps75902ec5.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: pepperman42 on January 19, 2013, 10:58:17 AM
Nice work Shes shaping up well.

Steve
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 19, 2013, 11:02:08 AM
Thanks Steve, I'm not going OTT with engine detailing or oil staining, as this will be mostly enclosed. 
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: GAJouette on January 19, 2013, 11:05:36 AM
  Ian,
As always outstanding progress my old friend. She's shaping up to be one awesome project.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: coyotemagic on January 19, 2013, 01:46:26 PM
Beautiful work, Ian.  The wood bits look fantastic.  She's on her way to being a real beauty.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Epeeman on January 20, 2013, 10:45:45 PM
Ian,

I'll second what others have said - great work so far.

How have you found the fit of parts on this one so far?

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 21, 2013, 06:05:48 AM
Thanks all.. :)

Dave, I found the fit so far to be excellent.  It remains to be seen if the fuselage halves fit well, but so far everything has slotted together like lego bricks...  I think I will order some Taurus plugs, the prices are very reasonable so much so that may outweigh the effort to scratch them.

Completed the cockpit assembly today, all fitted nicely.  Engine almost complete, distributor cabling needs tidying up, and I'll complete this when I have some spark plugs.  Won't bother with weathering as that wont be seen.  Engine sat on bearers just for pics.  Lighting not great in these shots...

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/assembly2_zps8670b0a1.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/assembly3_zps425d5434.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/assembly1_zpsa9858f0e.jpg)

Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Whiteknuckles on January 21, 2013, 08:43:15 AM
Looking good Ian, she's coming along nicely.

Andrew
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Checkers67 on January 21, 2013, 12:15:17 PM
Ian,
Nice work! I have a question, The rear panel with the lozgene, how did create the ripple effect?
TIA
Steve :)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: pepperman42 on January 21, 2013, 12:25:33 PM
Good work getting that all packed in there!!

Steve
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 21, 2013, 05:54:26 PM
Ian,
Nice work! I have a question, The rear panel with the lozgene, how did create the ripple effect?
TIA
Steve :)

Hi Steve, the ripples are molded in already.  I did think about dulling down this lozenge, but it is hardly seen on the finished model.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on January 21, 2013, 09:38:08 PM
Great work so far Ian, just waiting for my Roland kit to arrive from NZ.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on January 25, 2013, 10:04:15 AM
Thanks Pete, I see you got the Taurus extras for the engine.  I've got their spark plugs on the way (also bought sets for the DVII, Albie and Pfalz DXII at the same time) so can't button everything up yet until the engine is done.

Meanwhile, I progressed a little more on the prop and attached the spinner.  The front cowling has been prepared also, and the front end is sat here for a pic.  The wheels need the tyres painting, and the fabric was painted in the semi-gloss black as called for, but dulled down with an anthracite dry brushed over.  I will do the same for the fuselage before applying the edelweiss decals.  I think the contrast between the dulled down paint and the "metal" spinner etc would work well.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/spinner1_zps819e5d42.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/spinner2_zps8b36dcec.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/wheels1_zpsa590db70.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: PrzemoL on January 25, 2013, 10:56:29 PM
Very nice propeller! And fine modelling all around. Looking forward to see more.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 03, 2013, 09:17:30 AM
I prepared some more components whilst waiting for the sparks to arrive.  This included the exhaust, guns, undercarriage, rudder, wing struts etc as well as priming the wings in black prior to lozenge decals.  Once the plugs arrived I finished the engine, touched up the paint and assembled the interior frame to the fuselage halves.  These fitted together OK with a little persuasion and self-clamped with the lower wing.  A little filler was required, which is not quite as tidy as I would have liked but ok I guess.

Painted the fuselage having first masked the tail section and protecting the aircraft with a plastic bag.  Placed the edelweiss decals and sat the fuselage on its legs just for the pics.  Biggest job left now is the lozenge.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/partsassemblage_zpsce3bb46b.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/radiatoretc_zps4eb6ad18.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/exhaust_zps61d8d327.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/interior_zps8af046ef.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/tailmask_zps9f3c9c14.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/fuselage1_zpsba787d00.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/decals1_zps69b2b2fe.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/decals2_zps49d0009b.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Des on February 03, 2013, 09:30:07 AM
Looking great Ian, good to see that everything fitted in the fuselage, I love the decals on the fuselage, very eyecatching. You did an absolutely brilliant job on the propeller and the engine looks terrific as well.

Des.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Epeeman on February 03, 2013, 09:36:30 AM
Excellent progress and looks first class, Ian - look forward to seeing more.

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: coyotemagic on February 03, 2013, 11:26:59 AM
This one is really moving right along, Ian!  Excellent work all around.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: pepperman42 on February 03, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
Very nice work. Your exhaust looks excellent!!!

Steve
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on February 03, 2013, 03:25:31 PM
Looking good so far.  Black is a difficult color to do and weather nicely.  It looks like you have done both to the group build.

Best
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: michael on February 03, 2013, 07:05:16 PM
great stuff this will be a great show piece when completed!

i especially like the work on the prop and exhaust.

michael
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on February 05, 2013, 05:45:31 AM
Hello Ian:

I have to echo the comments so far, very nicely done and the weathering on the fuselage really sets off it off.

I am trying to figure what you used for the seat belts.  Were they the HGW fabric variety or did you use the kit PE?  Very nicely done whatever they were.

If they were the HGW Fabric, what are your thoughts on them?

Best

Mark
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 05, 2013, 08:35:17 AM
Thanks everyone, although I must admit the camera is hiding some of my deficiencies!  This has only been on the go for about 4 weeks so I guess I am rushing slightly - no extras nor proper weathering.

The fuselage is primed in matt black, then covered in satin black.  Then a thin wash of anthracite over the top before buffing with a q-tip to blend the variations in the blacks.  The fuselage is hand brushed.  The effect is reduced somewhat now I have applied a gloss coat (no pics yet) to seal the decals, but I will brush on some humbrol mattcote to dull it down again, once the wing lozenge is done.  I used Humbrol's new "Clear" as the gloss coat but I prefer Klear, the Humbrol variant is too thick.

The exhaust is done the in the same method as my previous builds.  I use humbrol gunmetal from the spray tin, which leaves a dull-ish colour that is pitted and grainy.  However, that provides a great key for drybrushing on some rust colours in pastel powders, then sealed with a quick spray of matt varnish.

The seat belts are the kit PE.  I am yet to master the techniques of painting these items, and I may buy an AM set for future builds where I take more time, do more detailing etc.

The prop looks ok from the front, but the colouring in the laminations is less effective at the back.

Just need to do the lozenge and rib tapes etc, then assemble and rig. 

Here are some pics of the wing lozenge and rib tapes going on...

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/ribtapes1_zpsd02aa81b.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/ribtapes3_zps3232b4d8.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/ribtapes2_zps612acee3.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 05, 2013, 10:50:04 PM
Looking very good now Ian, I'm still waiting for my kit to arrive.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 06, 2013, 11:18:24 PM
A little more progress last night - lozenge applied to the top surface of the lower wings, along with rib tapes.  Started to do the edge tapes too, but I find that very fiddly.  The decals are sealed with klear, and I will dull down later.  I have not done any rib shading, but I may dust some pastels between the rib tapes after the mattcote is applied.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/ribtapes4_zps66cec948.jpg)

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/ribtapes5_zpsa364bd99.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: rhallinger on February 06, 2013, 11:25:38 PM
Looks great Ian!  This is shaping up beautifully. ;D  Good luck with the final sprint. ;)

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on February 07, 2013, 01:16:37 AM
Hello Ian:

The leadging edge rib tape looks good.  I haven't done that to any of my models as it is too fiddly, but it does look good, and I have to try it.  Looking forward to seeing you wrap it up.  Looks good so far.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: kinnies on February 07, 2013, 02:04:46 AM
Good morning Ian,
This is very impressive work. I like the Edelweiss scheme very much. The black is striking. I just completed an Albatross in this scheme, but fortunately for me it did not have lozenge decals. Your application of the lozenge looks really good. I am somewhat intimidated by these decals, in particular I don't know if I would be able to trim them carefully enough without tearing them or making them uneven at the edges. Silly question, perhaps, but do you trim after they are completely dry, in which case won't they curl over the edges?
Looking forward to seeing more,
Cheers,
John
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Epeeman on February 07, 2013, 02:55:52 AM
Ian,

Looking great and good progress, too.  Is it all still going together nicely?

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 07, 2013, 05:56:10 AM
Thanks everyone.. :)

Dave this kit is holding together very well - with all the handling I have not broken any extremities yet!  Everything fits together nicely.  I have got a slight offset between the wing/horizontal tailplane which is odd given the way the wing and tail assembled to the fuselage.  You can only see this from a front on view, and is only slight.  I can see it, but I'm not too worried.

Mark, John, the edge tape is fiddly.  It takes ages to get one piece started, to get the folds over the edges, but once started it goes down ok.  It hides any roughness of the edges of the lozenge strips.  The lozenge itself goes down very well, and is quite robust.  If I was more patient I would make a paper template for each length - then with careful cutting the strips would sit perfectly up to the wing edges without need for further trimming.  I have a few rough edges which are hidden, and some that show through when looking closely.  I trim the lozenge after it has dried, one side at a time.  The edges can still lift, so I coat with klear. Also, if I had wanted to add rib shading, I could have applied shading to the lozenge before adding the tapes, then that leaves the tapes clean.

Other WNW kits (the later ones) with lozenge come with pre-shaped and taped sections specific to the surfaces to be covered.  I have yet to try these, but can imagine they will be much quicker to apply.  The rib tapes are not separate so the shading would need a different technique.

Although I am not planning to weather this model as used or dirty, I will apply a matt finish eventually.  I will use this to try out this coating by hand - the planking fuselage structure leans towards lengthwise brushing, and chordwise over the wings, so if there are any brushmarks they will be in the direction of airflow.  I could spray the matt, but would need to mask off the engine and cockpit.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Dal Gavan on February 07, 2013, 02:56:12 PM
That's an eye-catching scheme, Ian, and you've rendered it nicely.  Thanks for the tip on doing the edge tape, too. 

Cheers.

Dal.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 13, 2013, 06:24:49 PM
After a weekend off I carried on with the wing lozenge and rib taping.  Now all that remains is the top wing upper tapes and crosses, and edge taping for most surfaces.  The elevator and rudder are rigged, but the wires are not clear here, I may paint them a metal colour later.  The elevator needs fixing on properly, I will do that later to avoid knocking it off again.

The struts and landing gear, prop etc are all ready to add, but I'll finish the wings (including trimming the repair you can see on the top wing) and then give everything a matt coat before final assembly and rigging.

I placed the top wing on the model for a photo using only the outer struts, and no glue as yet.  No jig used just mk 1 eyeballs and the quality of the kit.  I'm quite happy with the alignment....

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/topwing2_zps633cf116.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/topwing1_zpscb97e11d.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on February 14, 2013, 01:18:52 AM
Hello Ian:

It is coming along to be sure.  I like this kit, I haven't built it yet, but I have seen a few done and it is a striking model.  I like the scheme you have chosen and will look forward to seeing the upcoming photos.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 15, 2013, 03:21:11 AM
Looking very nice now Ian, lovely job.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: GAJouette on February 15, 2013, 09:03:35 AM
  Ian,
Wow she's one sweet project my old friend. Great job on the lozenge too.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 17, 2013, 08:36:38 PM
Thanks folks, apart from the fiddly edge tapes this isn't too bad.  I have done a bit of experimentation with dulling down the wings and making the lozenge more matt, for another time I would perhaps use a lighter shade of weathering powder on the mattcote.  I brushed the matt cote roughly in between the rib tapes, to retain their gloss.  Again, next time I would be more careful to keep the rib edges straight, with masking tape.  The rib tapes are sealed with klear first so hopefully would not lift with masking.  Although this is rough and ready, I'm quite happy that whilst not perfect, I don't think I've spoiled the model.  The intention was to dull down the bright WNW lozenge.

Here's some pics of further decaling and the dulling down, with before and after for comparison - I have included the last pic as the ones above prior to dulling down were photographed under different conditions:

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/edgetapes_zps0e87728e.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/wingshading1_zps7516e6c7.jpg)

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/topdecals_zps8bf600d2.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/wingshading2_zps1b9579f9.jpg)

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/wingcomparison_zps4ea4f708.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 17, 2013, 10:59:23 PM
The lozenge certainly looks more realistic dulled down Ian, less stark.

I'm going with the Wood and Wire faded with fabric texture lozenge decals on my build, they look really nice.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: rhallinger on February 17, 2013, 10:59:57 PM
Very nice work Ian! I think you've achieved your goal--the fabric is nicely toned down and looks slightly weathered.
Nice finish!  I believe that is very difficult to do well without an airbrush, but you have pulled it off very well indeed. Congratulations!

Regards,

Bob
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 18, 2013, 02:26:34 AM
I'm not quite understanding the process you used here Ian. I think you applied a matte coat to the lozenge and then when it was dry, followed up with brushed on pastels, and then a final sealing matte coat. Is that correct? The end result is excellent in my opinion.

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: coyotemagic on February 18, 2013, 05:02:32 AM
Very nice work on the lozenge, Ian.  I love the overall effect.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 18, 2013, 06:22:09 AM
Thanks everyone, whilst I have not got the rib shading exactly right, I agree with many on here that the WNW lozenge is too bright.

My process is as follows:

Paint and smooth down the wing surface (black this time) and klear to get a glossy finish.  Apply lozenge strip using decalfix and hairdryer.  Trim and apply rib tapes, again using hairdryer to set.  Then add the crosses and any stencils, and apply two coats of klear to seal the decals and protect against the varnish.  Then I brushed on the mattcote, mixed with humbrol thinner so as not to overdo the matt effect, brushed between the rib tapes (not quite as accurately as I would like, but ok - another time I would mask the rib tapes).

When dry, drybrush on some weathering powder - black pastel rubbed on sandpaper here - but perhaps a smoke shade would be more subtle. 

Chris, I did not apply any further coats to seal the powders, they bed into the matt surface sufficiently.  Even carefully brushing a thin coat of klear over (next day) would not remove the powders, well maybe some, but most would be left.

I am still loathe to spray klear or varnish in case I over do it or get the orange peel effect....  I will try on an other model as the mattcote would work well with an airbrush, as would klear. 

Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 18, 2013, 06:11:34 PM
Ian, I don't know about the other guys, but I never spray Kleer, you don't need to, it's like water and brush painting puts down a lovely coat without any danger of the 'orange peel' effect.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 18, 2013, 07:39:14 PM
I agree Pete, I have always handbrushed Klear so far.  I would like however to try and spray it for the occasions where the weathering is more delicate.

I handbrushed the mattcote too.  Apart from dodgy rib tape edges due to no masking, the effect wasn't too bad, especially adding to the fabric effect.  I always do the final brush stroke in the direction of the airflow.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 18, 2013, 08:18:24 PM
Also Ian, what I've done in the past is mix up some MIG pigments with varnish and a little thinner and sprayed that through an airbrush, you get quite a good effect, also you can build up the layers, plus the varnish fixes the pigment at the same time.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 18, 2013, 11:10:56 PM
I have tainted Klear in the past with dark shades to give an oily effect.  I suppose any method is good if it works!
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Chris Johnson on February 18, 2013, 11:46:52 PM
Without sealing the pigments Ian, aren't you a bit concerned about leaving an errant fingerprint or two along the way?

Cheers,

Chris
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 19, 2013, 03:01:56 AM
Doesn't seem to be a problem with fingerprints Chris - the powders are well embedded, leaving an effect like dry brushing with paint.  The powders are held within the undulations of the matt surface.  I even sometimes use my finger to blend the powders in.

I have overbrushed with Klear to seal the weathering in, on occasion.

Another way to use the powder I was told, is to carefully dampen the area to be weathered with Klear (or similar) then apply the dust, and blow/shake off the excess when dry.  I reckon that would work better for AFV models with thicker mud layers for example.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: lcarroll on February 19, 2013, 09:12:36 AM
Ian,
   I missed this over the past few days. The "Before and After" Lozenge photos are magnificent, you've completely transformed the effect from "toy" to "real". Outstanding job, it's supurb and the model will be a real show stopper.
Cheers,
Lance
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 20, 2013, 08:05:01 PM
Cheers Lance :)

This pic shows the model almost complete.  The lighting was poor so the representation isn't great and the lozenge dulling isn't clear.  I'll look to take better pics under natural light later.

All that needs to be done is to do the rib effects on the rudder, attach the top wing and radiator pipes, prop and spinner and glue the undercarriage - and then rig.  The rigging lines are already attached to the top wing, and I am gluing the lines directly into the wing locations without turnbuckles.  I may make a simple turnbuckle representation with paint but I'll see about that later...

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/almostthere_zpsb92ca956.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on February 21, 2013, 02:27:44 AM
I like the weathering effect on the black paint, really breaks it up and adds interest.

Best


Mark
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: GAJouette on February 21, 2013, 08:19:23 AM
  Ian,
Outstanding weathering my old friend.Keep up your awesome works .
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Epeeman on February 21, 2013, 08:50:53 AM
Ian,

Looking good and you are making great progress - not long before being completed now?

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: coyotemagic on February 21, 2013, 10:22:02 AM
Beautiful job on the weathering, Ian.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 22, 2013, 05:23:47 AM
Thanks folks.  I deliberately used mattcoat with a hand brush to represent a painted surface over the original "wood" - this effect has less contrast under natural light - the matt surface is reflecting the flash too much here.

Top wing on, eventually, and rigging started.  As you may see from older pics, the cabane struts were sat nicely in place, so much so I did not glue them at first to the fuselage.  Mistake.  Having glued the top wing on cabane struts and radiator pipe first, when I attached the outer struts the movement of the wing caused the cabanes to pop out of the fuselage.  This was rectified later, but it is a bit like the old plate spinning trick!  The attachments are not perfect, but not so bad as to put the wing out of place.

In my haste to get the top wing on, I forgot to drill out the lower wing rigging locations, which are painted and decalled over.  It is a bit tricky to clear these down to virgin plastic for the CA to adhere to with the top wing in situ, without damaging the lozenge.  Never mind, one line at a time and it will be ok.  Pics to follow later.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 23, 2013, 01:03:42 AM
Love the weathering Ian, top job mate.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: RAGIII on February 24, 2013, 02:46:18 AM
The weathering of the black is excellent! Well done Ian !!
RAGIII
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 25, 2013, 11:41:08 PM
We're almost finished with this one.  Rigging is all done, but I may paint the lines to make them stand out more.  I'll give the surfaces a careful clean with a q-tip moistened with thinner and re-apply the mattcote where necessary.  I had thought of doing some mud splatters on the lower part of the fin & rudder,and under the wings, but will probably leave that for another model.

Pics to follow later.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 26, 2013, 10:45:26 AM
Here we go, all done as far as I want to be.  I could do a few repairs here and there, patch up paint and rework the surface finish but I have to draw the line somewhere - I get to the point where more tweaking spoils the model.

I'll do some better pics in daylight soon and do a completed model thread.

(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/finished1_zpse76b9361.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/finished3_zps7946c59c.jpg)
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj621/ianfromdoncaster/roland/finished2_zps8a6871ea.jpg)
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: michael on February 27, 2013, 01:20:39 AM
superb job Ian the black scheme looks fantastic.

looking forward to more pics

cheers

michael
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: GAJouette on February 27, 2013, 01:50:24 AM
  Ian,
First rate all the way my old friend. Looking forward to seeing her complete in all her glory.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: mgunns on February 27, 2013, 02:16:32 AM
Hello Ian:

This is one sharp model.  I too like the black finish.  Excellent work all around.

Best

Mark
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Pete Nottingham on February 27, 2013, 03:56:15 AM
Lovely job Ian, great looking model, hope mine looks as good.

Cheers

Pete.
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: coyotemagic on February 27, 2013, 04:15:06 AM
Congratulations, Ian!  She's gorgeous.  Outstanding job all around, mate.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: pepperman42 on February 27, 2013, 05:22:32 AM
Great lookng model in a sharp paint scheme!!

Steve
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Ian from Doncaster on February 27, 2013, 05:30:11 AM
Thanks everyone :)

This was a straightforward build.  To be honest, and perhaps a bit over critical, I know I could do a better job but I just wanted to finish as my stash is continually growing.  The camera angle and lighting does hide the imperfections ;)

I did a bit of experimentation on this one, with toning down the lozenge, black paint representation etc.  Everything is OOB apart from spark plugs, plug wires, and the rigging lines.

I highly recommend this kit to modellers new to WNW and this scale, as well as to the more experienced here.  I am happy I can produce a relatively decent job but the kit would allow those of you with better craft skills to produce outstanding work.

Mirage Halberstadt CL.II in 1:48 next, intertwined with finishing the Revell VW Samba Bus that has been on and off for about 18 months!
Title: Re: WNW Roland
Post by: Epeeman on February 27, 2013, 08:38:10 AM
Hello, Ian -

I've got to be honest and say that this aircraft was not the most elegant of aircraft (in my opinion of course) but you have done it justice and made it look truly excellent.

Regards

Dave