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Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 27.5.2022 Aileron control
Post by: Bughunter on February 09, 2022, 04:13:26 AM
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Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 8.2.2022 Start
Post by: RAGIII on February 09, 2022, 04:45:03 AM
Another utterly Amazing build underway Frank! I for one will follow with great interest.
RAGIII
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 8.2.2022 Start
Post by: Radarman on February 09, 2022, 05:16:57 AM
It's great to see another Nieuport on your workbench, Frank.
You can never have too many French aircraft in your collection.

                                                                     Kevin
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 8.2.2022 Start
Post by: Big Sky Modeler on February 09, 2022, 05:47:47 AM
Love the cowling.  How did you get that look if you don't mind my asking?
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 8.2.2022 Start
Post by: KiwiZac on February 09, 2022, 06:17:10 AM
I'm excited for this one Frank as I have two Noops - albeit XIs - on my 1/72 and 1/48 To Do lists. Settling in with a good beverage to watch the magic!
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 8.2.2022 Start
Post by: Bughunter on February 09, 2022, 07:40:26 AM
Welcome and thank you Rick, Kevin, Jim and Zac!

Love the cowling.  How did you get that look if you don't mind my asking?
It is turned from aluminium on a lathe. The main reason is, that the in-scale Small Stuff engines won't fit under the thick plastic cowling (in scale outside).
The look is a bit raw at the moment, from the lathe chisel and a bit of sanding on the lathe.
I think it will not stay as it is, as the original ones was more polished. But also major steps are missing: I need to mill the cooling cutouts, and I need to add the "connections". The cowling had seems, so it could be opened without removing the airscrew for engine maintenance. I want to replicate that with alu foil (have done it once) but it is not easy as CA do not stick very good to alu. So with this raw surface I hope the glue sticks better to it. Let's see ...

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 8.2.2022 Start
Post by: Alexis on February 09, 2022, 07:50:49 AM
Right on , N-17 triplane ! Fantastic stuff Frank !


Alexis
Title: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: Bughunter on February 10, 2022, 02:28:33 AM
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Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: PrzemoL on February 10, 2022, 04:42:32 AM
You are a machine! That amazing Camel has just rolled out the line and here is another masterpiece in the making. Great work all around.
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: FAf on February 10, 2022, 04:54:37 AM
You asked if anyone was interested in following your new build and I thought I'd be funny and say 'no, I'm bored with all of your fantastic detailing'... But that's obviously not true! Who wouldn't want to tag along and be mesmerized by your magic?!

Great work!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: RAGIII on February 10, 2022, 06:44:10 AM
Wow Frank! You are progressing quickly but it certainly doesn't lack your usual Expertise and skills. The pulsator, engine, prop shaft, and of course that Cowling, are true works of art! Lovely and I can't wait for the next update!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: WD on February 10, 2022, 10:20:26 AM
Absolutely wonderful Frank!  As has been said, you can't have too many French a/c in your collection, and to that I'll add you can never have too many Nieuports.\
I'll be following with great interest as I have a couple of 1/72nd Nieuport builds to get back to after my current project is off the bench. I am wondering how I'm going to thin my injected cowling to fit my Small Stuff rotaries.

WD
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: kensar on February 10, 2022, 04:32:10 PM
Looks like a good fit between the cowling and the fuselage.  The 'T' shaped pieces look fantastic.  Were they difficult to bend to the cowling shape?
Title: Re: Another Nieuport 17, Eduard 1/48, 9.2.2022 Cowling
Post by: Bughunter on February 11, 2022, 04:00:56 AM
Comments appreciated, guys, thanks!

Lovely and I can't wait for the next update!!
I'm preparing the next update ...

Were they difficult to bend to the cowling shape?
No Ken, since the ridge is less than 0.5mm high and the aluminium is soft, a touch with the finger was enough.


Cheers,
Frank
Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: Bughunter on February 11, 2022, 04:09:37 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: lone modeller on February 11, 2022, 04:49:43 AM
Frank,

I have missed tuning in to the site for a couple of days and you have half built another masterpiece, complete with complex original parts! I just do not know how you can do it so quickly.

Absolutely fantastic modelling as always.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: KiwiZac on February 11, 2022, 05:38:30 AM
The cowling and struts are pieces of art, Frank, bravo!
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: RAGIII on February 11, 2022, 06:28:14 AM
That is Fine Modeling by Any standards!  Your ability to make Miniature replicas of complicated aircraft parts continue to amaze Me Frank!!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on February 16, 2022, 03:13:03 AM
Wow!  Spectacular and the landing gear is just amazing.  Lots to learn from these posts!
Dan
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: macsporran on February 16, 2022, 04:17:37 AM
Marvellous stuff Frank. I love your metalwork - the finely turned cowling and all the brass soldering. Lovely.
Vive les Nieuports!
Sandy
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: Alexis on February 16, 2022, 06:13:47 AM
Nice legs Frank !  ;)


Alexis
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 10.2.2022 Undercarriage
Post by: Bughunter on February 17, 2022, 05:18:52 AM
Thank you Stephen, Zac, Rick, Dan, Sandy and Alexis! Your lovely comments are highly appreciated!

Vive les Nieuports!
Yes Sandy, we have the Nieuport weeks!

Cheers,
Frank



Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard/SPIN Models 1/48, 16.2.2022 Tail skid
Post by: Bughunter on February 17, 2022, 05:51:51 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 16.2.2022 Tail skid
Post by: lone modeller on February 17, 2022, 07:35:21 AM
Once again I am speechless at the skill you show in making such tiny realistic parts like the tail skid and undercarriage fairings.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 16.2.2022 Tail skid
Post by: hrcoleman66 on February 17, 2022, 07:51:51 AM
Once again I am speechless at the skill you show in making such tiny realistic parts like the tail skid and undercarriage fairings.

Stephen.

I can only say I concur!  You must have some serious Microscopy at your disposal to be able to work so finely!

Cheers,

Hugh
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 16.2.2022 Tail skid
Post by: WD on February 17, 2022, 08:07:42 AM
The tail skid is wonderful!  I despaired of every getting anything to work for it in 1/72nd. Beautiful work so far sir.

WD
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 16.2.2022 Tail skid
Post by: Bughunter on February 17, 2022, 10:41:39 PM
Thank you Stephen, Hugh and WD!

Once again I am speechless at the skill you show in making such tiny realistic parts like the tail skid and undercarriage fairings.
The key is not to handle small parts but use big parts as long as possible!
Example from above: I let the wires very long, so even the small plates with the two holes added already. Cut later on the complete skid. So the handling is much easier 8)

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: Bughunter on February 18, 2022, 04:31:48 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: KiwiZac on February 18, 2022, 04:50:57 AM
Frank, this is beautiful work - that tailskid is a true work of art. Wow!
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: RAGIII on February 19, 2022, 08:07:32 AM
Normally I would say that this work is Amazing. With your builds the details, like that tail skid, are Normal    ;D Really looking Beautiful Frank!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: PrzemoL on February 19, 2022, 06:13:05 PM
Very neat airbrushing. Masking always makes me tremble, no matter if it is plastic or resin.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: WD on February 20, 2022, 01:54:45 AM
As others have said, that tail skid is a work of art.
Beautiful roundels, great masking. I wish I had gotten some DB paint when it was available.

WD
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: Dirigible-Al on February 20, 2022, 02:44:42 AM
Excellent work Frank.
Alan.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: Bughunter on February 20, 2022, 05:57:28 AM
Thank you Zac, Rick, PrzemoL, WD and Alan!

Very neat airbrushing. Masking always makes me tremble, no matter if it is plastic or resin.
Since I draw the masks in Inkscape I create a second layer, here a cut at the diameter in the middle of the white. While spraying blue I can protect the red area with the inner circle, then cover the blue with the outer ring to spray red.
That way is much easier, no bleeding on the border of the masks 8)

I hope my description was good enough, since I forgot pictures during the process.
If not I can can try to make pictures while doing the cockade on the fuselage. I have not done them in parallel because I'm waiting for the decals of the serial number on the rudder. The decals are marked with 1/48 but I do not know the real size:
- if the numbers are to small I will do the "N1388", which had no cockades on the fuselage.
- if the numbers are ok I will do the "A6686" and add the cockades on the fuselage


I wish I had gotten some DB paint when it was available.
There are two sides to this!
I ordered some of the paints for testing and got glass bottles: I really like the color shades and they spray great.
So I ordered more of them later even the price was high (compared to Tamiya and Gunze) and shipping also not cheap. I got all of them in plastic bottles. So far so good.
I may build a lot of models, but not that much and the planes are not big so I expect that the colors are usable for a long time. But I noticed a smell and realized a bad thing: The thinner has diffused through the plastic bottles! The paints were very thick even with  refilled thinner.
So I ordered 25 glass bottles in the net and spend the whole afternoon today to rescue my investment. After a lot of shaking and cleaning the paints are now in new glass bottles. Especially the mixed paints were problematic and the pigments separated, but I want to have the complete mixture in the new bottles.
BTW, the paint in the original glass bottles are as fresh as on the first day.

So no work on this Triplane.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: PrzemoL on February 20, 2022, 09:22:58 AM
Quote from: Bughunter
Very neat airbrushing. Masking always makes me tremble, no matter if it is plastic or resin.
Since I draw the masks in Inkscape I create a second layer, here a cut at the diameter in the middle of the white. While spraying blue I can protect the red area with the inner circle, then cover the blue with the outer ring to spray red.
That way is much easier, no bleeding on the border of the masks 8)

That is clear, thanks for the explanation. Yet, I was rather referring to my trembling about peeling the masks, not to problems with paint bleed. I am always scared I will tear off the paint. Or the decals, if there is losenge ...  ;)
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: WD on February 20, 2022, 09:39:20 AM

There are two sides to this!
I ordered some of the paints for testing and got glass bottles: I really like the color shades and they spray great.
So I ordered more of them later even the price was high (compared to Tamiya and Gunze) and shipping also not cheap. I got all of them in plastic bottles. So far so good.
I may build a lot of models, but not that much and the planes are not big so I expect that the colors are usable for a long time. But I noticed a smell and realized a bad thing: The thinner has diffused through the plastic bottles! The paints were very thick even with  refilled thinner.
So I ordered 25 glass bottles in the net and spend the whole afternoon today to rescue my investment. After a lot of shaking and cleaning the paints are now in new glass bottles. Especially the mixed paints were problematic and the pigments separated, but I want to have the complete mixture in the new bottles.
BTW, the paint in the original glass bottles are as fresh as on the first day.

So no work on this Triplane.

Cheers,
Frank

Frank,
          I hate plastic bottles for this very reason. I have some old hobby paint from my youth (early/mid 70's) in glass bottles (that somehow survived 40+ years of moving) that are still good to this day.  :DI have paint I ordered in plastic bottles that's never been opened that I ordered and put up five years ago. All ruined for being in plastic bottles.  :'(

WD
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: Alexis on February 21, 2022, 04:54:43 AM
Top notch Frank !



Alexis
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: kensar on February 21, 2022, 10:33:06 PM
Your painted roundels look very good, Frank.  Also, nice work on the landing gear.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: Bughunter on March 17, 2022, 12:44:47 AM
Thank you Alexis and Ken!

This project is on hold.
Stephen helped with decals numbers, but even with stated the serial numbers in 1/48 they were much to small. But that numbers will be a great addition to other projects.
Now I had a different idea and still waiting for a delivery.

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 17.2.2022 Cockades
Post by: KiwiZac on March 17, 2022, 06:13:16 AM
Standing by patiently with interest!
Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 19.3.2022 Rudder
Post by: Bughunter on March 20, 2022, 07:06:14 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 19.3.2022 Rudder
Post by: RAGIII on March 20, 2022, 08:02:29 AM
The serial number look terrific
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 19.3.2022 Rudder
Post by: GazzaS on March 20, 2022, 09:37:47 AM
Very nice Rudder, Frank!
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 19.3.2022 Rudder
Post by: lone modeller on March 21, 2022, 05:17:27 AM
Certainly solved the rudder serial problem Frank!

Quite right that a real aeroplane is taking priority - keep it up!!

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 19.3.2022 Rudder
Post by: KiwiZac on March 21, 2022, 07:33:56 AM
That looks great, congratulations on clearing that hurdle!

And they are able to print white!
I have a few builds that are stalled for want of white decals - excellent news, thanks for the heads-up Frank!
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 19.3.2022 Rudder
Post by: Alexis on March 22, 2022, 02:31:04 AM
Thumbs up Frank !



Alexis
Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: Bughunter on May 19, 2022, 05:08:21 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: WD on May 19, 2022, 05:53:12 AM
Beautiful work Frank.

WD
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: KiwiZac on May 19, 2022, 06:30:27 AM
Beautiful work Frank.

WD
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: lone modeller on May 19, 2022, 06:35:28 AM
Another of your truly magnificent models on the way again Frank.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: PrzemoL on May 19, 2022, 07:20:17 PM
Spectacular progress!
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: kensar on May 19, 2022, 11:17:38 PM
Tidy work.  I have also noted the panel fasteners on the oval panel.  8)
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 18.5.2022 Biplane
Post by: RAGIII on May 20, 2022, 10:36:40 PM
Outstanding as always Frank!
RAGIII
Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: Bughunter on May 21, 2022, 04:58:11 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: DaddyO on May 21, 2022, 06:16:25 AM
I've got a roll of self adhesive aluminium 'heat retardant' tape Frank. (It's a big roll and you're more than welcome to some  if it helps) I've used it for hinge details on 1/72 and was just playing with using some on a 72nd Nieuport. Although it looks a bit shiny as it comes it can be toned down by sanding with very fine wet or dry paper. Thickness is about the same as Sellotape.

Paul
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: KiwiZac on May 21, 2022, 07:41:06 AM
This build is very striking, I'm rather enjoying it despite my total ignorance of the type!
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: RAGIII on May 21, 2022, 07:55:30 AM
Exceptional work on what has to rank as one of the Oddest of the French Designs  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: Bughunter on May 21, 2022, 08:03:06 AM
Thanks for the suggestion Paul!
I have such big shiny roll. I have tried to use it, but had later a big problem. With weathering the model with thinned oil paints the glue below the foil was washed out has formed nodules :o So I had to replace the stripes.

I was also not sure if alu or linen, but your suggestion is another voting for alu :)

Zac, I must admit a Nieuport biplane is more elegant but I like to setup a collection of triplanes. The crazy Quadruplane also fits into this series.

Rick, I think the Triplane of the Nieuport 10 (which is also on my list) is more ugly?

Thanks,
Frank
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: macsporran on May 21, 2022, 05:15:49 PM
Just found this one, Frank. Wow, you're doing some seriously good work here. I'm thinking the 'plane is looking a bit strange - but, of course! It's because you haven't mounted the tailplane yet. It'll look perfectly normal then!!
Sandy
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: Alexis on May 23, 2022, 02:01:07 PM
Nice to see you back on this one Frank !


Alexis
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: Brad Cancian on May 23, 2022, 06:18:32 PM
Some seriously lovely work here Frank, as always :)
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: DaveB on May 23, 2022, 08:53:49 PM
Amazing detailing work on this one, Frank!

Regards

Dave
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: Rookie on May 23, 2022, 09:18:15 PM
Incredible beautifully detailed work Frank!

It's a peculiar aircraft with the wings positioned like that, but I really like it.

Willem
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 20.5.2022 Triplane
Post by: Bughunter on May 24, 2022, 05:10:08 AM
Sorry my friends, no progress pictures yet as I had no time to work on it.
But I just enjoyed reading your wonderful comments!

It's a peculiar aircraft with the wings positioned like that
That was one of the main problems with this configuration: the pilot has nearly no forward sight to land this bird due to the middle wing, and middle and lower wing causes a poor ground sight too!
After reading about it I checked this on the model - so true!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 25.5.2022 Shoes and stripes
Post by: Bughunter on May 26, 2022, 05:05:26 AM
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Title: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 27.5.2022 Aileron control
Post by: Bughunter on May 28, 2022, 06:01:24 AM
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Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 27.5.2022 Aileron control
Post by: RAGIII on May 29, 2022, 12:44:49 AM
It is looking fabulous Frank!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 27.5.2022 Aileron control
Post by: WD on May 29, 2022, 12:52:41 AM
Looking great Frank.

WD
Title: Re: Nieuport 17 Triplane, Eduard 1/48, 27.5.2022 Aileron control
Post by: Umlaufmotor on May 30, 2022, 05:24:38 AM
A very nice, accurately built model Frank!
 ........ but between you and me, - the thing is pretty ugly  ;)

Servus
Bertl