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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: WD on December 31, 2021, 02:31:20 AM
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Did anyone see this coming? I sure didn't, but then maybe I'm just behind the times:
https://www.clay-more.com/
Enjoy! Nice to see 1/48th getting some love.
WD
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Interesting kits for sure. Multi Media for the experienced Modeler . I hope someone can give the 1/48th guys more info soon!
RAGIII
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Me too Rick. I sure never saw this coming, never heard of the company, etc. However, a friend on a UK modeling forum made me aware this morning, and he found it on Scalemates. Man, you'd think someone in the company might have found their way over here if for nothing else to give us all a shout and a heads up.
For experienced modelers, but isn't that true for most all WWI kits that are multi-media?
I wish them nothing but success.
WD
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Me too Rick. I sure never saw this coming, never heard of the company, etc. However, a friend on a UK modeling forum made me aware this morning, and he found it on Scalemates. Man, you'd think someone in the company might have found their way over here if for nothing else to give us all a shout and a heads up.
For experienced modelers, but isn't that true for most all WWI kits that are multi-media?
I wish them nothing but success.
WD
I agree Warren, You would think a "New" company producing WW1 subjects would at least do a web search looking for an audience :o The subjects are really interesting and sorely needed in about all of the Major scales!
RAGIII
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Some really great choices of subject there; great news for the 1;48 crowd!
Cheers,
Lance
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Most interesting. Multi media would suggest resin, plastic and PE?
The Fe8 is a particular kit I've long wanted and am surprised it's been ignored by the mainstream companies.
I have reached out to Clay-More and invited them to share more information with the Forum. It's always good to welcome new companies into the WW1 market.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Some photos of parts Italian Ebay. Looks good except the engines are 3D printed in one piece to the booms and some interior details are all printed to the interior instead of being separate. Much more difficult to paint and detail. Since this is 3D printed instead of molded castings, the manufacturer could relatively easily print separate parts. If enough modelers suggest printing separate parts, I think Clay-More would modify this shortcoming as well as all future kits.
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I want then all !
Alexis
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Some photos of parts Italian Ebay. Looks good except the engines are 3D printed in one piece to the booms and some interior details are all printed to the interior instead of being separate. Much more difficult to paint and detail. Since this is 3D printed instead of molded castings, the manufacturer could relatively easily print separate parts. If enough modelers suggest printing separate parts, I think Clay-More would modify this shortcoming as well as all future kits.
Hi Berman
Have you got any links to the photos ?
Cheers
Andrew
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I could find this on the italian ebay.
I have no connections to maker or seller, just to let you know.
seems to be 3d print, resin wings, booms and fuselage and a lot of pe parts, but also a hefty price for a 1/48 kit...
https://www.ebay.it/itm/115163513942?hash=item1ad047c456:g:W3wAAOSwIpFhzbX9 (https://www.ebay.it/itm/115163513942?hash=item1ad047c456:g:W3wAAOSwIpFhzbX9)
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Now on US Ebay. https://www.ebay.com/itm/115163513942?hash=item1ad047c456:g:W3wAAOSwIpFhzbX9
160 euros plus 30 euros shipping to the USA if ordered directly from Clay-More's website. I will order one if he changes to more separate parts.
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This is absolutely excellent news, especially for the 1/48 crew like me. The manufacturer must know what we want, this is so refreshing. If someone told me a new kit maker was releasing kits I would expect little more than already covered single seat fighters but I would buy all of the kits listed.
Alan
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P.S.
If Clay-More read this thread then this is to you 'Please do a Short Bros plane in 1/48'.
Alan.
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I have been in contact with Clay-More who advise they are a very small garage-business based in Italy.
The Caproni CA.3 bomber has just been released. It is essentially 3D printed with some resin parts, PE and decals.
Clay-More say people can buy directly from their website or on Ebay.
They've also shared a list of what's available now and what's coming plus some ideas on the table.
Available kits:
Caproni Ca3
Coming soon:
Lonher L
FBA
RAF FE8
Voisin L
Ideas on the table
FE2b
Pomilio PE
Saml 7
Sia SP3
Handley Page 0/400
Zeppelin Staaken
Ilya Muromets
All kits in 1/48 scale.
Clay-More say prices for fighters ranges from 70 to 90€. Prices for those big bombers are to be defined, but no less than 200€
The Caproni is selling on Ebay or via their website for 160€ and shipping. Clay-More have shared some images with the Forum.
(https://i.postimg.cc/pd5z0jT8/s-l16001.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/v8rLF5vt/IMG-20211229-184851-002.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/VLz9Y5GQ/IMG-20211229-184907-002.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8Xz1wFx/IMG-20211229-184924-002.jpg)
More information at the Clay-More website at https://www.clay-more.com/
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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For the advanced modeller but awesome subject choices. Might pick some up, especially flying boats :D
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Hello guys, I am deeply honored for being invited into this superb forum.
I am the guy who is behind this Clay-More stuff.
I will give some personal info about me in the introduction section, in the meanwhile I take advantage to say something about our project here.
A couple of words that I think are necessary.
This is just more a small, garage-like, activity rather than a business. The volume of production is and will be really low. Kits are intended for experienced (this word may sound as an excuse to make crappy kits) modellers who are in search of particular, rare to find, planes. Luckily modern 3d printing allows to offer this.
Kits are pricey, we all are well aware of it. But there is no other way to keep this going on. As volumes are really low. We do not do it for a living but for pure passion, for having in our collections new models previously unavailable.
Here we can have a direct contact. A broken part? Contact me, a solution is just behind the corner.
Modellers have to work on kits, it's not Tamiya stuff, unfortunately.
We, as Winnie Churchill did, promise just sweat, tears and blood (just kidding ). But, with an open, honest, exchange of ideas anything can be improved. Any criticism, critique or observation will be really welcome. Utmost care is given to the general dimensions. As we know very well, while a hole can be drilled out or a surface could be better smoothed, on the other hand, a wingspan must be that one precisely.
Once again, thanks for accepting me here.
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I think it will be hard to resist the Ilya Murmorets. A Staaken in 1/48 would be absolutely massive. Massive respect for them to bring out these larger and less covered kits in 1/48
Alan
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I think it will be hard to resist the Ilya Murmorets. A Staaken in 1/48 would be absolutely massive. Massive respect for them to bring out these larger and less covered kits in 1/48
Alan
As big as a b-29... but it would be really fascinating....
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Hello ClayMoreGuy
I either did not see your post or posts crossed otherwise I would have responded to that one. I personally would rather have good fuselage, decals and wings and decide myself whether to super detail it (not that I do that much anyway) than have a very detailed set of parts that make an inaccurate plane. Just put of interest what Staaken would it be? Although they were the same size there were quite a few R types including a 5 engine version.
Alan.
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Hello ClayMoreGuy
I either did not see your post or posts crossed otherwise I would have responded to that one. I personally would rather have good fuselage, decals and wings and decide myself whether to super detail it (not that I do that much anyway) than have a very detailed set of parts that make an inaccurate plane. Just put of interest what Staaken would it be? Although they were the same size there were quite a few R types including a 5 engine version.
Alan.
Hi Alan, it would be the RVI but I guess that this is the longest term kit. We need to build experience and gather feedbacks before venturing in such a huge model release.
I am a Led Zeppelin maniac and i feel some strange kind of attraction for this plane, but it won't be an easy job.
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Hello and Welcome ClayMoreGuy !!!
It is a great joy for us to see what you have prepared for us !!!
A Voisin! an FBA! You are even stronger than Santa Claus!
My French friends will not contradict me.
I know many who are impatient.
Regards.
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Hello and Welcome ClayMoreGuy !!!
It is a great joy for us to see what you have prepared for us !!!
A Voisin! an FBA! You are even stronger than Santa Claus!
My French friends will not contradict me.
I know many who are impatient.
Regards.
I do love the Voisin! But I already guess that there will be simply no room in the nose to place enough weight to have it standing in the proper way...
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Who cares!
We'll find a way. :) ;)
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Fantastic news for me as 1/48 modeller! The FE8 is a must have for me :)
Kits are intended for experienced (this word may sound as an excuse to make crappy kits) modellers ...
Hmm, let's see if I'm experienced enough ???
Cheers,
Frank
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We do not do it for a living but for pure passion, for having in our collections new models previously unavailable.
That is very admirable and exactly the sort of mindset many of our members will, I'm sure, appreciate. Thank you for the introduction and I'm excited to see Clay More's releases as we begin (hopefully) a more positive and productive year!
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The FE-8 , such a neat airframe .
Only kit I know of in 48 scale is the old vac kit by lone star models
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3618.msg61497#msg61497 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3618.msg61497#msg61497)
So t is great to see one coming the future in this scale
Alexis
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The FE-8 , such a neat airframe .
Only kit I know of in 48 scale is the old vac kit by lone star models
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3618.msg61497#msg61497 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3618.msg61497#msg61497)
So t is great to see one coming the future in this scale
Alexis
You did a masterpiece indeed. I am having issues in getting booms strong enough. I f i respect the scale they become too delicate, need to find a compromise. My dream would be to have it done in brass by CNC machine... But it would be bloody expensive to get them done by third parties.
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I am having issues in getting booms strong enough. I f i respect the scale they become too delicate, need to find a compromise. My dream would be to have it done in brass by CNC machine... But it would be bloody expensive to get them done by third parties.
Would it be a option to get the kit without booms and struts?
I think I will do them anyway myself form wood and metal, as I have it done on my D.H.2 Stripdown here (if you scroll down a bit you will see how I made the booms):
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8552
I replace the struts on nearly all of my models by the original material: wood (as on the D.H.2),
squeezed brass tube,
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1hgjxGG7BfWJO1vAezT3JCQ-DIbaBHGEV)
or tube with wood (as on Fokker D.V).
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=15nGnG5PXkWAGfxnTS0PjBxxfCYXJmmBb)
Cheers,
Frank
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What may be cheaper than brass but some DIY might have to be left to the modeller would be to supply steel rod if it can be found in the right scale. I said 'cheaper' because steel wire or cable can be found in loads of things, I have stripped down scrap Steel Wire Armoured Cable to get the steel out for modelling. Even wire cable is made up of lots of strands of steel wire. To make them perfectly straight is very easy, just fix one end in the chuck of a drill and the other in a vice, spin for a few seconds and it will be perfectly straight.
Hope this helps, Alan.
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A solution for the tail heavy aircraft such as the Voisin would be to first 3D print the forward section of the fuselage and possibly the tires. Use these masters to create silicone rubber molds for resin castings using urethane resin mixed with fine lead granules or lead powder. The finished castings would be safe to handle as the lead would be fully encapsulated in the resin. As an alternative, maybe it is possible to 3D print with a resin/powdered lead mixture.
You could also include weighted aviators if necessary.
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I am having issues in getting booms strong enough. I f i respect the scale they become too delicate, need to find a compromise. My dream would be to have it done in brass by CNC machine... But it would be bloody expensive to get them done by third parties.
Would it be a option to get the kit without booms and struts?
I think I will do them anyway myself form wood and metal, as I have it done on my D.H.2 Stripdown here (if you scroll down a bit you will see how I made the booms):
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=8552
I replace the struts on nearly all of my models by the original material: wood (as on the D.H.2),
squeezed brass tube,
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=1hgjxGG7BfWJO1vAezT3JCQ-DIbaBHGEV)
or tube with wood (as on Fokker D.V).
(http://drive.google.com/uc?export=view&id=15nGnG5PXkWAGfxnTS0PjBxxfCYXJmmBb)
Cheers,
Frank
That's fantastic! Yes, of course you may get them without those parts, at a slightly discounted price, certainly.
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A solution for the tail heavy aircraft such as the Voisin would be to first 3D print the forward section of the fuselage and possibly the tires. Use these masters to create silicone rubber molds for resin castings using urethane resin mixed with fine lead granules or lead powder. The finished castings would be safe to handle as the lead would be fully encapsulated in the resin. As an alternative, maybe it is possible to 3D print with a resin/powdered lead mixture.
You could also include weighted aviators if necessary.
This is interesting indeed, but I think that in case of the Voisin III, which is so unbalanced towards the rear, the wheel and fuselage should be made of all lead to counterweight the tail. That leverage is far too big in my opinion.
I can tell you guys that have realized how the Voisin is the most wished of the upcoming kits....
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The flashback kit has a full bulkhead behind the gunner. There is a large empty space between this bulkhead and the engine mounting plate that is completely sealed. I filled that area with steel balls as all of it sits forward of the rear wheels. If this is not a solution in 1/48th, white metal front wheels might help unless you want to do leave the wheel covers off. White metal figures definitely would help but obstruct viewing of the cockpit details. There's always gluing all four wheels onto a base as a last resort.
Stuart
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FBA first prints. Fuselage and lower wings
(https://i.postimg.cc/wjF6yBZ0/IMG-20220105-174112.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/sgfzrrxS/IMG-20220105-174058.jpg)
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Just wow! Now you've got me thinking about going back to 1/48....
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Oooooooooo
Alexis
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Wow, CMG, you certainly have my attention with that!
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I wonder if the wings and struts are reinforced with wire, as the LukGraph company does in its models.
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Is it possible to print the upper deck of the FBA seaplane as a separate part? Much easier to fill a seam than to detail and paint the cockpit through the small cockpit opening.
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I want a FBA !!! :)
It is true that with the separate deck it would be easier.
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Hello ClayMoreGuy! I just wanted to share a tip about 3D printing I have developed over the years... instead of letting Chitubox (or any other program you use) do his thing about the printing supports (usually a massive labyrinth of thin cylinders) that produce a lot of pin-point defects hard to fill and sand, it's better to include in the 3D model all the supports the machine may need. In particular, it's much easier to add a thin "blade" to the leading edge of the wing(s) and connect it to a much sturdier support. Please check the renders of my 1/144 Rumpler C.I to see what I mean. I also added a thin continuous support under the fuselage, much easier to erase than multiple small defects. Hope it helps and my best wishes about your business! - If I can help about anything related just let me know.
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I have the Caproni coming. Bought it 2 days ago and it'll be started as soon as it arrives here in Australia.
Will post pics.
I'm not worried at all about some of the parts molded together, I'll work it out. Just grateful to have this in 1/48. Claudio has done a great job.
Paul.
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Cleopatra surly felt the same pleasure taking her donkey milk bath than I have reading this post.. It is heaven!
FBA what a dream. You told me you did the italian version an diferences are quite sensible.
Never mind! trasform the kit to a french type is a very exiting challenge
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I wonder if the wings and struts are reinforced with wire, as the LukGraph company does in its models.
They are not
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Hello ClayMoreGuy! I just wanted to share a tip about 3D printing I have developed over the years... instead of letting Chitubox (or any other program you use) do his thing about the printing supports (usually a massive labyrinth of thin cylinders) that produce a lot of pin-point defects hard to fill and sand, it's better to include in the 3D model all the supports the machine may need. In particular, it's much easier to add a thin "blade" to the leading edge of the wing(s) and connect it to a much sturdier support. Please check the renders of my 1/144 Rumpler C.I to see what I mean. I also added a thin continuous support under the fuselage, much easier to erase than multiple small defects. Hope it helps and my best wishes about your business! - If I can help about anything related just let me know.
Thanks so much for this interesting post. I had a deep look at the way you placed your work on supports. Anyway I think that this is nice way to print small scale. With bigger things, 1/48 and so on I think it would be unpracticable. Not to mention the fact that the printer's working space is quite limited. I would have loved to print the Ca.3 wings in a big, long single piece. But it was simply impossible. We are studying how to make big parts too, because or dream is to be able to release in the future large things sch as the Ilya Muromets etc.
I am taking in due consideration all of your thoughts and wishes. Regarding the cockpit accessbility etc. Anyway to me It does not look so hard to paint the interiors.
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Cleopatra surly felt the same pleasure taking her donkey milk bath than I have reading this post.. It is heaven!
FBA what a dream. You told me you did the italian version an diferences are quite sensible.
Never mind! trasform the kit to a french type is a very exiting challenge
Xan, as soon as I have some time I will have a look on how complicated would be to make a french fuselage for the FBA...
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Hello ClayMoreGuy! I just wanted to share a tip about 3D printing I have developed over the years... instead of letting Chitubox (or any other program you use) do his thing about the printing supports (usually a massive labyrinth of thin cylinders) that produce a lot of pin-point defects hard to fill and sand, it's better to include in the 3D model all the supports the machine may need. In particular, it's much easier to add a thin "blade" to the leading edge of the wing(s) and connect it to a much sturdier support. Please check the renders of my 1/144 Rumpler C.I to see what I mean. I also added a thin continuous support under the fuselage, much easier to erase than multiple small defects. Hope it helps and my best wishes about your business! - If I can help about anything related just let me know.
Thanks so much for this interesting post. I had a deep look at the way you placed your work on supports. Anyway I think that this is nice way to print small scale. With bigger things, 1/48 and so on I think it would be unpracticable. Not to mention the fact that the printer's working space is quite limited. I would have loved to print the Ca.3 wings in a big, long single piece. But it was simply impossible. We are studying how to make big parts too, because or dream is to be able to release in the future large things sch as the Ilya Muromets etc.
I am taking in due consideration all of your thoughts and wishes. Regarding the cockpit accessbility etc. Anyway to me It does not look so hard to paint the interiors.
Of course in 1/48 it's not practical to print a whole plane, I did it this way because it's 1/144 and I did not need too much detail. But even for 1/48 or any other scale, it's easier to score with a scapel through a small groove between the long block an the leading edge of the wing than dealing with multiple small dings.
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Xan, as soon as I have some time I will have a look on how complicated would be to make a french fuselage for the FBA...
It would be great ! but anyway Italian fuselage will be good too!
Karaya proposes Hispano suiza 8 engine (to transforme in 150hp)
(https://dersockelshop3.shop-cdn.com/media/image/49/2b/56/E4802.jpg)
And Gaspatch Hotchkiss MG
(https://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-z0fnvjg/images/stencil/1024x1024/products/53/198/13_48028__05098.1373275214.jpg?c=2)
I will do the french rudder with a plotter and wings floats will be scratched
Show must go on!!!!
Xan
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Our friends at Copper State Models provide also a nice kit of the Hispano-Suiza.
https://www.scalemates.com/kits/copper-state-models-e48-014-wwi-aero-engine-hispano-suiza-200-hp-k1026-dolphin--1089778
It was part of my Premium series of the Sopwith Dolphin kit but is also available stand alone.
Cheers,
Frank
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Clay-More Guy - have you given any thought to a Vickers FB.5 "Gunbus" kit? Or a Curtiss Model B/F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtiss_Model_F)?
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Image by Contour Creative Studio
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MMMmmm that's a good choice.