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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Old Man on January 02, 2013, 06:26:38 PM
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This was my entry in the old kits group build, and as you can see I missed the dead-line badly. I had some other projects with entry dead-lines in November and December, but now I have taken this wee beastie up again, and have gotten in some good work over the holidays.
Our Harry is beginning to look something like an aeroplane at last....
The first pictures show the thing before the final primer coat, with wings, scratch-built tail surfaces, and surface detail on the fuselage. The vertical fin is non-standard, but accurate for the subject of the model --- an R.E. 8 at a training establishment in Egypt. Though not pictured, the rudder has been made.
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4023_zps8575b356.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4026_zpsbd5e16be.jpg)
At this point I discovered I had mis-measured, and attached the wings two millimeters too far aft. So I took them off and re-attached them; the next pictures show the thing with the wings in proper position, and under the final coat of Tamiya Fine White primer.
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4029_zpse2c46c70.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4033_zpsd7ecbf78.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4037_zps66ace98e.jpg)
Once in this state I proceeded to basic painting, after a bit of further detailing. The fasteners indication I had put in with a needle point did not come up well, and so I went ahead and added them 'armor style' with bits of .25mm rod.
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4039_zps70d30b8a.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4043_zpsc50bed18.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4047_zpsf9c14b69.jpg)
The vertical fin has been left unpainted as yet, because there may be a tricky bit of marking needing to be put in, and while I have not decided for sure how I would handle it, I expect a blank white surface will be of help.
The air scoop is simply resting there, it is not yet attached. I am going to have to do a little work on it still; the fit and profile are not yet quite right.
Next steps will be to complete interior and exterior fuselage detailing, and decals.
Earlier stages of the build can be found in the GB archive, here:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=484.0
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This kit is waiting on my shelf, so I will be watching.
Adam.
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Great to see this moving again!
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I was wondering when this little gem would resurface - worth the wait, she's looking great!
Ian
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So glad to see you back on this little beauty, OM. She's brilliant. Any chance you can provide us with a link to the earlier bits of the project?
Cheers,
Bud
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Earlier stages of the build can be found in the GB archive, here:
http://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=484.0
;)
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Great work on this old beast!!
Steve
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Coming on great guns!
Great work on an old kit, mate.
Regards
Dave
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How's progress OM?
She was looking good in your last update ;)
Andrew
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How's progress OM?
She was looking good in your last update ;)
Andrew
Should be getting back to this this weekend, Sir, but it may be some time before more pictures can come up. Some decals need printing, which will need much assistance from the wife, and once they are printed out, I like to leave them dry for several days before applying the fixative, a schedule derived from bitter experience....
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OM, she's looking sweet, mate. I sympathise with comment about letting the decals dry before coating them, too. I wait at least three days, now.
Cheers.
Dal.
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What happened to this WIP? Waiting for more inspiration 8) Just made a new propeller for my R.E.8. Best regards.
José
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Well behind schedule, Gentlemen, but here is the present state of play....
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4195_zps4d441f1d.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4203_zps22bc4a9b.jpg)
I do not know what the odd marking on the fin is; enlarging the photograph of the machine, it appears to be lettering in a foreign alphabet, possibly Greek or Arabic. It seems so fitted to the shape of the fin that I do not think it was repeated on the other side. I did my best to duplicate it in pencil on a template taken from the fin piece, and wife converted it into white on red-brown, printed on white Testor's decal film. Once applied, I painted over the color portion of the film.
The interplane struts are scratched, from 2mm x 0.75mm strip. The kit pieces are 28mm long; the drawing indicates 23mm is the proper length.
The upper wing is a hair off-center to port at this point,and the weight of the piece exaggerates its dihedral. I intend to correct both things with attachment of the cabane struts (there is a good deal of flex in the thing at this point).
Here is a picture of the next batch of decals wife has laid out and printed out on white film....
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4208_zps08f47561.jpg)
Those at the top are for a Nieuport Scout that is pretty much complete except for its rudder, the others are for the R.E. 8 C5108. I expect they will be dry enough to spray sealer on this weekend.
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You are moving along quite nicely OM, great work on the scratch built struts, are you also scratch building the cabanes. Congrats to your wife for the excellent job on the decals.
Des.
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Old Man,
Don't worry about being behind schedule my old friend. Afterall perfection doen't have a time table. Outstanding!
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Amazing workmanship and great colours. Looking forward to the next update.
Steve
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Looking wonderful! Your build is inspiring mine, so thank you.
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Thank you very much, Gentlemen.
Here is how things stand now....
I decided to pile straight on in to the cabanes here, rather than put off the tricky bit.
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4216_zpsbc5fd4c7.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4218_zps250063db.jpg)
I decided to pile straight on in to the cabanes, rather than put off the tricky bit. I did the front cabanes first, and getting them to a proper length was a bit fiddly. I took the initial measurement from the model, then added a bit. Once I had things seeming right, I did not wait to paint. With the center section raised up, the dihedral angle comes right for both wings. I then went ahead and did the undercarriage (the kit pieces are not worth salvaging). First I made the cross-piece, then assembled the legs to it. Having the undercarriage on is necessary for the rigging. I am going to go ahead and rig before adding the rudder and the fuselage serial decal --- the rudder attachment will be fragile, and it is best to minimize touching the home-made decals even after they are applied.
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Old Man,
As always Outstanding work my old friend. I realy like the shading of her ribs too . Very much looking forward to your next update.
Highest Regards.
Gregory Jouette
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Nice work - looking forward to the rigging etc
Steve
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Your work is truly outstanding. I wouldn't even begin to tackle something like this, but you are certainly making a silk purse out of this. Looking forward to your rigging technique.
Best
Mark
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Thank you, Gentlemen.
Structural rigging is now pretty much complete: Flight and landing and incidence wires are all in (except for the cabane flights, between the forward cabane struts). Upper (king-post) bracings and drift wires are left, as are control runs.
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4254_zps7a5af0c8.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4258_zps36ca36e1.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4259_zps0bd06349.jpg)
Next step will be wheels and tail skid, and finishing up the engine and exhausts....
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I think the designers had a lot of bracing wire to hand and decided to use it all just for the hell of it - a tricky one to rig!
What are you using? I found it easier to do the king posts as part of the main rigging (in one run) but I drilled and threaded it, it doesn't look as though have used that method....
Ian
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I think the designers had a lot of bracing wire to hand and decided to use it all just for the hell of it - a tricky one to rig!
What are you using? I found it easier to do the king posts as part of the main rigging (in one run) but I drilled and threaded it, it doesn't look as though have used that method....
Ian
It does like redundancy was viewed as a positive good, Sir. At least one does not read complaints they fell apart at a harsh look.
I use EZ-Line elastic, cutting and applying each line individually. I put a tiny bit of CA gel where the end is to go, wet the end with accelerator, and touch it to the glue, holding for a slow five-count. It usually works...
The line only needs to be a very little short to be pulled straight. Cutting the line up to a quarter or a third short can move the structure appreciably, and help (if well calculated) in truing up small mis-alignments. You will see people say the elastic does not add structural strength, but that is not really true. It may not brace up so much as monofilament, but it does make the structure noticeably more rigid. Prior to the rigging, if you picked this up by one wing-tip, you could feel a bit of wobble; with this rigging in, there is none.
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Excellent work, and in 1:72 Scale!? The results you are achieving with a very limited Kit are truly impressive, my compliments and I'm looking forward to seeing this in the Completed Section.
Cheers,
Lance
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That's quite the propeller shaft sticking out of the engine! Seriously, outstanding work to date.
Best
Mark
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Amazing rigging in this scale. Looking forward to the final stages!
Steve
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Old Man,
You never fail to amaze me with your project. Magnificent rigging my old friend.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette
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Hi OM,
checking in again on this little gem's progress :)
Andrew
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She is looking really good Old Man, the colours are great and the rigging, well, what can I say, to rig a model in this scale is a feat on its own, you did a superb job.
Des.
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What a great job on a difficult subject, OM. I really
have to hand it to you. You have shown super modeling
skill, and the results are first-rate! Thanks for sharing
with us.
Cheers,
Ernie :)
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Great work in this old model.
Your rigging it's amazing, specially those double wires!
Nicely done.
Cheers.
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Thank you all very much, my friends. This one is getting closer, now that I finished the 'Bullet' scratch-build and have bench time to devote to other projects. I have got myself into a situation where I have five or six models going at once....
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More progress on this, my friends. Engine works and landing gear complete, and rudder on, tail-skid too...
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4630_zps0320c322.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4633_zps87fd0a9c.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4638_zps3782d769.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4641_zpsfcbf75fd.jpg)
It was possible to use the kit wheels and exhaust stacks, with a little alteration (wheels got some 'facetting' and axle caps and air valve holes, exhausts had the upper portion flattened a bit and opened up, and their lower portion lengthened a little).
The cooling plates on the motor are individually applied bits of quarter millimeter strip 2mm wide and a hair over 3mm long, bent to a curve.
Next step will be control elements (aileron struts, various horns and actuators, and a lot of fine wire...)....
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Sorry but I have not seen this before.
This is an amazing build - truly a silk purse from a sow's ear if ever there was one. I know this kit from personal experience of old and it has potential but it requires a great deal of work and skill - and you have supplied both. The rigging and finish are to the usual outstanding standard that is the hallmark of your modelling - I am very impressed with the home-made markings - usually I paint mine (except serials). Very many congratulations on such a good model - makes me wonder if I should bother to post any more of mine.
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Sorry but I have not seen this before.
This is an amazing build - truly a silk purse from a sow's ear if ever there was one. I know this kit from personal experience of old and it has potential but it requires a great deal of work and skill - and you have supplied both. The rigging and finish are to the usual outstanding standard that is the hallmark of your modelling - I am very impressed with the home-made markings - usually I paint mine (except serials). Very many congratulations on such a good model - makes me wonder if I should bother to post any more of mine.
Thank you, Sir.
All credit for the decals goes to the lady wife, and her skills with making the machine do graphics tricks.
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Nice progress Old man.
Your job around this little fellow it's outstanding. The cowling panels and exaust pipes came out real nice.
I feel a certain nostalgy looking to your model as it was my first ww1 build when a was just a small kid.
Thx for the pics and the memories that they bring to me.
Cheers.
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You are truly the best friend of the really old, rarely missed, and almost forgotten kit.
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Getting pretty near to completion on this: aileron connector struts and aileron actuating wires are on, king-posts are on, control horns are on, and final decaling done....
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4823_zps2467bc4e.jpg)
(http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd447/vieuxhomme/IMG_4827_zps24954e45.jpg)
Tail rigging, including external elevator cable runs, and king-post wires, are most of what remains to be done.
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Hi OM.
Your rigging it's quite amazing and you did some weathering on those decals too.
Nicely done.
Cheers
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It is a remarkable transformation.
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Thank you for the kind words, Gentlemen.
I am looking forward to getting this one done; it has been over a year, and is the oldest save one of the builds I have out on the bench.
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Bloody good work on a dated kit, Old Man -
Look forward to seeing the end result .............
Regards
Dave
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It is a beauty! Certainly one to be proud of!!
RAGIII
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Very nice work Sir! :)
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OM,
Outstanding work my old friend.Looking forward to seeing what's next on this beautiful kite.
Highest Regards,
Gregory Jouette