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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Completed models => Topic started by: RAGIII on November 14, 2021, 08:34:19 AM

Title: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: RAGIII on November 14, 2021, 08:34:19 AM
So I figured Kens build will not go off the completed section for a while therefore waiting to post Mine was pointless.   ;D Built "Mostly" OOB except for the Instrument Dials, Machine guns, Corrected landing gear spreader bar and strut position, and scratch-built seatbelts.   Kit decals for the roundels, Pheon for the 19 squadron dumb bells. and serial painted Thanks von Buckles. B 3479 was the first SPAD XIII delivered to the RFC. It was delivered to depot and tested then went to 19 squadron for a couple of Months. At some point it received a coat of PC 10...No one really seems to know when. It was photographed while serving in 23 squadron in PC 10.

The Build Thread: https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12372.0

RAGIII


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Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: macsporran on November 14, 2021, 10:02:52 AM
Nice one, Rick. It's funny how some planes don't look right in the "wrong" colours, but this one looks very right - in the wrong colours, if you know what I mean!
Excellent model,
Sandy
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: NinetythirdLiberator on November 14, 2021, 04:01:42 PM
Excellent, Rick!  I really think there is something cool about a SPAD in RFC colors.  Not sure why!

Neat job on that one,
Dan
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: Borsos on November 14, 2021, 07:06:56 PM
Great SPAD, Rick! Elegant and speedy from all sides. And PC10 suits her well.
Andreas
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: PrzemoL on November 14, 2021, 07:52:12 PM
Very nice one. Great to see these new Roden kits being actually built. I wish I had a parallel life to accomodate the bench time to mine.
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: Bughunter on November 15, 2021, 12:34:30 AM
Nice that you finished this SPAD!
The SPAD of Ken may have more details, but your has PC10 👍 So no model is pointless!

Good luck with the next projects!

Cheers,
Frank
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: bobs_buckles on November 15, 2021, 12:56:56 AM
Excellent work, Rick  :o
Well done!!

vB  :)
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: DaveB on November 15, 2021, 02:50:16 AM
Rick,

That's beautiful - your Spad XIII is well up tpo your usual high standard of workmanship.

Regards

Dave

Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: jamieg on November 15, 2021, 05:53:14 AM
That turned out very well!
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: coyotemagic on November 15, 2021, 11:11:56 AM
Spectacular result, Amigo!  Something about the SPAD's rigging intimidates me, but seeing this, well...I'm just gonna have to get over it.
Cheers,
Bud
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: gbrivio on November 15, 2021, 07:52:46 PM
Very unusual look for a SPAD, but a unique livery gives extra value to an already excellent model. Well done.
Ciao
Giuseppe
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: lone modeller on November 16, 2021, 05:40:29 AM
As others have commented, it is really different seeing a SPAD in PC10, but I think that it looks very good indeed. Super build log as always, followed by another of your super models.

Stephen.
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: RAGIII on November 17, 2021, 02:57:58 AM
Thanks for all of the comments Guys! The PC 10 does give the SPAD a different look  ;D Again this airframe was indeed doped in PC 10 it is the 19 squadron markings that make it "Speculative" No one knows when it received the PC 10 so I chose to assume it was done while with 19 squadron. If one were to put a triangle and white N on the fuselage it would be quite authentic for 23 squadron  ::)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: Ernie on November 17, 2021, 10:26:58 AM
Beautiful job Rick!  I love the overall look in the PC10 and one highlight
for me is the masterful job of the rigging which is SPAD scary for me! ;D

Cheers,
Ernie :)
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: RAGIII on November 19, 2021, 01:44:29 AM
Beautiful job Rick!  I love the overall look in the PC10 and one highlight
for me is the masterful job of the rigging which is SPAD scary for me! ;D

Cheers,
Ernie :)

Thanks Ernie! The rigging is challenging for sure. Ken has shown us that it is "Possible" to drill holes through the H struts so on MY next one I will try My usual Fishing line method vs Stretched Sprue  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: FAf on November 19, 2021, 07:23:03 AM
Being PC is sometimes regarded as something negative (a notion I strongly disagree with, but I won't go into that here), but being PC10 can surely never be something negative?! 😃

It looks great! Well done!
/Fredrik
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: Rob Hart on November 19, 2021, 12:29:00 PM
Gorgeous SPAD!
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: dr 1 ace on November 20, 2021, 04:20:43 AM
Spectacular result, Amigo!  Something about the SPAD's rigging intimidates me, but seeing this, well...I'm just gonna have to get over it.
Cheers,
Bud


Gotta agree with our Amigo here, Nice job Rick !

Ed
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: KiwiZac on November 20, 2021, 11:29:50 AM
Great job Rick, a fine finish to a build I thoroughly enjoyed following. I'll be doing the in-box RFC scheme on mine and will no doubt be looking to your build thread for guidance.
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: RichieW on November 21, 2021, 12:31:08 AM
Another lovely Spad and a fine addition to your display cabinet! The RAG III modelling machine is rolling along very smoothly. :)

Richie
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: gedmundson on November 25, 2021, 04:05:36 AM
Just catching up here Rick - a very interesting build and very unique. Well done as always!
Cheers,
Gary
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: RAGIII on November 25, 2021, 10:48:35 AM
Being PC is sometimes regarded as something negative (a notion I strongly disagree with, but I won't go into that here), but being PC10 can surely never be something negative?! 😃

It looks great! Well done!
/Fredrik

Thanks Fredrik! Yes PC 10 correct  8)
RAGIII

Spectacular result, Amigo!  Something about the SPAD's rigging intimidates me, but seeing this, well...I'm just gonna have to get over it.
Cheers,
Bud


Gotta agree with our Amigo here, Nice job Rick !

Ed

Thanks Amigo! Looking forward to seeing you get some Modeling done in the New Year!
RAGIII

Great job Rick, a fine finish to a build I thoroughly enjoyed following. I'll be doing the in-box RFC scheme on mine and will no doubt be looking to your build thread for guidance.

Thanks Zac! If you have any questions about the RFC birds feel free to PM Me. There are a couple of things needed to be accurate for the OOB build!
RAGIII

Another lovely Spad and a fine addition to your display cabinet! The RAG III modelling machine is rolling along very smoothly. :)

Richie

Thanks Richie! You are one of those who keep Me going  8)
RAGIII

Just catching up here Rick - a very interesting build and very unique. Well done as always!
Cheers,
Gary

Thanks Gary. Unique but only the squadron markings are not Historically verifiable  8)
RAGIII
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: jeroen_R90S on November 25, 2021, 07:53:51 PM
As I wrote earlier in the build thread, a real inspiration for when I get to mine, together with Ken's!

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Thanks Zac! If you have any questions about the RFC birds feel free to PM Me. There are a couple of things needed to be accurate for the OOB build!

I'd love a tweak-list of sorts, though I'm not sure if I'll do the RFC version when I get to it. I'm tempted by an Italian one, too!
That's also the great thing about SPADs -so many to choose from, especially with a 'late' added to the catalog later on :)

Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: KiwiZac on November 26, 2021, 08:50:40 AM
Thanks Zac! If you have any questions about the RFC birds feel free to PM Me. There are a couple of things needed to be accurate for the OOB build!
I'd love a tweak-list of sorts, though I'm not sure if I'll do the RFC version when I get to it.
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That would be fantastic - I'd like to get it right but will only go "so far" when it comes to extra detailing.
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: Stuart Malone on November 27, 2021, 11:44:40 AM
Rick,

I love the finish on it.  It’s got just the right sheen, IMO.  Very lovely build and it seems it went quite quickly. Congratulations on another fine model.

Stuart
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: RAGIII on November 29, 2021, 01:01:33 AM
As I wrote earlier in the build thread, a real inspiration for when I get to mine, together with Ken's!

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Thanks Zac! If you have any questions about the RFC birds feel free to PM Me. There are a couple of things needed to be accurate for the OOB build!

I'd love a tweak-list of sorts, though I'm not sure if I'll do the RFC version when I get to it. I'm tempted by an Italian one, too!
That's also the great thing about SPADs -so many to choose from, especially with a 'late' added to the catalog later on :)

Thanks Zac! If you have any questions about the RFC birds feel free to PM Me. There are a couple of things needed to be accurate for the OOB build!
I'd love a tweak-list of sorts, though I'm not sure if I'll do the RFC version when I get to it.
That would be fantastic - I'd like to get it right but will only go "so far" when it comes to extra detailing.
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Jeroen and Zac,
First thanks for your comments! I will give a short list here. If there  are other changes I am not aware of them  8)
1. Sand off the photo panel on the left fuselage side ( All early 13s' )
2. Lacing on the left fuselage side. ( A slightly different style than used on the SPAD VII) Surprisingly some of the best photos I have seen of the left side of British SPADs are of the one shot down and Captured by von Tutschek!
3. A small rectangular panel added to the left side below the cockpit near the wing root. This has a half circle cut out and is most likely an added footstep. ( I didn't add this to B3479 as it was the first of the SPAD XIIIs' and I wasn't sure it was added while with 19 squadron.
4. This one is optional
: All of the British SPADs were Kelner built ( with the possible exception of B 3479). I believe the seat back should be higher on Kelner built SPADs ( Revelle got the shape right on their OLD 1/28th scale kit although the padding is suspect)  No one will notice anyway so like I said, Optional!
If their are other changes I am not aware of them. One wonders if they retained the French instruments and seatbelts or replaced them but No way that I know of to tell  ::) I hope this helps!
RAGIII


PS: The double wires on the SPAD captured by von Tutschek do not have wood filling and are not wrapped so that is one less rigging worry  8)


PPS: I found this profile on the net showing the rectangular panel


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Rick,

I love the finish on it.  It’s got just the right sheen, IMO.  Very lovely build and it seems it went quite quickly. Congratulations on another fine model.

Stuart

Thanks Stuart!
RAGIII
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: KiwiZac on November 29, 2021, 02:20:46 PM
Thanks Rick, that list is going to be invaluable when my courage meets my desire to start on my copy!
Title: Re: Roden SPAD XIII "Speculative" 19 Squadron
Post by: WD on January 01, 2022, 05:29:20 AM
Beautiful work as always Rick.

WD