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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: JCWILDE on August 17, 2021, 04:29:51 PM
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Hi everyone,
saw this exciting news today, there's a new model company in NZ releasing soon some 1/32 aircraft by some familiar faces.
www.kotare-models.com
The sleeper has awaken...
Kind regards
Jason
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Thanks for sharing!!
This is brilliant news :o
From the ashes...
Happy days!
Bob
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YES!!!!!
I may be a little naive, but I'm still hoping for the Handley Page O/100 and O/400...
Willem
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It would be nice if this has the blessing of Peter Jackson, meaning he might allow them access to all the intellectual property they created but now owned by Miramar. If not they might find it tough to release WWI subjects that might impinge on his copyright.
Great news and, Fingers Crossed!
Sandy
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Brilliant news!
Can't wait to see what they have planned. :D
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Before anyone gets too excited, I understand this new model company, which draws on some of the former Wingnut Wings team, is not a WW1 aircraft kit business.
Richard Alexander is being deliberately vague about what they are doing, as he was when he ran Wingnuts and when I asked him if there would be WW1 kits coming he replied "We're not confirming or denying anything at this time."
When I asked if there were any hints as to what their first 1/32 kit might be he said "No hints sorry."
I asked Richard when we might expect an announcement and the reply was " All in due course. When we're ready."
So the same old secrecy that applied to Wingnuts.
The rumours are that Kotare Models ( Kotare is the NZ Maori name for the Kingfisher bird) may be re-popped Wingnut kits or even the unfinished Wingnuts Lancaster. I am told neither are correct and Sir Peter Jackson is not involved in this venture.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Thanks for putting our feet back on the ground Dave, we should all be patient and wait what happens I guess.
It's just the there are so much expectations, and we're all hoping that Kotare will be the WNW phoenix, realistic or not.
Willem
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(https://media3.giphy.com/media/McWTxnpVZp6lG/giphy.gif)
:o :o
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It would be nice if this has the blessing of Peter Jackson, meaning he might allow them access to all the intellectual property they created but now owned by Miramar. If not they might find it tough to release WWI subjects that might impinge on his copyright.
Great news and, Fingers Crossed!
Sandy
Really interesting point there!
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Wow amazing news
Appetite whetted!
Well they will have a lot of knowledge and experience from Wingnuts. Whatever they produce from whatever era I’m looking forward to it. Hope they’re less secretive without Sir PJ -although the annual speculation was always fun.
Anyway there were a few kits we were wanting and now maybe they will come out. The question asked above about PJs blessing is interesting. Things change.
Good news day ;D ;) :)!!
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It would be nice if this has the blessing of Peter Jackson, meaning he might allow them access to all the intellectual property they created but now owned by Miramar. If not they might find it tough to release WWI subjects that might impinge on his copyright.
Great news and, Fingers Crossed!
Sandy
And what copyright can you have on a Sopwith Camel (for instance)?
Richard
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Just saw this news over on LSP. AWESOME!!!!!!! Best wishes and I hope all goes well!
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It's always great to see a new company emerge! It remains to be seen if it involves any of the WNW ex-projects - and indeed may not at all! But don't forget that the Kotare crowd have lots of experience in developing projects in China etc.... Lovely to see the South African connection - Darryl Legg is a superb aviation artist - his research and skill is top notch - style will be very different to the previous box tops though! Regards, Marc.
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It would be nice if this has the blessing of Peter Jackson, meaning he might allow them access to all the intellectual property they created but now owned by Miramar. If not they might find it tough to release WWI subjects that might impinge on his copyright.
Great news and, Fingers Crossed!
Sandy
And what copyright can you have on a Sopwith Camel (for instance)?
Richard
Interesting point. If the subject is out there and well mapped. And there can only be finite amount of ways you can put it together in kit form. Plus those designers will all have it stuck in their heads…?
Once again it would be interesting to know what PJ’s take on it is. Is he sensitive and protective of Wingnuts IP? Does he want to share his toys? Does he care? That we will never know.
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It would be nice if this has the blessing of Peter Jackson, meaning he might allow them access to all the intellectual property they created but now owned by Miramar. If not they might find it tough to release WWI subjects that might impinge on his copyright.
Great news and, Fingers Crossed!
Sandy
And what copyright can you have on a Sopwith Camel (for instance)?
Richard
The copyright is not on the Sopwith Camel obviously, it is on the IP associated with the WNW model - the shared info from the Vintage Aviator, the research carried out and paid for by WNW, the CAD/CAM work, the mould design and refinement, etc.
Sandy
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...Richard Alexander must be having a good laugh thinking about all of us trying to identify those three dimples in the top right picture in his page!!! ;)
To me at least it looks like something linen covered, so I still have hopes...
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Hurricane? Barrage balloon? Queen Victoria?
Richard
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Hurricane? Barrage balloon? Queen Victoria?
If it's Queen Vic, her three nipples must have been placed in a very strange place!
Still, Kotare do claim to be extremely well researched.
Sandy
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Nicely lined up, though
Richard
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How about a Stringbag?
News of Kotare has been creating some interesting chatter on various forums. They ( Kotare ) have accomplished what they set out to do if their intent was to create some interest and speculation.
There was a thread on Britmodeller of someone from Wingnut Wings starting up or becoming part of a new company aimed at producing 1/144 models but I have lost track the thread. There are some interesting things happening by the old Wingnut Wings staff it seems.
Ultimately it will be interesting to see what comes of Kotare.
cheers, Graham
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There was a thread on Britmodeller of someone from Wingnut Wings starting up or becoming part of a new company aimed at producing 1/144 models[/quote
Beacon Models perhaps? Nothing WW1 yet, so far only a Spitfire and Messerschmitt.
cheers, Graham
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Modellers are having fun speculating about whatever Kotare Models will produce but don't assume that because it involves several former Wingnut Wings people that we will get Wingnut level fine detail. The detail of whatever they produce will depend on how much the business owner is willing to invest. This new company does not have the bottomless pockets of a Peter Jackson to dip into.
Based on the Wingnuts business model though I'll predict whatever Kotare does will be good quality, aimed at a high end market, priced in US Dollars with postage from NZ charged in US dollars (the exchange rate boosting their profit. At present $US1 equals $NZ 1.45).
There's an assumption Kotare are doing a WW1 aircraft kit which would be great but I'm hearing they are going down the WW2 route (better cash flow for a new business). There is no suggestion Kotare has access to any of the WnW tooling so let's remember these people were the employees of Wingnuts, not the owner (who still controls the intellectual property and ownership rights to the WnW tooling).
No doubt the rumour machine will speculate that Kotare is doing the Lancaster or the Handley Page O/100 and O/400 kits that Wingnuts never finished - this is unlikely but would be welcome if true.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Thanks for the info, Dave. World War II doesn't surprise me at all, a cash cow for sure.
James
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One thought that has been on my mind for a long time is this:
Why hasn't there been a reaction from Peter Jacson himself?
I think there is only one person who has the answers to all of our questions.
Willem
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"Why hasn't there been a reaction from Peter Jacson himself? - Willem"
PJ will have pulled up the drawbridge after the witch hunt in the press regarding tax and govt allowances in 2019 followed by the Vintage Aviator fraud scandal, etc. If I were him I'd keep schtum about everything and anything too as he is just going to get pilloried for anything he says.
Shame for a guy who ploughed millions into giving us the kits he would have liked when he was modelling, followed by all the money and work in the "They shall not grow old" movie. Shame it ended as it did.
(From the above you'll see I think he meant well and the badly-handled shut-down was the work of the bean-counters. Kinda why I hope he might be (privately) supportive of the new Kotare project - especially regarding WNW IP etc. Wonder if Mark Robson and he are chums?)
Sandy
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Cursed bean-counters - stopping businesses trading at a loss!
Richard
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Hi,
He might wish them all the best- and buy some of their kits. Would he be relaxed about the IP….hmm, like you say the drawbridge is up, if it was ever down. I don’t know he’s been burned by fraud and that’s bad. But the killing of WNW was strange and appalling.
And the stock in the NZ warehouse? Interesting times…again :) Go Kotare and any other rising high quality model start ups!
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Cool, a new model company that releases 1:32 model kits. I am quite sure I’ll buy them.
But — what is “WNW”? Can anybody explain? :)
Andreas
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Hey, Andreas! WNW were a somewhat good model making company that did fairly detailed only 1/32 stuff... But their boxes fell apart and then they went bankrupt... just look at my boxes....
(https://i.ibb.co/xCg8vpf/WNW-Boxes.jpg)
Seriously, with some really good researchers and WW1 aircraft experts on this site, we should be able to make something of those clues... My guess is Hansa-Brandenburg D1... Outside shot Hanriot.... Regards to all, and forgive my tongue in cheek comments! Marc
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Thought…I wonder if they go with the CSM type boxing. Go better in the post…
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This will be interesting, can't wait for their unveiling.
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So any guesses to when they might open- a month, 6 months?
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So any guesses to when they might open- a month, 6 months?
I will guess 4 1/2 months.
James
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I seem to remember a company somewhere somewhen that used to release a Christmas Special or two - Just in time for us to panic buy!
Sandy
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Hi Pup7309! I suppose you hope the boxes will be like ICM or Zvezda boxes, with the whole wrap round inner box then the outer lid, important for the art work, of course! We must acknowledge that the vast majority of kits (kitsets to some) are bought to go into a stash (hoard is such a rough word!) and this kind of packaging preserves the boxes and contents the best... Here is an example...
(https://i.ibb.co/DfZNWQQ/ICM-box.jpg)
I do hope the good folk at Kotare are watching....
Regards and Salutations,
Marc
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Hi Pup7309! I suppose you hope the boxes will be like ICM or Zvezda boxes, with the whole wrap round inner box then the outer lid, important for the art work, of course! We must acknowledge that the vast majority of kits (kitsets to some) are bought to go into a stash (hoard is such a rough word!) and this kind of packaging preserves the boxes and contents the best... Here is an example...
(https://i.ibb.co/DfZNWQQ/ICM-box.jpg)
I do hope the good folk at Kotare are watching....
Regards and Salutations,
Marc
Completely agree. No point buying a premium product in US$ with nice artwork that arrives all crushed. And the physics of stockpiling and issues of stash buttressing, of course! :D ;D
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If they were going to do WW1 ‘best sellers’ I’d like to see a new tool SPAD vii, Alb II/III, Hanriot or Sopwith Comic. An Albatross C, Macchi M5, Austrian or AEG 2 seater might be cool if they go down that path. I imagine someone will do a Be a, bc,d sometime? But whatever, time will tell.
PS this is in 32nd mind
48th and 1/72 well that’s another story…
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Folks, I am locking the Kotare Models thread for the meantime until we have some clarification that their mysterious first model kit is a WW1 or related subject and thus of interest to this Forum.
At the moment speculation is high that Kotare, which features several former Wingnut Wings staff, is a return under a new brand of the Wingnut kits or a continuation of the WW1 line Wingnuts were famed for doing. These are only rumours and unconfirmed ones and unfortunately Richard Alexander of Kotare is being vague on details.
I have reached out several times to Richard who will not indicate if their kit is something our Forum should be interested in or even when an announcement might be made.
So until Kotare make a subject announcement, I think the Forum focus should be on those new WW1 and related kits that we know of rather than ongoing rumours and speculation about something that may have no relevance to us.
Dave Wilson
Forum Administrator
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So it's September 15, Battle of Britain Day and Kotare Models has announced that their first 1/32 scale kit will be a Spitfire Mk.1 Late.
It's the first new tool Spitfire Mk 1 in more than 50 years and is due for release later in 2022.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Waiting is over: Spitfire Mk.I in 1:32 expected 2022. Thank you.
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Folks.. feel free to continue the discussion over on the World of Scale Models board with Sandy's thread.
I'm locking this thread now so this board can focus on our particular era of interest.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia.