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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: RAGIII on June 10, 2021, 07:09:17 AM
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I have previously mentioned that I had a "Wild Hair" to do some 1/72nd 2 seaters. Having acquired the Toko and Flashback Strutter I figured I would go ahead and try out My skills! I have been forewarned that the Toko kit is pretty bad so this may end up being just the Flashback kit...or considering How TINY the kits are they may Never reach completion. I will give it My Best!
RAGIII
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(https://i.postimg.cc/Xv6nXRRw/IMG-20210609-152618997.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/HkypYYhY/IMG-20210609-152831613.jpg)
PS: I have actually started a bit of cleaning up and construction. More later.
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Awesome project, always good to move out of your comfort zone. I find it the best way to move forward in any field of endeavour. Will follow this closely.
Richie
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Awesome project, always good to move out of your comfort zone. I find it the best way to move forward in any field of endeavour. Will follow this closely.
Richie
Thanks Richie. I appreciate your encouragement . To show Just HOW small this is compared to what I have been working on for the last 10 or 11 years! That being said, I think the last 1/72nd WW1 aircraft I worked on was probably more like 40+ years ago :o
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLxYTz8M/IMG-20210609-192631847.jpg)
PS: This will be OOB No Frills builds!
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Following along on this one Rick , hoping the smaller scale won't be too much of a challenge . Last 72 scale I build was back in the Aeroscale days ..close to 20 nows and I don't think I would be able to pull it off anymore in the smaller scale .
Alexis
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That's really an interesting challenge to follow...
I suppose I already know the result, but am curious to watch you on a 72 kit!
Antonio
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Great, Rick!
You really are being productive on the model building front recently - good luck on this one.
Regards
Dave
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I wasn't really aware of problems with the Toko Strutters when I built them, but it was a long time ago. The main thing I remember was the need to brace the fuselage halves apart at the top so the top decking would line up, and that the W struts didn't really want to align, a common enough problem with many kits. You don't get the amount of detail that's in the Flashback kit, but then again they cost a lot less too. Decals, though, were always a problem with Toko, and I don't suppose they've improved with age.
Paul.
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Well, this scale will be something different for you.
I'm sure you will do it justice!
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That is a huge difference in size but I'm backing you to pull a rabbit out of the hat here Rick!
I had a look inside my 1/72 KP Sopwith Triplane box last week. I quickly put it all back and had nightmares for days! :)
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It will be very intersting to compare these two kits.
I didn't even know Flashback did a strutter! And the older Toko (Pre Roden) Kits left a bit to be desired if I recall.
Looking forward to following along.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Looking forward to seeing how this one turns out - I built one a while back, the flashback kit is excellent. 1/72 isn't that scary :)
(https://i.imgur.com/wuspbrQ.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/PRZ9cVa.jpg)
Cheers,
BC
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Here's mine, what I consider one of my best WWI builds.
(http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Bittner/French/SopwithStrutter/strt2.jpg)
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Thanks Guys and Dal! I will do My best ::) Brad, Your strutter is gorgeous as always!.
Matt, I wish I could see yours but No photo is visible on either of My Browsers :(
RAGIII
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Truely a "Wild hair" to build something in the noseeum scale. I'm sure you'll do your usual good work.
Ed
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Good to read that you have at last recognised the superiority of God's Own Scale Rick! You will quickly find that it is no more difficult than the over-large scale that you are more used to - less detail because generally it cannot be seen. The other major advantage is that you get more models in the same display space!!
A little gem is in the making here - just keep at it and apply your usual magic and we can then all celebrate your success.
Stephen.
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Truely a "Wild hair" to build something in the noseeum scale. I'm sure you'll do your usual good work.
Ed
I hope so but no promises :o
RAGIII
Good to read that you have at last recognised the superiority of God's Own Scale Rick! You will quickly find that it is no more difficult than the over-large scale that you are more used to - less detail because generally it cannot be seen. The other major advantage is that you get more models in the same display space!!
A little gem is in the making here - just keep at it and apply your usual magic and we can then all celebrate your success.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. I have said elsewhere that doing some 1/72nd 2 seaters would allow me to place them between the 1/32nd scale kits without taking up more display area ;D As for My "Magic", we all know there is No Real Magic....just Smoke and Mirrors 8)
RAGIII
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As Lone Modeler said, it's nice to see you've come to your senses. ;) ;) ;)
Great kit, I've got one stalled on the shelf of doom, but it was my own doing, and nothing to do with the kit.
(BTW, if memory serves, the Flashback kit was produced by Eduard and has nothing to do with Toko, Eastern Express, etc. In fact, the kit does a better job of representing the 1 1/2 Strutter than those kits if only because of the "upsweep" of the fuselage to the tail which is lacking in the Toko/Eastern Express kit.)
I'm pulling for you ol' pard!!!!
WD
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As Lone Modeler said, it's nice to see you've come to your senses. ;) ;) ;)
Great kit, I've got one stalled on the shelf of doom, but it was my own doing, and nothing to do with the kit.
(BTW, if memory serves, the Flashback kit was produced by Eduard and has nothing to do with Toko, Eastern Express, etc. In fact, the kit does a better job of representing the 1 1/2 Strutter than those kits if only because of the "upsweep" of the fuselage to the tail which is lacking in the Toko/Eastern Express kit.)
I'm pulling for you ol' pard!!!!
WD
Thanks Warren. I realized that I had actually worked on a 1/72nd kit a mere 10 or 11 years ago for the Fokker Streaking thread. I dug it out of the box I had stuffed it in after I dropped and broke loose the upper wing and axle wing. I spent a bit of time today putiing it back together so it will join in this build log.
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/3NT0qX2G/IMG-20210612-185542480.jpg)
PS: This shows some of the earlier processes of the build and painting:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3533.0
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Now that was the most sensible move you have made for about 10-11 years Rick! Good to read that the above is being displayed at last - and so it should be IMHO.
Just shows the rest of us what you can do in the One True Scale.
Stephen.
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Now that was the most sensible move you have made for about 10-11 years Rick! Good to read that the above is being displayed at last - and so it should be IMHO.
Just shows the rest of us what you can do in the One True Scale.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen Here is where I am as of today!
RAGIII
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Strutters are moving forward nicely Rick and I see you tossed in another Fokker ....something has to shoot them down I guess ;)
Alexis
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Strutters are moving forward nicely Rick and I see you tossed in another Fokker ....something has to shoot them down I guess ;)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis. I figured it was about time I finished this Little Fokker ;D
RAGIII
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Quick start Rick, the tiny scale doesn't seem to be slowing down the building machine.
We even get a bonus DR1 making a sneak attack on the build. :)
Richie
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Quick start Rick, the tiny scale doesn't seem to be slowing down the building machine.
We even get a bonus DR1 making a sneak attack on the build. :)
Richie
Thanks Richie. Yeah, the Fokker came out of Nowhere 8)
RAGIII
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Oh yes Rick, every one need this Strutter in his (Sopwith) collection!
I curiously look forward to seeing what you make of it!
Some time ago I was nearly bought this kit on ebay! I noticed only Flashback and the nice cover page, and the seller has accidentally put 1/48 in the title, but realized the real scale in last moment! So now I have the Roden kit in my stash ;)
Cheers,
Frank
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Oh yes Rick, every one need this Strutter in his (Sopwith) collection!
I curiously look forward to seeing what you make of it!
Some time ago I was nearly bought this kit on ebay! I noticed only Flashback and the nice cover page, and the seller has accidentally put 1/48 in the title, but realized the real scale in last moment! So now I have the Roden kit in my stash ;)
Cheers,
Frank
Funny thing Frank is that before I gave up on building 1/48th scale I owned both versions of the Roden kit ;D I don't remember if I mentioned this but these 1/72nd scale builds are intended as an OOB, FUN experience! You will not see any frills, bells, or whistles 8)
RAGIII
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So both Strutters have had the fuselages closed up, filled, sanded, and sprayed with a Tamiya beige to see what still needs to be done. So far building these OOB I am really liking the Toko kit for external details and the Flashback kit for internal details. Of course I haven't hit the crucial wing mounting stage yet!
RAGIII
Toko on the left in all photos:
(https://i.postimg.cc/CKtrH0m6/IMG-20210617-180604460.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/jjCk72Q7/IMG-20210617-180650623.jpg)
Toko:
(https://i.postimg.cc/kMSzsVrN/IMG-20210617-180614741.jpg)
Flashback:
(https://i.postimg.cc/GhJN0ZmH/IMG-20210617-180617986.jpg)
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Pushing forward nicely Rick . :)
Alexis
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Certainly making good progress with both Rick. Is the Dr 1 there ready to shoot them down when they are finished?
Stephen.
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One of those would look awesome with floats Rick ! ;)
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3631.0 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3631.0)
Stephen , that is way the Fokker is there for ;)
Alexis
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Pushing forward nicely Rick . :)
Alexis
Thanks for commenting Alexis!
RAGIII
Certainly making good progress with both Rick. Is the Dr 1 there ready to shoot them down when they are finished?
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. Hopefully their will be No Aerial Combat after completion....if they get to that point ;D
RAGIII
One of those would look awesome with floats Rick ! ;)
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3631.0 (https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=3631.0)
Stephen , that is way the Fokker is there for ;)
Alexis
That is very cool but I think I will stay away from complicating these builds 8)
RAGIII
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Good work Rick! Smoke and mirrors may be what you say, but it still comes together as if by magic... even in this scale.
/Fredrik
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Good work Rick, I see they've managed to out turn the Focker and get on his tail. Is this how the age of the monoplane started? ;)
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Good work Rick! Smoke and mirrors may be what you say, but it still comes together as if by magic... even in this scale.
/Fredrik
Thanks Fredrik!
RAGIII
Good work Rick, I see they've managed to out turn the Focker and get on his tail. Is this how the age of the monoplane started? ;)
Thanks Richie. A little progress today. I painted the upper surfaces using Drooling Bulldog PC 10 ( Yellow). I really like the drying qualities and smoothness of this paint! Too bad it didn't work out to be a viable business :(
RAGIII
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(https://i.postimg.cc/nrfkbpzP/IMG-20210619-165246893.jpg)
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Looking really good Rick!
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Looking good Rick :)
Alexis
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Looking great Rick! I too was sorely disappointed that Drooling Bulldog didn't last as he sure had some colors I wanted pretty badly.
WD
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Looking really good Rick!
Thanks Brad! They won't be one of your Masterpieces but I am having fun so far ;D They really are quite basic OOB builds.
RAGIII
Looking good Rick :)
Alexis
Thanks Alexis!
RAGIII
Looking great Rick! I too was sorely disappointed that Drooling Bulldog didn't last as he sure had some colors I wanted pretty badly.
WD
Thanks Warren. I have Truly gained a new respect for those that seriously Model in 1/72nd 8) I will need to try and PM Ondra and see if His friend still does limited special orders for Drooling Bulldog.
RAGIII
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Looking very, very good Rick. Love that PC10 colour, it looks absolutely spot on to me.
Richie
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Nice PC10 two seater! Not only the color shade, also the surface of the wings looks nice.
One of the bigger Sopwith aircraft?
Cheers,
Frank
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Nice PC10 two seater! Not only the color shade, also the surface of the wings looks nice.
One of the bigger Sopwith aircraft?
Cheers,
Frank
Thanks Frank. I have decided that these will be My only "Wild Hair" venture into 1/72nd. They are just too small. Trying to add and finish the details on the DR1 pointed this out in a Huge way! That being siad, Years later I am finally finished with the DR1:
RAGIII
(https://i.postimg.cc/ydMtv4Xn/IMG-20210621-172618176.jpg)
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Fast progress, here Rick!
Starting to come together nicely.
Regards
Dave
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The paint certainly looks the correct shade Rick. A real shame that you will not continue to build in the True Scale though.
Stephen.
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Such neat work, Rick! Good looking Dr.1! You are making 1/72 look easy, but I have to confess that after picking up an old 1/72 half completed kit recently, I know why I abandoned it! Regards, Marc
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Great looking Triplane!
/Fredrik
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Fast progress, here Rick!
Starting to come together nicely.
Regards
Dave
Thanks Dave!
RAGIII
The paint certainly looks the correct shade Rick. A real shame that you will not continue to build in the True Scale though.
Stephen.
Thanks Stephen. Perhaps I was too quick to say "I won't" build anymore 1/72nd....it may be a while though ::)
RAGIII
Such neat work, Rick! Good looking Dr.1! You are making 1/72 look easy, but I have to confess that after picking up an old 1/72 half completed kit recently, I know why I abandoned it! Regards, Marc
Thanks Marc but really Not So Easy for sure! Flashback gave the modeler a really nice PE part for the MG Butt. I was Amazed that I got it Folded perfectly! Then I lost it :(
RAGIII
Great looking Triplane!
/Fredrik
RAGIII
Thanks Fredrik!
RAGIII
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Great work Rick. Are there a lot of differences between the kits? I can see the shape of the horizontal stabiliser is different but the rest looks quite similar.
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Really a great work. Sometimes I wish I would still be able to find motivation for the small scale models. And watching your progress in precisely one of those moments... Keep it coming, please :-)
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I don't get on this forum frequently, but if interested, you can see the full build of my Strutter here:
http://www.internetmodeler.com/1999/may/aviation/strutter.htm (http://www.internetmodeler.com/1999/may/aviation/strutter.htm)
And 1/72 is still the best scale. ;)
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I'm impressed by the simple fact that you have decided to revisit the one true scale Rick! Never mind that you won't do it again, we will forgive you your heresy! The simple fact is, that there is nothing smaller on a 1:72 kit than the detail you would add to a 1:32 kit, so cut out the detail and save space! ;)
Ian
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The Strutter is coming along nicely Rick.
This is a nuance of PC10 you don't see often on a model.
Willem
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Thanks to all for the encouragement, it is certainly helpful! Matt, thanks for the link to your IM build. It has given me some ideas, especially in mounting the lower wings which I Totally failed on. I tried several types of glue and the wings just drooped and fell off! In the box awaiting My next attempt, perhaps this coming week 8)
RAGIII
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Thanks to all for the encouragement, it is certainly helpful! Matt, thanks for the link to your IM build. It has given me some ideas, especially in mounting the lower wings which I Totally failed at on. I tried several types of glue and the wings just drooped and fell off! In the box awaiting My next attempt, perhaps this coming week 8)
RAGIII
My problem with this kit is ensuring I get the angle right on the lower wings.
It vexes me!
WD
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Thanks to all for the encouragement, it is certainly helpful! Matt, thanks for the link to your IM build. It has given me some ideas, especially in mounting the lower wings which I Totally failed on. I tried several types of glue and the wings just drooped and fell off! In the box awaiting My next attempt, perhaps this coming week 8)
RAGIII
Let's hope that you have better luck and more success next time Rick.
Stephen.
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Great job on both planes!
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Great job on both planes!
Thanks. These two will most likely be sidelined for a bit as I am finally expecting the arrival of the Roden SPAD XIII any day now :(
RAGIII
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Nice work. Is OOB 1/72 more relaxing on the one hand because not adding all the miniscule details isn't part of the plan but on the other hand more challenging just getting those parts that ARE there together?
Steve