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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => What's New => Topic started by: Dave W on May 15, 2021, 07:58:57 AM
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Found on Proper Plane's Facebook page, here are the first images of the sprues for the new Roden 1/32 Spad XIII.
(https://i.postimg.cc/mD6BLqNk/spad-xiii-box-art.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/zfPkJwGh/186470633-1191930027936776-259294886652635375-n.jpg)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/0NrpH60y/185810472-1191930331270079-3300689634507540479-n.jpg)
The Spad is reportedly due to be shipped next week.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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At last!
Looks to be a typical Roden product - dimensionally OK, provided with all you need, a good base for adding aftermarket parts if you want to
I like those instruments - I'm surprised more manufacturers don't go that way
Where's my credit card...
Richard
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Thanks for sharing these images, Dave. I agree, it looks like a typical Roden product. The fuselage is split into many elements, certainly some filler/sand paper action will be necessary. Also, if one expected WNW style strut pins he will be disappointed. Yet, as for me, it seems like a promising kit. I have preordered one a couple of days ago and I will surely not be disappointed!
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Thanks David! I see a lot of things I like, for instance No exaggerated rib tapes that would be so wrong on a SPAD. ( JMHO). Reference the strut attachments, at least it looks like the cabanes have a more positive location than on the SPAD VII. This will make the wing attachment much easier as long as those line up. I will refrain from further comment pending MY review.
RAGIII
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That Hispano Suiza engine sprue looks familiar. Nothing new there
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Further to Eric's post, the engine in the new Spad kit seems to be the frame parts of the Spad VIIc kit engine issued back in 2008. I've compared the image with a Roden Spad VII kit here and it's the same engine.
The other frames appear to be new toolings though.
Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Regarding the Hispano Suiza Engine. I see in the image with the fuselage parts a part that appears to be the crank case and oil pan of a Hispano engine. Does this mean a new modified engine case and oil pan has been molded that replaces the old part so as to allow for the engine to fit inside the cowl, unlike the Roden Spad VII?
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I think we have to be glad that Roden continues to bring out these WWI kits after the demise of Wingnut Wings...
I'm hoping for a couple of B.E.'s, F.E.'s, R.E.'s and the occasional H.P. ;) In 1/32 of course.
Willem
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I'm sure it will sell just fine. With WNW apparently out of the picture there is no big competition to worry over.
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Looks great to me... certainly nothing that can't be fixed with minor effort.... Thanks, Roden!
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Looks great to me... certainly nothing that can't be fixed with minor effort.... Thanks, Roden!
I agree completely. I am really looking forward to building this one!
RAGIII
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Looks great to me... certainly nothing that can't be fixed with minor effort.... Thanks, Roden!
I agree completely. I am really looking forward to building this one!
RAGIII
Me too actually!!
Regards
Dave
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Me three!
In regards attachment points- I can’t really see any - prob wrong but aren’t this the upper and lower out-facing wings?
Good news it’s a new tool!
:D
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I will wait to see how this pans out and see if someone does some juicy decals. Maybe Print Scale?
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Me three!
In regards attachment points- I can’t really see any - prob wrong but aren’t this the upper and lower out-facing wings?
Good news it’s a new tool!
:D
Yes, those are the outward facing sides of the wings. It is the interplane struts themselves that "appear" to be pretty much the same type of attachments. That being said I would repeat that it looks as though the cabane struts have a more positive location arrangement compared to the SPAD VII so that will be helpful. The more I look at the limited sprue shots we have the more excited I am about building this one ;D
RAGIII
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Someone in the Ukraine is advertising the new Roden Spad for sale on Ebay, so we have borrowed their photos which give a clearer idea of the parts of the new kit.
(https://i.postimg.cc/9XJVgkx1/s-l1600-9.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NfntBHvH/s-l1600-7.jpg)
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Dave Wilson
Gold Coast
Australia
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Once again thanks for sharing Dave! These are much better views for sure. My impression from viewing is that overall the molds and details are much more crisp than on the SPAD VII. The seat looks great although I would love to see it from the other side of the sprue. It "appears" that they give the covered and uncovered piping from top wing to fuselage. Again just an impression from the photos and we will know more once someone gets the kit in their hands I am sure! I Hope this one sells a ton because I really want to see the Avro and Strutter, Not to mention the Late SPAD XIII variant 8)
RAGIII
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Once again thanks for sharing Dave! (...) I Hope this one sells a ton because I really want to see the Avro and Strutter, Not to mention the Late SPAD XIII variant 8)
RAGIII
Same thanks to Dave and same hope, here!
Richard
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Thanks for posting Dave.
Those look very promising, and I agree – the casts look crisper than previous offerings from Roden.
Clever way of solving the different wing tips. However, from expereince, these types of but-joins can be a bit tricky if the surfaces aren't completely "flat" (guessing there are no locating pins?). I think there may be a hint of flash on the tailfin as well?
I'll get one for sure!
/Mikael
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The kit is already available in Poland, for instance here:
https://www.martola.com.pl/en308/produkty92988/spad_xiii_c_1_early
I will have it in a couple of days. ;)
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The kit is already available in Poland, for instance here:
https://www.martola.com.pl/en308/produkty92988/spad_xiii_c_1_early
I will have it in a couple of days. ;)
If you don't mind when you get the kit take some shots of the opposite sides of the sprues so we can see the fuselage framework and the seat from a different angle.
RAGIII
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The kit is already available in Poland, for instance here:
https://www.martola.com.pl/en308/produkty92988/spad_xiii_c_1_early
I will have it in a couple of days. ;)
If you don't mind when you get the kit take some shots of the opposite sides of the sprues so we can see the fuselage framework and the seat from a different angle.
RAGIII
Sure I will :)
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I don't think the separate wing tips and ailerons will be a problem at all, a few swipes of the craft knife and sandpaper will make that join just fine - but the breakdown of parts is quite clever - not only are the early and late wingtips possible, but the "pocket extensions" too, as seen in this diagram: (not sure where it comes from...) posted here for research purposes, and I will remove if necessary...
(https://iili.io/BwCT2S.jpg)
Looking forward to this kit...
Regards,
Marc
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Thanks Dave for providing the Sprue shots and updated comment. Thanks too to the others for their input regarding this kit. It looks to be a real winner for Roden. A good choice to be sure of a long awaited kit. The detail looks much crisper and better defined than what we have seen on previous Roden WWI kits. I am looking forward to it's release here in the States.
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I don't think the separate wing tips and ailerons will be a problem at all, a few swipes of the craft knife and sandpaper will make that join just fine - but the breakdown of parts is quite clever - not only are the early and late wingtips possible, but the "pocket extensions" too, as seen in this diagram: (not sure where it comes from...) posted here for research purposes, and I will remove if necessary...
(https://iili.io/BwCT2S.jpg)
Looking forward to this kit...
Regards,
Marc
Marc,
Toms Model Works actually did those pocket extensions in PE at one time. They don't seem to be available anymore :'(
RAGIII
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You're right, Rick, would be quite suitable for PE parts and the rivet detail would pop! ATB, Marc
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My Spad has just arrived.
What I like:
fine detail on wheels, exhausts, Vickers guns, enhanced HS engine blocks (the other engine parts are on the old sprue known from Spad7), fittings on wings surfaces, not bad vent louvres, colourful sheet with colour schemes.
What I do not like
not perfect transparent part, luckily the windscreen used in this model is the best of 4 present in the sprue
also some nasty ejector pin traces inside the fuselage, massive rigging stations on the struts, probably to be replaced with eyelets or AM PE elements.
The strut mounting holes are not very sharp. They will require some work with a drill. Not very deep either. But if they are as in recent Stearman then with H intermediate struts assembly should not be a problem.
The butt joint between the wing tips and the wins body will definitely require some filling as the edges are not sharp. But it seems the elements depth is about the same, so no serious problem should arise here, imho.
More to tell will be possible when I start building it but I will go for it in some months, there is a queue to my modeling desk.
All in all a very promising kit, I am looking forward to build it.
If you wish for other photos, I will be glad to take more.
(https://i.ibb.co/b39V55w/20210521-163502.jpg)
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And for those eager to see the assembly sequence - here are the shots of the instruction
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And few more shots.
After cleaning the H-strut pins from some flash and a bit of drilling I was able to stand the strut in the wing holes, but it was not very stable, it fell just after the photo was taken
(https://i.ibb.co/S5s0fwY/20210521-192333.jpg)
This is what was best I could without serious sanding do to the wing tip joint
(https://i.ibb.co/3rg1TjW/20210521-192257.jpg)
(https://i.ibb.co/Np763Zz/20210521-192315.jpg)
The main fault for this gap is a clear shift between the mould halves
(https://i.ibb.co/CzD8p59/20210521-192240.jpg)
but even if it is sanded down the groove will remain as the edges are not sharp.
Still, a session with filler will care for it, certainly. I have seen much worse cases! What is most important - the thickness and the chord of the elements is identical!
The said shifts between the mould halves may render some parts useless, especially those with circular cross-sections:
(https://i.ibb.co/H40pmQL/20210521-192745.jpg)
If you decide to open the engine these pipes will be better replaced with wire.
At the end, let me stress once more - I am extremely happy to see this new release. Roden quality IS IMPROVED, but, as with everything, it can still be enhanced :-)
I am definitely going to have fun with this build and will welcome more new releases from our friends in Ukraine.
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Thank You for the further detailed photos of the sprues. I look forward to being able to do the in depth review(when the kit arrives in the States). Overall My Impression is very good. More at a later date of course. I will have to move this one to the top of the build list when I get the kit!
RAGIII
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Looking forward to future reviews and builds :D
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Very nice, I liked. Some work to do, keeps the machine oiled. ;)
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Anyone know if the color references to Vallejo are new for this kit or has Roden been doing it for a while? The Spad XIII is the first 1/32 Roden kit I've purchased, but I think all the 1/72 kits were referenced to Humbrol.
Stuart
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Anyone know if the color references to Vallejo are new for this kit or has Roden been doing it for a while? The Spad XIII is the first 1/32 Roden kit I've purchased, but I think all the 1/72 kits were referenced to Humbrol.
Stuart
I have not seen it in any previous WW1 releases which makes sense as Vallejo wasn't here when they last issued a WW1 kit. I can not speak for other era more recent kits. That being said I like the Vallejo references as I have easy access to those paints.
RAGIII
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Thanks for the pictures, I have mine on pre-order as well. :)
I do wonder about these lines/textures, next to the rib indents, are those meant as fabric representations or just irregularities?
(https://i.ibb.co/GvTdZ1G/20210521-154958.jpg)
After battling Revell Corsairs with separate wingtips I'm not a fan of those, but if the dimensions match and it's a matter of some careful sanding and filling (Milliput comes to mind) I think I can live with them. After all, more than a few Wingnut kits have separate wing parts as well?
As for the colours; they went from Humbrol to Model Master to Vallejo. I have the Cessna O-1 and O-2 and they both have Vallejo callouts, while the SPAD VII (USAS Boxing with Paul Baer SPA80 on top) has Model Master.
BTW, other than the engine, the clear parts look suspiciously like those from the SPAD VII as well?
Does anyone know if the roundels are the same for the XIII and VII, or are they different sizes?
Can't wait to get mine, now to find some time to actually build something... :-S
Jeroen
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Thanks for the pictures, I have mine on pre-order as well. :)
I do wonder about these lines/textures, next to the rib indents, are those meant as fabric representations or just irregularities?
(https://i.ibb.co/GvTdZ1G/20210521-154958.jpg)
After battling Revell Corsairs with separate wingtips I'm not a fan of those, but if the dimensions match and it's a matter of some careful sanding and filling (Milliput comes to mind) I think I can live with them. After all, more than a few Wingnut kits have separate wing parts as well?
As for the colours; they went from Humbrol to Model Master to Vallejo. I have the Cessna O-1 and O-2 and they both have Vallejo callouts, while the SPAD VII (USAS Boxing with Paul Baer SPA80 on top) has Model Master.
BTW, other than the engine, the clear parts look suspiciously like those from the SPAD VII as well?
Jeroen
It is hard to say for sure about those linen textures, they seem to be just the discontinuity of the injection material and not the surface faults but it would require a layer of primer to make sure. It may be necessary to deal with them with some sanding paper. BTW, I remember the faults of this type on rudder in WNW Gotha G.I - they appeared only after primer. Some care will be required here, no doubt about it.
Separate wing tips have indeed matching dimensions, I do not foresee any serious problems here.
Humbrol to Vallejo transition is indeed the recent feature of Roden kit. Stearman colours have the Vallejo reference, too.
And the clear sprue indeed is identical to that in Spad7 - just checked the sprue photos in their website. Not the highest quality, too, but at least the part used for Spad 13 has the best transparency and smallest deformation.
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Hi all,
I've not ordered this kit and probably won't, as I previously built a heavily modified Hobby Craft SPAD XIII.
I have to say, judging by the photographs here, I'm not overly impressed with the quality of the kit Moulds.
There seems to be surface imperfection on the lower right main plane and what appear to be distortions at the sprue gates.
The wing tips parts also seem to have mould marks.
Not great for a new moulded kit.
Just saying :D
Mike
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Thanks, PrezemoL :)
So my suspicions regarding the clear parts seemed to be correct.
[speculation mode on]
Big assumption on my part, but since the SPAD VII had the XIII part gated off, it could be assumed that Roden planned a XIII all along and this may have made it possible to get it out so quickly?
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It does look like a typical Roden model that requires some extra effort; however, around here I was never able to source a Hobbycraft XIII so it's a good alternative.
I'm getting one anyway, as I don't have a XIII and am glad there is one available now :)
Jeroen
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They certainly did get it out quickly! ;)
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Thanks, PrezemoL :)
So my suspicions regarding the clear parts seemed to be correct.
[speculation mode on]
Big assumption on my part, but since the SPAD VII had the XIII part gated off, it could be assumed that Roden planned a XIII all along and this may have made it possible to get it out so quickly?
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It does look like a typical Roden model that requires some extra effort; however, around here I was never able to source a Hobbycraft XIII so it's a good alternative.
I'm getting one anyway, as I don't have a XIII and am glad there is one available now :)
Jeroen
I still don't have the kit but I will say that from what I see ,this kit , detail wise, is far and away better than the Hobby Craft kit. Probably 80 t0 90 percent of what Mike Norris had to scratch build is here in this kit! I wasn't going to mention My "Speculation" abut this being a revived project but it does seem possible! There are still a lot of things I intend to mention when I actually have this kit in hand!
RAGIII
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Does anyone know if the roundels are the same for the XIII and VII, or are they different sizes?
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The upper wing Spad XIII roundels are approximately 48 mm diameter, while those of the Spad VII are approximately 42 mm, reflecting the difference in wing chord. Personally, I’d rather have the Late squared wing tips, if only for the increase in markings possibilities :)
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Modified. Google has the answer
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I suspect that many of the Part Poland PE would work here. Though a S XIII set would be preferred.
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I have heard through the grape vine that the decals are translucent. Is this true? As the grass grows I will never buy this kit because I have enough Roden kits. This is me being diplomatic by the way,
Happy modelling
Loopy
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I read a review of the kit and the author mentioned his decals were very nice. I figured I got both of mine in a bad run as you can see the color of the backing paper through them. I made a mental note to keep an eye on the usual suspects most likely to produce an aftermarket sheet. But now, thinking back to when they sent me a missing part to a kit many years ago, I'll send them an email with pictures and inquire about them.
Stuart
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I have heard through the grape vine that the decals are translucent. Is this true? As the grass grows I will never buy this kit because I have enough Roden kits. This is me being diplomatic by the way,
Happy modelling
Loopy
I read a review of the kit and the author mentioned his decals were very nice. I figured I got both of mine in a bad run as you can see the color of the backing paper through them. I made a mental note to keep an eye on the usual suspects most likely to produce an aftermarket sheet. But now, thinking back to when they sent me a missing part to a kit many years ago, I'll send them an email with pictures and inquire about them.
Stuart
We have two reviews and two builds in progress here on the Forum. Attaching a link to one of the reviews:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12454.0
and one of the builds:
https://forum.ww1aircraftmodels.com/index.php?topic=12387.0
RAGIII