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WW1 Aircraft Modeling => Under Construction => Topic started by: Gisbod on March 14, 2021, 12:07:11 AM
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Hello all :)
After my latest build hit the rocks (a slightly worrying trend developing ??? ), I put it back in its box for another day (maybe), I wanted to get something I could finish!
I was looking at an easy Tamiya build, but bought this on impulse. Excellent value for an Eduard Profipack - £14, and of course, you get PE & masks. Most importantly, it’s only got one wing! And as my Achille’s heel seems to be adding top wings, what could possibly go wrong?!
So here’s what you get in the box:
(https://i.postimg.cc/bYs485Dp/18-C49685-018-B-4705-B430-70192-C43-E5-D0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/SjbgfDfv)
A nice PE fret:
(https://i.postimg.cc/DfHHzcLs/A96-A1540-C468-4170-A856-F81-A8139-F019.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NL8pJmNf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/NMVXcS3K/C9158-F09-5-DCB-4-B1-A-ABB1-3-B0-AA6000-D86.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLTb5YQ3)
Think I’m going for this one:
(https://i.postimg.cc/G9nsBYhr/0017-BAFA-E92-C-4552-94-C7-B88143-C07-C54.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4Hw3qY9F)
Nice picture of an RFC Morane:
(https://i.postimg.cc/qqH3qYLg/8538959-F-0-A7-A-4-AC0-B12-B-FA958-F2-C9-DE5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hzMj32Nq)
Which gives me a couple of questions:
The propeller looks very dark & solid in colour?
What colour would have been the MS manufacturers plate?
Thanks,
Guy
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Guy,
Good luck with this build. I always enjoy seeing this aircraft being done and the
great opportunities for weathering.
Kevin
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Following on this one !
Yes the prop is a very dark brown . They were slacked ;) The MS name plate is brass ;)
Alexis
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I am looking forward to this one as always Guy!
RAGIII
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Guy,
French props were generally stained a very dark brown as Alexis states, usually the laminated effect didn't show through the stain. I know the MS logo was brass symbols and I believe the base or background was black enamel. (Logo details according to a telephone chat with Des years ago ........)
Hope this is helpful.
Cheers,
Lance
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Thanks!
That’s useful re the prop - and saves me masking!
Black background and brass lettering sounds logical. Although the photo makes it look like it should be a lighter colour, but I guess that might be the photography effects of the old film?
Done a bit on the cockpit, it’s a sweet little kit with decent enough detail in this scale - the PE fret really helps here.
(https://i.postimg.cc/Kz4TCxHX/19-F210-A8-83-D3-46-B3-B444-1-E85-ACBD9-E95.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/62JTvJKz)
(https://i.postimg.cc/SRMMNV4D/C09072-FC-F04-B-479-D-A449-A10-A46-E953-C1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4HXdW6m9)
Guy
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That is excellent interior work Guy! You don't waste any time on your builds for sure!
RAGIII
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Nice job so far.
I recently picked this kit up as well. It’s a very pretty little machine. Looking forward to seeing how you tackle all the clear doped linen.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Nice project Guy, I will follow!
It is a nice little kit, which was only available 2004 as Profipack and normal kit. There was no re-edition until this year! So it was very hard to find it for me, at first I found the normal, later the Profipack. I have build both and converted one to type I on skies.
It is a nice kit, I had only trouble with the inner V on the undercarriage. I replaced the inner struts and the "3 pipes" axles with real pipes.
And I find the tailplane mounting with the thin plastic axle not robust enough for transportation, so I replaced it with metal. See my build reports for details.
Have fun,
Frank
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Thanks Hugh, Rick and Frank :)
Frank, I did think you must have built this so looked for your build but couldn’t find it initially, but I have now. A goldmine, albeit a bit beyond my skill set :o
It does seem very fragile in places. So I probably will have to beef up certain areas. I’d really like to build the whole thing then paint - but think this will be too fiddly, although I might, at least, fix the undercarriage before painting. Just less messy but with the very real danger of it breaking off in my club fists at a later date...
I’ve completed the engine with no extra detail added. It’s largely hidden behind the ‘casserole’ spinner. That’s my excuse anyway :P
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLFBYvKh/6-B0-EC6-A6-736-C-4965-9-BD3-29-A9-E4-C52825.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/NKnKQ2P3)
(https://i.postimg.cc/9fLTxr1t/A7-F7-BCDD-9789-49-D9-9-E48-D6-CB060-EEB66.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mcFtkZvt)
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That is some really nice work in the pit Guy and the engine looks pretty nifty as well . :)
Alexis
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Your painting of the engine i terrific! Pit and engine look Great in their proper location!
RAGIII
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Thanks Alexis & Rick,
Although I gave some thought to adding the undercarriage pre painting - I came to my senses and just constructed the frame work without gluing to the fuselage, so hopefully will be a drop fit once painted...
(https://i.postimg.cc/vZf6VxMq/8041482-E-39-EB-4179-9-EA6-5-E756-AFF5-C2-E.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XrNJMJrd)
I did think about adding brass tubing like Frank, but the kit parts were ok - good enough for me at least!
Guy
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Looks good so far! And again a impressive speed :o
If I remember right, the legs are sitting too wide according to the drawing, so I moved them together. May be that was the reason, that the middle V is then to short.
Cheers,
Frank
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They just about touch Frank, but there is a PE piece to add which should make it about right I think.
I too, like you broke the ‘V’ but managed to repair it ::)
Guy
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The gear looks fine to MY eye 8) I appreciate the speed of your build...Makes Me envious ;D
RAGIII
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Looking good. The complete fuselage (Including cowl) being in two halves didn't present any problems?
Plastic on the fuse look very thick though...
Cheers,
Hugh
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I'm beginning to think that you don't sleep at all !
Alexis
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Thanks Rick ;)
Looking good. The complete fuselage (Including cowl) being in two halves didn't present any problems?
Plastic on the fuse look very thick though...
Cheers,
Hugh
Hi Hugh, it is thick but didn’t cause any issues - it doesn’t show. And no problems going together.
Alexis, I do sleep occasionally, but tbh, I’m not spending long on this, there’s not a huge amount to the kit...
Although I have started painting! Just primer on with a bit of pre shading.
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/L8KNn6XH/3-DB22299-B8-AC-42-E2-9-A8-C-39960-C0-FFB14.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tYkhcbWf)
(https://i.postimg.cc/CxGJDTBb/A0-BA84-A3-4080-46-C1-9871-37-D466-B0920-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wd4MLy74)
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The pre shading looks good. It should give excellent results after the main color is applied!
RAGIII
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Plastic on the fuse look very thick though...
Hugh, it may look thick, because the bird is really really small! One my think it is 1/72.
Cheers,
Frank
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Looks really great, Guy!
Makes one want to build one too, but then again so do almost all builds on the forum right now... In an hour or so there will be a letter on its way.
/F
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Coming together well.
Carry on!
vB :)
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Looks like you're on a roll, Guy ....looks great!
Cheers,
Gary
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Nice start and fast build. I built one of these from the old issue, it's a nice kit and can make a really good model.
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Where did this appear from. Are you related to Rick? I miss a couple of days and there is a near completed model...... The seat belts and cockpit details look good - and the engine is super. I have my fingers crossed that this one will reach the finish line without undue problems, and at the rate you are moving that will not be long.
Stephen.
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Thanks all! ;)
I’m praying I get this one finished too Stephen, otherwise it’s back to knitting or crochet :P
Bit of masking and paint on:
(https://i.postimg.cc/tgh5my7C/EF7-F6-CDE-20-D0-4-D5-D-9-F36-FDD2-EEA141-BE.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9LzpwDg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/ZqkHc0bM/B86-FB0-FD-D65-E-40-FF-B216-EF60512180-C0.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/dhBGQsT2)
Guy
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Nice effect on the wings Guy 8)
Alexis
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Excellent paint work Guy! I like the effect!
RAGIII
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Thanks, but... (my builds always seem to have a ‘but’ ??? )
It was all looking dandy, then I got to a point where it started to look a bit dog eared - I can’t really figure out why, but anyway, I suddenly decided I needed to respray the whole thing, which I did. I prefer the new look, but I’ve done an awful lot of masking for such a small aircraft!
Not sure about the oil splatter effect, but I think the real ones looked a lot worse!
The wings don’t have massive attachment points, what would your preference be for type of glue here?
Just waiting on my letter from Fredrik for the insignia...
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/brXtHZfw/496274-DC-8-DFE-4-AF0-818-F-155-FE68-E88-E6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/S2rRmNKB)
(https://i.postimg.cc/hjQmd9wY/9432-C3-DB-8-E63-41-C5-A40-F-F2-F05-A73-ED8-A.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qh0gfCpc)
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Well, even Better! The finish on the red cowling is beautiful! I think the spattering looks great!
RAGIII
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Thumbs up!
Andreas
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W.O.W!!!!
:o
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Love the colour, and the shading. The red is lovely.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Great paint job Guy!
The wings don’t have massive attachment points, what would your preference be for type of glue here?
Oh, that is a tricky point of the kit!
I glued it with CA, but IT WILL NOT HOLD THE WINGS !!!
The wing attachment point are "only" a reference point to hold it in position, the forces, e.g. against the gravity need to come out of the rigging. So I rigged it with strong fishing line and not with my usual "rubber" line. And I strongly recommend to do the wing mount and some rigging (to upper and lower pylon) in one session.
I don't want to scare you, but a friend has had this plane painted but not assembled on the shelf for years because of this very issue.
Cheers,
Frank
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Beautifully painted!
Ciao
Giuseppe
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Ah thanks chaps :D
Great paint job Guy!
The wings don’t have massive attachment points, what would your preference be for type of glue here?
Oh, that is a tricky point of the kit!
I glued it with CA, but IT WILL NOT HOLD THE WINGS !!!
The wing attachment point are "only" a reference point to hold it in position, the forces, e.g. against the gravity need to come out of the rigging. So I rigged it with strong fishing line and not with my usual "rubber" line. And I strongly recommend to do the wing mount and some rigging (to upper and lower pylon) in one session.
I don't want to scare you, but a friend has had this plane painted but not assembled on the shelf for years because of this very issue.
Cheers,
Frank
Now you tell me Frank! It’s meant to be a confidence builder after my Sopwith crashed & burned! I might try and epoxy them combining it with rigging...
Thanks
Guy
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The letter is in the mail... could be with you any time now.
Apart from that I'm with the others. It looks better now! I'm also with Frank on the need for structural rigging. I haven't built this, but I had the same issue with my Fokker E.II.
/FAf
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Hi Guy ,
Well I must say , awesome job on the paint !
For the rigging , on the wings for the locations drill holes , but not all the way through glue in wire hoops . On the king post glue a line much longer then needed . Center it on the king post with super glue . slip one end throught the wire hoop adjusting the tension as needed . fix with super glue . Re-beat this for all the rigging lines for the top before doing the bottom rigging lines . Tension as need ;)
Alexis
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Thanks Alexis,
I’ll have an experiment, but I can’t go any further until I get the masks, didn’t arrive today with the post, hopefully tomorrow!
I started a 1/72 Gloster Gladiator yesterday, and a 1/72 Eduard Spitfire MkIX arrived yesterday, oh and so did my Thunderbolt PE and Montex Masks!* I’m in very real danger of having too much on the go and not finishing anything at this rate!
Guy
*Fredrik - I’ve got these as they come with nose art decals....
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That is really looking nice, Guy. Fabulous look to the paintwork! I know what you mean about having too much on the go, but it's great to have a real passion for the hobby like that and still finish some projects (a rarity I find with many modellers that I know).
Cheers,
Gary
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I started a 1/72 Gloster Gladiator yesterday, and a 1/72 Eduard Spitfire MkIX arrived yesterday, oh and so did my the Thunderbolt PE and Montex Masks!*
*Fredrik - I’ve got these as they come with nose art decals....
Ahh... Guy, we never said we'd be exclusive... 😉
I've got the that same Spit on the go. Mine is almost finished, but I suppose you still will beat me to the finish line.
I still can't believe you've got mail service on Saturdays! That ended a long time ago in Sweden. I might actually never have experienced it myself. But good for you and hopefully the masks will be there tomorrow.
/Fredrik
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Thanks Gary & Fredrik,
The Swedish Postal Service came through today ;D and I managed to sneak some time to use them. All went according to plan, just putting off the wings going on!
I have some Gaspatch turnbuckles on their way too, so I think I’ll have to wait for that if I go down the route of rigging the wings in place ???
Guy
(https://i.postimg.cc/66MC0T36/25-AC6358-B716-4205-8928-C166-F5721-FEB.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5jFH94LD)
(https://i.postimg.cc/8P3W23Mq/7-C640800-D02-D-4-F0-B-A318-B38-C33-CF3492.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2VQVv0Hw)
(https://i.postimg.cc/X7XdD3Gf/6-E9-C5382-1355-4-EAA-A564-A2-ABF996662-D.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHw4HWjt)
(https://i.postimg.cc/fyqXTqFS/A861-CFD3-2-C63-4146-8549-3032-CF9168-E3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p58ysCPP)
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She looks awesome with the markings in place ! Excellent job on spraying them , very nice clean work !
Alexis
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Guy,
I must apologize as I believe I may have given you some bad info. You had asked about the Morane Saulnier logo as displayed on the engine cowling of many of their aircraft. I had said brass on a black background which is true on a black cowling only apparently! I've been through all the refs I have and dug out the decals I was gifted by Des, they are brass design with a clear background. In the references the background is shown as red on red cowlings and so on and the photos , although black and white, appear to support the cowling color as the background for the MS Design.
The "N" is looking very nice, it's going to be a real beauty when complete. Hope this isn't too late and again, my apologies!
Cheers,
Lance
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Beautiful Masking there!
Who did you say cut those for you?
I'm having hells own time trying to get a precision circle cutter that will cut a small enough circle for RFC roundels in 1/32 let alone 1/48.
Cheers,
Hugh
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Really looking amazing! Lovely work on the roundels!
RAGIII
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Beautiful Masking there!
Who did you say cut those for you?
I'm having hells own time trying to get a precision circle cutter that will cut a small enough circle for RFC roundels in 1/32 let alone 1/48.
Cheers,
Hugh
Hi Hugh!
I am Guy's mask maker. I'll send you a PM later today if you're interested.
Guy: Great job with everything, but especially the serial and the red stripe!
Cheers Fredrik
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Those marking really do look super Guy. Let's hope that you do not have problems fixing the wings on this one as this has the potential to be a winner.
Stephen.
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Thanks chaps,
Just a quick non-update update. I ordered the turnbuckles from Gaspatch, they duly arrived, but I got the wrong ones! Anchor points - I guess the clue was in the name! But they’re depicted as double ended.. anyway, I’ve now ordered the type C ones which I hope are right!
I will get back to this when I get them.
Guy
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Hey , I'm not the only one who orders the wrong items ....don't feel so alone now :o
Alexis
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...or the wrong size....
A while back I bought 4 sheets 0.5 x 140 x 100 mm styrene sheet. Or so I thought.
I was delivered in a big tube. Turned out to be 0.5 x 1400 x 1000 mm sheets. Paid only € 32.00 for it though.
If i live long enough I can build my hp v/1500 from it and 3 Zeppelin Staakens.....
Willem
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...or the wrong size....
A while back I bought 4 sheets 0.5 x 140 x 100 mm styrene sheet. Or so I thought.
I was delivered in a big tube. Turned out to be 0.5 x 1400 x 1000 mm sheets. Paid only € 32.00 for it though.
If i live long enough I can build my hp v/1500 from it an 3 Zeppelin Staakens.....
Willem
;D ;D
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...or the wrong size....
A while back I bought 4 sheets 0.5 x 140 x 100 mm styrene sheet. Or so I thought.
I was delivered in a big tube. Turned out to be 0.5 x 1400 x 1000 mm sheets. Paid only € 32.00 for it though.
If i live long enough I can build my hp v/1500 from it an 3 Zeppelin Staakens.....
Willem
;D ;D
....and add me to the list...!
Stephen.